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20111030 02:50:47< Gambit> And another forum game bites the dust.
20111030 02:51:11< enchilado> =D
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20111030 02:06:54< Gambomaster> Everyone /nick to some variation of "shadowmaster" ;D
20111030 02:07:24< evilshadowmaster> Yeah, do that please so I can ban every single one of you.
20111030 02:07:56< evilshadowmaster> Starting with Mr. Moderator here.
20111030 02:08:08 * evilshadowmaster glares at Gambomaster.
20111030 02:08:27< Gambomaster> To be fair, you yourself started the trend.
20111030 02:08:39< evilshadowmaster> I did not.
20111030 02:08:49< Gambomaster> You're a fashionable guy. It's no wonder fads appear all around you.
20111030 02:08:54 * Gambomaster fights glaring with flattery
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20111030 11:59:26< Ivanovic> moin
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20111030 12:08:16< Must`see1> NBA LOCKOUT END CHECK MORE INFO IN SITE TOPIC http://www.krepsininkas.net/invite.php?invite=5450
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20111030 12:11:13< enchilado> moin
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20111030 12:18:59< Mkaysi> Was that a spambot?
20111030 12:19:06< Ivanovic> yes
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20111030 12:39:21< Drakefriend> Hello
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20111030 14:28:39< fk15_guest> hey
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20111030 15:01:45< fk15_guest> not sure if this might be too far to ask here but would anyone remember a MP map that was sorta like two spirals laid together but not connected till in the middle.  basically each of two players had to go through a few AI lines to be the first one to touch the castle in the middle
20111030 15:02:27< fk15_guest> I know I used to have it with 1.5x but even a quick look through the addons listed now doesn't seem to turn up anything that could be a clue
20111030 15:09:38< ushiu> never played under 1.6
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20111030 15:26:36< fk15_guest> ushiu hm thanks, it was one of my favorite quick 2-players race game
20111030 15:27:02< fk15_guest> oh well at least I still have that 'race to the beach' one I did find in the addons...I still can't even get to the beach without having a dead leader halfway upward tho :P
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20111030 20:28:37< brock> hi
20111030 20:29:34< brock> i have bought the wesnoth app on the android market, but sadly, it's still version 1.8.something and not the 1.9.9 i have on my desktop
20111030 20:30:34< brock> i was looking for instructions on how to build the development version apk myself, but i couldn't find any. can someone point me in the right directions?
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20111030 20:33:21< zookeeper> somewhere on the forums if anywhere
20111030 20:35:43< evilshadowmaster> I don't think 1.9.x has been ported to Android yet.
20111030 20:37:29< brock> evilshadowmaster: so the ports do not share the same codebase as the pc version?
20111030 20:38:52< evilshadowmaster> The Android part shares most of it IIRC, but I am pretty sure some of the mainline code must have been modified to let it run. If Android-based phones have a screen resolution smaller than 800x480, for example, the display code must me modified to allow that to work.
20111030 20:39:12< evilshadowmaster> I also recall many other UI elements being reworked/simplified to fit.
20111030 20:39:47< evilshadowmaster> An Android user could probably tell if they also use 1.8 for PC. :)
20111030 20:40:54< brock> you would not have any idea where i can find the android sources then, would you? :)
20111030 20:41:40< evilshadowmaster> not really, since the author linked to a repository that could be outdated, a month before the first release, but perhaps you could email him.
20111030 20:46:05< brock> i've tried, but with little success
20111030 20:47:32< elias> so what was all this big talk about doing things properly as opposed to the iphone port, and properly integrating the code with mainline? :/
20111030 20:51:54< evilshadowmaster> plans that haven't come to fruition yet :(
20111030 20:53:13< evilshadowmaster> and probably won't until 1.11.0 at least, since the changes are probably too intrusive to be done in middle of the upcoming feature freeze
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20111030 22:41:50< Kullervo_> Oh, hi there.
20111030 22:42:07< Kullervo_> I see gambit comes by here sometimes.
20111030 22:42:17< Kullervo_> I was briefly a bug reporter for GEB.
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20111030 22:42:58< Kullervo_> So I wondered if I could use that to get one of those prerelease gambciv versions :D
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20111030 22:54:20< Kullervo_> How long does scons typically compile wesnoth?
20111030 22:55:19< evilshadowmaster> As long as it may take to run the compiler on every single source file.
20111030 22:55:52< evilshadowmaster> That will depend upon what your CPU speed and capabilities are, what you are doing, and how many threads you are using to compile (-j option in scons)
20111030 22:56:23< Kullervo_> with a unicore 3.0 ghz processor, I didn't rxactly mess with -j
20111030 22:57:14< Kullervo_> and considering I'm multitasking and it's been about 15 mins since I told him to compile, can I hope for another 5-10 mins?
20111030 22:58:17< Kullervo_> I still haven't exactly figured out compiling, as my old SUSE had troubles compiling and I just used rpm files instead
20111030 22:58:32< evilshadowmaster> For me, -j1 (default) takes 45 minutes on a dual core 2.1 GHz CPU
20111030 22:58:54< Kullervo_> Then 20-25 mins is a good estimate for me
20111030 22:58:58< evilshadowmaster> or something between 45 and 60 minutes depending on overall load.
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20111030 22:59:19< evilshadowmaster> Then again, I pass -O3 to the compiler and you'll probably using the default of -O2. That could take significantly less time.
20111030 22:59:26< evilshadowmaster> s/ll/re/
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20111030 22:59:53< Kullervo_> Eh, I was in a hurry so I just told him to use default
20111030 23:00:02< evilshadowmaster> "it"
20111030 23:00:10< Kullervo_> it, yes
20111030 23:00:35< Kullervo_> english has a very weakly present "middle" gender
20111030 23:01:02< Kullervo_> slavic languages such as my own, serbian, feature it as a full-blown grammatic category
20111030 23:01:30< ancestral> Neuter?
20111030 23:01:56< Kullervo_> yes,that's the term
20111030 23:02:15< ancestral> It's present in German, too
20111030 23:02:24< Kullervo_> Anyway, if any of you would care to know, wesnoth ran perfectly under wine
20111030 23:02:36< Kullervo_> because I was too lazy to run it natively on sles
20111030 23:02:49< evilshadowmaster> Ew.
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20111030 23:03:14< Kullervo_> my sles had issued related to incorrect Md5 sums.
20111030 23:03:18< Kullervo_> *issues
20111030 23:03:39< Kullervo_> which meant I could only install things via zypper and I couldn't compile anything
20111030 23:04:10< Kullervo_> which worker rather beatifuly unto wesnoth being so notoriously hard to set up om suse wikia has it's own article for it
20111030 23:04:58< Kullervo_> In the end I got sick of lag while playing gambciv and made a bootable ubuntu dvd
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20111030 23:42:03< Kullervo_> How large is wesnoth once it's installed?
20111030 23:43:22< un214> 724024kb
20111030 23:43:26< un214> wesnoth 1.9.?
20111030 23:43:54< evilshadowmaster> it can't be that much
20111030 23:44:48< Kullervo_> 1.9.9
20111030 23:44:51< evilshadowmaster> This could be a good hint of what to expect, barring translations, which I don't compile: http://pastebin.com/XqZSbZBs  Also note that you don't really need to install after compiling.
20111030 23:45:15< Kullervo_> weird
20111030 23:45:26< Kullervo_> compilation hasn't finished yet
20111030 23:45:34< Kullervo_> and ubuntu tells me it's700 MB
20111030 23:45:53< Kullervo_> how large is 1.9.9?
20111030 23:46:22< evilshadowmaster> I am using 1.910, which should be larger than 1.9.9 if at all.
20111030 23:46:27< evilshadowmaster> *1.9.10
20111030 23:46:51< Kullervo_> Didn't later versions come with some graphic updates and whatnot?
20111030 23:47:14< evilshadowmaster> This is the latest (not yet finalized) version.
20111030 23:47:17< ancestral> If Wesnoth releases a 1.910 before a 2.0 I will be quite saddened
20111030 23:47:38< Kullervo_> err, blame it on david
20111030 23:47:49< Kullervo_> that's how we got through most dev crisises.
20111030 23:48:10< Kullervo_> I remember when I downlaoded some pre 1.0 release without help
20111030 23:48:19< ancestral> Graphics updates? Like in-game pixel art?
20111030 23:48:23< ancestral> If so, yes
20111030 23:48:30< Octalot> Both 1.8.6 and 1.9.9 seem around 350 MB on Debian, excluding the debug package (I've only got about half the campaigns installed).  Debug symbols are 190 MB on top of that.
20111030 23:48:50< Kullervo_> or in another case a really early version where the elves had square-shaped hair
20111030 23:49:05< evilshadowmaster> Octalot: try an -O0 build ;) 456 MiB here
20111030 23:49:31< Kullervo_> 724024kb means 724 MB which means compiling is almost done
20111030 23:49:35< ancestral> Perhaps you've read shadowmaster's http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/60-Wesnoth-Evolution-0.1.html
20111030 23:49:53< Kullervo_> No, I haven't read that.
20111030 23:49:58< Kullervo_> Seems like a fun read.
20111030 23:50:31< ancestral> It was made by shadowmaster before he turned evil (?)
20111030 23:51:39< Kullervo_> wesnoth's weird
20111030 23:51:51< Kullervo_> major wars are won by 20 people
20111030 23:52:13< ancestral> In Civilization, entire cities are conquered often with one unit
20111030 23:52:22< Kullervo_> Yes, I know.
20111030 23:52:38< evilshadowmaster> I guess that's why I don't like freeciv.
20111030 23:52:44< Kullervo_> I'm a huge enough fan to have gotten both freeciv and civ4
20111030 23:52:59< Kullervo_> to compare them
20111030 23:53:11< Kullervo_> myself, I always thought freeciv complemented wesnoth nicely
20111030 23:53:39< Kullervo_> you didn't exactly have much of a choice in linux strategy games
20111030 23:53:49< ancestral> Of course, some will say it's a microcosm, or just a simulation, represented by one unit instead of drawing hundreds or thousands of small dudes in a tiny area
20111030 23:53:55< Kullervo_> now you can play freeciv, wesnoth or freecol, and that's it
20111030 23:54:26< evilshadowmaster> Most games use some degree of abstraction of reality.
20111030 23:54:30< Kullervo_> Yeah, wesnoth has single units acting out as single persons collecting single weapons and claiming entire towns
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20111030 23:54:48< Kullervo_> just take konrad grabbing sceptre of fire or capturing villages
20111030 23:54:56< ancestral> I'm not a big fan of the RTS battles in the Total War series. I don't like issuing out commands on that small of scale
20111030 23:55:00< evilshadowmaster> Chess is a popular example.
20111030 23:55:12< evilshadowmaster> It's also one of the most extreme examples.
20111030 23:55:13< Kullervo_> chess makes no attempts at abstraction.
20111030 23:55:23< ancestral> Kullervo_: Are you kidding me?
20111030 23:55:28< evilshadowmaster> It's entirely abstract.
20111030 23:55:36< ancestral> A king can't move more than one square, where a queen can run across the board?
20111030 23:55:41< Kullervo_> I mean, abstraction as in
20111030 23:55:52< Kullervo_> representing thousands of soldiers
20111030 23:55:55< Kullervo_> in a single unit
20111030 23:56:04< ancestral> 1,000 queens
20111030 23:56:05< ancestral> Hehe
20111030 23:56:19< ancestral> That'd be an administrative nightmare
20111030 23:56:45< Ivanovic> ancestral: this would mean a lot of, uhm, "work" for the king to keep them satisfied
20111030 23:56:58< Ivanovic> (you know, clothes and shoes, what else could i mean?)
20111030 23:57:08< Kullervo_> also, kings wouldn't exactly be able to fight them back
20111030 23:57:12< ancestral> Ivanovic: Well, in Egypt kings had been known to have many wives…
20111030 23:57:24< evilshadowmaster> Just note that pawns can become queens.
20111030 23:57:36< Kullervo_> I guess the reaosn they only hire 8 soldiers
20111030 23:57:39< Kullervo_> is because they don't have cash for more
20111030 23:57:47< Kullervo_> what with all the queen upkeep
20111030 23:57:49< ancestral> However, the class system is disproportionate
20111030 23:58:04< Kullervo_> pawns seem completely ok with being abused
20111030 23:58:07< Ivanovic> Kullervo_: but queens are more expensive in upkeep
20111030 23:58:25< Ivanovic> so a pawn becoming a new (army of) queen(s) would be strange financial wise
20111030 23:58:42< Kullervo_> yes, normally they would hire 80000 pawns
20111030 23:58:55< Espreon> And let's not forget how in Egyptian mythology, the world was created as a result of masturbation.®
20111030 23:59:01< Kullervo_> because chess figures are living creatures of bloodthirst
20111030 23:59:14< Ivanovic> Espreon: at least one good thing about that mythology!
20111030 23:59:26< Ivanovic> there the priests can't say that masturbation is "dirty" and "bad"
20111030 23:59:27< Ivanovic> ^^
20111030 23:59:29< Kullervo_> PIECES FOR THE KING! CAPTURES FOR THE PIECE ADVANTAGE SYSTEM!
20111030 23:59:46< Kullervo_> finnish mythology is slightly weirder
20111030 23:59:51< Espreon> Ivanovic: Yup, one of the gods created the world through autofellatio... yay!
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