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20111017 01:13:58< fendrin> Does the engine already support sounds played during unit movement like horse jog trot for example?
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20111017 06:47:40< CIA-64> alarantalara * r51517 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: Improve appearance of grass-dirt transitions
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20111017 07:47:40< zookeeper> fendrin, yes
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20111017 09:19:06< fendrin> zookeeper: tx
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20111017 09:25:31< fendrin> zookeeper: The sound should be 150ms long, the time a unit needs to move through a hex field?
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20111017 09:34:11< zookeeper> fendrin, no, i'm very much of the opinion that it should be a single sound played on every separate move
20111017 09:34:27< zookeeper> so they could be about 1-2 seconds long each
20111017 09:36:09< fendrin> I see. 
20111017 09:36:20< zookeeper> so for a foot unit, it'd typically be like 2-4 footsteps
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20111017 09:47:12< fendrin> zookeeper: I am answering to http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=35229. 
20111017 09:47:46< zookeeper> great
20111017 09:48:17< zookeeper> i have a little stash of a couple of WIP sounds, but never committed since they're not a complete set
20111017 09:48:51< fendrin> The new horse riding animations just cry for a sound.
20111017 09:50:20< zookeeper> yeah, but something better and softer than the current gallop sound, which _was_ once wired in as a horse movement sound.
20111017 09:53:08< zookeeper> oh, and btw i'm not opposed to using per-hex movement sounds for units which make steps (as opposed to flying or something), but we'd need to be able to limit that to "every other hex" or "every hex except for every third hex" and so on. which is kinda doable already, but would AFAICT be too messy.
20111017 09:53:38< fendrin> Yes, the sound needs to be unobtrusive or it will drive the players crazy.
20111017 09:54:13< zookeeper> a foot unit _could_ make a sound for a single step on every other hex (so that'd be about 3 steps per second), but not on every hex
20111017 09:54:29< zookeeper> ...because no one wants to hear 6 steps per second
20111017 09:55:47< fendrin> Agreed.
20111017 09:56:12< enchilado> Wouldn't it sound better to loop the steps until the unit stopped moving?
20111017 09:56:28< enchilado> If you don't me intruding :P
20111017 09:56:38< enchilado> if you do... sorry :(
20111017 09:57:09< zookeeper> sure, looping would work too, but it'd require the game being able to read looppoints from the sound file
20111017 09:57:19< zookeeper> since otherwise the gallop loop would stop very abruptly
20111017 09:57:35< zookeeper> well, of course it could fadeout too, but... urgh
20111017 09:58:44< enchilado> I suppose it would be a bit messy to use three sound files, with the middle one looping
20111017 09:59:46< zookeeper> probably, yeah
20111017 10:01:47< zookeeper> anyway, the only reason why i think single-step sounds would be nice is that then you'd have feedback on the terrain the unit traversed; for example, if you'd move through grass to water to grass to castle, you'd hear a regular step, a splash, a regular step and a step on stone
20111017 10:03:03< zookeeper> but it's entirely possible that it could end up sounding too chaotic even if there's only ~5 or so step variations (regular, stone, water, snow, sand?)
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20111017 10:27:15< Ivanovic> moin
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20111017 14:53:51< Gambit> wesbot: seen cjhopman?
20111017 14:53:52< wesbot> Gambit: The person with the nick cjhopman last spoke 24d 6h ago.  7d 6h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
20111017 14:54:22< Gambit> Last spoke a month ago...
20111017 14:54:27< Gambit> Well that's unnerving.
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20111017 14:55:48< Gambit> Rhonda: wesbot should tell you the channel they last spoke in.
20111017 14:55:53< Gambit> (For purposes of log checking.)
20111017 14:56:23< Rhonda> The seen code isn't by me.
20111017 14:56:32< Rhonda> …
20111017 14:56:36 * Rhonda nibbles on Gambit
20111017 14:56:47< Rhonda> "was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message:"
20111017 14:56:47< Gambit> Okay.
20111017 14:57:03< Rhonda> There is a channel here?
20111017 14:57:18< Rhonda> Or are you actually suggesting to do a s/here/#wesnoth-dev/?
20111017 14:57:21< Gambit> "The person with the nick cjhopman last spoke 24d 6h ago." <-- that part
20111017 14:57:35< Gambit> Though it was here and I found it.
20111017 14:58:00< Rhonda> It doesn't make sense to expand here, that should be obvious to "decypher" :)
20111017 14:58:56< Gambit> That's not what I'm asking.
20111017 14:59:46< Rhonda> It somehow sounded like that.
20111017 14:59:49< Gambit> The "last spoke" is different from their quit message in that it has a specific channel.
20111017 14:59:55< Rhonda> Then I don't know what you're asking. :)
20111017 15:00:54< Rhonda> I think it only speaks about last spoke for the current channel anyway.
20111017 15:01:08< Rhonda> Gambit: ask for seen of me in #wesnoth for a test.
20111017 15:02:12< Gambit> Like "The person with the nick Foobar last spoke 4h ago in #wesnoth-dev. 2h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message: Remote host closed the connection." 
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20111017 18:28:39< Johannes13> hey, some idea for ui improvement: when you move your mouse over the movement points, it shows you the movement costs
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20111017 19:21:17< CIA-64> anonymissimus * r51518 /trunk/src/ (game_events.cpp game_events.hpp): 
20111017 19:21:17< CIA-64> rewrite game_events::add_events
20111017 19:21:17< CIA-64> to optionally filter by event id whether to add an event
20111017 19:21:24< CIA-64> anonymissimus * r51519 /trunk/src/ (unit.cpp unit.hpp): 
20111017 19:21:24< CIA-64> reintroduce support for [unit][event]s (fix for bug #16259)
20111017 19:21:24< CIA-64> Such events are required a non-empty id=.
20111017 19:21:40< CIA-64> anonymissimus * r51520 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: use empty() instead of comparing with an empty string
20111017 19:21:58< CIA-64> anonymissimus * r51521 /trunk/src/ (unit.cpp unit.hpp): 
20111017 19:21:58< CIA-64> remove unit::set_game_context
20111017 19:21:58< CIA-64> since it's no longer the only place where game context is set
20111017 19:22:16< CIA-64> anonymissimus * r51522 /trunk/changelog: changelog update
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20111017 19:42:58< anonymissimus> wesbot: topic
20111017 19:42:59-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 198 bugs, 334 feature requests, 16 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20111017 19:46:35< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug 16820
20111017 19:46:36< wesbot> Bug #16820  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20111017 19:46:36< wesbot> Summary: [kill] with fire_event=yes doesn't trigger end of scenario
20111017 19:46:36< wesbot> Original submission: When a player side's leader is [kill]ed with fire_event=y
20111017 19:46:39< wesbot> es, the scenario doesn't end even though it would have if an enemy unit had kill
20111017 19:46:42< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?16820
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20111017 20:44:49< anonymissimus> tschmitz, gabba: I believe there is currently quite some overhead with teh whiteboard
20111017 20:45:32< anonymissimus> run wesnoth with --log-debug=all, there's a lot of such messages: 20111017 20:44:06 { BEGIN: Restoring regular unit map.
20111017 20:45:34< anonymissimus> 20111017 20:44:06 } END: Restoring regular unit map. (took 0ms)
20111017 20:46:13< anonymissimus> it is quite noticable in the MSVC debugger when I call wml_actions.kill() for instance
20111017 20:47:07< tschmitz> anonymissimus: Yeah ... it applies and un-applies the players' planned actions very frequently
20111017 20:48:33< anonymissimus> "quite noticable" means it lasts 20 secs or so, I didnt see this until now
20111017 20:49:04< anonymissimus> just calling [kill] for all units on the map and the recall list
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20111017 20:55:40< mordante> servus
20111017 20:57:14< mordante> anonymissimus, good to know you can reproduce the issue with valgrind
20111017 20:57:43< anonymissimus> tschmitz: although most of the time is spent somewhere between the whiteboard messages...and in teh test scenario it's muhc faster...well need to find out whats causing it...
20111017 21:06:10< mordante> anonymissimus, regarding r51518, I don't know the code too well, but is it safe to change it like that
20111017 21:06:31< mordante> you change what a parameter means, but don't change the signature of the function
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20111017 21:19:20< anonymissimus> mordante: I dont change the meaning of the parameter
20111017 21:21:20< anonymissimus> when I change some function I of course make sure that it works for all callers the way they expect it to
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20111017 21:22:00< mordante> ok, when reading the commit message it also implies something has been changed
20111017 21:23:08< anonymissimus> i strain to forsee all possible cases, if not I get a report assigned xD
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20111017 21:40:45< mordante> I'm off night
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20111017 22:12:08< CIA-64> shadowmaster * r51523 /trunk/data/advanced_preferences.cfg: 
20111017 22:12:09< CIA-64> Some label style changes in Advanced Preferences
20111017 22:12:09< CIA-64> * Rewrote the Local ToD Lighting option tooltip and label
20111017 22:12:09< CIA-64> * Removed stops at the end of tooltips (see http://wiki.wesnoth.org/UI_Style_Guide#Tooltips)
20111017 22:18:56< CIA-64> shadowmaster * r51524 /trunk/src/game_preferences_display.cpp: Use Title Case wherever appropriate in Preferences
20111017 22:19:14< CIA-64> shadowmaster * r51525 /trunk/data/advanced_preferences.cfg: Use Title Case wherever appropriate in Advanced Preferences
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20111017 22:22:54< shadowmaster> Espreon: compare http://wiki.wesnoth.org/UI_Style_Guide#Checkboxes and http://developer.gnome.org/hig-book/3.2/design-text-labels.html.en#layout-capitalization
20111017 22:23:28< shadowmaster> where did the idea of using title case in checkbox labels in Wesnoth come from then?
20111017 22:40:43< Espreon> No idea.
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20111017 22:59:59< CIA-64> shadowmaster * r51526 /trunk/data/advanced_preferences.cfg: Missing capitalization bit
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20111017 23:35:24< CIA-64> ivanovic * r51527 /trunk/ (530 files in 28 dirs): 
20111017 23:35:24< CIA-64> pot-update
20111017 23:35:24< CIA-64> regenerated doc files
20111017 23:38:53< Espreon> Huzzah.
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20111017 23:57:07< CIA-64> espreon * r51528 /trunk/po/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Updated the British English translation.
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