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20111103 07:46:31< timotei> lol @ http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-True-Alternative.aspx
20111103 07:46:32< timotei> =))
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20111103 10:17:57< Ivanovic> moin
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20111103 11:30:32< CIA-99> ivanovic * r51811 /trunk/po/ (5 files in 5 dirs): updated Indonesian translation
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20111103 12:33:06< Moloch_IT> hi guys. some player using 1.9.9 is asking for a solution for the replay problem. i submitted a patch here, i hope it can be discussed
20111103 12:33:10< Moloch_IT> https://gna.org/patch/index.php?3005
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20111103 13:11:10< AI0867> Elvish_Pillager: what git userinfo (name (real and/or otherwise) + email) would you want your wescamp userid to be converted to?
20111103 13:11:38< AI0867> Moloch_IT: you should poke boucman, he usually handles patches
20111103 13:14:09< Moloch_IT> ok thanks
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20111103 13:46:52< Espreon> anonymissimus: I'm making it so that the maske dwarves don't become unmasked...
20111103 13:46:55< Espreon> *masked
20111103 13:47:08< Espreon> And I'm updating animations...
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20111103 16:17:43< CIA-99> anonymissimus * r51812 /trunk/src/scripting/debug_lua.cpp: add a missing type in the stack dumper
20111103 16:17:56< CIA-99> anonymissimus * r51813 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: 
20111103 16:17:56< CIA-99> allow function debug.traceback in wesnoth lua
20111103 16:17:56< CIA-99> silene had agreed in making this function available. He wanted me to add it
20111103 16:17:56< CIA-99> as wesnoth.traceback though, supposedly just because it would've been
20111103 16:17:56< CIA-99> easier for me at that time.
20111103 16:18:10< CIA-99> anonymissimus * r51814 /trunk/changelog: changelog update
20111103 16:18:28< CIA-99> anonymissimus * r51815 /trunk/changelog: fix changelog style
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20111103 18:24:45< CIA-99> espreon * r51816 /trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): 'nick' -> 'nickname'.
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20111103 18:57:23< fendrin> hi
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20111103 19:20:55< SigurdFireDragon> Alarantalara: The new bridges are sweet, though I am wondering, why Bw\r instead of Bwr\? Imho, Bwr\ would be more in sync with the rest of the bridges.
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20111103 19:25:55< shadowmaster> Espreon: r51816, why?
20111103 19:26:18< Espreon> shadowmaster: Because we don't actually use "nick" instead of "nickname". It's jargon.
20111103 19:26:52< Espreon> Even Freenode uses "nickname".
20111103 19:27:01< shadowmaster> ircds use "nick"
20111103 19:27:12< Espreon> NickServ uses "nick".
20111103 19:27:16< Espreon> *nickname
20111103 19:27:41< shadowmaster> This NickServ was also written by brits.
20111103 19:27:52< Espreon> I don't care.
20111103 19:27:54< Espreon> It's jargon.
20111103 19:28:04< shadowmaster> You normally do care.
20111103 19:28:21< shadowmaster> I just hope you aren't going to go around and change "Wesnoth" to "West-north" next.
20111103 19:28:50< Espreon> Hell no.
20111103 19:28:59< Espreon> That etymology's made-up.
20111103 19:30:24< shadowmaster> I don't like nick or nickname because they imply the existence of a real name.
20111103 19:31:10< shadowmaster> FUH and phpBB currently do not support that (although a custom field could be added via ACP if we really wanted, but I have stated my reasons before for not doing so)
20111103 19:32:02< Espreon> I see.
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20111103 19:49:32< fendrin> anonymissimus: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?18893
20111103 19:49:55< fendrin> anonymissimus: Thus means the bug is not in the tunnel/teleport code but in the code for [object]?
20111103 19:52:25< CIA-99> espreon * r51817 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/units/ (3 files): Fixed the Dwarvish Masked Fighter line.
20111103 20:06:39< CIA-99> espreon * r51818 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/units/ (3 files): Fixed the Dwarvish Masked Guardsman line.
20111103 20:08:20< CIA-99> espreon * r51819 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/units/ (Dwarvish_Masked_Guardian.cfg Dwarvish_Masked_Guardsman.cfg): Renamed the Dwarvish Masked Guardsman's file to reflect the unit's current name.
20111103 20:10:40< CIA-99> espreon * r51820 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/changelog: Fixed typos in historical changelog notes.
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20111103 20:21:36< mordante> servus
20111103 20:21:47< Espreon> mordante: Ic grete þe.
20111103 20:21:54< mordante> hi Espreon 
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20111103 20:23:48< mordante> AI0867, same information as I use in the Wesnoth
20111103 20:23:55< mordante> s/the//
20111103 20:31:30< anonymissimus> fendrin: so to say yes
20111103 20:31:42< anonymissimus> but it's not a "bug"
20111103 20:32:13< anonymissimus> your code is expecting the [object] code to not perform variable susbtitution
20111103 20:32:35< fendrin> yes, but other code does.
20111103 20:32:35< anonymissimus> but the object code does it; you didnt check this when coding the feature
20111103 20:33:24< anonymissimus> possible you can fix it in a similar manner as I did it with the [unit] callstack, thats why I jmentioned it
20111103 20:33:27< fendrin> So just changing [object] to not substitute variables will break other stuff. 
20111103 20:33:40< anonymissimus> possibly yes
20111103 20:34:04< anonymissimus> thats why I made only little changes when fixing the [unit] callstack
20111103 20:34:48< anonymissimus> I recall that there was also the problem with event-driven abilities not working when applied by amla wml
20111103 20:35:34< fendrin> Iirc correctly [event] does know a delayed_substititution= attribute.
20111103 20:35:47< anonymissimus> this was a long-standing problem with Kaleh in UtbS; possibly this was also because of premature variable substitution and the call path is relatedm so may be a good idea to fix it as well
20111103 20:35:52< fendrin> Maybe I should implement that in [object] as well.
20111103 20:36:23< anonymissimus> fendrin: delayed_= has nothing do do with this
20111103 20:38:22< anonymissimus> Moloch_IT: I understand that people are eager to have a fix for the replay loading
20111103 20:38:50< anonymissimus> however, remember that sp replay loading etc was already working though should have not
20111103 20:39:19< anonymissimus> that you can test it successfully doesnt mean anything in this case
20111103 20:40:16< anonymissimus> in wesnoth source it has already been worked around bugs too many times, and I don't want someone who doesn't look to precise at patches to apply it
20111103 20:42:56< shadowmaster> I know what the solution is, I'm just too lazy to do it atm.
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20111103 20:43:42< fendrin> shadowmaster: Solution for?
20111103 20:44:09< shadowmaster> #18892 and the bug(s) it duplicates
20111103 20:45:37< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: whyt solution do you suggest ?
20111103 20:46:54< anonymissimus> wesbot: but 16237
20111103 20:47:00< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug 16237
20111103 20:47:01< wesbot> Bug #16237  Assigned to: Jörg Hinrichs <jhinrichs>  Status: Fixed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20111103 20:47:04< wesbot> Summary: Replays intermittently produce out of sync errors
20111103 20:47:06< wesbot> Original submission: If you start 1.8.2 and run this replay (which was made un
20111103 20:47:09< wesbot> der 1.8.2), it will most likely work. However, pause it during the replay, reset
20111103 20:47:12< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?16237
20111103 20:47:15< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/bugs/download.php?file_id=9465
20111103 20:47:53< shadowmaster> Removing the cached pointers and figuring out a way to fix the bug they were meant to fix without relying on crap.
20111103 20:48:23< shadowmaster> The first part is not rocket science.
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20111103 20:51:49< AI0867> mordante: which is? wesnoth still uses svn you know ;)
20111103 20:52:44< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: a roll back r48442 including ?
20111103 20:53:02< anonymissimus> I was just about to try it and look at the problems it re-introduces
20111103 20:53:39< mordante> AI0867, true, but I added several copyright notices, e.g. src/gui/widgets/widget.hpp
20111103 20:53:48< AI0867> k
20111103 20:54:22< shadowmaster> anonymissimus: If that's the guilty commit, then I guess yes.
20111103 20:54:51< mordante> AI0867, how are things going with git? Do the wescamp scripts need to be modified?
20111103 20:55:05< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: it is, there the cached pointers were introduced
20111103 20:55:20< shadowmaster> Although I personally make sure to understand every single line of what I'm reverting before doing it.
20111103 20:55:20< AI0867> mordante: yeah, but I'm working on that
20111103 20:55:27< anonymissimus> however, maybe we should tylk to deekay first
20111103 20:55:34< anonymissimus> wesbot: seen deekay
20111103 20:55:34< wesbot> anonymissimus: The person with the nick deekay 34d 20h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message: Quit: deekay
20111103 20:55:35< mordante> AI0867, ok
20111103 20:55:48< anonymissimus> wesbot: seen dragonking
20111103 20:55:48< wesbot> anonymissimus: Person, who 44d 22h ago used nick Dragonking, 34d 20h ago as deekay was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message: Quit: deekay
20111103 20:55:51< AI0867> currently thinking on how best to replace SVN.copy_to_svn, which does quite a bit more than the name implies
20111103 20:56:28< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug 17207
20111103 20:56:29< wesbot> Bug #17207  Assigned to: None  Status: Fixed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20111103 20:56:29< wesbot> Summary: User interface bug in the replay client ("Skip animation" check box)
20111103 20:56:32< wesbot> Original submission: Skip animation checkbox doesn't reflect the status of Ski
20111103 20:56:35< wesbot> p animation after changing accelerated speed in preferences.To reproduce bug
20111103 20:56:38< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?17207
20111103 20:56:42< AI0867> as for the rest, gettext.wesnoth.org is vcs-agnostic and svn2git configuration is done other than the identity map
20111103 20:58:14< Moloch_IT> anonymissimus: i'm new here, just proposed a working fix in the most formal way i can do now, then of course I rely on you and other skilled devs to implement the good solution
20111103 20:58:36< anonymissimus> Moloch_IT: yes it's ok
20111103 20:58:52< anonymissimus> I'm not skilled though
20111103 20:58:53< mordante> ok yeah the script kind of grew
20111103 20:59:38< anonymissimus> I just critized a fact in your patch but you seemed to ignore or not taking care of that
20111103 21:01:32< Moloch_IT> i'm not ignoring it, i simply don't understand it in the way you explained it to me, maybe it's my fault. :)
20111103 21:04:28< shadowmaster> Moloch_IT: What anonymissimus means is what I said the other day here, too, that your patch doesn't cover all possible crash cases for the replay controller because it isn't aware of all the other code paths that can invalidate the butotn pointers, both from other C++ code and from WML.
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20111103 21:05:31< shadowmaster> For example, if the replay contains [redraw] WML actions (many campaign scenarios do), you'll run into UB again.
20111103 21:06:35< shadowmaster> The replay controller cannot (and should not have to) know about those cases. 
20111103 21:06:37< Moloch_IT> that kind of replays causes a segfault too?
20111103 21:07:20< shadowmaster> Anything that results in game_display::draw() (display::draw()) being called will trigger undefined behavior, which *may* or *may not* result in a segmentation fault.
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20111103 21:08:09< shadowmaster> A segmentation fault is probably the best-case outcome for that situation.
20111103 21:09:35< anonymissimus> Moloch_IT: UB: unknown behavior
20111103 21:09:43< Moloch_IT> i know :)
20111103 21:09:59< anonymissimus> UB can often work, so testing can seem ok
20111103 21:10:30< anonymissimus> and actually, as you can see, many replays don't crash for no apparent reason
20111103 21:11:16< Moloch_IT> some reference that stills in memory?
20111103 21:11:17< shadowmaster> That's because the original memory hasn't been overwritten with crap or released from the process VM map.
20111103 21:11:19< fendrin> anonymissimus: I remember you fixed a variable substitution related bug in the tunnel/teleport feature, right? Can you point me to the commit please?
20111103 21:12:02< anonymissimus> fendrin: it is the [unit] callstack, affecting [filter_recall] and [event] subtags of [unit]
20111103 21:13:18< fendrin> anonymissimus: I see. Thanks.
20111103 21:13:20< shadowmaster> okay, I'll get to work on that bug now.
20111103 21:13:21< shadowmaster> *grumble*
20111103 21:14:14< anonymissimus> fendrin: it is r51537 until r51539
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20111103 21:27:54< shadowmaster> mordante: these "strip trailing whitespace" commits make it ridiculously difficult to revert commits for testing.
20111103 21:28:11< shadowmaster> Especially so when done on code that isn't yours.
20111103 21:28:35< mordante> shadowmaster, teach people not to commit trailing whitespace :-P
20111103 21:29:33< shadowmaster> That should be your mission, not mine. I don't worry about trailing whitespace.
20111103 21:30:11< shadowmaster> In fact, I don't see the point on changing whitespace in a file that you are not modifying in any other way.
20111103 21:30:56< mordante> to avoid commits where somebody changes a lot of unrelated lines which cleans up the whitespace
20111103 21:31:09< mordante> IIRC the MSVC editor does that
20111103 21:31:49< shadowmaster> Somehow that doesn't seem worse than tampering with a file's history.
20111103 21:32:20< mordante> what tampering?
20111103 21:32:23< anonymissimus> mordante: MSVC doesnt strip trailing whitespace
20111103 21:32:37< anonymissimus> I am always trying to get it to do that
20111103 21:32:56< shadowmaster> mordante: Making it difficult to revert someone else's commits to the file.
20111103 21:33:20< mordante> well sapient used to have commits that did that and I thought YogiHH's as well
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20111103 21:34:14 * mordante has another definition of tampering 
20111103 21:34:29< anonymissimus> ideally, it should strip trailing whitespace only on lines which I change/changed
20111103 21:34:51< shadowmaster> mordante: The solution in that case would be to smack Sapient/YogiHH/whoever with a club rather than contribute to the problem.
20111103 21:35:27< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: thonsew also seems to have his fingers there, r 50745
20111103 21:36:15< shadowmaster> Let's pretend he doesn't exist for a moment so I can deal with the real cause of the bug.
20111103 21:36:54< shadowmaster> If someone knows how to git revert a commit on a single file without doing some silly diff/patch workaround, I'd appreciate to know about that immediately.
20111103 21:37:18< shadowmaster> Otherwise, I think I'll have to forget about reverting and do this my own way.
20111103 21:41:20< loonycyborg> Maybe git-revert -n that commit then only git add that file
20111103 21:43:23< shadowmaster> I think I'll not revert the commit and I'll change the access semantics instead.
20111103 21:56:21< mordante> I'm off night
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20111103 22:01:17< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: FYIm seems I got an almost clean diff until including r48442 
20111103 22:01:29< anonymissimus> one small conflict was there
20111103 22:02:00< anonymissimus> I can write the revisions I rewerted if you want
20111103 22:02:42< shadowmaster> I think I said above I'll do something else instead of reverting.
20111103 22:03:57< fendrin> anonymissimus: I am going to change the type of unit::add_modification's mod argument from config to vconfig and do variable substitution for each value in the method whenever it's a good idea. 
20111103 22:04:31< anonymissimus> fendrin: I'm not sure whether thats a good idea
20111103 22:05:41< fendrin> anonymissimus: I don't have a better one. For the first part I will substitute everything to have the old behavior everywhere, except when adding an ability.
20111103 22:08:47< shadowmaster> fendrin: What problem are you trying to solve?
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20111103 22:09:23< fendrin> wesbot: show bug #18893
20111103 22:09:40< fendrin> wesbot: bug 18893
20111103 22:09:41< wesbot> Bug #18893  Assigned to: Fabian Müller <fendrin>  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20111103 22:09:44< wesbot> Summary: Teleport ability not working properly when applied by object
20111103 22:09:47< wesbot> Original submission: Teleport works fine when applied to unit as part of unit_
20111103 22:09:50< wesbot> type, however fails to work properly when added to a unit via an object. The uni
20111103 22:09:53< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?18893
20111103 22:09:59< fendrin> shadowmaster: ^
20111103 22:10:34< anonymissimus> fendrin: you could pass the vconfig optionally, and when the ability part comes, call get_config()
20111103 22:10:52< anonymissimus> so you don't need many changes
20111103 22:11:29< shadowmaster> Sigh.
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20111103 22:12:09< fendrin> anonymissimus: Yeah, look at the code structure. The foreach doesn't allow that easily.
20111103 22:12:16< anonymissimus> that is, use the vconfig parameter precisely for what doesnt need bariable substitution
20111103 22:12:22< anonymissimus> variable
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20111103 22:13:37< fendrin> I already did like you suggested outside of the foreach (const config &effect, ...).
20111103 22:16:18< anonymissimus> fendrin: I see; ok then go ahead
20111103 22:17:00< anonymissimus> then its best to have only a vconfig parameter, that is better since having both is actually a redundancy
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20111103 22:17:41< anonymissimus> its just that I'm afraid of changing a lot of stuff which might cause problems
20111103 22:17:42< fendrin> anonymissimus: It's no problem. The vconfig does only wrap the config, you do not have the config object twice in memory.
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20111103 22:18:18< anonymissimus> doesn't matter, it's a redundant parameter
20111103 22:18:24< fendrin> anonymissimus: Yes, let's keep all changes inside of the abilities at last.
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20111103 22:25:38< anonymissimus> as for the trailing whitespace problem, it's not only that there can be actually trailing whitespace, there can be CRLF line endings as well which someone accidentally committes and which are regarded as trailing whitespace by mordante's script I guess
20111103 22:26:43< anonymissimus> at least git's detection seems to do something like that; but timotei and me have it disabled since it causes problems
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20111103 22:29:00< shadowmaster> Espreon runs umcpropfix to set svn:eol-style = native on source code files, so that shouldn't occur for users of TortoiseSVN or the console SVN client.
20111103 22:30:45< shadowmaster> Okay, testing that annoying fix.
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20111103 22:33:19< shadowmaster> works :)
20111103 22:34:06< shadowmaster> Although, the "Skip animations" checkbox is getting overpainted for some reason.
20111103 22:36:09< shadowmaster> Ah, I think I inverted a call.
20111103 22:51:01< shadowmaster> grrr
20111103 22:59:20< anonymissimus> Espreon: ther textdomain in the masked fighter is wrong
20111103 22:59:55< anonymissimus> (I nodice since I reference those units from my campaign now)
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20111103 23:03:15< Espreon> anonymissimus: Thanks.
20111103 23:03:53< CIA-99> espreon * r51821 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/units/Dwarvish_Masked_Fighter.cfg: Fixed initial textdomain binding in the Dwarvish Masked Fighter's file.
20111103 23:04:19< Espreon> anonymissimus: Also, what do you mean you reference them from your campaign? I hope you aren't directly including them from THoT.
20111103 23:08:26< Moloch_IT> good night to all guys
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20111103 23:08:30< Moloch_IT> :)
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20111103 23:24:31< anonymissimus> Espreon: yes, thats excatly what I plan
20111103 23:24:42< anonymissimus> by clever usage of #ifhave
20111103 23:25:10< anonymissimus> and not creating a THoT unit before checking whether the user has THoT installed
20111103 23:25:24< Espreon> ... OK.
20111103 23:25:46< Espreon> I don't like it, but whatever.
20111103 23:25:58< anonymissimus> you could make it easier by moving the units to core :)
20111103 23:26:07< anonymissimus> why you don't ?
20111103 23:26:19< anonymissimus> I need annoying copies otherwise
20111103 23:26:42< anonymissimus> and you just nicely updated these units, which I'd need to do otherwise myself
20111103 23:27:01< anonymissimus> so now I just use base_unit or maybenot even that
20111103 23:27:19< Espreon> anonymissimus: Well, if you think they deserve to be in core, why don't you ask esr and friends about that?
20111103 23:27:53< anonymissimus> I don't know any other campaign using them...oh wait, Brave Wings does, actually
20111103 23:28:21< anonymissimus> so there's be three campaigns using them, including THoT
20111103 23:28:32< anonymissimus> but that argument is valid for the desert elves as well
20111103 23:28:37< Espreon> Do we care about Brave Wings and X? No.
20111103 23:29:03< anonymissimus> ok, then we also don't care about mine
20111103 23:29:27< Espreon> Well, do what you want.
20111103 23:41:26< esr> anonymissimus: What units are you talking about?
20111103 23:44:36< shadowmaster> The good news is that I got rid of the crash and there can't be dangling pointers around since the replacement code only takes pointers during short synchronous operations. The bad news is that this has an effect on a completely unrelated theme button (the animations checkbox) for non-evident reasons.
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20111103 23:46:22< shadowmaster> Maybe a side-effect of thonsew's previous attempt to fix the bug. </uselessguesswork>
20111103 23:47:28< shadowmaster> notably, thonsew's commit made the UB more evident instead of trying to fix anything
20111103 23:48:25< shadowmaster> in other words, it forced the dangling pointers to appear ASAP
20111103 23:48:32< shadowmaster> :)
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