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20111024 05:13:02< AI0867> whoah
20111024 05:13:12< AI0867> ^nvm that
20111024 05:13:23< AI0867> noy: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Eastern_History
20111024 05:13:48< AI0867> very unfinished, but it includes some information on the khalifate
20111024 05:16:25< vultraz> interesting
20111024 05:17:50< vultraz> but if that's what's east, and the northlands are (obviously) north, what's south
20111024 05:19:56< AI0867> dunno =P
20111024 05:20:27< vultraz> :P
20111024 05:20:56< vultraz> west is teh ocean, and eventually teh Green Isle, right?
20111024 05:21:45< vultraz> the*
20111024 05:21:54< noy> AI0867: the khalifate are to the south... not the east....
20111024 05:22:17< noy> AI0867: furthermore, contact with Wesnoth is lost as soon as 127yw
20111024 05:22:20 * AI0867 remembers something different from an earlier discussion on the subject
20111024 05:22:49< noy> no, its maybe south east
20111024 05:22:53< noy> but definately to the south
20111024 05:23:10< noy> do you have a map handy?
20111024 05:23:12< AI0867> I finally decided to write it all down, partially from logs, partially from old pastebins
20111024 05:23:25< AI0867> there's a huge one linked on the wiki page
20111024 05:24:49< vultraz> O_O map is awesome
20111024 05:26:11< noy> also I might change how the Khalifate came to being
20111024 05:26:52< noy> I think the suggestion they did not come from the green isle makes sense
20111024 05:27:42< noy> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33782&start=255
20111024 05:28:35< noy> that makes more sense
20111024 05:29:10< noy> I've got to go though...
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20111024 12:48:26< vultraz> shikadibot: log HEAD
20111024 12:48:31<+shikadibot> vultraz: Revision 11374 (elvish-hunter) on Mon Oct 24 09:20:30 2011:
20111024 12:48:35<+shikadibot> vultraz: WLP, [item_dialog]: take_string= and leave_string= are now mandatory, as per Espreon's request. Untested.
20111024 12:48:38<+shikadibot> vultraz: Web interface URL: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev?view=rev&revision=11374
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20111024 21:23:54< noy> AI0867: around?
20111024 21:25:07< Espreon> noy: He's probably busy doing something... if he is indeed around, but I could probably help since I'm also involved with that Eastern History stuff.
20111024 21:25:30< noy> I'd rather speak to him too
20111024 21:25:48< noy> given his comments from last night
20111024 21:26:20< Espreon> Very well.
20111024 21:38:38< AI0867> noy: here
20111024 21:40:07< noy> yeah so continuing on from our conversation from last night
20111024 21:40:32< noy> Do you have a rough map of wesnoth?
20111024 21:43:33<+CIA-83> wesnoth-umc-dev: vultraz * r11376 /trunk/NX-RPG/ (10 files in 6 dirs): NX: More of teh Great MP --> SP
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20111024 21:46:37< vultraz> Espreon: you can take a look at it...seems to be working now :D 
20111024 21:47:06< Espreon> vultraz: Talk to me about it on Thursday.
20111024 21:47:17< vultraz> kk
20111024 21:54:14< Espreon> noy: There's this: http://postimage.org/image/iz628yx2x/full/
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20111024 21:55:49< noy> yeah, see, that's not what we discussed 
20111024 21:56:46< noy> are those towns to the south of fort tahn represented in any campaign?
20111024 21:57:13< Espreon> Dunno, but the areas of interest are also on the map.
20111024 21:57:48< vultraz> humm...must rethink my unit deaths now
20111024 21:58:15< vultraz> no more player-becomes-and-enemy junk
20111024 21:59:00< noy> AI0867: basically what I had envisioned is the sandy wastes extending right to the ocean
20111024 21:59:33< noy> furthermore, as the text I posted in the Khalifate thread suggests, they migrated south to a mountain range on the far end of the desert
20111024 22:00:56< noy> that mountain range would extend east to west...from near the water to somewhere in the desert
20111024 22:01:39< AI0867> http://postimage.org/image/11ourq3hg/full/
20111024 22:02:08< noy> yeah I was referring to that map
20111024 22:02:15< noy> when was this made?
20111024 22:02:36< noy> because you or someone else showed me a draft of this
20111024 22:02:48< AI0867> I believe there was some stuff about the estmarks in our discussion
20111024 22:03:06< noy> yes
20111024 22:03:16< noy> that was where they originally came from
20111024 22:03:22< noy> but its not that important
20111024 22:03:49< noy> the heart wood and kerlath hills did not exist in our previous discussion
20111024 22:03:58< noy> or the previous map
20111024 22:04:53< AI0867> they were part of TSG, but they were added to the giant map only recently
20111024 22:05:27< noy> TSG?
20111024 22:05:50 * AI0867 points to the mountains south of the "minotaur lake", east of the sandy wastes
20111024 22:05:55< AI0867> the south guard
20111024 22:06:02< noy> Yeah I can't use those
20111024 22:06:10< noy> and I never said they would use that
20111024 22:06:38< AI0867> so, you wwant them in the kerlath hills on the west side of the desert?
20111024 22:06:56< noy> ...did you read my write up in the faction development?
20111024 22:08:08< AI0867> parts of it
20111024 22:08:14< AI0867> I was surprised to find 19 pages
20111024 22:09:03< noy> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=503997#p503997
20111024 22:09:18< AI0867> the parts that I read prior to the suggestion that they were a different group from the old continent matched my ideas fairly well
20111024 22:09:31< noy> yes
20111024 22:09:42< noy> that I haven't included 
20111024 22:09:49< noy> so the begging paragraph would be changed
20111024 22:11:06< noy> basically it would all happen to the south, not the east... 
20111024 22:23:32< noy> is there a detailed map for the south guard?
20111024 22:23:54< noy> can we remove the KErlath hills?
20111024 22:37:57< AI0867> gah
20111024 22:38:04< AI0867> spent the last 20 minutes getting my internet back online
20111024 22:38:58< AI0867> I wanted to ask, would it be reasonable to place some of the khalifa on the eastern edge of the desert?
20111024 22:39:35< noy> I'd rather it to be to the south
20111024 22:39:50< noy> because that way we can make a clear geographic separation
20111024 22:39:55< AI0867> I don't mean all of them, just some of the outer tribes
20111024 22:40:29< noy> for what reason
20111024 22:40:33< AI0867> I need *something* to occupy the area around the yellowgrass plain
20111024 22:40:56< AI0867> that and I've already written them in, though it wouldn't be too much effort to relocate thingss
20111024 22:42:15< noy> I don't see this yellow grass plains
20111024 22:42:54< noy> ah
20111024 22:43:01< noy> found it
20111024 22:43:06< noy> this is what I suggest...
20111024 22:44:03< noy> first off trithia and minotaur lake?
20111024 22:44:18< noy> are they established anywhere?
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20111024 22:51:45< AI_Android> this is getting unbearable...
20111024 22:52:58< AI0867> and I'm back...
20111024 22:53:16< AI0867> that part of thee map is based on my own maps
20111024 22:53:17< noy> okay...
20111024 22:53:44< noy> because I really want to make a huge geographic separation
20111024 22:53:56< noy> there is nothing wrong with "having nothing there"
20111024 22:54:03< AI0867> basically, triththa was originally illegally occupied by dwarves from firecloud peak, (see TRoW for the treaty), then firecloud peak was overrun
20111024 22:56:08< noy> is this map open for changes?
20111024 22:56:34< AI0867> it's being produced in a thread in the art workshop
20111024 22:57:09< noy> okay, I don't think they can be to the east
20111024 22:57:40< noy> What I'd like is this: 
20111024 22:57:55< noy> #1 a mountain range along the bottom of the map
20111024 22:58:52< noy> that can extend to the hills to the south west of Minotaur lake... but I'd like the desert to extend to the lake too
20111024 22:59:16< noy> Second the Kerlath hills should be pared back  and the desert extended to the forest 
20111024 23:00:17< AI0867> noy: the desert extend to which lake/
20111024 23:00:44< noy> #3 and lastly the desert moved right up to the estmark hills and bitter swamp
20111024 23:00:58< noy> right up to minotaur
20111024 23:01:09< AI0867> I'm not sure how that would work, considering the kerlath hills are the water source of the forest
20111024 23:01:43< noy> well more the section above it the name kerlath
20111024 23:01:44< AI0867> http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=31838 <-- the thread
20111024 23:02:00< AI0867> so, to the dulatus hills?
20111024 23:02:03< noy> they don't seem to be *that* functional
20111024 23:02:34< noy> also the Heart river can extend into the wastes... which could be pared back a bit
20111024 23:02:45< noy> The Wastes should really be a desert.
20111024 23:04:15< AI0867> could you post your requests in the thread? I'm not sure if I'm the right way to transfer them.
20111024 23:04:51< noy> I'll tell him directly
20111024 23:05:16< noy> what is the canon source for minotaur lake?
20111024 23:07:05< AI0867> ?
20111024 23:07:16< shadowmaster> AI0867: should I make that guy a Forum Regular? :po
20111024 23:07:18< AI0867> everything east of wesnoth is UMC
20111024 23:07:37< noy> Okay... I'd almost suggest that it gets buldozed and its a maaaasssive desert
20111024 23:07:58< AI0867> south is TSG, north is SotBE, but again, only the western parts
20111024 23:09:02< AI0867> shadowmaster: eliddell? sounds reasonable
20111024 23:09:39< AI0867> noy: http://postimage.org/image/25xs41mtg/full/
20111024 23:09:48< AI0867> that's south of the previous map
20111024 23:11:08< noy> did he do that?
20111024 23:11:27< noy> and did it get changed because of TSG?
20111024 23:12:22< AI0867> TSG is to the north of it
20111024 23:17:13< AI0867> note that some of the cities there are named as possible khalifate cities
20111024 23:18:25< noy> I noticed them
20111024 23:18:28< noy> I liked that part
20111024 23:19:16< AI0867> Ravanal is still referred to as the Eastern Sorceror, but that can be changed
20111024 23:19:49< AI0867> though he might come from an eastern frontier city
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20111024 23:34:21< AI0867> now, I've written the origin of the eventide as a group of people that split off from the rest of the tribes somewhere in the 300s because of increasing aggression against their use of magic
20111024 23:34:36< AI0867> thing is, they end up *north* of triththa
20111024 23:35:13< AI0867> previously, that was quite reachable, but now I'm not so sure
20111024 23:35:25< AI0867> where do you think the closest Taifas would be?
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20111024 23:40:40< noy> well it depends how the map is remade
20111024 23:41:20< noy> probably where the hills directly south of minotaur is made
20111024 23:41:34< noy> *minotaur is ... sorry
20111024 23:41:55< AI0867> I can work with that
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