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20111003 01:35:53< cz1stf> Hi, has anyone else problems with resolving the wesnoth.org domain name?
20111003 01:35:58< riel> you can connect directly to 65.18.193.12
20111003 01:36:20< cz1stf> But only to the main page
20111003 01:36:28< shadowmaster> see the first link in the topic
20111003 01:37:42< cz1stf> Is there any other way to display wesnoth wiki?
20111003 01:40:22< shadowmaster> unless there's some unofficial mirror elsewhere or you can get a copy from services like Google's cache, nope
20111003 01:40:25< cz1stf> Hmm, ok, sorry, I didn't pay attention to everything
20111003 01:42:03< cz1stf> I go play with routerboard DNS settings
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20111003 01:57:45< cz1stf> Thanks, I added all into routerboard static dns and it works now, except servers 2 and 3
20111003 02:00:25< shadowmaster> server2 is gonzo.dicp.de and server3 is basilic.tuxfamily.org
20111003 02:02:20< cz1stf> Thanks, I will add them too, for future
20111003 02:03:53< shadowmaster> well, this isn't really expected to happen in the future, and it's possible servers move in the meantime, which happens to be precisely why we normally rely on the server2.wesnoth.org and server3.wesnoth.org CNAME pointers :(
20111003 02:07:04< cz1stf> I see, on the other hand, I will disable them in my local net when the DNS record will be fixed
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20111003 02:07:33< riel> the server is emptying out good
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20111003 02:10:14< Johannes13> ok, what is the ip for addons.wesnoth.org
20111003 02:10:17< Johannes13> ?
20111003 02:10:59< cz1stf> 65.18.193.12
20111003 02:11:17< cz1stf> but it's not reachable by IP address
20111003 02:11:52< Johannes13> so I have to add it to /etc/hosts
20111003 02:11:55< Johannes13> fine
20111003 02:11:58< cz1stf> yes
20111003 02:12:04< Johannes13> np
20111003 02:12:26< shadowmaster> unless you are using the web interface, connecting to that address from the game client should work, actually
20111003 02:12:31< cz1stf> or when you have local router with dns, you can add it there for all your network
20111003 02:12:51< Johannes13> have no access there..
20111003 02:13:03< Johannes13> and /etc/hosts is fine for now..
20111003 02:13:23< cz1stf> Hopefully it will be solved soon
20111003 02:13:51< Johannes13> yeah
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20111003 02:14:21< Johannes13> if it would be a "it's forever" then I'll think about setting up an dns server :)
20111003 02:14:40< Johannes13> and to what dns is the multiplayer trying to connect?
20111003 02:14:56< Johannes13> addons is add-ons.wesnoth.org
20111003 02:15:31< riel> 65.18.193.12 server.wesnoth.org
20111003 02:15:52< Johannes13> thx
20111003 02:16:20< Johannes13> ofc I could try to look it up anyhow, but this is just quicker :P
20111003 02:16:35< Johannes13> ehh..
20111003 02:17:34< Johannes13> and I try to make a life version of wesnoth (running from cd in my school). Should just work fine if installed with userdata under ~?
20111003 02:18:45< cz1stf> Just install it locally in ~
20111003 02:19:55< cz1stf> It should work, I have 3 versions and all work fine, one in ~/opt, second in ~/ third is global
20111003 02:20:35< cz1stf> All you need is to make link to the executable
20111003 02:21:46< cz1stf> Well, it should work in any directory, but you need to specify it's directory at installation time
20111003 02:23:11< cz1stf> I think /media/wesnoth is good one to try (and naming the CD wesnoth later, so it is utomatically mounted as /media/wesnoth)
20111003 02:23:33< Johannes13> on school I just have win xp
20111003 02:23:49< Johannes13> And I want to play with my classmates via lan
20111003 02:24:30< Johannes13> I don't have much usb devices (I have 1), so I create a share
20111003 02:24:44< cz1stf> I am not sure, but windows should be ok when all needed libraries are in the installation directory
20111003 02:24:56< VurtualRuler98> windows always checks the program dir first
20111003 02:24:58< Johannes13> I'm not allowed to put *.exe files in my home directory
20111003 02:24:59< VurtualRuler98> THEN uses system libraries
20111003 02:25:02< VurtualRuler98> but everyone knows that
20111003 02:25:36< Johannes13> yeah, causes many bugs (and dll planting attacks)
20111003 02:25:48< shadowmaster> actually, if you wrap wesnoth in an external script, as of 1.9.x you should be able to override the compiled-in preferences dir and data dir paths
20111003 02:26:17< shadowmaster> that appears to work with 1.8 as well
20111003 02:26:46< cz1stf> It works already from 1.4 or 1.6 when I remember correctly
20111003 02:27:10< VurtualRuler98> the entire reason behind things like program files being a mostly-static and superuser-write-only directory
20111003 02:27:11< shadowmaster> the preferences dir could not be overridden in those
20111003 02:27:57< VurtualRuler98> something some people magically override, and others don't, then everyone complains about.
20111003 02:29:55< cz1stf> in both 1.4 and 1.6 you can use --config-dir as wesnoth parameter
20111003 02:30:03< Johannes13> shadowmaster: If I install wesnoth with seperate user dirs for every account then it will store it in my home dir (on the server, and that is just fain)
20111003 02:30:05< cz1stf> same as with 1.8
20111003 02:30:38< Johannes13> *fein
20111003 02:31:20< cz1stf> I am always using one install with 2 separate config directories, one for normal playing with many addons (and slow loading) and other for testing with fast loading
20111003 02:31:26< shadowmaster> Johannes13: only if you specified the preferences dir as an absolute path at compile-time, I think
20111003 02:32:07< cz1stf> no, you can use --config-dir ~/.wesnoth-test (for example)
20111003 02:32:07< shadowmaster> or perhaps there's something else I didn't quite understand? :)
20111003 02:32:13< Johannes13> if you use the offical installer, it gives you 2 options: store it in the programm directory
20111003 02:32:22< Johannes13> or save it in the user directory
20111003 02:32:52< shadowmaster> ah, the Windows package
20111003 02:33:03< cz1stf> If you ue user directory, you can use --config-dir to override it
20111003 02:33:09< Johannes13> I got the problem that on a 2nd workstation wesnoth starts but then it hang up
20111003 02:33:12< cz1stf> use*
20111003 02:34:05< cz1stf> It works for windows too, as I know someone else was using it on windows too
20111003 02:34:22< Johannes13> are any libs installed with the installer?
20111003 02:34:40< Johannes13> (that are not placed in the wesnoth dir)
20111003 02:35:04 * shadowmaster hasn't used the windows package since 2006.
20111003 02:35:57< cz1stf> I am on linux from 1.4, last I used windows was 1.2 with windows 98 se
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20111003 02:43:42< Dislycan> dammit, I still can't connect to the multiplayer server
20111003 02:43:56< Dislycan> is that related to the DNS issue
20111003 02:44:33< cz1stf> yes, add it locally
20111003 02:44:51< Dislycan> yeah I just connected
20111003 02:45:00< Dislycan> guess I won't be playing anyone online in my weird gametypes though
20111003 02:45:03< Dislycan> since nobody's on
20111003 02:45:07< cz1stf> make record 65.18.193.12 for server.wesnoth.org
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20111003 02:53:31< Johannes13> Dislycan: what gametype?
20111003 02:53:50< Dislycan> usually I play SXC, or try to do labyrinth of champions
20111003 02:53:58< Johannes13> SXC?
20111003 02:54:03< Dislycan> RPG mod
20111003 02:54:11< Johannes13> sounds cool
20111003 02:54:22< Johannes13> I like rpg
20111003 02:54:32< Johannes13> ok, wait a sec.. I'll join
20111003 02:54:33< Dislycan> I'm fairly terrible at the standard game, so I tend to just play the mods
20111003 02:54:41< Johannes13> yeah, same here
20111003 02:54:59< riel> SXC takes too long, but I'd join a 3-player gladiator game
20111003 02:55:12< Dislycan> i was thinking High Seas personally
20111003 02:55:17< Dislycan> also SXC always ends in tears
20111003 02:55:20< Johannes13> ok, I'll play gladiator
20111003 02:55:29< Dislycan> I'll bite, never tried gladiator
20111003 02:55:33< riel> I fear a high seas won't finish before some time tomorrow morning
20111003 02:55:36< Dislycan> takes forever, then everyone ends up getting swarmed and dying
20111003 02:55:43< Dislycan> SXC does I mean
20111003 02:56:05< riel> the gladiator game is winnable and takes a vaguely reasonable amount of time
20111003 02:56:19< riel> it's like SXC, but a little more controlled
20111003 02:56:24< Dislycan> sounds fun
20111003 02:56:32< Dislycan> I just like SXC because you can be an unstoppable killing machine
20111003 02:56:40< cz1stf> I am working on SXC but I am now too bussy in life
20111003 02:56:47< Dislycan> haven't figured out what the best units to use are though
20111003 02:56:53< Dislycan> I imagine some are more OP than others
20111003 02:56:58< riel> I've finished SXC once or twice, but that was 4 years ago I think
20111003 02:57:03< riel> and it cost me most of the night's sleep
20111003 02:57:05< Dislycan> for instance, dwarves seem to get good movement/resistances for everything
20111003 02:57:05< cz1stf> But winter is coming so I will have more time soon again
20111003 02:57:08< Johannes13> best units: bersek dawf
20111003 02:57:12< Dislycan> really now
20111003 02:57:19< Johannes13> elvish shaman
20111003 02:57:24< Johannes13> black mage
20111003 02:57:32< Johannes13> and ghost
20111003 02:57:38< Dislycan> Imma go host an SXC so I can figure this stuff out
20111003 02:57:40< Johannes13> (but ghost is just op)
20111003 02:57:48< Johannes13> on gladiator
20111003 02:57:50< Dislycan> oh
20111003 02:58:07< riel> which server are you guys on?
20111003 02:58:11< Dislycan> main one
20111003 02:58:13< cz1stf> at the moment, it's not balanced yet
20111003 02:58:17< Johannes13> 65.18.193.12
20111003 02:58:21< Dislycan> what, SXC?
20111003 02:58:25< cz1stf> yep
20111003 02:58:25< Johannes13> it's the official
20111003 02:58:30< Dislycan> I still can't beat any of the campaigns
20111003 02:58:31< riel> I'm there, only see vvd and wkl in the lobby (and myself)
20111003 02:58:43< riel> and everybody observing the WC
20111003 02:58:43< Dislycan> get swarmed somewhere around turn 40 and everyone dies
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20111003 02:58:52< Dislycan> is there a point where leaders will stop recruiting in SXC?
20111003 02:58:56< riel> gladiator is good in the swarming thing too :)
20111003 02:58:57< Johannes13> what is sxc?
20111003 02:59:06< riel> survival extreme
20111003 02:59:08< riel> I think
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20111003 02:59:17< cz1stf> Leaders are always recruiting when they have gold
20111003 02:59:20< Dislycan> 'cause I can't beat any of them, due to the AI just constantly sending streams of units
20111003 02:59:34< Gambit> You're going shopping to get a stronger leader right?
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20111003 02:59:41< Dislycan> do they run out ever? :V
20111003 02:59:49< Gambit> You have to keep getting stronger and stronger and stronger until you can handle that
20111003 02:59:53< Gambit> They have a *lot* of gold
20111003 02:59:55< cz1stf> Well, it needs to use good tactics, but it can be beaten even at mad
20111003 02:59:55< Dislycan> oh
20111003 03:00:09< Dislycan> so you just have to be patient, essentially
20111003 03:00:09< riel> gladiator is similar
20111003 03:00:16< Gambit> And IIRC the leaders themselves are modified to have a ton of health
20111003 03:00:17< riel> first wave is 3 level 0 units per player
20111003 03:00:24< riel> later waves you end up with 7 level 3/4 units :)
20111003 03:00:33< Dislycan> yeah the leaders and minibosses tend to have way too much health <_<
20111003 03:00:36< Dislycan> in a good way
20111003 03:00:42< riel> but no bosses like SX
20111003 03:00:47< Gambit> You're playing with friends right?
20111003 03:00:49< cz1stf> Do you want try?
20111003 03:01:13< riel> someone will have to create a game, because I don't have any of these maps downloaded here :)
20111003 03:01:20< Dislycan> I'm down to try and play
20111003 03:01:27< Gambit> Because it'll probably go faster with a team :)
20111003 03:01:30< Dislycan> altohugh someone else will have to host
20111003 03:01:41< cz1stf> I can host
20111003 03:01:50< Dislycan> k
20111003 03:02:02< riel> I'd prefer gladiator, so I can get some sleep tonight :)
20111003 03:02:05< riel> SX takes many hours
20111003 03:03:06< cz1stf> This one can take 2 or 3 hours
20111003 03:03:19< riel> that's too much, I should sleep in an hour or two
20111003 03:03:57< cz1stf> Me too, but why not try to make record?
20111003 03:04:32< Dislycan> yeah, we can always just try and see how far we can get
20111003 03:06:18< Johannes13> Dislycan: are you called Dislycan ingame as well?
20111003 03:06:23< Dislycan> I'm Buzzard in game
20111003 03:06:29< Johannes13> ahh, ok
20111003 03:06:58< Johannes13> ok, we need 1 more player
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20111003 04:39:32< Johannes13> sometimes I hate it.. when it crashes...
20111003 04:39:46< Johannes13> I just don't give up
20111003 04:39:58< Johannes13> or should I if wesnoth freezes?
20111003 04:41:31< Espreon> If you're using HEAD, just give up.™
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20111003 04:42:29< Espreon> Johannes13_: 04:41 < Espreon> If you're using HEAD, just give up.™
20111003 04:42:51< Johannes13_> I use WESNOTH
20111003 04:42:55< Johannes13_> so no?
20111003 04:43:11< Espreon> ...
20111003 04:43:36< Espreon> What I meant to say is that if you're using 1.9.9+svn, just give up.
20111003 04:43:37< Johannes13_> ok, the problem occurs if I try to select a unit
20111003 04:43:50< Johannes13_> mhh..
20111003 04:43:57< Johannes13_> I could give it a try
20111003 04:44:17< Espreon> Don't think about using 1.9.9+svn.
20111003 04:44:23< Espreon> It'll bring you pain and suffering.
20111003 04:44:32< Johannes13_> sounds like fun
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20111003 04:47:48< Espreon> Suit yourself.
20111003 04:48:34< Johannes13> why can I only remove 1 add on at a time?
20111003 04:48:50< Johannes13> currently my add ons are bloated
20111003 04:49:09< Johannes13> and then it have to rebuild the entire stuff
20111003 04:49:31< Johannes13> ok, I'll do it by hand
20111003 04:49:33< Espreon> Then remove them manually till someone makes it possible to remove more than one add-on at once.
20111003 04:49:36< Espreon> Yes.
20111003 04:49:37< shadowmaster> because I've been slacking off
20111003 04:54:20< Johannes13> any way to reach the players and tell them how to connect to the server?
20111003 04:56:04< Gambit> They can follow us on the tweeter
20111003 04:56:28< Johannes13> then you should announce that you have a twitter acc
20111003 04:56:34< Gambit> We did.
20111003 04:56:50< Gambit> A big forum announcement. It was also on the homepage.
20111003 04:56:57< Gambit> And every tweet gets announced in here.
20111003 04:57:33< Gambit> Johannes13: http://twitter.com/#!/WesnothOrg
20111003 04:57:52< shadowmaster> where "we" obviously includes me, as I am the owner of the account.
20111003 05:01:54< Dislycan> lol
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20111003 05:15:03< janebot> Twitter: @WesnothOrg: @K_burnsonfire Aw shucks. [ Oct-03-2011 03:14 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/6av6rvo ]
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20111003 05:34:19< Johannes13> ns1.jexiste.fr has the info for wesnoth.org
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20111003 05:36:54< shadowmaster> yeah, it's had it since a while
20111003 05:37:31< Johannes13> is it now spreading or is this server just late?
20111003 05:38:57< shadowmaster> it is theoretically propagating across the globe, although I can't see any evidence of that which makes me suspect there's something fishy with jexiste
20111003 05:40:22< shadowmaster> and I still get non-existent domain errors both from the Netherlands and Chile
20111003 05:40:39< Gambit> http://www.whatsmydns.net/
20111003 05:40:43< Gambit> It's apparently nowhere.
20111003 05:41:37< shadowmaster> uhm, neat
20111003 05:42:11< shadowmaster> I suppose that queries only the DNS root servers, though
20111003 05:42:35< shadowmaster> so... no way to find out how a chinese crawler is still accessing our forums?
20111003 05:43:28< Gambit> Maybe it looks up and saves the IP to speed up future crawls
20111003 05:44:04< shadowmaster> that won't... work correctly at all with some web hosting providers, including NFSN
20111003 05:44:24< VurtualRuler98> chinese alchemy
20111003 05:44:26< shadowmaster> at least not if it really caches the responses for so long
20111003 05:44:29< Johannes13> http://www.preshweb.co.uk/cgi-bin/dns-propagation-tracker.pl?domain=wesnoth.org&type=A&serversmode=random&servers=&nsdomain=
20111003 05:44:33< VurtualRuler98> alternately it somehow found your site and is stuck in a loop on it somehow
20111003 05:45:38< Gambit> Awww why is that one pointing at 92.242.140.30
20111003 05:46:30< Johannes13> yeah, got the same result from my router
20111003 05:46:41< Gambit> And one to 67.215.65.132
20111003 05:46:45< Johannes13> Addresses:  80.156.86.78, 62.157.140.133
20111003 05:46:46< Gambit> Bah they're all either dead or wrong.
20111003 05:46:50< shadowmaster> Gambit: resolve 67.215.65.132
20111003 05:46:57< shadowmaster> shadowm@reicore:~/src/wesnoth$ host 67.215.65.132
20111003 05:46:57< shadowmaster> 132.65.215.67.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer hit-nxdomain.opendns.com.
20111003 05:47:12< shadowmaster> I hope I don't need to explain any further.
20111003 05:47:22< Gambit> Yep. You do.
20111003 05:47:34< shadowmaster> it's an nxdomain redirector
20111003 05:47:47< shadowmaster> opendns apparently tampers with responses for inexistent domains
20111003 05:48:13< Gambit> Sends you to parking/ad domains?
20111003 05:48:14< Gambit> Lame.
20111003 05:48:39< shadowmaster> it sends you to a web search page, actually
20111003 05:48:47< Gambit> Still, I guess they gotta pay the bi- a what?
20111003 05:48:55< shadowmaster> it searches for the stuff in the domain name requested
20111003 05:49:00< Johannes13> ohh... yeah, the same thing does my internet provider
20111003 05:49:18< shadowmaster> so, if you are using opendns and you type "gambit.must.die.net", you'll be redirected to a search for "gambit must die"
20111003 05:49:27< Johannes13> that's why I use google
20111003 05:49:43< Johannes13> I hate this thing
20111003 05:50:02< Johannes13> does not even work correct for mail etc
20111003 05:52:42< shadowmaster> oh, http://www.whatsmydns.net doesn't query root servers
20111003 05:52:58< shadowmaster> I didn't notice the awfully-hard-to-read labels to the right of the location names
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20111003 07:23:03< neofutur> hi all, DNS is still down ? been days
20111003 07:23:32< shadowmaster> two days, I think
20111003 07:24:38< neofutur> I can provide 3 dns servers in 3 different datacenters if needed
20111003 07:28:11< neofutur> could work within 2 or 3 hours
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20111003 08:15:22< Cyber_Rock> excuse me but where can i  find the information of era and faction which a unit belongs to
20111003 08:15:35< Cyber_Rock> i am searching for ancient lich
20111003 08:16:48< zookeeper> it belongs to any era which happens to use it. no mainline eras do.
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20111003 08:18:34< Cyber_Rock> thank you very much
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20111003 08:42:21< Cyber_Rock> i can't seem to find pinpoint which faction or era ancient lich belongs to. can anyone help.
20111003 08:42:48< VurtualRuler98> don't they go with other lichen?
20111003 08:43:09< zookeeper> Cyber_Rock, so you want to find eras which use it?
20111003 08:44:34< Dislycan> lol I'm soloing an SXC campaign
20111003 08:44:46< Cyber_Rock> i think i have it in ageless era but i can't seem to find it in selection, i don't even know which unit advances to become an ancient lich because in unit description it does not have any preceeder
20111003 08:44:53< Dislycan> I got all the way to the drake boss at the end, and every turn the drakes get, my client locks up for like 15-20 minutes trying to path out the units
20111003 08:45:42< Dislycan> I should probably end this soon or clear out the drake units before it ends up crashing the entire client
20111003 08:48:01< zookeeper> Cyber_Rock, nothing advances to it by default. if an era wants to have liches advance to ancient liches, they need to do so in a different manner.
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20111003 08:55:18< Cyber_Rock> thanks again zookeeper
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20111003 10:44:50< landscape69> hi, could it be that the server is down?
20111003 10:45:07< landscape69> i can joint to any on the 3 server 
20111003 10:45:15< landscape69> cant join*
20111003 10:46:14< landscape69> i get only the message: "could not connect to host"
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20111003 10:47:39< landscape69> ah i see DNS problem again :(9
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20111003 18:42:03< Dislycan> we have any idea how long the DNS issue will last?
20111003 18:42:15< Dislycan> I wanna be able to play people online, but I can't do that if nobody's on <_<
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20111003 18:44:01< Johannes13> what about waiting 5 min? people are playing, and not watching the chat
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20111003 18:46:48< Mkaysi|ZNC> Can someone who is server admin mention DNS issues in motd?
20111003 18:48:07< Johannes13> why? people that can connect know the issue and people that wonders why they can't connect don't see the motd
20111003 18:50:26< Mkaysi|ZNC> Johannes13: I have seen at least three messages asking why the server is so empty during this day in #wesnoth-mp-lobby-stable 
20111003 18:50:44< Mkaysi|ZNC> I think that some people have DNS cache or something which allows them to connect
20111003 18:51:10< Johannes13> ok.. I see
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20111003 18:52:52< antty> Hello
20111003 18:53:35< rork> hi
20111003 18:53:45< antty> wesnoth died :c
20111003 18:53:58< rork> why?
20111003 18:54:17< antty> I just found the server, nevermind. Took awhile considering the website is down too
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20111003 18:56:13< Mkaysi|ZNC> antty: http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/204-Wesnoth.org-DNS-issues.html'
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20111003 19:10:17< KingJohnVI> hello all, anyone here?
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20111003 19:10:37< KingJohnVI> Is the Wesnoth Server down?
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20111003 19:11:27< KingJohnVI> Is anyone on here at the moment?
20111003 19:11:47< Soliton> see the topic.
20111003 19:12:15< KingJohnVI> ah
20111003 19:12:29< KingJohnVI> do you know what is going on with it?
20111003 19:13:37< Soliton> with what?
20111003 19:16:51< KingJohnVI> I am reaing the Admin stuff now
20111003 19:17:04< KingJohnVI> This is very odd
20111003 19:17:16< KingJohnVI> This could kill wesnoth :/
20111003 19:17:44< KingJohnVI> Like 1% of people check an IRC site to figure out what is going on with a game
20111003 19:18:09< KingJohnVI> I hope it is fixed soon
20111003 19:19:40< Mkaysi|ZNC> KingJohnVI: http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/204-Wesnoth.org-DNS-issues.html
20111003 19:19:49< KingJohnVI> thx
20111003 19:20:06< KingJohnVI> yeah that is what I was just reading
20111003 19:20:11< Mkaysi|ZNC> Channel ops, please add that to topioc too
20111003 19:20:36< Mkaysi|ZNC> And server admins, see what I said sometime ago, <Mkaysi|ZNC> Can someone who is server admin mention DNS issues in motd?
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20111003 19:20:56< KingJohnVI> What exactly is a DNS issue?
20111003 19:21:11< KingJohnVI> I guess I don't even understand what is going on
20111003 19:21:39< KingJohnVI> what does it mean when it says "DNS is not working"
20111003 19:22:46< Soliton> Mkaysi|ZNC: it's already in the topic here. and if you want it in the motd make up a complete statement.
20111003 19:23:18< Mkaysi|ZNC> Soliton: <Mkaysi|ZNC> Johannes13: I have seen at least three messages asking why the server is so empty during this day in #wesnoth-mp-lobby-stable 
20111003 19:23:32< Mkaysi|ZNC> Soliton: Not everyone use IRC
20111003 19:23:42< KingJohnVI> very few people yeah
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20111003 19:23:54< KingJohnVI> I just got an IRC client a few weeks ago for the first time
20111003 19:23:59< Soliton> KingJohnVI: DNS is what turn wesnoth.org to its IP which you need to actually connect to it.
20111003 19:24:25< KingJohnVI> ok, so why would they have trouble fixing that problem?
20111003 19:24:31< KingJohnVI> I haven't been able to connect for days
20111003 19:24:33< Soliton> Mkaysi|ZNC: read again what i said. that's the way you can help if you want.
20111003 19:24:47< Soliton> spamming me with stuff i already read is not helping.
20111003 19:24:49< KingJohnVI> I thought the game was down permanantly or something
20111003 19:25:17< Mkaysi|ZNC> janebot: !translate en fi complete statement.
20111003 19:25:18< janebot> Mkaysi|ZNC: en to en: en fi complete statement.
20111003 19:25:29 * Mkaysi|ZNC opens Google Translate
20111003 19:25:47< Mkaysi|ZNC> Ah
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20111003 19:26:36< Soliton> DNS changes take time to propagate. so once it's fixed it still takes time until it works again for everyone.
20111003 19:26:46< KingJohnVI> hmmm
20111003 19:26:50< KingJohnVI> interesting
20111003 19:26:55< Mkaysi|ZNC> Soliton: "|| We are currently having problems with wesnoth.org, so server might be little more empty than usually. Please see http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/204-Wesnoth.org-DNS-issues.html for more information (and temporary fix)."
20111003 19:27:08< KingJohnVI> Do you know about how long that might take?
20111003 19:27:12< KingJohnVI> just curious
20111003 19:27:18< KingJohnVI> thx for all the info btw
20111003 19:27:32< Soliton> since i'm not certain whether it is already properly fixed, nope.
20111003 19:27:42< KingJohnVI> it is not already fixed
20111003 19:27:57< KingJohnVI> for sure I can tell you that becuase I tried to get there just now and couldn't :P
20111003 19:28:12< Soliton> i know but that's not what i meant.
20111003 19:28:16< KingJohnVI> oh ok
20111003 19:28:51< KingJohnVI> you mean fixed on their end so that it propogates through the interent or something?
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20111003 19:29:42< KingJohnVI> I apologize if I sound... dumb...  I just know nothing about how this stuff works lol
20111003 19:30:36< KingJohnVI> anyway thx for the info again, I hope they get it fixed soon :)
20111003 19:31:39< Soliton> Mkaysi|ZNC: thanks, should be set now.
20111003 19:31:54< Soliton> KingJohnVI: yes, that's what i meant.
20111003 19:32:07< KingJohnVI> ok thanks
20111003 19:33:05< Gambit> According to whatsmydns.net, wesnoth.org still isn't anywhere :(
20111003 19:33:40< Mkaysi|ZNC> Yes, it seems to be there now
20111003 19:33:47< Mkaysi|ZNC> Thanks Soliton :)
20111003 19:39:36< riel> I'm tempted to just register wesnoth.us and point everything at 65.18.193.12, but I suspect that wouldn't work for the web stuff anyway ;)
20111003 19:40:28< Gambit> We've got a ton of redirects and fake subdomains
20111003 19:41:18< Gambit> riel: Plus your domain would take just as long to propagate :P
20111003 19:41:48< riel> yeah, but once they fix wesnoth.org it'll only take 15 minutes to propagate
20111003 19:42:04< riel> the .org TLD updates are -fast-
20111003 19:42:29< riel> so it's either the registrar or the guy who owns wesnoth.org that need to do something, and/or did something wrong
20111003 19:42:40< Gambit> wesnoth.org has been fixed for over 24 hours
20111003 19:43:29< Gambit> janebot: !time-utc
20111003 19:43:29< janebot> Gambit: 17:43:29
20111003 19:43:32< riel> the .org TLD servers still return nxdomain for wesnoth.org dns server queries
20111003 19:43:47< Gambit> Make that 48...
20111003 19:43:59< riel> $ host -t ns wesnoth.org. b0.org.afilias-nst.org.
20111003 19:43:59< riel> Using domain server:
20111003 19:44:00< riel> Name: b0.org.afilias-nst.org.
20111003 19:44:00< riel> Address: 199.19.54.1#53
20111003 19:44:00< riel> Aliases: 
20111003 19:44:00< riel> Host wesnoth.org. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
20111003 19:44:31< Gambit> whois it
20111003 19:44:48< riel> Status:CLIENT HOLD
20111003 19:44:48< riel> Status:AUTORENEWPERIOD
20111003 19:45:08< Gambit> hmmm
20111003 19:45:23< Gambit> Last Updated date though...
20111003 19:45:36< riel> perhaps updated by the registrar?
20111003 19:45:46< riel> removing the DNS servers from the .org TLD zone for non-payment?
20111003 19:45:55< Gambit> lol
20111003 19:47:07< Gambit> Well if that's what that means, that certainly would suck.
20111003 19:47:50< Soliton> there isn't a lot else it could mean.
20111003 19:48:00< riel> does anyone know if Pierre has already renewed wesnoth.org ?
20111003 19:49:40< Soliton> not sure who that is but we emailed our contact from jexiste.
20111003 19:49:59< Soliton> i think he hasn't responded yet though.
20111003 19:50:28< riel> ok, so we can be pretty sure the problem has not been fixed, then
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20111003 19:53:38< Soliton> how long does the client hold for autorenewperiod last until someone else can get the domain?
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20111003 19:54:36< Paulus> Anyone know much about networking on ubuntu? My network connection keeps freezig
20111003 19:55:08< Paulus> and I have to restart and then it works great for a little while
20111003 19:55:19< Paulus> and then cuts out again
20111003 19:55:28< Soliton> maybe if you provide more context how that relates to wesnoth.
20111003 19:55:33< Crendgrim> Paulus: well, you may consider asking in #ubuntu ....
20111003 19:56:44< Paulus> Well it caused me to cut out completely from the wesnoth server - but I am going to ask nicely in Ubuntu channel :) ty :)
20111003 19:57:02< Soliton> well, no need then.
20111003 19:57:10< Soliton> just read the channel topic.
20111003 19:57:31< riel> Soliton: could be a month, and then the domain is up for auction
20111003 19:57:40< riel> Soliton: at which point some domainer will probably pay big bucks for it
20111003 19:58:51< Soliton> well, if it's that long we should be able to resolve the issue beforehand.
20111003 19:58:56< Mkaysi|ZNC> Wesnoth-dev MOTD doesn't have that notice, but we can probably safely expect that most users of that version use IRC.
20111003 19:59:27< riel> Soliton: assuming the owner of the domain isn't on some sailing-around-the-world year long holiday :)
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20111003 20:27:12< Soliton> DNS should be back to normal.
20111003 20:28:37< Octalot> :)
20111003 20:28:58< cz1stf> seems so
20111003 20:29:25< cz1stf> both verizon and google servers are reporting correct address
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20111003 20:40:46< riel> yeah, it's working again
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20111003 21:04:01< uncleshelby> Hello all
20111003 21:07:39< Paulus> Do we need to bother removing the details from the hosts file?
20111003 21:07:57< Paulus> Is wesnoth likely to change IP again in near future?
20111003 21:08:27< Soliton> who knows, i'd comment them out at least.
20111003 21:10:05< Crendgrim> it won't hurt to do. And while you waited for the answers here, you could have modified the file already. :p
20111003 21:14:37< Paulus> lol
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20111003 21:25:06 * uncleshelby is wondering... when? how? where?
20111003 21:27:09 * uncleshelby decided to forget about it and play wesnoth
20111003 21:27:54-!- Soliton changed the topic of #wesnoth to: Wesnoth User Channel | http://www.wesnoth.org/ | Social channel: #wesnoth-offtopic | Latest stable version: 1.8.6 | Latest development version: 1.9.9 | Public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20111003 23:15:25< janebot> Twitter: @WesnothOrg: Wesnoth.org's DNS should be fixed for real now. http://t.co/jeBina6s [ Oct-03-2011 21:12 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/3mqn9h3 ]
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20111003 23:20:49< uncleshelby> How is it decided when to update the development version of Wesnoth?
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20111003 23:23:19< shadowmaster> IIRWIIR.
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20111003 23:26:57< uncleshelby> Ah, so some divine revelation. OK.
20111003 23:28:18< shadowmaster> well, that's one possible interpretation if you prefer a theologic approach.
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20111003 23:29:13< shadowmaster> as far as I care it only depends on 1) some "appropriate" amount of time has passed since the last development release, and 2) Ivanovic has time and 3) nobody objects and there aren't any immediate blockers in the tracker
20111003 23:30:10< shadowmaster> but generally speaking, It Is Ready When Ivanovic Is Ready.
20111003 23:32:40< uncleshelby> Is Ivanovic God?
20111003 23:33:09< Gambit> I don't think he's made of spaghetti, no.
20111003 23:33:37< shadowmaster> I don't know if I'm supposed to give an answer, or what.
20111003 23:34:53< uncleshelby> shadowmaster: I don't either.
20111003 23:35:06 * uncleshelby is confused at his own words.
20111003 23:37:19< Gambit> This would be much funnier if Ivanovic were awake.
20111003 23:37:36< Gambit> Oh I know what he'd say.
20111003 23:37:43< Gambit> uncleshelby: He's just the release-bot
20111003 23:38:46< uncleshelby> He's a BOT?
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20111003 23:44:26< Ivanovic> Gambit: define "awake"
20111003 23:44:50< uncleshelby> Looks like he's not...
20111003 23:44:54< Gambit> I was too lazy to do time-zone math and saw you were away :<
20111003 23:45:28< Gambit> uncleshelby: His programmer is just that good.
20111003 23:45:35< Ivanovic> shadowm_laptop: and over the last weeks '2' and '3' were invalid
20111003 23:46:13< Ivanovic> that is: '2' is getting better every single day and might look *really* good starting with friday
20111003 23:46:23< shadowmaster> I am well aware, hence I've not been pushing for one.
20111003 23:46:25< Ivanovic> though no idea how well '3' is progressing with thonsews changes
20111003 23:46:42< shadowmaster> I certainly object to a release *right now*.
20111003 23:47:04< Ivanovic> :)
20111003 23:47:17< Ivanovic> like i said, '2' is not perfect yet but getting a lot closer
20111003 23:47:34< Ivanovic> i hope to be able to print my diploma thesis stuff on thursday and hand it in on friday
20111003 23:48:07< Ivanovic> once that is done an evening of celebrations follows after which i should be able to release (once enough time has passed for me to get sober again)
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