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20111031 00:00:10< Kullervo_> namely a woman has sex with a duck and makes land
20111031 00:00:17< Kullervo_> a female duck.
20111031 00:00:24< Kullervo_> which then hatches an egg.
20111031 00:00:27< Espreon> Interesting...
20111031 00:00:48< Ivanovic> Kullervo_: so homosexual stuff should be not frowned upon
20111031 00:01:03< Ivanovic> if there is even a lesbian act with an animal in the creation myth...
20111031 00:01:09< Kullervo_> that's only in one interpretation of finnish mythology
20111031 00:01:17< Kullervo_> i'm not a finn myself
20111031 00:01:30< Kullervo_> in others, she does it with the sky
20111031 00:01:46< Kullervo_> and gives birth to a 700 year old man
20111031 00:04:04< exiff> what on earth are you all talking about?
20111031 00:05:01< Kullervo_> finnish creation myths
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20111031 00:05:09< Kullervo_> as depicted in kalevala
20111031 00:05:10< Ivanovic> exiff: abstraction in games was basically the topic
20111031 00:05:19< Kullervo_> but it quickly shifted
20111031 00:05:54< Espreon> And let's keep it that way.
20111031 00:05:54< exiff> I see...
20111031 00:06:14< Ivanovic> Espreon: shifted?
20111031 00:06:16< Espreon> If languages have to decay, then so do conversations.
20111031 00:06:36< Kullervo_> who did the serbian translations for wesnoth?
20111031 00:07:01< Espreon> Kullervo_: Chusslove and some other people.
20111031 00:07:04< Espreon> Why?
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20111031 00:07:47< Kullervo_> dunno, I'd just like to meet them
20111031 00:08:04< Espreon> Well, if you really want, just start a query with Chusslove.
20111031 00:08:10< Kullervo_> only person I know of who plays this game and is my countrymen's my brother
20111031 00:08:23< Espreon> He doesn't really hang around these channels anymore.
20111031 00:11:30< Ivanovic> Kullervo_: hang out at your closest university and talk to the guys from the computer science department that also use linux
20111031 00:11:43< Ivanovic> the chance that you find someone who *at least* tried wesnoth is rather high
20111031 00:12:11< Ivanovic> in fact the rate of people knowing/playing wesnoth (that i met during the gsoc mentor summit) was something like ~50%
20111031 00:13:44< Kullervo_> most people here don't even bother with linux and as such don't actually find out about wesnoth, seeing as how many alternatives(paid ones - serbs love to pirate) are available for windows
20111031 00:14:06< Kullervo_> plus we're too lazy to compile things and not be able to run games
20111031 00:14:28 * Gambit didn't even know linux existed until he found Wesnoth
20111031 00:14:56< Kullervo_> oh hai gambit
20111031 00:15:04< Gambit> Hello there :)
20111031 00:15:06< Kullervo_> how's gambciv going?
20111031 00:15:36< Gambit> Not well. I don't do much recreational programming during the school year.
20111031 00:15:37< Kullervo_> I reported one minor GEB bug which allowed you to get infinite meat by spamming cows, mages and churches
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20111031 00:15:59< Kullervo_> Are the trading posts usable at least?
20111031 00:16:04< Kullervo_> and can we fish?
20111031 00:16:09< ancestral> Generally those should be avoided massing together
20111031 00:16:33< ancestral> I can just imagine, the mages blowing up the cattle near the church
20111031 00:16:40< Gambit> Kullervo_: Yes trading posts and fishing should be working
20111031 00:16:47< Gambit> At least... in the bleeding edge version.
20111031 00:16:52< Gambit> I don't remember if they're in the last release.
20111031 00:17:04< Kullervo_> I got this version by git
20111031 00:17:13< Kullervo_> does it auto-get bleeidng edge?
20111031 00:17:42< Gambit> If you cloned from git and are fully up to date then yes
20111031 00:17:51< Gambit> you have everything that is coded
20111031 00:17:53< Kullervo_> good, no need to redownload
20111031 00:18:11< Gambit> For fishing you need to move a fishing boat into deep water and right click on it
20111031 00:18:23< Kullervo_> good.
20111031 00:18:24< Gambit> For trading posts, your opponents right click on ones you own to give you things
20111031 00:18:34< Gambit> Or right click on their own units that are near your trading post to give you that unit.
20111031 00:19:15< Kullervo_> shame standard wesnoth doesn't support keyboard input liek it does with recruit or recall
20111031 00:19:31< Kullervo_> clicking 4 times just to plant wheat is very tedious
20111031 00:20:10< ancestral> I know! I could go plow a field, plant some seed, and water it in the same time it would take me to plant wheat in Wesnoth
20111031 00:20:30< Kullervo_> if you ever move to lua, any player would be enormously gratified if you add support for that
20111031 00:20:57< Kullervo_> every one who cares about modding grabs the wesnoth lua pack
20111031 00:21:03< ancestral> (or I could just play Agricola)
20111031 00:21:07< Gambit> Binding keyboard shortcuts to [set_menu_item] would be nice, but we'd never be able to predict how their preferences for core Wesnoth shortcuts are setup.
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20111031 00:21:17< Gambit> I don't like lua.
20111031 00:22:11< Kullervo_> myself, I really know only one standalone game which uses lua - ToME
20111031 00:23:12< Kullervo_> although it's syntax is somewhat ugly
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20111031 00:23:28< Kullervo_> it can do lots of stuff
20111031 00:25:07< ancestral> WoW uses Lua
20111031 00:25:24< Kullervo_> fully uses lua, I meant to say
20111031 00:25:35< ancestral> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua_(programming_language)#Other
20111031 00:25:36< Kullervo_> WoW also uses C++, if I'm correct
20111031 00:25:43< ancestral> I'm sure
20111031 00:26:18< Kullervo_> doesn't list wow anywhere there
20111031 00:26:30< Kullervo_> I always thought it was codes in c++
20111031 00:26:37< ancestral> I read it somewhere else
20111031 00:26:45< Kullervo_> in general, everything noeworthy is done c++
20111031 00:26:48< ancestral> http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua
20111031 00:27:00< Gambit> If I were them I'd softcode most stuff in lua
20111031 00:27:11< Kullervo_> It's wow's scripting language
20111031 00:27:19< Gambit> Well not lua
20111031 00:27:21< Gambit> but something :P
20111031 00:27:38< Kullervo_> the worst scripting language ever is morrowind's.
20111031 00:27:49< Kullervo_> it doesn't even have string support
20111031 00:28:14< Kullervo_> and without external apps which hook the vm and introduce new functions it can't interact with anything besides morrowind
20111031 00:28:16< ancestral> Haha
20111031 00:28:32< Kullervo_> *string var support
20111031 00:28:53< ancestral> Kullervo_: Awaiting Skyrim?
20111031 00:29:06< Kullervo_> inb4 skyrim sucks
20111031 00:29:10< Kullervo_> because I can't run it
20111031 00:29:19< Kullervo_> but I'm anticipating it anyway
20111031 00:29:27< Gambit> Sadly Minecraft is in feature freeze. We won't be getting Sky's Rim any time soon.
20111031 00:29:30< Kullervo_> I'm a huge TES fan, you know.
20111031 00:29:43< Gambit> Also I think he reworked that whole level generator into The End.
20111031 00:29:49< Kullervo_> the Swedes DO have a sense of humour
20111031 00:29:57< ancestral> Gambit: Play some Terraria
20111031 00:30:03< Kullervo_> morrowind's lore even has metaphysics
20111031 00:30:46< Kullervo_> sermon 14 of vivec's sermons (NSFW) is my favorite
20111031 00:31:18< Kullervo_> and I succesfuly compiled wesnoth
20111031 00:31:38< Kullervo_> tommorrow I'll take care of gambciv
20111031 00:31:40< Kullervo_> bye guys
20111031 00:31:45< Gambit> See you
20111031 00:33:20< Gambit> I should go bug hunting and then tag Gambciv 1.0 before Wesnoth 1.10 comes out
20111031 00:33:46< Gambit> I want to get it on as soon as the addon server clears.
20111031 00:34:18< Gambit> (Because it's totally a race.)
20111031 00:34:47< Gambit> evilshadowmaster always wins, but I can maybe come in the first five ^_^
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20111031 01:20:12< janebot> Twitter: @Wesnoth: If you want to stay up-to-date on the changes to official MP maps, keep an eye on this thread: http://t.co/5k8p5bJ4 [ Oct-31-2011 00:16 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/3zf7ubb ]
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20111031 02:27:22< VurtualRuler98> "bil"
20111031 02:27:24< VurtualRuler98> why is that typed in that box
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20111031 04:02:39< ancestral> Hardly seems possible you can have over 1000 posts since May
20111031 04:03:23< evilshadowmaster> GMA? powerhsot?
20111031 04:03:41< evilshadowmaster> I can't type tonight.
20111031 04:04:05< ancestral> You got it
20111031 04:04:11< ancestral> Powershot
20111031 04:04:29< enchilado> Whoa.
20111031 04:04:36< enchilado> Over 1000? Really? O_O
20111031 04:04:47< evilshadowmaster> Yep.
20111031 04:07:03< evilshadowmaster> It's really 1470 posts, though. The posts missing from the public post count are in Forum Games.
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20111031 04:07:57< ancestral> Just curious… is he a teenager?
20111031 04:08:21< Garnbit> Not even -_-
20111031 04:08:35< ancestral> I love his avatar
20111031 04:09:30< evilshadowmaster> Garnbit: I don't know whether we are at liberty to disclose that information at this time. Then again, pretty much anyone can tell, I guess.
20111031 04:09:44< Garnbit> *I guess not even
20111031 04:09:57< Garnbit> Since if we knew for sure he wasn't even a teenager, we would have to ban him.
20111031 04:10:03< Garnbit> <_< >_>
20111031 04:10:13< evilshadowmaster> >_>
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20111031 04:15:36< Garnbit> Jesús he makes six posts a day?
20111031 04:17:46< ancestral> You know, I'm kind of glad we don't issue silly titles/stars based on the number of posts like some forums and sites do
20111031 04:19:08< evilshadowmaster> he has asked me several times for a custom rank, "Master Frankenstiner" (sic)
20111031 04:19:14< ancestral> or he might be "Emperor" or "Jedi Master" or "Level 99" by now
20111031 04:19:20< ancestral> oof
20111031 04:19:37< Garnbit> lol remember the self proclaimed emperor of wesnoth?
20111031 04:19:52< evilshadowmaster> I'm at liberty to disclose that information at this time since powershot has asked me for a rank in public too
20111031 04:20:24< ancestral> You may be evil, but you are very fair :-)
20111031 04:21:02< ancestral> Fairly evil might be Lawful Evil
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20111031 10:56:53< Ivanovic> moin
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20111031 11:08:40< Kullervo2> oh hi there
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20111031 13:35:31< Kullervo2> can I expect Android for wesnoth to run on my wildfire s?
20111031 13:35:48< Kullervo2> *wesnoth for Android
20111031 13:37:38< elias> i'd try the free version first
20111031 13:39:32< elias> the developer of the android port also seems to have disappeared (before merging back the code) - so the future of the android port is uncertain now :(
20111031 13:42:33< Ivanovic> Kullervo2: depends on things like "is the OS recent enough", "does the display have a high enough resolution" (those two are *real* blocker!) as well as "is there enough RAM" (this one is rather soft, though with anything below 256MB you will have serious problems, even with 256MB there might be crashes due to "out of memory"
20111031 13:42:52< Ivanovic> you need to have a display resolution of 800x480 and at least android 2.2
20111031 13:43:08< Ivanovic> as well as several hundred MB free space to actually install the program
20111031 13:43:13< Kullervo2> then It's not enough
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20111031 13:46:19< Ivanovic> Kullervo2: you can of course try to run/install the free version
20111031 13:46:31< Ivanovic> then you will see if it works, but it is unlikely due to the display resolution
20111031 13:46:46< Kullervo2> device isn't compatible
20111031 13:47:16< Kullervo2> so it doesn't appear in market
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20111031 22:34:39< Natasiel> Can I push [message][option] to each players in [multiplayer] right on start of a scenario instead of the objectives?
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20111031 22:45:56< Gambit> Natasiel: you can't do every player in any event
20111031 22:46:02< Gambit> OOS if they all pick different things
20111031 22:46:14< Gambit> If you want input from all of them you'll have to ask the same thing on each of their turns
20111031 22:46:26< Natasiel> roger that Gambit 
20111031 22:46:28< Gambit> This is much easier in 1.9.x because of the name=side turn X event
20111031 22:46:38< Gambit> So you can do the message at name=side turn 1
20111031 22:47:50< Natasiel> about the same as having a turn 1 first_time_only=no event?
20111031 22:48:25< Gambit> No. Turn 1 only fires for player 1 on turn 1.
20111031 22:48:34< Gambit> side turn 1 fires for each side as they come to turn 1
20111031 22:48:45< Natasiel> I see, thank you
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20111031 22:50:45< Natasiel> Gambit, an other simple thing: How can I get the leader on speaker=? I can use $side_number for the right side but need to catch "canrecruit"
20111031 22:52:07< Gambit> You'll have to store it before the message
20111031 22:52:36< Gambit> [store_unit][filter]side=$side_number canrecruit=yes[/filter]variable=leader[/store_unit]
20111031 22:52:39< Gambit> And then speaker=leader
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20111031 22:54:24< Natasiel> thanks again, that solves lots of things
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20111031 22:58:27< Natasiel> if more than one unit is selected, can it takes 1 randomly?
20111031 23:02:36< Gambit> What do you mean?
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20111031 23:12:40< Natasiel> Gambit, let's say in your example that more than a single unit canrecruit on the given side
20111031 23:13:29< Natasiel> speaker= behaviour selects the first unit or 1 randomly?
20111031 23:14:26< Gambit> leader would probably be a container containing multiple units
20111031 23:14:45< Gambit> To be safe maybe you want to do speaker=leader[0]
20111031 23:14:54< Gambit> I'm not sure. Test that with some trial and error.
20111031 23:15:49< evilshadowmaster> speaker expects a unit id, unit, second_unit or narrator
20111031 23:16:00< evilshadowmaster> that should be $leader[0].id
20111031 23:19:01< Natasiel> actually, side=$side_number without any speaker tags actually selects the first leader; that's fine for now
20111031 23:26:35< evilshadowmaster> That's probably a coincidence because the leader was the first unit to be created for that side on the map.
20111031 23:30:16< Natasiel> that's all good, creating units in the right order relieves some lines of code
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