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20111019 04:34:45< shadowmaster> wesbot: seen zerovirus
20111019 04:34:46< wesbot> shadowmaster: Sorry, I don't know of zerovirus.
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20111019 09:03:29< Ivanovic> moin
20111019 09:03:39< enchilado> moin
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20111019 12:42:51< fk15_guest> just wanted to ask to see if I understand it right from the froum, any versions between 1.8.0 to 1.8.9 can connect to each others in multiplayer right?
20111019 12:44:04< JackBauer24> fk15_guest: I think so, although it's a bad idea to use different versions
20111019 12:45:42< fk15_guest> jackbauer I was just asking out of curiousity for only finding 1.8.5 in rpm and wanting to check before doing a 30+ minutes download of the data files
20111019 12:46:02< fk15_guest> or maybe I could try wait a bit and hope someone updates it, hard to say tho
20111019 12:46:19< JackBauer24> what is your distro?
20111019 12:46:43< zookeeper> yes, all 1.8.x versions work with each other
20111019 12:47:33< zookeeper> barring any bugs which might cause problems, but i don't recall there being any serious issues.
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20111019 12:52:42< fk15_guest> jackbauer fedora 15. if you want to actually see it for yourself then heres a conventional source https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/applications/Battle For Wesnoth?_csrf_token=694bfb86df2e088244c295363620f48e6e142cb2
20111019 12:53:13< fk15_guest> hard to tell who must had updated the fedora 16 build but I guess I can't help with that :)
20111019 12:59:33< fk15_guest> I used to play wesnoth on windows some time ago, probably 1.5 or 1.6 can't remember. should be interesting to see whats changed
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20111019 13:04:23< fk15_guest> hm well think I should just get it now or wait and see if someone would update it eventually?
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20111019 14:03:40< fk15_guest> interesting name wallnuss :)
20111019 14:04:01< wallnuss> thanks ;-)
20111019 14:04:13< wallnuss> why do you think it's interesting ?
20111019 14:05:31< fk15_guest> not sure why it sounds like 'wall nuff' to me but it might be just because of the close spellings
20111019 14:06:04< fk15_guest> how're you anyway?
20111019 14:10:55< wallnuss> I'm fine thanks
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20111019 14:11:20< wallnuss> in english translate wallnuss stands für walnut
20111019 14:11:37< fk15_guest> doing ok here, just going through a few webstores now. and thinking about if I should just download 1.8.5 now or try wait for 1.8.6 - such a stupid question heh
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20111019 14:11:47< fk15_guest> wallnuss oh I see
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20111019 14:14:33< wallnuss> hm download 1.8.5 and have fun now ;-P
20111019 14:14:50< fk15_guest> I guess that does work :P
20111019 14:15:32< fk15_guest> I'll see when I can download that large data rpm today. a bit over 200MB I think it was :s
20111019 14:16:26< fk15_guest> wallnuss btw are the common multiplayer maps still more or less the same?  I can't remember names well but I did recall at least four maps that always came up a lot
20111019 14:16:33< zookeeper> doesn't seem to be any too important changes in 1.8.6 anyway.
20111019 14:16:42< fk15_guest> just for comparasion to that I think the last time I played was like with 1.5 or 1.6 on windows
20111019 14:18:04< wallnuss> I'm playing not that often
20111019 14:18:12 * wallnuss afk
20111019 14:18:19< fk15_guest> I'll probably find out as soon as I install it I guess :)
20111019 14:18:25< zookeeper> they're more or less the same, i suppose. some new ones were added in 1.8 and some of the old ones might have gotten renamed.
20111019 14:19:04< fk15_guest> I do remember one of the map was not always my favorite one tho. it was watery castle tiles alone and you had up to six player corners, they had to try kill each others till only one was left :)
20111019 14:19:20< fk15_guest> I never ever won at any of these but then its just a game right? :P
20111019 14:19:59< fk15_guest> zookeeper should be interesting to see what kind of custom races there are in the addons. thats something I never did really look into that much the last time
20111019 14:20:41 * zookeeper doesn't care about umc eras/factions/races at all
20111019 14:21:11< fk15_guest> heh well I'll tell you why I had downloaded a few before. I just like fantasy creatures especially extra dragons :)
20111019 14:21:27< fk15_guest> I never really ever played with human/alike ones that much unless the server setting forced it by default
20111019 14:21:46< fk15_guest> do like elfs a bit at times tho
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20111019 14:23:30< fk15_guest> oh zookeeper would you remember the name of that map that always seem to have different versions made but the gameplay was always the same, a few players start in a castle in the middle and can upgrade their own specs as to survive each waves coming from outside circle that got harder over time?
20111019 14:23:43< zookeeper> a new land?
20111019 14:24:09< zookeeper> colosseum? just guessing, i've never played any of them.
20111019 14:24:24< fk15_guest> oh yeah that was it, colosseum
20111019 14:24:26< zookeeper> that description probably fits a dozen different survivals
20111019 14:24:28< zookeeper> right
20111019 14:24:44< fk15_guest> always find like a hundred different colosseum games going no matter what time zone it was
20111019 14:24:50< fk15_guest> like it was a favorite for most people before
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20111019 14:25:40< fk15_guest> zookeeper and btw I always picked fire dragon almost all the times. it may not be perfect in certain waves but I always did have fun with big heavy flame breath in the mountains or desert :)
20111019 14:26:16< fk15_guest> strange thing was I could kill the mudglobs or most woses in just a single breath ;)
20111019 14:26:42< fk15_guest> heheheh I so need to download the game and try play online again, been some time
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20111019 14:27:24< fk15_guest> zookeeper I was never partial to undeads tho whether player or AI :/
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20111019 14:31:39< zookeeper> undead are nice
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20111019 14:32:34< fk15_guest> to our own preferences I guess?
20111019 14:32:36< fk15_guest> :)
20111019 14:32:39< zookeeper> sure
20111019 14:33:16< fk15_guest> zookeeper I do like the default saurna race tho. or was that saurnia? been a while :s
20111019 14:33:35< zookeeper> saurian
20111019 14:33:45< zookeeper> not a faction though.
20111019 14:34:22< fk15_guest> no? I thought it was. especially with the magical one who had floating balls in front of her face
20111019 14:34:47< JackBauer24> saurians are connected with drakes in one faction
20111019 14:34:51< zookeeper> there's only 2 lvl1 saurians and they're in the drake faction.
20111019 14:35:54< fk15_guest> zookeeper oh thats only the small fighter/healer units. I'm talking about the other one
20111019 14:36:28< fk15_guest> jackbauer yeah I was never too sure why they had to be related to the drakes but I never could ask anyone about that
20111019 14:36:58< JackBauer24> same family I guess :)
20111019 14:37:01< zookeeper> then you're probably talking about an umc era or something
20111019 14:37:09< fk15_guest> jackbauer probably
20111019 14:37:57< zookeeper> there's never been more than 2 lvl1 saurians in mainline
20111019 14:38:04< fk15_guest> jackbauer which of with the drakes. I sometimes had a bit of mix feeling for the glider. it seem best on large maps but as soon as it comes to close contact war they die too easily -_-
20111019 14:38:29< fk15_guest> I usually only have one or few mostly for scouting or so
20111019 14:38:44< fk15_guest> but thats just me perhaps :)
20111019 14:39:28< JackBauer24> yeah, they're only good for scouting unless you play in a different gamemode (for example Creeps Wars)
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20111019 14:39:39< JackBauer24> there their ability "marksman" becomes handy
20111019 14:39:50< fk15_guest> Creeps Wars? never heard of that one I might have to look that up
20111019 14:40:30< JackBauer24> yeah, you have to check that out :) you pick only one unit and you can develop it by buying stuff in shop
20111019 14:40:36< JackBauer24> you earn gold for killing enemies
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20111019 14:40:55< fk15_guest> jackbauer to be honest I thought that whoever let woses fight drakes should have their head shot :P
20111019 14:41:09< fk15_guest> since woses are made of wood and drakes have flames. do the math there
20111019 14:41:11< fk15_guest> heheheh
20111019 14:41:50< fk15_guest> jackbauer oh that sounds a bit like colosseum shop. hmm in that case I'll check it out
20111019 14:42:24< zookeeper> well, a lonely glider won't dare attack your wose.
20111019 14:42:29< JackBauer24> it's simillar, but in creep wars you can buy more items, like weapons etc.
20111019 14:42:39< zookeeper> it's only a problem if you let the other ones get to it
20111019 14:43:10< fk15_guest> jackbauer I think I must had played at least one map like that. the shop had option to buy both physical and magical weapons each wave turn
20111019 14:43:37< zookeeper> actually it'd be quite a nasty surprise to try to grab an enemy village with a glider and end up ambushed by a wose
20111019 14:43:40< fk15_guest> hmm so download wesnoth, get creep wars, check out any interesting addons, and play :)
20111019 14:44:13< JackBauer24> fk15_guest: Ageless Era is very popular now, you may want to download it too
20111019 14:44:26< JackBauer24> it's a compilation of all Eras for Wesnoth
20111019 14:44:38< zookeeper> JackBauer24, good grief, why would he?
20111019 14:45:16< zookeeper> popularity doesn't make it good. it's an era which just contains everything, which makes it very pointless
20111019 14:45:21< JackBauer24> zookeeper: it's fun :) you just have to get to know the races
20111019 14:45:51< fk15_guest> actually I used to have that before. I had two particular ones from there I liked...
20111019 14:45:55< fk15_guest> Warg of that was the name for the werewolf-ish units
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20111019 14:46:09< zookeeper> well, if that's your cup of tea...
20111019 14:46:22< fk15_guest> and second one I can't remember the name but it amusingly enough was just plain earth animals with no special equips
20111019 14:46:37< fk15_guest> the second one contained eg an Ox with head ramming or Horse with hoof kicks
20111019 14:48:13< JackBauer24> zookeeper: Ageless is unbalanced so it's not a good idea to play it on normal, deathmatch/team deathmatch maps
20111019 14:48:22< JackBauer24> but it's fun on Orocia and other survivals
20111019 14:48:38< fk15_guest> Orocia? think that sounds familiar :>
20111019 14:49:08< JackBauer24> it's 3 players survival, you got the castle in the middle and fight against the waves
20111019 14:49:18< JackBauer24> you get upgrades for units when standing inside of the castle
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20111019 15:48:48< fk15_guest> ok got 1.8.5 installed. ill try it at night tho since have an appoinment soon
20111019 15:48:59< fk15_guest> might be back here but bye now either way
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20111019 17:08:15< Marcosius> hello
20111019 17:08:47< Marcosius> where can my suggestions be heard?
20111019 17:11:06< Gambit> there's an ideas forum
20111019 17:11:24< Marcosius> but theres not a ideas irc?
20111019 17:11:43< Crendgrim> they probably would get lost
20111019 17:12:45< Marcosius> ok
20111019 17:13:51< Marcosius> may i ask, is there a regular lauch cicle for wesnoth?
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20111019 21:13:22< LittleD> hello
20111019 21:14:24< LittleD> there are known incompatabilities between linux and windows versions of wesnoth?
20111019 21:15:06< Soliton> i don't think so.
20111019 21:15:31< LittleD> i've encountered a situation where my client stay out of sync with rest of players
20111019 21:16:47< LittleD> we all played on 1.8.6, we used defaut era to minimalize risk of broken addon
20111019 21:17:11< Soliton> broken add-ons can also break default.
20111019 21:17:13< Crendgrim> did you also use a built-in map?
20111019 21:17:49< LittleD> hmm... map was generated randomly
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20111019 21:18:47< LittleD> Soliton: hmm... interesting
20111019 21:18:49< Crendgrim> you may try to move all your add-ons outside the add-on folder, and see if the OOS errors remain
20111019 21:18:51< zookeeper> i think it's still possible to make an add-on which works on windows but not on linux, but other than that there shouldn't be any incompatibilities.
20111019 21:19:35< shadowmaster> it is
20111019 21:19:40< Crendgrim> it certainly is possible: Just use wrong pathnames, as it's done in each second topic in WML workshop :/
20111019 21:20:12< Soliton> hard to cause OOS with that though.
20111019 21:20:31< LittleD> i consider one more possibility
20111019 21:20:44< Crendgrim> that was just meant as an example for an add-on which works only on Windows
20111019 21:21:24< LittleD> i have wesnoth compiled from the source (on gentoo)
20111019 21:21:47< zookeeper> Soliton, except with [advancefrom] :<
20111019 21:21:56< LittleD> can this cause some strange behaviour?
20111019 21:22:40< Soliton> if your compiler inserted evil instructions into the binary sure.
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20111019 21:23:33< Soliton> what was the first OOS anyway?
20111019 21:23:52< LittleD> errr... it is just standard gcc
20111019 21:24:10< Soliton> that's what they want you to think.
20111019 21:25:39< LittleD> Soliton, "cannot recruit unit: Leader must stay in castle(...)"
20111019 21:26:36< Soliton> it was another side's turn i take it?
20111019 21:27:46< LittleD> hmm... i am not sure
20111019 21:27:49< Soliton> sounds like maybe your client did not accept a move from that side for some reason. it might have said something in the output about it.
20111019 21:28:02< Soliton> stderr i mean.
20111019 21:28:48< LittleD> but from start my client swapped castle of one of players with another (ai)
20111019 21:29:14< Soliton> oh, i see.
20111019 21:29:27< Soliton> you were the host?
20111019 21:29:29< LittleD> you know... i've seen green leader in top left castle, when on onther clients he was on bottom right
20111019 21:30:46< LittleD> i've tried hosting and joining other game, happend in both cases
20111019 21:32:20< Soliton> very odd. so your client always has the sides assigned differently from everyone else?
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20111019 21:38:25< LittleD> yup
20111019 21:38:52< LittleD> we played on 6p maps and always one human player site was swapped
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20111019 21:40:21< Soliton> non-random maps work fine?
20111019 21:41:19< Soliton> as a workaround you could save the game at the start and load it to sync.
20111019 21:42:25< Soliton> would be interesting to find out what's different, but i don't know how side assignment on random maps works exactly.
20111019 21:43:56< LittleD> not sure, first map we played was non-random, my client started reporting out of sync and i 've not checked for swaps
20111019 21:44:35< LittleD> after next few tries i saw the pattern with position swapping
20111019 21:45:20< Soliton> and that out of sync was also the one from above?
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20111019 21:45:47< Soliton> i can't imagine how side assignment on a non-random map can go differently.
20111019 21:46:15< LittleD> yes, that always was starting with "cannot recruit"
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20111019 21:47:09< LittleD> other thing was that Leaders sometimes "teleported out" from castle
20111019 21:47:55< Soliton> what add-ons do you have installed?
20111019 21:48:06< LittleD> i unfortunately don't know what other players seen
20111019 21:48:14< LittleD> Ageless era
20111019 21:49:21< Soliton> so the bugs of all eras assembled into one... good start. anything else?
20111019 21:49:36< LittleD> i can do more research with my flatmate, but i've played with him few weeks ago and everything was all right
20111019 21:50:46< zookeeper> i can't see how even ageless era would cause issues like that, but since it's ageless era i'm not ready to rule it out :>
20111019 21:51:36< Soliton> yeah, i doubt that's it as well.
20111019 21:52:55< LittleD> at the beginning i had some more, but i've reinstalled wesnoth (with cleaning ".wesnoth")
20111019 21:53:27< LittleD> and tried again - same error
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20111019 21:54:10< Soliton> on the official server?
20111019 21:55:59< LittleD> on official server, on server hosted by my friend and on dedicated server started on my machine
20111019 21:56:01< LittleD> hmm
20111019 21:56:45< LittleD> i still have last play "opened"
20111019 21:57:00< LittleD> i used that to do some research
20111019 21:58:48< LittleD> maybe someone can join this game and check that it is something wrong with my client or their (on of my friends created room for last game)
20111019 21:59:16< LittleD> (but on my wesnothd server... if it makes any difference)
20111019 22:00:00< Soliton> if you tell us the address of said server.
20111019 22:00:21< LittleD> dom.vroc.pl:3000
20111019 22:00:51< Soliton> but better might be reproducing in a newly created game and you logging stderr to a file.
20111019 22:01:21< LittleD> i know that replays are sometimes broken
20111019 22:01:50< Soliton> a replay from both sides would be interesting, too.
20111019 22:02:13< LittleD> but i encounter oos at the beggining and still this is the same error
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20111019 22:02:53< LittleD> ^beginning
20111019 22:03:31< Soliton> well, if the side assignments are out of sync that is to be expected.
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20111019 22:05:57< Soliton> eh, your game uses ageless, not going to install that to observer...
20111019 22:07:20< LittleD> i've already started game for two players (and 7 ai)
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20111019 22:22:15< LittleD> Soliton, i am going to try game with 3 players. What kind of debug information do you need?
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20111019 22:23:59< Soliton> LittleD: replays from both sides and stderr from your client maybe with --log-info=all.
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20111019 22:26:37< LittleD> Soliton: ok
20111019 22:34:11< LittleD> hmmm
20111019 22:34:18< LittleD> i've got
20111019 22:34:22< LittleD> 20111019 22:30:03 info random: Random number mismatch (nocheck), mine 15527 vs 18795
20111019 22:34:22< LittleD> 20111019 22:30:03 info random: get_random() returning 18795
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