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20111022 00:02:07< AI0867> is BeOS still supported?
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20111022 00:05:26< Espreon> I doubt the packager's still active.
20111022 00:05:50< Espreon> I'd maybe support Haiku, though.
20111022 00:07:08< AI0867> or AmigaOS?
20111022 00:07:21< AI0867> I'm finding all sorts of #ifdefs in filesystem.cpp
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20111022 00:09:16< Alarantalara> mordante: yes, I haven't updated Pango yet, and I don't know if it will  fix the problem anyway
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20111022 00:14:24< Espreon> AI0867: Meh, just keep them for the lulz.
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20111022 00:19:30< AI0867> Espreon: if it'll all get rewritten in boost.filesystem, that's not really an option
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20111022 00:27:36< Espreon> AI0867: Good point.
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20111022 00:47:13< CIA-64> alarantalara * r51571 /trunk/data/core/help.cfg: Make help match feral defense: from http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=35299
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20111022 00:59:43< anonymissimus> Alarantalara: could you pls reproduing bug #17362 
20111022 00:59:57< CIA-64> beetlenaut * r51572 /trunk/data/campaigns/Dead_Water/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Changed the bonuses on the second scenario. Now, you get a loyal unit for killing any enemy leader (instead of only side 2).
20111022 01:00:20< anonymissimus> if you havent built yet since r51540 you can just use cour current binary
20111022 01:00:57< anonymissimus> to see whether it crashes, compile, and check again; it's at scenario start and savegame provided
20111022 01:01:23< anonymissimus> since r51539 actually
20111022 01:01:23< Alarantalara> sure, just a minute while I fix some more errors in reported defense values
20111022 01:01:34< Alarantalara> I actualy just rebuilt
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20111022 01:05:02< CIA-64> alarantalara * r51573 /trunk/data/core/units/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Make defense values reported in unit help reflect end result of required feral trait
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20111022 01:08:46< Alarantalara> Anonymissimus: I experience no crash if I let all AI sides spend one turn recruiting. As that appears to include the crash originally, I would guess it works
20111022 01:09:32< anonymissimus> Alarantalara: the original problem must have been before the human player gets its turn actually
20111022 01:09:46< anonymissimus> so in the code until the start event
20111022 01:09:50< anonymissimus> including
20111022 01:10:17< Alarantalara> Really? How to reproduce says: Load the scenario start and just end your turn. 
20111022 01:10:29< anonymissimus> ok thx, marking as fixed then
20111022 01:11:10< Alarantalara> the no scout error in the console still appears, so that may be worth investigating for fixing
20111022 01:12:27< anonymissimus> Alarantalara: ah yes you're right, it's a side 4 turn refresh event
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20111022 01:42:55< CIA-64> iwontbecreative * r51574 /trunk/utils/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Strip trailing whitespaces. Some other changes to make code look more pythonish. No important changes.
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20111022 01:46:44< anonymissimus> wesbot: topic
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20111022 01:49:39< anonymissimus> btw can someone confirm that this is actually a bug: bug #18829 
20111022 01:50:06< anonymissimus> I dont know whats the supposed behavior since I never knew differently
20111022 01:50:08< Espreon> wesbot: bug 18829
20111022 01:50:09< wesbot> Bug #18829  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20111022 01:50:09< wesbot> Summary: ai sides show up as "controller=network" on remote clients
20111022 01:50:09< wesbot> Original submission: In a mp game on the server with 2 human players and 1 ai,
20111022 01:50:12< wesbot>  for player 1's (human, host) BfW instance:side[1].controller -> "human"side
20111022 01:50:15< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?18829
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20111022 01:50:54< anonymissimus> but usually when I think something's a bug it really is so I reported everything I can think of now :)
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20111022 01:56:19< Gambit> anonymissimus: no that's intentional :<
20111022 01:56:40< anonymissimus> sure ? how do you know ?
20111022 01:57:19< Gambit> I don't for certain. But when I was getting help making [chat] that behavior was explained to me
20111022 01:57:21< anonymissimus> but IIRC Crab and silene were talking about something that one doesnt know whether some side is an ai or not
20111022 01:58:14< Gambit> If you're fixing it, be careful. I'm not sure how much relies on it.
20111022 01:58:16< anonymissimus> Gambit: and you know, if some wrong behavior is already wrong for a long time people tend to think that's the standard :|
20111022 01:58:18< Gambit> [chat] does unless that's been changed
20111022 01:59:02< anonymissimus> i don't think I fix it, no, that must be either in teh ai or the mp or server areas
20111022 01:59:17< Gambit> I think anything with code to only display for certain sides uses that.
20111022 01:59:26< Gambit> So the host gets anything meant for AI
20111022 01:59:34< Gambit> And everyone else only gets stuff meant for sides they control.
20111022 01:59:37< anonymissimus> need to ask crab about it
20111022 02:00:09< anonymissimus> Gambit: at least it would be a useful feature for mp authors, since currently it can't be detected which sides are ai
20111022 02:00:21< anonymissimus> since this detection would cause OOS
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20111022 02:08:27< anonymissimus> ah hi Crab_ 
20111022 02:09:11< anonymissimus> cna you please confirm whether bug #18829 is a bug
20111022 02:09:25< anonymissimus> I seem to recall you and silene talking about it
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20111022 02:17:38< CIA-64> iwontbecreative * r51575 /trunk/data/tools/ (5 files): Strip trailing whitespaces.?\194?\160Some other changes to make code look more pythonish. No important changes.
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20111022 02:31:40< Crab_> hi
20111022 02:33:12< Crab_> anonymissimus: looks like a minor bug to me.
20111022 02:33:29< Crab_> with the solution of 'either drop NETWORK_AI or make it work'
20111022 02:34:03< anonymissimus> ok thx
20111022 02:34:51< anonymissimus> and another question, do you have a good easy idea to have a lua version of the "scoped_wml_variables"
20111022 02:35:48< anonymissimus> the problem is that if a wml_error is thrown, an already set variables doesn't get cleared and the possible original value restored, since in lua we don't have destructors
20111022 02:36:24< anonymissimus> this is for this_unit variables in lua implemented tags and such
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20111022 02:55:39< Crab_> I don't know. cleaning up on error is possible, by extending the lua error handler that we have
20111022 02:56:02< Crab_> but it won't be 'scoped' as in c++.. just cleaning up is certainly possible.
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20111022 02:57:33< anonymissimus> um no, i dont want any c++ modifications for this
20111022 03:02:09< anonymissimus> Crab_: i suggested to elvish_hunter modify helper.wml_error like this http://pastebin.com/8Ad3eZ3F so that wml_tags calling it can pass a function which is called by helper.wml_error to make any cleanups neccessary
20111022 03:02:45< anonymissimus> since error() throws and that is only caught by our luaW_pcall
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20111022 03:03:46< Crab_> then you'd also need to modify some base helpers/tags to accept this argument
20111022 03:04:05< Crab_> in fact, it becomes a part of 'execution context', (which is true, it is a part of the execution context)
20111022 03:04:36< Crab_> I mean that 'error' modifies the state of the lua sandbox, throwing a c++ exception that propagates (in a slightly buggy way) upstream
20111022 03:04:53< anonymissimus> no modifications needed, why ?
20111022 03:05:13< anonymissimus> code that doesnt need a cleanup passes no function
20111022 03:05:22< Crab_> no, different set of modifications
20111022 03:05:48< Crab_> imagine that A calls helper.wml_error.  imagine that A has no scoped variables.
20111022 03:06:01< Crab_> but, A is called from B, and B has variables that we'd like to make scoped
20111022 03:06:25< Crab_> so, there's no cleanup in A, but A would still need to pass B's cleanup() to helper.wml_error
20111022 03:06:41< Crab_> c++ does that when stack is being unwinded
20111022 03:07:05< Crab_> if you want to simulate this with a function, you'd have to inject it in each and every function call as an additional parameter
20111022 03:07:09< Crab_> not pretty
20111022 03:07:37< anonymissimus> ok, i think i got it...
20111022 03:07:39< Crab_> unless you want to limit the feature to core wml tags or other stuff which calls helper.wml_error that is.
20111022 03:07:49< Crab_> so, I would suggest making something 'global' instead
20111022 03:08:05< Crab_> i.e., like helper.add_onerror_callback
20111022 03:09:02< Crab_> and then modify error() to actually execute the callback stack (taking care to do something reasonable if wml_error is called from on_error callback stack execution
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20111022 03:09:29< Crab_> then, all interested user would call .add_onerror_callback, and .delete_onerror_callback
20111022 03:09:44< Crab_> in fact, you'll be simulating scopes with function calls
20111022 03:09:50< Crab_> because you'd need a .remove_callback as well
20111022 03:10:27< anonymissimus> ok I'm getting a headache
20111022 03:10:30< Crab_> so, when c++ has {}, lua would have .register_error_callback instead of { , and .remove_error_callback instead of }
20111022 03:10:59< Crab_> basically, you need to mark up your 'scopes' with 2 lua function calls that would register the 'destructors' to be called when error() throws.
20111022 03:11:06< Crab_> 1 for register, 1 for unregister
20111022 03:11:26< Crab_> that way, even user code would be able to set/unset those
20111022 03:12:24< anonymissimus> I dont think I understand it, we need some simpler solution (hopefully)
20111022 03:13:52< Crab_> ok, I'll try once more:    you were thinking of       helper.wml_error(..., callback);
20111022 03:14:22< Crab_> I propose, instead:      add_callback(callback)        helper.wml_error(...)   remove_callback(callback);
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20111022 03:18:58< Crab_> the problem with the former that if we have nested function calls, we'd need to modify all the calls in between - like   A would have B(..., callback),  B would have C(..., callback),  C would have D(callback), .....  Z would have helper.wml_error(callback)
20111022 03:19:29< Crab_> while with add_callback(callback)   B(...)    remove_callback(callback) would not require all the intermediate functions to be modified.
20111022 03:20:16< CIA-64> alarantalara * r51576 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/cave/ (12 files): Make cave bank match cave floor more closely
20111022 03:23:59< anonymissimus> these would be wesnoth.add_callback and wesnoth.remove_callback functions then; if an error occured, wesnoth calls all stacked callback functions, if not, all stcaked callback functions are deleted ?
20111022 03:25:36< anonymissimus> wesnoth.add_callback could take a string and a function, remove_callback only a string
20111022 03:26:50< CIA-64> alarantalara * r51577 /trunk/data/core/ (25 files in 2 dirs): Rename cave bank tiles to something more reasonable
20111022 03:27:21< Crab_> alternatively, you can make add_callback return a handle
20111022 03:27:32< Crab_> which would be passed to remove_callback
20111022 03:27:55< Crab_> that way, there'll be no need for unique strings
20111022 03:28:08< Crab_> just make it return a 'next integer' or something
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20111022 03:31:43< Crab_> and define the behavior if error happens during execution of those callbacks )
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20111022 03:37:24< beetlenaut> Hey all. I like the idea of AMLA XP equalling 50*unit_level instead of always 150. I'm willing to make the changes in the unit files this weekend if nobody is likely to object. (short discussion: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=21063&p=294715#p294715)
20111022 03:38:02< beetlenaut> Is there somone specific I should ask?
20111022 03:44:52< anonymissimus> Crab_: ok thx, thats going to be a thorough coding task for me...
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20111022 03:45:15< anonymissimus> dont feel like doing it pre 1.10
20111022 03:45:55< anonymissimus> i'll suggest using default values instead of throwing errors to elvish_hunter then
20111022 03:48:23< anonymissimus> off, bue
20111022 03:48:27< anonymissimus> bye
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20111022 08:04:01< zookeeper> beetlenaut, sounds good to me. the only objection i can think of is that it might make it too easy for units capped at lvl1 to AMLA... which would be goblins and monster units.
20111022 08:04:44< zookeeper> soulless too
20111022 08:05:02< zookeeper> 100xp for units capped at lvl2 sounds all good, but i do wonder a bit about those lvl1's.
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20111022 10:06:40< beetlenaut> zookeeper: I would be happy to see the AI or my multiplayer opponent feeding kills to an unadvanceable level-1 unit, because it would mean I'm not going to face as many level-2's! We're still talking about six kills here, which seems unlikely in a single scenario.
20111022 10:07:17< beetlenaut> In a campaign, the player *could* AMLA a soulless, goblin, or merman brawler a time or two, and that would be a new tactical choice.
20111022 10:10:05< zookeeper> yeah, it might not be a problem at all.
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20111022 10:12:47< beetlenaut> But...what about campaign-specific units? Should I leave that up to the maintainers?
20111022 10:14:28< beetlenaut> Or should they match the core?
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20111022 10:25:27< zookeeper> beetlenaut, it's probably ok if you do them as well
20111022 10:26:31< zookeeper> ask the maintainer if some particular unit looks special enough that someone might want it to be an exception to the rule
20111022 10:27:10< zookeeper> like the dust devil or something
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20111022 10:35:59< beetlenaut> OK. Thanks.
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20111022 11:25:50< CIA-64> beetlenaut * r51578 /trunk/data/ (52 files in 25 dirs): Units that cannot advance past level 1 or level 2 require 50 or 100 XP to AMLA instead of 150.
20111022 11:40:01< fabi> esr: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=510848#p510848 Do you have an idea about the shield symbol?
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20111022 11:50:32< mordante> servus
20111022 11:51:19< mordante> AI0867, I think both BeOS and AmigaOS are no longer actively maintained
20111022 11:52:02< mordante> AI0867, however I'd like to keep to code, but when rewriting to boost fs we shouldn't see those as a blocker
20111022 11:52:25< mordante> Alarantalara ok
20111022 11:54:58< mordante> anonymissimus can bug 18829 also be reproduced without --debug, when using debug more more things can break
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20111022 12:00:36< mordante> beetlenaut, I don't mind too much about the ALMA idea, not really overpowered IMO
20111022 12:03:35< mordante> beetlenaut, only would be nice if you ask for an opinion you give us some time to react :-/
20111022 12:03:57< mordante> also wonder why didn't you change the level 4 units (at least according to the commit message)
20111022 12:04:18< beetlenaut> I thought changing level 4 would be more controversial.
20111022 12:04:56< beetlenaut> I decided to go ahead and do it because it would be easy enough to revert if it was unpopular.
20111022 12:05:04< beetlenaut> Bad choice?
20111022 12:06:12< mordante> not per se, but it's just a bit odd to ask for an opinion and give us not much time to react, some of us are in other timezones
20111022 12:06:32< mordante> I would think the lvl1 would be more controversial ;-)
20111022 12:06:53< mordante> but of course we can revert if need be, but I think the change would be ok, also for lvl 4
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20111022 12:07:15< beetlenaut> What about Delfador in HttT?
20111022 12:08:50< mordante> yeah was just looking at the amount of lvl5 units and it's only Delfador and the fire dragon in mainline
20111022 12:10:45< mordante> not even sure Delfador really 'deserves' to be lvl5, from his stats not really, but I think it was used to signify his age
20111022 12:11:34< mordante> I still don't think increasing his ALMA is a big penalty
20111022 12:12:08< mordante> generally I prefer to 'give' the kill to a lower level unit
20111022 12:14:19< beetlenaut> Of course, but he usually gets an amla or two during the game anyway--he gets the first at 120 currently, which is easy to get by accident.
20111022 12:18:20< beetlenaut> Still, it's not a big deal like you said. I think I prefer the consistency of making it all level*50.
20111022 12:43:55< CIA-64> beetlenaut * r51579 /trunk/data/ (13 files in 9 dirs): Level 4 AMLA increased to 200 XP, and level 5 to 250.
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20111022 12:49:26< mordante> nice
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20111022 15:00:58< AI0867> beetlenaut: how about L4 or L5s?
20111022 15:01:15< AI0867> oh, you already did that, nevermind
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20111022 15:14:05< mordante> hi ivanovic_pandora 
20111022 15:14:22< mordante> how is it at the summit?
20111022 15:14:50< ivanovic_pandora> cool
20111022 15:15:14< ivanovic_pandora> already met boucman and crab yesterday, still got to find gabba
20111022 15:16:31< mordante> nice
20111022 15:16:42< mordante> already found the chocolate?
20111022 15:17:04< ivanovic_pandora> nah, it  is 6am over here
20111022 15:17:18< ivanovic_pandora> the real summit is just to start in some hours
20111022 15:18:22< mordante> ah ok
20111022 15:21:10< mordante> had a good flight?
20111022 15:22:20< ivanovic_pandora> yeah, was really fine
20111022 15:25:35< mordante> ok nice
20111022 15:25:43< mordante> then have fun this weekend
20111022 15:26:18< ivanovic_pandora> can't you hold back your mass commits until i am back in germany?
20111022 15:26:57< mordante> my mass commits are small ... other commits were large or is it regarding compilation?
20111022 15:27:05< ivanovic_pandora> using my mail providers webinterface on the pandora sucks somehow, so looking through mails takes ages with the hotel wifi...
20111022 15:27:25< mordante> ah ok
20111022 15:28:05< ivanovic_pandora> usually i just fetch all mails using pop3, but i don't have a real mail client setup on my toy
20111022 15:31:08< mordante> I might have a mini-flood again tomorrow ;-)
20111022 15:31:51< ivanovic_pandora> ugh...
20111022 15:32:20< mordante> but will you also check your mail during the next week?
20111022 15:33:36< ivanovic_pandora> i might every now and then in the morning or evening hours
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20111022 15:38:50< mordante> already did some of that yesterday and today, also like to fix some of the bugs ... which requires committing
20111022 15:39:17< ivanovic_pandora> okay, that is fine
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20111022 15:39:53< ivanovic_pandora> but those refactoring/cleanup mass commtis make my head hurt in the web interface of the mail provider
20111022 15:39:57< ivanovic_pandora> ;)
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20111022 15:41:39< mordante> I'm done with that cleaning up, everything compiles now and no other cleanup projects (yet)
20111022 15:45:31< ivanovic_pandora> puh
20111022 15:49:49< mordante> I've other nasty commits pending :-)
20111022 15:57:45< ivanovic_pandora> ohoh
20111022 15:59:09< mordante> but not for today, for tomorrow
20111022 15:59:26< mordante> will be leaving soon
20111022 16:00:15< ivanovic_pandora> i'll have a shower now and soon met boucman for breakfast at google
20111022 16:01:01< mordante> have fun
20111022 16:01:09< mordante> and say hi to boucman
20111022 16:16:10< mordante> I'm off bye
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20111022 16:32:17< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug 18829 
20111022 16:32:17< wesbot> Bug #18829  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20111022 16:32:18< wesbot> Summary: ai sides show up as "controller=network" on remote clients
20111022 16:32:18< wesbot> Original submission: In a mp game on the server with 2 human players and 1 ai,
20111022 16:32:20< wesbot>  for player 1's (human, host) BfW instance:side[1].controller -> "human"side
20111022 16:32:24< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?18829
20111022 16:33:46< anonymissimus> mordante: I think yes, thats much harder to check though without the lua command line
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20111022 16:40:13< anonymissimus> beetlenaut: I object these 250 xp amla for delfador I think; he is very weak for a must-not-die max level unit with his 55 hp and actually needs some amlas
20111022 16:40:43< anonymissimus> think of the "hasty alliance" scenario, he needs some amlas there to survive 2 hits
20111022 16:40:59< anonymissimus> similar for desert star
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20111022 16:42:27< anonymissimus> I mean, the level of a unit actually says nothing about how desperately it needs amla
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20111022 17:18:21< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: eh, this topic merging is dangerous to get right, no preview ;)
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20111022 17:34:43< fendrin> anonymissimus: And I haven't found the undo yet.
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20111022 17:45:59< SigurdTheDragon> beetlenaut: The Giant Rat seems to me like one of those special ones, maybe it should even be a little lower than 14 xp to fit its concept better.
20111022 17:50:08< Espreon> Hmmmm, I too don't think I like this > 150 XP AMLA stuff.
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20111022 18:08:36< fendrin> Alarantalara: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=510928#p510928
20111022 18:10:14< fendrin> Alarantalara: I think you are not quite right there. Ivanovic isn't around so I can't really tell for sure but commiting new art with only a little WML shouldn't be a problem as long as the needed translated string is inside before the freeze. 
20111022 18:11:28< Alarantalara> It was the string I was worried about
20111022 18:11:30< fendrin> Alarantalara: Meaning we could commit the translatable string right now and put the image + terrain code in place when it is ready even shortly before the release.
20111022 18:12:18< Alarantalara> I could put the terrain code in now using renamed versions of the existing bridge
20111022 18:13:13< Alarantalara> But wouldn't it be almost as bad to have a translated string if the result wasn't there?
20111022 18:14:56< fendrin> Removing the code before the release shouldn't be a problem when the art isn't finished.
20111022 18:17:34< Alarantalara> Okay then. I'll put it in now
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20111022 18:23:14< Espreon> mordante: https://gna.org/bugs/?18387#discussion ... I added Pango markup to that dialog, but it turns out that Pango markup isn't dealt with there. So if we still want that text formatted like that, would you please enable Pango markup there?
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20111022 18:28:39< CIA-64> alarantalara * r51580 /trunk/data/core/ (terrain-graphics.cfg terrain.cfg): Placeholder WML for a rotting bridge
20111022 18:29:30< Espreon> Alarantalara: ... and when all goes wrong, we can just #ifdef it out.
20111022 18:30:17< Alarantalara> I can just mark it hidden so the terrain codes are reserved
20111022 18:30:27< Espreon> That too.
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20111022 19:10:59< CIA-64> alarantalara * r51581 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/cave/ (6 files): Make cave bank blend better with cave
20111022 19:14:01< CIA-64> alarantalara * r51582 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: Flagstones need to be drawn over water banks
20111022 19:16:22< fendrin> esr: Hi, read my sentence?
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20111022 19:39:24< Gambit> So the free game alliance thing that Wesnoth joined also has an IRC channel. #fga
20111022 19:39:54< Espreon> Hmmm...
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20111022 20:04:47< anonymissimus> fendrin: regarding bug #18815  . I think it works as designed, looking at the code
20111022 20:05:13< anonymissimus> however, me thinks that this is very counterintuitive and unexpected, may confuse users
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20111022 20:07:13< CIA-64> alarantalara * r51583 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: Get rid of ice banks when snow mountains touch sand
20111022 20:08:24< anonymissimus> also, someone may want to have a filter there which in some situations actually matches nothing, for instance because the unit(s) which that unit could recall have been killed
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20111022 20:15:48< fendrin> anonymissimus: What makes you think that it works as designed? I think that a filter with type=none should match to no unit.
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20111022 20:16:58< AI0867> fendrin: [filter][not] ?
20111022 20:17:04< anonymissimus> fendrin: line 415ff actions.cpp
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20111022 20:18:05< anonymissimus> AI0867: no, that would also lead to every unit recallable
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20111022 20:18:15< anonymissimus> as I say, counterintuitive
20111022 20:23:59< Moloch_IT> hi guys, how can i ask some information about how wesnoth code is organized?
20111022 20:24:41< Moloch_IT> i'd like to contribute
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20111022 20:26:54< ivanovic_pandora> just ask any questions in here and stay around for the answer
20111022 20:27:02< Moloch_IT> great
20111022 20:27:08< boucman_mobile> stick around here and ask questions
20111022 20:27:22 * ivanovic_pandora will currently not follow things too much due to being on "holidays"
20111022 20:27:40< Moloch_IT> i'd like to do small things
20111022 20:27:43< stikonas> Espreon: Hello
20111022 20:27:50< Moloch_IT> any thing that could be helpful
20111022 20:27:59< boucman_mobile> find something you want to change and work on it, questions will come naturally
20111022 20:28:04< stikonas> Espreon: I've 3 translated images. How should I send them to you?
20111022 20:30:14< Espreon> stikonas: Email.
20111022 20:30:21< Espreon> ... or forum PM.
20111022 20:30:56< Espreon> Moloch_IT: Well...
20111022 20:31:08< stikonas> I can also put them on my web server
20111022 20:31:11< Espreon> ... you could look at EasyCoding or look through the bug tracker for minor bugs to fix.
20111022 20:31:22< Espreon> You could also fulfill minor feature requests.
20111022 20:31:26< Moloch_IT> naturally
20111022 20:31:29< Moloch_IT> :)
20111022 20:31:48< stikonas> Espreon: This would be quicker than forum PM http://stikonas.homelinux.org/files/
20111022 20:32:30< anonymissimus> Moloch_IT: are you the Moloch from the ladder ?
20111022 20:32:46< stikonas> Espreon: can you commit them (language code lt). Thse are LOW, DW maps and TROW logo
20111022 20:32:55< Espreon> Certainly.
20111022 20:32:57< anonymissimus> you can also help by finding and making good bug reports
20111022 20:33:54< stikonas> There is an LOW map should be replaced. The new one contains a small fix.
20111022 20:33:59< anonymissimus> such as reports with a precise and easy how_to-reproduce and a backrace
20111022 20:35:58< Espreon> stikonas: Has Jetrel approved the TRoW logo?
20111022 20:36:26< fendrin> anonymissimus: I see. Will fix it.
20111022 20:36:43< fendrin> hi Moloch_IT
20111022 20:36:51< Moloch_IT> hi
20111022 20:36:56< fendrin> Moloch_IT: Sorry for not answering, I missed you. I am also fabi.
20111022 20:37:37< fendrin> Moloch_IT: We have a "easy coding tasks" section in our wiki. You could start there.
20111022 20:37:43< Moloch_IT> great
20111022 20:37:57< stikonas> Espreon: yes
20111022 20:38:11< Espreon> stikonas: What is Background_Map--overlay.png for?
20111022 20:38:27< stikonas> Espreon: Dead Water
20111022 20:38:46< stikonas> DW background map has non-standard name
20111022 20:38:57< Espreon> ... Hmmm...
20111022 20:39:01< stikonas> maybe it would be a good idea to rename it
20111022 20:39:02< Espreon> I'll have to deal with that.
20111022 20:39:19< stikonas> and this is Jetrel's aproval: http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=35304
20111022 20:39:36< Moloch_IT> fendrin: i need some time to be fully operational. can i ask here if i get lost in sources?
20111022 20:41:09< fendrin> Moloch_IT: sure
20111022 20:41:19< CIA-64> espreon * r51584 /trunk/data/campaigns/Dead_Water/ (14 files in 2 dirs): Standardized the filename of DW's map.
20111022 20:42:01< stikonas> I'll fix the wiki
20111022 20:43:38< Espreon> OK.
20111022 20:44:53 * anonymissimus doesnt consider himself fully operational after browing the wesnoth C++ source for 1,5 years + previous good knowledge about lua and wml
20111022 20:45:27< anonymissimus> and some C++ and Java knowledge as well...
20111022 20:46:04 * anonymissimus gets lost in the sources all the time
20111022 20:53:06< Moloch_IT> :)
20111022 20:53:13< Moloch_IT> it's huge
20111022 20:57:02< CIA-64> espreon * r51585 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/_main.cfg: Ran umcpropfix.
20111022 21:00:29< CIA-64> espreon * r51586 /trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Updated localized images for Lithuanian.
20111022 21:00:30< Espreon> stikonas: And there you go.
20111022 21:00:46< stikonas> thanks
20111022 21:01:00< Espreon> No prob.
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20111022 21:10:43< CIA-64> espreon * r51587 /trunk/data/core/images/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Ran umcpropfix.
20111022 21:16:09< anonymissimus> we really need to continue zaroth's project, this mp-sp loading code unification
20111022 21:17:04< anonymissimus> the series of carryover bugs I posted just proves that nobody understands whats going on there
20111022 21:17:24< anonymissimus> its a network of confusing dependencies
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20111022 22:36:53< anonymissimus> Crab_: what would make most sense if one of the cleanup functions throws (as we deiscussed) ?
20111022 22:37:14< anonymissimus> what happens if a C++ dextructor throws ?
20111022 22:38:34< fendrin> esr: around?
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20111022 22:48:26< fendrin> anonymissimus: Throwing an exception inside a destructor should be avoided at all costs. http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/exceptions.html#faq-17.9
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20111022 23:43:27< CIA-64> alarantalara * r51588 /trunk/src/unit.cpp: 
20111022 23:43:27< CIA-64> Apply default team color for side last
20111022 23:43:27< CIA-64> Fixes bug #18817
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