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20111026 00:44:20< anonymissimus> fendrin: you dont need to disable the primary joystick option though, jystick support yes/no
20111026 00:45:14< anonymissimus> although it is probably not much use without settign teh other options as well ?
20111026 00:49:26< fendrin> yes
20111026 00:49:40< fendrin> it will only work properly with the exact right type of gamepad.
20111026 00:49:54< fendrin> The xbox compatible one.
20111026 00:51:23< anonymissimus> AI0867: you were talking about boost.filesystem ? maybe thats a good reason allowing us to postpone bug #18715 
20111026 00:53:54< AI0867> anonymissimus: in 1.11
20111026 00:54:18< AI0867> but I don't see how that blocks #18715, it should be a simple restore if we can figure out which commit thonsew claims to have fixed it in
20111026 00:54:39< anonymissimus> yes, but I consider thonsew's commit bad
20111026 00:54:56< AI0867> #13926 is a bug caused by using less portable filesystem interfaces
20111026 00:55:34< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug 13926
20111026 00:55:35< wesbot> Bug #13926  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20111026 00:55:35< wesbot> Summary: Scenario name (unicode) used for generated save filenames, breaking autosave.
20111026 00:55:38< wesbot> Original submission: The scenario name is used for automatically generated fil
20111026 00:55:41< wesbot> enames for saves. The name (and its translations) can contain unicode characters
20111026 00:55:44< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?13926
20111026 00:57:49< anonymissimus> fendrin: how did you handle the recall list and gold carryover in MP LoW ?
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20111026 01:01:14< fendrin> anonymissimus: Between the Chapters?
20111026 01:01:30< anonymissimus> not in particular
20111026 01:01:44< anonymissimus> between normal scenarios within the same
20111026 01:02:18< fendrin> Gold and recall carryover pretty much works like in singleplayer campaigns as well, since 1.9.3 iirc.
20111026 01:02:52< fendrin> The carryover between the chapters is done by the usage of the "persistent variables" feature.
20111026 01:03:09< anonymissimus> :| um not that I could reproduce that
20111026 01:03:26< anonymissimus> carryover doesnt wor at all, that is
20111026 01:03:43< fendrin> That is new to me.
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20111026 01:08:20< fendrin> anonymissimus: Can I see your scenario coding?
20111026 01:11:58< anonymissimus> http://pastebin.com/v4wzZ3Xj http://pastebin.com/Z7AJS5As
20111026 01:12:16< anonymissimus> i just attempted to create a small mp campaign testcase
20111026 01:12:28< anonymissimus> which is also clean
20111026 01:13:09< anonymissimus> the carryover only works sicne I manually store/unstore units and this very unclean addon from the one bug report also did manual carrypver, for units and for gold
20111026 01:13:30< anonymissimus> maybe I shouldnt have used save ids or something
20111026 01:15:28< anonymissimus> whenver I download an addon which I didnt make myself the first thing to do is kind of fixing xxx wmlint errors, xxx wmlscope errors, xxx stderr errors before I can even think of getting to reproduce the bug
20111026 01:16:09< anonymissimus> or so, there are some which are good but often the testcases posted are not very suitable
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20111026 01:17:44< anonymissimus> Gambit: I like your lockings :)
20111026 01:19:51< fendrin> anonymissimus: I don't see a mistake. You don't assign any id to your sides, I have not tried that.
20111026 01:20:23< fendrin> anonymissimus: Sorry, found it.
20111026 01:20:36< anonymissimus> fendrin: the id I could try
20111026 01:20:53< anonymissimus> if no save_id is given, the leader id becomes it
20111026 01:21:06< anonymissimus> afaik
20111026 01:21:08< fendrin> anonymissimus: It's present in the first but not in the second scenario.
20111026 01:21:29< fendrin> It's the other way around, if no save_id is given it will be the id.
20111026 01:21:45< fendrin> I don't know if the opposite case is defined.
20111026 01:22:30< anonymissimus> but I gave save_ids everywhere
20111026 01:23:05< fendrin> Yes, I see.
20111026 01:23:25< fendrin> Just id= is missing in the second one. But as you said that is unlikely to be the bug.
20111026 01:24:36< anonymissimus> this id= in [side] is not used if there is a save_id
20111026 01:24:54< anonymissimus> and also not if it's not the first scenario and there is a recallable leader
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20111026 01:38:07< fendrin> Alarantalara: Hi, assigned many mac related bugs to you, I hope you don't mind. Just drop the ones that are not in your scope.
20111026 01:39:04< fendrin> anonymissimus: In the case of LoW the persistence is still working. I can recall units from scenario one. But I did only a local hotseat test.
20111026 01:41:20< shadowmaster> AI0867: also note git makes a difference between the author of a patch and the committer
20111026 01:41:44< AI0867> yeah, but I can't fix that in an automated way
20111026 01:42:08< AI0867> well, I guess I could use reposurgeon afterwards to do stuff
20111026 01:42:38< Alarantalara> fendrin: not especially. I suspect I'll mark about half of them as duplicate/postponed, since they're exposed by OpenMP and I don't feel up to debugging it yet so I've elected to just turn it off for the next release
20111026 01:43:29< fendrin> Alarantalara: Sounds like a good solution in my ears.
20111026 01:48:31< anonymissimus> fendrin: it worked for me now the server
20111026 01:48:56< anonymissimus> but still, I got easily OOS error and tag not supported at scenario toplevel errors
20111026 01:49:07< anonymissimus> and I'm sure thats the lesser problems...
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20111026 01:53:40< fendrin> anonymissimus: I have had a bunch of happy players in the past. But anyway another reason to drop the mp support if it is broken again.
20111026 01:59:45< anonymissimus> it has never been really working I guess
20111026 02:00:00< anonymissimus> I have duplicate leasders in teh recall list
20111026 02:00:50< anonymissimus> and if we dont have a mainline mp campaign we can hardly support addon ones
20111026 02:01:08< fendrin> That is true.
20111026 02:01:37< fendrin> I have had duplicate leaders problems before. Somehow managed to fix that.
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20111026 02:08:17< fendrin> anonymissimus: I think I know what is wrong.
20111026 02:08:50< anonymissimus> these duclicate leaders mustnt happen
20111026 02:09:11< anonymissimus> if a leader is in the recall list, it has to automatically kill teh default leader from [side]
20111026 02:09:26< anonymissimus> and automatically recall the first leader from the recall list
20111026 02:10:03< anonymissimus> both things are not done; i put no_leader=yes so there was nod efault leader but it still doesn't autorecall the leader from teh recall list
20111026 02:10:23< anonymissimus> but anyway, support os still better than I would have expected
20111026 02:10:48< anonymissimus> even the gold carryover seems to work
20111026 02:11:33< fendrin> remember that save_id identifies the side while id identifies the leader itself.
20111026 02:12:01< fendrin> I think you should really try with a id in your second scenario. 
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20111026 02:14:47< anonymissimus> Espreon: can you pls create a folder in teh wesnoth UMC repo with the name "A_Simple_MP_Campaign", thx
20111026 02:15:15< anonymissimus> I need that since I don't know how to check in a new one with git
20111026 02:15:32< fendrin> bye, fetching some sleep
20111026 02:15:33< shadowmaster> svn mkdir <repo path>/trunk/A_Simple_MP_Campaign
20111026 02:15:49< anonymissimus> yep no svn
20111026 02:16:03< shadowmaster> that's a bad idea
20111026 02:16:13< anonymissimus> only git
20111026 02:16:20< shadowmaster> yep
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20111026 02:43:55< CIA-64> shadowmaster * r51651 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/simple_item_selector.cfg: gui2/tsimple_item_selector: Set maximum dialog height to 600
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20111026 02:50:24< enchilado> derp.
20111026 02:50:27< enchilado> <_<
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20111026 03:11:13< CIA-64> shadowmaster * r51652 /trunk/src/ (addon/info.hpp gui/dialogs/addon/description.hpp): Move struct addon_info to its own header file (requires no implementation, it will be shared by upcoming code)
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20111026 04:33:55< shadowmaster> mordante: I am working on a new add-ons removal dialog that supports multiple selections for 1.9.10 since I don't think I'll be able to start/finish a new add-ons management interface before the feature freeze: http://is.gd/OiBymZ 
20111026 04:35:00< ivanovic_pandora> shadowmaster: cool stuff!
20111026 04:35:57< shadowmaster> and I haven't finished writing the next IRC line :p
20111026 04:38:16< shadowmaster> mordante: unfortunately, I am not sure about the implementation since it could rely on some implementation details or stuff you don't want us to use, so, if you could review this diff: http://shadowm.ai0867.net/gui2-addon-uninstall-list.patch   The part in src/gui/dialogs/addon/uninstall_list.cpp where I need to locate the checkboxes within the listbox in the class' post_show() method (involving a dynamic_cast) cocncerns me
20111026 04:38:23< shadowmaster> *concerns
20111026 04:38:42< shadowmaster> I wasn't sure how to do it using find_widget() or whether there's an even more appropriate way to do this.
20111026 04:43:11< shadowmaster> in fact, I am not sure about how to make the dynamic_cast not screw things up if w is not a toggle_button
20111026 04:44:48< shadowmaster> then again, I don't see anything in find_widget()'s implementation that protects against such a situation either
20111026 04:45:03< shadowmaster> (I have never used dynamic_cast before.)
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20111026 06:16:11< shadowmaster> Espreon: would "<translatable string> + <new line> + <new line> + <non translatable string consisting of untranslatable names separated by line breaks>" be an acceptable presentational compromise in i18n terms?
20111026 06:17:06< shadowmaster> the translatable string is "Are you sure you want to remove the following add-ons?" using gettext plurals, and the untranslatable names are add-on ids taken from the filesystem since we don't have any other facility for that purpose at the moment
20111026 06:17:35< shadowmaster> *ids with underscores replaced with whitespace,
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20111026 06:45:08< shadowmaster> Here's a more illustrating screenshot: http://shadowm.ai0867.net/removeconfirm.png
20111026 06:45:46< shadowmaster> I'm not completely sure if spamming more custom dialogs is the way to go.
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20111026 07:17:20< Espreon> shadowmaster: That should work.
20111026 07:17:40< Espreon> Well... probably. But there's nothing better we can do.
20111026 07:19:57< shadowmaster> yes, there's something better, which is spamming a custom dialog where the names list is a separate control, but I'm not keen on having two more miscellaneous dialogs
20111026 07:20:02< shadowmaster> three more miscellaneous dialogs
20111026 07:21:02< Espreon> Well, but that'd be icky.
20111026 07:22:09< Espreon> And sadly, I have to go now.
20111026 07:22:11< Espreon> Bye.
20111026 07:22:29< shadowmaster> boo...
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20111026 07:38:33< Espreon> shadowmaster: Meh, it turns out that I can stay.
20111026 07:39:07< Espreon> Just use gettext plurals and call it done.
20111026 07:39:44< Espreon> (if possible)
20111026 07:39:53< shadowmaster> the gettext plurals were never part of the question
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20111026 07:40:37< Espreon> Well, then I have nothing more to say.
20111026 07:40:41< Espreon> Especially at 1:40 AM.
20111026 07:40:55< shadowmaster> you underestimate me :p
20111026 07:41:07< Espreon> I underestimate/overestimate everything.
20111026 07:41:12< Espreon> ... especially at 1:40 AM.
20111026 07:41:22< shadowmaster> it's 02:41 am here...
20111026 07:41:36< Espreon> I don't care. I'm the one doing the estimating.
20111026 07:41:47< shadowmaster> okay, sure :)
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20111026 08:40:36< Soliton> shadowmaster: well, check the pointer after the dynamic cast before dereferencing it unless you are sure you must find the right widget.
20111026 08:47:22< Soliton> and since you already have an assert there i'd rather put that after the dynamic cast if it must find the right widget kind.
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20111026 09:37:56< shadowmaster> so I assume a dynamic_cast<T*>(NULL) situation won't crash first?
20111026 09:43:53< Espreon> Hmmm, there seems to be an atrocious lag that occurs after unit fights. For example, after killing a unit, it takes at least two seconds for the experience info to be updated or for a unit to advance.
20111026 09:44:37< Espreon> And I have to wait at least two seconds before selecting another unit for moving/attacking.
20111026 09:44:43< shadowmaster> not here, using r51652
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20111026 09:46:39< Espreon> I'm using 51560; I doubt that the last two revisions fixed the problem.
20111026 09:46:45< Espreon> But I'll check...
20111026 09:47:29< Soliton> shadowmaster: yes, casting NULL will just get you NULL again.
20111026 09:47:56< shadowmaster> ah, nice
20111026 09:48:01< Espreon> Meh, maybe there was something screwy with that particular session.
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20111026 10:03:03< shadowmaster> wesbot: log 51560
20111026 10:03:05< wesbot> mordante * r51560 : Remove an old-style-cast.
20111026 10:03:05< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=51560
20111026 10:03:55< shadowmaster> oh. I didn't realize that's less than my local svn head.
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20111026 10:42:07 * shadowmaster is a bit puzzled... http://pastebin.com/CGNM63Ai
20111026 10:54:18< shadowmaster> oh yeah, I am apparently running into a major design flaw of code I wrote back in 2008
20111026 10:59:57< CIA-64> shadowmaster * r51653 /trunk/ (changelog src/version.cpp): 
20111026 10:59:57< CIA-64> Fix bug #18766 by removing some half-assed "recursion prevention" bullshit I devised back in 2008
20111026 10:59:57< CIA-64> A static counter variable wasn't being reset, ever, so a number of
20111026 10:59:57< CIA-64> version comparisons during a single session would make the code stop
20111026 10:59:57< CIA-64> working.
20111026 10:59:58< CIA-64> The basic idea is idiotic and I should probably rewrite this code ASAP.
20111026 11:02:12< CIA-64> shadowmaster * r51654 /trunk/changelog: Forgot to mention why this is relevant for WML coders
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20111026 17:19:34< fendrin> wesbot: bug 17323
20111026 17:19:35< wesbot> Bug #17323  Assigned to: Fabian Müller <fendrin>  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20111026 17:19:38< wesbot> Summary: small glitch in keyboard preferences
20111026 17:19:40< wesbot> Original submission: Keyboard shortcuts set using the Hotkeys menu to shift+le
20111026 17:19:43< wesbot> tter are displayed as a capitalized letter instead. (e.g. "M" instead of "shift+
20111026 17:19:46< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?17323
20111026 17:20:46< fendrin> ^ I can fix that but it seems the original coder wanted it the way it is.
20111026 17:27:31< CIA-64> ai0867 * r51655 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/wescamp.py: Don't mask built-in functions.
20111026 17:30:52< fendrin> AI0867: https://gna.org/bugs/?17323 Do you have an opinion?
20111026 17:37:40< AI0867> shift+letter seems more obvious
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20111026 17:44:26< anonymissimus> wesbot: topic
20111026 17:44:28< wesbot> anonymissimus: Don't be impatient, wait until something changes...  *tsk*
20111026 17:44:51< fendrin> AI0867: Okay, I will do so.
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20111026 18:11:37< anonymissimus> is the sourcecode of wesnoth somewhere visible ? I'd like to see the bug counting algorithm
20111026 18:11:45< anonymissimus> wesbot I mean
20111026 18:22:13< CIA-64> fendrin * r51656 /trunk/data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/2_Tutorial.cfg: Fixed the Tutorial not proceeding with instructions in case the Elvish Fighter send out to the eastern village is quick.
20111026 18:22:47< elias> in my bot it would be lots of ugly regexps :P
20111026 18:25:47< anonymissimus> well I'm wondering how it's calculated, that is: do "need info" bugs count to it ? "ready for test" ? "postponed" ?
20111026 18:30:26< fendrin> anonymissimus: The next release closes 80 bugs. I think that is a good value.
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20111026 18:37:41< anonymissimus> wesbot: topic
20111026 18:37:42-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 169 bugs, 328 feature requests, 14 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20111026 18:42:47< anonymissimus> ah ok, it seem it's open bugs which are none or in progress or postponed or confirmed
20111026 18:50:46< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug 16584
20111026 18:50:46< wesbot> Bug #16584  Assigned to: Anonymissimus <anonymissimus>  Status: Fixed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20111026 18:50:49< wesbot> Summary: Time of day doesn't change in time area.
20111026 18:50:52< wesbot> Original submission: The main time for a scenario is {UNDERGROUND}, and a time
20111026 18:50:55< wesbot> _area sets part of it to {DEFAULT_SCHEDULE}. However, the time area is always du
20111026 18:50:58< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?16584
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20111026 19:16:05 * vultraz wishes he could fix a bug...
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20111026 19:18:40< Espreon> OK, yeah, this lag is real... and it's atrocious. Of course, I'm talking about the lag that occasionally shows up after a unit attacks.
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20111026 19:21:26< vultraz> Espreon: like...the unit strikes another, and it freezes for a little, then finished the animation?
20111026 19:21:47< vultraz> I think sometimes it results in a total freeze for me sometimes///
20111026 19:22:05< anonymissimus> vultraz: you don't need to be able to fix bugs
20111026 19:22:14< Espreon> vultraz: Yeah, that.
20111026 19:22:39< anonymissimus> for instance, if you can limit down the cases under which a vertain bug is reproduvible that's oftne half of the job
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20111026 19:24:04< anonymissimus> vultraz: don't you have a mac ? in that case you could also do a lot
20111026 19:24:22< vultraz> yeah I do...10.5.8
20111026 19:24:26< anonymissimus> since mac devs is the smallest group
20111026 19:25:12< Espreon> Well, I have to go.
20111026 19:25:13< Espreon> Bye.
20111026 19:26:13< CIA-64> anonymissimus * r51657 /trunk/projectfiles/VC9/wesnoth.vcproj: visual studio projectfile update
20111026 19:27:04< CIA-64> anonymissimus * r51658 /trunk/projectfiles/CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp: code blocks projectfile update
20111026 19:27:21< CIA-64> anonymissimus * r51659 /trunk/changelog: move a changelog entry claiming a fix to where it was actually fixed
20111026 19:27:38< CIA-64> anonymissimus * r51660 /trunk/changelog: delete a word which obviously doesn't belong there
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20111026 20:12:32< anonymissimus> wesbot: seen eleazar
20111026 20:12:32< wesbot> anonymissimus: Sorry, I don't know of eleazar.
20111026 20:15:20< Espreon> And back.
20111026 20:15:59< vultraz> wb
20111026 20:16:06< vultraz> welcome back*
20111026 20:17:24< Gallaecio> wesbot: seen me
20111026 20:17:25< wesbot> Gallaecio: Sorry, I don't know of me.
20111026 20:17:34< Gallaecio> Poor bot.
20111026 20:17:36< Gallaecio> XD
20111026 20:17:41< vultraz> XD
20111026 20:18:02< vultraz> wesbot: seen my best friend
20111026 20:18:29< vultraz> :S
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20111026 20:23:11< Espreon> Now to raise the bug count...
20111026 20:23:29< Espreon> Well... unless...
20111026 20:23:33< Espreon> anonymissimus: 'Ello.
20111026 20:24:04< anonymissimus> Espreon: ?
20111026 20:24:19< Espreon> anonymissimus: It's another form of "hello".
20111026 20:24:23< anonymissimus> no pls dont raise it
20111026 20:24:38< Espreon> Well, I think I shall. This lag is so atrocious.
20111026 20:25:45< Gallaecio> XD
20111026 20:25:59< shadowmaster> I'd rather have a high-quality 1.10 after fixing 400 bugs than a low-quality 1.10 after fixing 1 bug
20111026 20:26:27< Espreon> Indeed.
20111026 20:27:24< anonymissimus> of course you're right
20111026 20:27:37< anonymissimus> lets make it the best version ever
20111026 20:29:00< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: re r51653; I seem to recall problems with #define FOO #ifdef BAR ... code, is that also affected by this revision ?
20111026 20:29:32< Espreon> wesbot: topic
20111026 20:29:34-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 170 bugs, 328 feature requests, 14 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20111026 20:29:39< Espreon> Muahahahahaha!
20111026 20:31:57< shadowmaster> !log 51653
20111026 20:31:58< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Revision 51653 (shadowmaster) on Wed Oct 26 08:59:53 2011:
20111026 20:32:01< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Fix bug #18766 by removing some half-assed "recursion prevention" bullshit I devised back in 2008
20111026 20:32:05< shikadibot> shadowmaster:  
20111026 20:32:06< shikadibot> shadowmaster: A static counter variable wasn't being reset, ever, so a number of
20111026 20:32:09< shikadibot> shadowmaster: (+4 discarded lines)
20111026 20:32:10< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=51653
20111026 20:32:22< shadowmaster> anonymissimus: Not in the least.
20111026 20:33:30< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: butm I interpret the changelog entry this way, or what should "not limited to" mean then
20111026 20:33:40< shadowmaster> save game version checks
20111026 20:33:55< shadowmaster> it says "version comparisons" and I'm pretty sure you realize #ifdef has nothing to do with version comparisons
20111026 20:34:14< Espreon> Hmmm, and it appears that capturing a village prevents the player from undoing the move.
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20111026 20:34:32< shadowmaster> there's also add-on version comparisons for the implementation of the Update menu
20111026 20:35:33< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: ok, understood
20111026 20:36:39< anonymissimus> Espreon: IIRC I read that among the bug reports
20111026 20:36:48< anonymissimus> it could have been a FR as well
20111026 20:37:25< anonymissimus> ah well, it was when capturing an allied village when no longer having one's own leader in MP
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20111026 20:37:55< anonymissimus> which doesn't change the village's ownership
20111026 20:38:31< Espreon> Hmmm, and the option for enabling DSU doesn't appear in this playing of THoT.
20111026 20:38:45< anonymissimus> Espreon: preventing undo when capturing a village was always, thats not a bug
20111026 20:38:52< Espreon> So, yeah, no option in the context menu.
20111026 20:39:01< Espreon> Uh... no.
20111026 20:39:06< Espreon> Not that I remember.
20111026 20:41:07< shadowmaster> I can undo/redo village captures in 1.8 (hotseat local MP)
20111026 20:41:24< anonymissimus>  Espreon : you're right, but I can undo/redo it in trunk
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20111026 20:41:52< anonymissimus> somethign else can have disabled undo
20111026 20:41:59< vultraz> http://imagebin.org/180905 still needs a fix....sry I can't bc I still need a whatever-you-need-to-submit-fixed-bugs
20111026 20:41:59< shadowmaster> I don't like pointing out the obvious, but remember that fog/shroud mess with undo on purpose
20111026 20:42:07< Espreon> Hmmm... must be a bug in THoT.
20111026 20:42:10< Gallaecio> Are you guys already thinking of 1.10?
20111026 20:42:16< Gallaecio> I will have to translate faster!
20111026 20:42:18< Espreon> After all, I am playing Invaders.
20111026 20:42:29< anonymissimus> Gallaecio: not at all
20111026 20:42:38< Gallaecio> Uff, I’m glad.
20111026 20:42:39< shadowmaster> Gallaecio: https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2011-10/msg00023.html
20111026 20:42:43< Gallaecio> Take it easy ;)
20111026 20:42:58< anonymissimus> 6 weaks of freeze is cute^^
20111026 20:43:43< Espreon> anonymissimus: suupaa kawaii desu ne?
20111026 20:43:51< shadowmaster> vultraz: such a patch?
20111026 20:44:10< shadowmaster> *as a
20111026 20:50:20< vultraz> ?
20111026 20:50:53< shadowmaster> "whatever-you-need-to-submit-fixed-bugs" didn't make much sense.
20111026 20:52:24< vultraz> whatever you need to submit patches*
20111026 20:52:25< vultraz> sorry
20111026 20:52:33< vultraz> I'm up late and not thinking right
20111026 20:53:59< vultraz> so...1.10 might be out around new years eh?
20111026 20:55:16< vultraz> good...'
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20111026 20:56:10< shadowmaster> it's a possibility, but the official release deadline will always be IIRWIIR
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20111026 20:59:48< vultraz> IIRWIIR?
20111026 20:59:48< wesbot> vultraz: It Is Ready When It Is Ready
20111026 20:59:58< vultraz> lol
20111026 21:00:34< vultraz> lemme see.
20111026 21:00:42< vultraz> IIRC?
20111026 21:00:55< vultraz> huh
20111026 21:02:17< vultraz> what exactly do you need to submit patches anyway
20111026 21:02:39< Espreon> diff
20111026 21:02:44< Espreon> Well, that's to make them.
20111026 21:02:46< vultraz> ?
20111026 21:03:04< Espreon> diff is a piece of software that can make patches.
20111026 21:03:30< vultraz> o...k...
20111026 21:03:32< Espreon> vultraz: Well, ideally, you'd be working from an svn checkout and using svn diff
20111026 21:03:43< shadowmaster> preferably svn diff's command, which uses diff with better options
20111026 21:04:21< vultraz> I'm guessing first I must upgrade to OS X 10.7 so I can get that thing so I can compile trunk wesnoth? 
20111026 21:04:39< Espreon> Maybe.
20111026 21:04:43< shadowmaster> I don't know what Mac OS X has to do with anything.
20111026 21:05:38< Espreon> He's probably talking about XCode.
20111026 21:06:31 * vultraz thinks so
20111026 21:08:48< vultraz> so do you need an account anywhere (beside sourseforge?)
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20111026 21:09:04< anonymissimus> vultraz: afaik alarantalara has a working build system so you can at least expect teh project files to be up tp date
20111026 21:09:25< anonymissimus> vultraz: you at first dont need an account at all
20111026 21:09:41< anonymissimus> you need an account only for commit access, but not for patches
20111026 21:11:38< vultraz> there's a difference? [/noob_question]
20111026 21:12:33< anonymissimus> vultraz: don't you have an account at the UMC repo ? the wesnoth main repo works almost the same
20111026 21:13:07< vultraz> yeah I do
20111026 21:13:56< vultraz> Unless I'm lost......I thought you committed patches to bugs.
20111026 21:13:58< happygrue_> shadowmaster: thanks!
20111026 21:14:03< anonymissimus> it's both svn and you use either snv or git or some other VCS to make your commits there; you can use exactly the same in teh same way for wesnoth, they're both svn repositories
20111026 21:14:39< Jozrael> Which is considered more canon:
20111026 21:14:45< Jozrael> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Timeline_of_Wesnoth#200-350_YW:_The_Golden_Age_of_Wesnoth or the HttT story text?
20111026 21:15:07< Jozrael> My understanding of that wiki page implies that the war started 30 years into garard II's reign, not 27/28
20111026 21:15:09< vultraz> anonymissimus: ok
20111026 21:15:26< shadowmaster> vultraz: gna.org, not sourceforge, by the way
20111026 21:15:53< zookeeper> Jozrael, whichever is decreed canon if we need to do so
20111026 21:15:59< zookeeper> i don't know why there's a mismatch
20111026 21:16:15< vultraz> shadowmaster: do I'd need a GNA account....?
20111026 21:16:58< shadowmaster> Potentially. I feel better merging patches from people with a valid account.
20111026 21:17:01< Jozrael> Okee - I'm just doing a first pass over vodot's work atm and just factchecking it.
20111026 21:17:07< Jozrael> Which would you like me to go with for the moment?
20111026 21:17:27< shadowmaster> (I also feel better merging patches from people who can provide a valid real name in the credits instead of just a user handle, but that's just me.)
20111026 21:17:29< Jozrael> (just so I know what to reference for future mismatches as well)
20111026 21:17:44< CIA-64> espreon * r51661 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/05_Invaders.cfg: Allow undo move to village if the village has already been cleared or if no bandits are spawned.
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20111026 21:28:01< Espreon> Lovely, my recall lists for THoT somehow got obliterated.
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20111026 21:30:01< ancestral> shadowmaster: Forums link is broken in the web site masthead 
20111026 21:30:42< shadowmaster> it works for me
20111026 21:31:12< ancestral> When I click on it it tries to go to http://forums.wesnoth.org
20111026 21:31:32< shadowmaster> and that URL works for me too
20111026 21:31:45< ancestral> Interesting, works on my phone but not on this computer
20111026 21:31:45< shadowmaster> the link actually says: <a href="http://forums.wesnoth.org/">Forums</a>
20111026 21:31:51< ancestral> Yes, yes
20111026 21:31:53< Espreon> And it appears that moving my leader off and back on the keep fixes it...
20111026 21:31:55< Espreon> Hmm...
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20111026 21:32:23< ancestral> And now it works. Hmm.
20111026 21:34:00< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug 18425
20111026 21:34:00< wesbot> anonymissimus: Are you sure with that number?  Please check again...
20111026 21:34:15< Espreon> Hmmm, no, it's just a matter of the cursor not being on the castle...
20111026 21:34:23< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug 18524
20111026 21:34:24< wesbot> Bug #18524  Assigned to: Thonsew <thonsew>  Status: Fixed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20111026 21:34:25< Espreon> Well, it still pisses me off.
20111026 21:34:27< wesbot> Summary: [replace_map] doesn't force window repainting
20111026 21:34:29< wesbot> Original submission: If you replace the map dynamically via [replace_map] and 
20111026 21:34:32< wesbot> the new map is smaller than the old one, the old will still be displayed behind 
20111026 21:34:35< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?18524
20111026 21:35:30 * anonymissimus feels reliefed to not having caused a carryover bug ;)
20111026 21:37:50< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug 18017
20111026 21:37:51< wesbot> Bug #18017  Assigned to: Thonsew <thonsew>  Status: Fixed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20111026 21:37:54< wesbot> Summary: FADE_TO_BLACK/FADE_IN and local time of day lighting do not play nicely
20111026 21:37:57< wesbot> Original submission: Whenever FADE_TO_BLACK/FADE_IN are used on a map with tim
20111026 21:38:00< wesbot> e_areas while local time of day lighting is enabled, any parts of the map that h
20111026 21:38:03< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?18017
20111026 21:38:06< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/bugs/download.php?file_id=13746
20111026 21:43:42< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug 18495
20111026 21:43:43< wesbot> Bug #18495  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20111026 21:43:43< wesbot> Summary: Villager's defense animation gets swapped with that of the Goblin Pillager; corrupted replays
20111026 21:43:46< wesbot> Original submission: In Liberty, sometimes, when a Goblin Pillager attacks a V
20111026 21:43:49< wesbot> illager (the neutral version of a Thug), the Vilager's defense animation gets sw
20111026 21:43:52< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?18495
20111026 21:43:54< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/bugs/download.php?file_id=13851
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20111026 22:35:56< CIA-64> espreon * r51662 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/06_High_Pass.cfg: Give Ratheln the loyalty icon after the hero icon is removed from him.
20111026 22:37:28< anonymissimus> wesbot: topic
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20111026 22:38:52< Crendgrim> how high is the chance that at the end of this year 1.10 is already released?
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20111026 22:41:11< anonymissimus> IIRWIIR, but my personal expectation and hope is that it lasts much longer
20111026 22:41:44< anonymissimus> a sort-of deadline is probably the start of next GSoC
20111026 22:43:30< shadowmaster>  at the current rate 1.10 bbefore January is over sounds likely
20111026 22:45:54< Crendgrim> alright
20111026 22:46:12< Crendgrim> so it's still quite probably that 1.8 will still be stable in January?
20111026 22:47:05< shadowmaster> depends on whether you opt for an optimistic approach or a pessimistic one
20111026 22:47:32< Jozrael> Another lore q: relating to garard, eldred/asheviere, delfador, and konrad, what does the term 'loyalist' refer to?
20111026 22:47:37< shadowmaster> or a realistic one like I just did
20111026 22:47:42< Crendgrim> okay..
20111026 22:47:44< Crendgrim> thanks
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20111026 22:52:30< anonymissimus> it is unlikely that the  current bugfixing rate holds; the more difficult stuff is postponed
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20111026 23:00:45< anonymissimus> do you remember the "Toll Collect" project in Germany, Crendgrim ? that's the software used for the truck toll on highways
20111026 23:01:06< anonymissimus> they finally delivered it 2 years after they should have or so^^
20111026 23:01:39< Crendgrim> yeah, I remember
20111026 23:02:13< Crendgrim> we had a good laugh when there was a report on that in our local newspaper
20111026 23:02:27< Crendgrim> but a better example might be Duke Nukem Forever
20111026 23:03:54< anonymissimus> but, thats the better news, after these additional years the software does actually work
20111026 23:04:45< Crendgrim> :)
20111026 23:05:47< Crendgrim> well, neki wanted me to create a map picker add-on for his tournament, so I wanted to know which version is more likely to be the one to be used then.
20111026 23:18:32< anonymissimus> Gambit: can you give me some hints how I use wesnothd for a "private server" instead of the official server ?
20111026 23:19:02< Gambit> Just compile it and start it?
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20111026 23:20:47< anonymissimus> don't you start it via titlescreen>mutiplayer>host networked game ?
20111026 23:21:54< Gambit> I think that causes Wesnoth to reap it when closed.
20111026 23:22:47< shadowmaster> it causes Wesnoth to start it with a configuration set that makes it terminate itself after a long time without activity
20111026 23:22:57< shadowmaster> a long time without activity being around a minute without any users
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20111026 23:23:14< anonymissimus> I have started ine server with one BfW instance, how do I connect with another one to it ?
20111026 23:23:22< anonymissimus> theres no option for it
20111026 23:23:31< Gambit> connect to server-> localhost
20111026 23:23:33< shadowmaster> from the same machine, use localhost as the server address
20111026 23:23:41< anonymissimus> and note that I'm trying on windows so there may well be some win only bugs
20111026 23:24:18< shadowmaster> the option has been there for ages and if it didn't work on Windows we'd have filed bugs, don't you think?
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20111026 23:26:35< Gambit> multiplayer->connect to server->type an address
20111026 23:27:47< anonymissimus> yes, thx first test worked
20111026 23:27:53< anonymissimus> also with debug mode
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20111026 23:33:14< anonymissimus> can this "configuration set" be set somehow and where ?
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20111026 23:44:53< anonymissimus> maybe "localhost" should be put into the list of available servers
20111026 23:45:01< anonymissimus> then I wouldnt have needed to ask
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