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20111106 00:22:07< anonymissimus> fendrin has a lot to do until tomorrow...
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20111106 01:02:24< Exasperation> bug #18701 seems to be at least partly un-fixed now
20111106 01:03:03< CIA-99> alarantalara * r51875 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/test/: Remove test terrain images
20111106 01:03:47< Alarantalara> oh?
20111106 01:03:49< Exasperation> I have a situation where I clear an array, using [inspect] shows the array gone, but $array.length gives 1
20111106 01:04:27< Alarantalara> can you post the WML?
20111106 01:05:01< Exasperation> it's in my ATBX add-on, so it's on the 1.9 add-on server
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20111106 01:06:45< Alarantalara> so what would I need to do to reproduce this?
20111106 01:06:46< Exasperation> I'm going to make sure my 1.9.9+svn is up to date, recompile and test again
20111106 01:07:19< Alarantalara> If you're pre r51791, then that could be an issue
20111106 01:07:40< Exasperation> I didn't think I was, but that's why I'm going to recompile
20111106 01:13:54< Exasperation> I'll let you know if it's resolved by updating & recompiling
20111106 01:20:36< CIA-99> anonymissimus * r51876 /trunk/src/ (playsingle_controller.cpp team.cpp): 
20111106 01:20:36< CIA-99> remove some ocurrances of "colour" being written into configs
20111106 01:20:36< CIA-99> I leave out places with which I don't feel familiar enough. Removes
20111106 01:20:36< CIA-99> "colour" from gamestate inspector.
20111106 01:20:48< CIA-99> anonymissimus * r51877 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: add a warning message to [colour_adjust]
20111106 01:27:29< anonymissimus> Exasperation: you've got 2 patches in I think ?
20111106 01:28:13< anonymissimus> so you could ask for write access now so I don't need to maintain the win build systems so all alone
20111106 01:28:28< anonymissimus> or together with timotei as far as MSVC is concerned
20111106 01:29:34< anonymissimus> and we really need some win 7 dev, none of the currently active devs is using win 7 to dev wesnoth
20111106 01:29:51< anonymissimus> even more for Mac though
20111106 01:30:27< Exasperation> Yeah, 2767, 2763, and 2755 are mine
20111106 01:31:22< Exasperation> I can't help with the Mac end of things, but I'd be happy to help with Win 7
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20111106 01:33:48< Exasperation> ok, looks like I was just short of 51791, and everything works now
20111106 01:42:17< Espreon> anonymissimus: Yeah, just kill "colour".
20111106 01:43:08< anonymissimus> one of the reasons I started using the dev version was that it is way easier to update one's addons this way
20111106 01:43:33< anonymissimus> instead of making big jumps between ths stables
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20111106 01:53:04< CIA-99> espreon * r51878 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (23 files in 4 dirs): Removed redundant undead_variation= keys.
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20111106 02:50:42< Espreon> anonymissimus: Well, I have Windows 7, so I could at least test stuff.
20111106 02:51:04< Espreon> But then I'd have to learn how to compile Wesnoth on Windows, so blargh.
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20111106 03:00:20< CIA-99> anonymissimus * r51879 /trunk/src/gamestatus.cpp: set objectives_changed to true only if [scenario]objectives= not blank (fix for bug #18927)
20111106 03:00:27< CIA-99> anonymissimus * r51880 /trunk/src/gamestatus.cpp: deprecated ancient [scenario]objectives= attribute
20111106 03:01:01< Espreon> That still exists?
20111106 03:01:02< Espreon> Wow.
20111106 03:01:53< anonymissimus> Espreon: actually, with you current knowledge and my guide in projectfiles/codeblocks/readme.txt it should work for you out of the box within 2 hours or so
20111106 03:02:24< anonymissimus> at least I know that it basically works, thanks to exasperation and sigurd
20111106 03:02:54< anonymissimus> Espreon: well, the markup did no longer work
20111106 03:03:13< anonymissimus> but I recall it working when updating a Gryphon's tale
20111106 03:03:21< anonymissimus> that was with 1.8 I think
20111106 03:03:23< Espreon> Eh, why don't we just quietly kill it?
20111106 03:03:41< anonymissimus> because quietly killing something is evil evil evil
20111106 03:03:51< Exasperation> yeah, setting up to compile with codeblocks using that guide was pretty simple
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20111106 03:04:25< Espreon> But it's fun sometimes, and I don't feel like reviving that part in the wiki that mentioned [scenario]objectives=.
20111106 03:04:35< Espreon> Well, I'm not going to do that.
20111106 03:04:40< anonymissimus> sure
20111106 03:04:53< Espreon> OK, so what do I have to do?
20111106 03:05:07< Espreon> Lemme just fire up my VM.
20111106 03:05:08< anonymissimus> nothing, unless you mean compiling ?
20111106 03:05:17< Espreon> Yes, I mean compiling.
20111106 03:05:20< anonymissimus> well just read the guide then
20111106 03:06:00< anonymissimus> wesbot: topic
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20111106 03:06:08< Espreon> anonymissimus: Linky please.
20111106 03:06:20< anonymissimus> linky ?
20111106 03:06:30< Exasperation> if you have the current svn, it comes with it
20111106 03:06:42< Espreon> anonymissimus: "Link" + "-y" :þ
20111106 03:07:00< Espreon> Diminutives... are sometimes fun to use...
20111106 03:07:25< anonymissimus> projectfiles/codeblocks/readme.txt
20111106 03:07:31< anonymissimus> thats the linky
20111106 03:07:40< Espreon> OK.
20111106 03:10:13< Espreon> anonymissimus: Will getting backtraces be rocket science?
20111106 03:13:02< anonymissimus> I dont think so
20111106 03:13:13< anonymissimus> you do ti basically the same way as on Linux
20111106 03:13:37< Espreon> How would one do it?
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20111106 03:16:40< anonymissimus> I open a shell, browse to wesnoth exe dir, and then type something like C:\wesnoth>C:\\tdm-gcc-4.5.2.exe\\bin\\gdb.exe --eval-command=run --args C:\\wesnoth\\wesnoth-debug.exe -d 
20111106 03:17:40< anonymissimus> note that codeblocks uses MinGw, that is a POSIX environment actually
20111106 03:17:50< anonymissimus> it's much more like Linux than win
20111106 03:18:05< anonymissimus> *the* windows built system is MSVC
20111106 03:18:53< anonymissimus> I don't actually type that command above, I have a script with pre-set variables which I execute
20111106 03:19:12< anonymissimus> thats just the resulting command line
20111106 03:19:38< Espreon> I see.
20111106 03:21:26< Espreon> anonymissimus: Should I make builds with both?
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20111106 03:23:15< anonymissimus> it will probably more difficult with MSVC
20111106 03:23:50< Espreon> Well, I'm only doing this for the sake of being available to test stuff on Windows 7.
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20111106 03:34:49< CIA-99> anonymissimus * r51881 /trunk/src/gamestatus.cpp: 
20111106 03:34:49< CIA-99> Revert r51879 and r51880.
20111106 03:34:49< CIA-99> I didn't consider the mp aspect of this.
20111106 03:35:23< Espreon> Awww...
20111106 03:35:43< anonymissimus> sry, that was neccessary
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20111106 03:38:11< anonymissimus> your testcase worked, but in SoW I got problems
20111106 03:38:17< anonymissimus> and I forgot to test that
20111106 03:38:21< anonymissimus> off, bye
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20111106 03:38:25< Espreon> Bye.
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20111106 04:27:50< CIA-99> iwontbecreative * r51882 /trunk/data/tools/about_cfg_to_wiki: Made code easier to read, removed an unused class. (Output does not change)
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20111106 05:22:48< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: Crab's gui2 chat log dialog hasn't been forward-ported to trunk yet. What do you plan to do (that counts as both a feature change and a string-thawing change IIRC)?
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20111106 05:24:34< shadowmaster> I don't feel keen on handling it myself since the first commit alone can't be automatically merged without diff conflicts, and that's *not* counting the changelog.
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20111106 05:55:19< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=512498#p512498 ... Hmmm... I think those unit_map changes might have something to do with this...
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20111106 06:27:33< evilshadowmaster> evilespreon: should wesnoth.unit_image_mods() (a lua function I'm implementing right now) return a functor string with the leading ~, or without it?
20111106 06:28:18< evilespreon> Hmmm...
20111106 06:28:23< evilespreon> evilshadowmaster: I haven't a clue.
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20111106 06:28:56< evilespreon> evilshadowmaster: Well, maybe not.
20111106 06:28:58< evilshadowmaster> without it it is , then
20111106 06:29:01< evilespreon> Yeah.
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20111106 06:29:12< evilespreon> You're just asking for the mods.
20111106 06:29:22< evilshadowmaster> yup
20111106 06:31:24< evilshadowmaster> dammit, that didn't work
20111106 06:32:15< evilespreon> Awwww...
20111106 06:33:14< evilshadowmaster> eh, trivial mistake
20111106 06:33:27< evilespreon> Good.
20111106 06:39:42< CIA-99> shadowmaster * r51883 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Add wesnoth.unit_image_mods() function and make [move_unit] use it to respect mods applied via EffectWML
20111106 06:41:48< evilshadowmaster> note to self: add that to the wiki after 1.9.10 is released .
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20111106 06:45:34< Espreon> anonymissimus: http://pastebin.com/5vHzhP81 ... Help... it hates me...
20111106 06:46:15< shadowmaster> Espreon: sounds like you are linking different versions of the same library in the same line
20111106 06:46:42< Espreon> Meh, then I'm lost.
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20111106 06:47:01< Espreon> I know not know to assemble a MinGW environment based on gcc 4.5.2.
20111106 06:47:21< Espreon> The .exe mentioned in the readme forces me to use the 4.6.1-based stuff.
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20111106 07:42:00< CIA-99> espreon * r51884 /trunk/po/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Updated the Old English translation.
20111106 07:51:34< melinath> am I correct in thinking that floating_text color can't be changed?
20111106 07:52:09< fendrin> Espreon, esr: around?
20111106 07:52:15< Espreon> fendrin: Jeß.
20111106 07:52:31< Espreon> fendrin: What do you need?
20111106 07:52:45< fendrin> I need a string to name the leading crown the symbol of a leader.
20111106 07:52:48< Espreon> melinath: You mean the WML tag?
20111106 07:53:05< shadowmaster> fendrin: as in, the name for a new WML attribute?
20111106 07:53:06< melinath> Espreon: Yes, although I'm open to alternatives.
20111106 07:53:14< Espreon> melinath: You can use Pango markup in that.
20111106 07:53:15< shadowmaster> also, welcome to the "last minute features committers" club
20111106 07:53:52< Espreon> fendrin: Ummm... I don't quite understand...
20111106 07:54:14< fendrin> I am working on a symbol, the leader crown being displayed in the place where the unit status is at home.
20111106 07:54:31< Espreon> Uh huh... and what type of string do you need?
20111106 07:54:49< fendrin> slowed: poisoned: petrified: 
20111106 07:54:52< fendrin> along that line.
20111106 07:54:56< melinath> Espreon: Of course. :p It also seems that I can just use wesnoth.float_label.
20111106 07:55:07< fendrin> adjectives if I remember my school time correctly.
20111106 07:55:13< melinath> though that also needs pango.
20111106 07:55:18< fendrin> so something like "in command"
20111106 07:55:27< fendrin> if that is proper English.
20111106 07:56:19< Espreon> melinath: Yup.
20111106 07:56:55< Espreon> fendrin: Yeah, "in command" is proper English.
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20111106 07:57:26< shadowmaster> {MOVE_UNIT (id=Elynia)     (12,16,17-19) (27,25,26)}  <-- anonymissimus, why isn't x=17-19 y=26 a valid coordinate for move_unit? does it not use the standard path finding fnctions, or it just has problems determining the final location when using the range syntax?
20111106 07:57:39< Espreon> fendrin: But I'm too lazy to think of anything better.
20111106 07:57:40< shadowmaster> and yes, MOVE_UNIT uses move_unit since ages
20111106 07:58:10< shadowmaster> and yes, August 23rd 2010 is a long time for me
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20111106 08:07:40< timotei> lol. yesterday there were 165 or so bugs, not they are back to 171 xD
20111106 08:08:23< Espreon> Honestly, I object to the tagging of 1.9.10 today till those lagging issues are solved.
20111106 08:09:25< shadowmaster> I don't have any lag.
20111106 08:10:26< Espreon> ... I do.
20111106 08:10:30< Espreon> Sometimes.
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20111106 08:34:43< Espreon> fendrin: No, we need blockers...
20111106 08:34:47< Espreon> Lots of them...
20111106 08:35:16< fendrin> Espreon: Just talk to Ivanovic, I am fine with delaying the freeze for a few hours.
20111106 08:35:52< fendrin> But I need to go now and sleep. I guess I miss the time of the freeze.
20111106 08:35:58< Espreon> OK.
20111106 08:36:04< Espreon> See ya.
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20111106 10:37:09< Ivanovic> moin
20111106 10:38:36< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: have you pinged Crab_ about this?
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20111106 10:42:13< mordante> servus
20111106 10:42:29< Kolbur> moin
20111106 10:42:36< mordante> hi Kolbur 
20111106 10:44:16< Ivanovic> looking at the bug list i see lots of bugs marked as blocker which should probably only be marked as "important"
20111106 10:44:22< Espreon> mordante: Ic grete þe.
20111106 10:44:28< mordante> hi Espreon 
20111106 10:44:49< Ivanovic> (blocker meaning: it will *block* a development release, too, where important means "this should really be fixed before we mark something stable")
20111106 10:45:02< Espreon> 'Twould be awesome if we waited three days and an hour before tagging 1.9.10.
20111106 10:45:10< Kolbur> ah, i was just about to ask :)
20111106 10:45:14< Ivanovic> Espreon: why this amount?
20111106 10:45:55< Espreon> Because it's a magickal amount and gives every member of the Add Features at the Last Possible Second club enough time to get everything in.
20111106 10:46:18 * Ivanovic prefers the "hard deadline club"...
20111106 10:46:20< Ivanovic> ;)
20111106 10:46:20< Kolbur> Ivanovic: so it would mean that this bug: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?16299 should be fixed before the next stable comes out?
20111106 10:47:15 * Espreon hates the Hard Deadline Club
20111106 10:47:35< Ivanovic> Kolbur: only after the priority was basically reviewed by some core devs and set accordingly
20111106 10:48:00< Ivanovic> Kolbur: since i see lots of reports that are marked as really important stuff (blocker or important) that are not this important
20111106 10:48:00< Kolbur> i see, when does this reviewing happen usually?
20111106 10:48:29< Ivanovic> it can be any time
20111106 10:49:21< Soliton> it already happened for that bug.
20111106 10:50:14< Kolbur> hey Soliton
20111106 10:50:34< Kolbur> i hope i'm not bugging you too much (haha) ;)
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20111106 10:50:50< Soliton> no worries.
20111106 10:53:16< Kolbur> can someone try out the reproduction i posted there for 1.9.9?
20111106 10:53:41< Kolbur> i wonder if this should be a separate bug report
20111106 10:54:46< Kolbur> since it also affacts fog of war
20111106 10:57:48< mordante> gambit which part of the thread are you referring to, that post or the rest as well?
20111106 11:09:06< Ivanovic> AI0867, crimson_penguin, elias, Espreon, esr, fendrin, loonycyborg, mordante, noy, shadowmaster, Soliton, timotei, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: what is your *exact* status regarding the start of the feature and string freeze as well as the release of 1.9.10?
20111106 11:09:29< Ivanovic> that is: which bugs/features do you think *have* to be fixed/implemented before this can happen?
20111106 11:09:59< noy> I don't think we can get the Khalifate in unless its pushed back to like feb
20111106 11:10:03< Ivanovic> what is still missing, what are you working on, do you need some more time for 'ABC'? most importnat: how much more time do you need?
20111106 11:10:19< noy> we made some pretty significant changes that can't be playtested in any reasonable time
20111106 11:11:03< Ivanovic> sorry, the start of the freeze won't be pushed back this far!
20111106 11:11:26< noy> I know
20111106 11:11:30< noy> which means it won't go in
20111106 11:11:35< mordante> Ivanovic, I think several people pinged Crab_ regarding the chat dialog
20111106 11:12:11< Kolbur> the freeze only applies until 1.9.10 comes out, right?
20111106 11:12:20 * mordante also prefers the hard dead-line, it has been announced for quite a while
20111106 11:12:27< Ivanovic> Kolbur: no, the freeze means the preparation for 1.10
20111106 11:12:36< Ivanovic> Kolbur: meaning only bug fixes are allowed
20111106 11:12:49< Kolbur> ah, ok
20111106 11:13:08< Ivanovic> noy: what exactly would still be required for the khalifate?
20111106 11:13:13< Kolbur> that's quite some news if khalifate doesn't make it then
20111106 11:13:20< Ivanovic> noy: that is: are there descriptions for the units these days?
20111106 11:13:28< Espreon> Ivanovic: I myself have nothing to do. I'm just waiting for AI0867 to complete something Thonsew started and for him to implement an FR of mine. I'm also waiting for shroud system fixes from Crab_. Yeah, what they're doing is that important to me. So, yeah.
20111106 11:13:51< mordante> Soliton, is the MP already restarted after thonsew's commits reverted (regarding bug 18654)
20111106 11:14:24< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: I have no unfinished features.
20111106 11:14:28< zookeeper> Ivanovic, i have nothing in particular in the works.
20111106 11:14:54< mordante> Ivanovic, I've no blockers for the feature/string freeze
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20111106 11:17:11< Ivanovic> noy: that is: i still see several of those units without unit description
20111106 11:18:48< noy> Its alot
20111106 11:18:53< noy> its the playtesting Ivanovic 
20111106 11:19:03< noy> and that takes a lot of time
20111106 11:19:24< noy> its not feasible to just throw it into stable in its current state
20111106 11:19:28< noy> or even with some balancing
20111106 11:19:33< Kolbur> noy: are you aware of the wtt tournament?
20111106 11:19:45< noy> basically we're adding a new alignment and a new faction
20111106 11:20:01< Kolbur> it's kinda sad that the major changes to the khalifate can't be tested there :/
20111106 11:20:03< noy> Kolbur: yes, and its not going to matter
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20111106 11:20:50< noy> it can't be because the alignment has been changed on most of the factions, which was only enabled in the recent branch
20111106 11:21:12< Kolbur> on most factions? :o
20111106 11:21:23< noy> ...
20111106 11:21:55< Ivanovic> noy: but the default era is still balanced nicely, correct?
20111106 11:22:16< mordante> Espreon, any hints on reproducing https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?18926, won't crash for me
20111106 11:22:18< Ivanovic> so we'd "just" have to remove the "default+khalifate" era and make it into an addon (again)
20111106 11:23:00< Ivanovic> noy: and yeah, the current status that i see those units in is not good enough for the start of the freeze
20111106 11:23:17< Ivanovic> since playtesting as well as basic changes to the units (descriptions!) are still required
20111106 11:23:30< mordante> fendrin, why does the new end turn button look like it's high-lighted by default?
20111106 11:23:39< Espreon> mordante: Just start a campaign, quit, and hit arrow left/right
20111106 11:23:42< Soliton> mordante: it's never been recompiled after thonsew's commits.
20111106 11:23:46< Espreon> That's all I can say, really
20111106 11:24:30< mordante> Soliton, ok, so we don't know whether the server works with the current trunk
20111106 11:24:56< Soliton> in respect to commits that have been reverted we obviously do.
20111106 11:25:02< Ivanovic> Espreon: doesn't crash over here
20111106 11:25:11< Kolbur> sorry noy for not understanding, are you implying that liminal replaces neutral or did you mean some technical stuff by "alignment has been changed on most of the factions"?
20111106 11:25:14< mordante> neither for me
20111106 11:25:42< mordante> Espreon, do you leave the tutorial with the mouse or ctrl-q on the keyboard?
20111106 11:25:42< Ivanovic> ahhhh, you mean the arrow key on the keyboard
20111106 11:25:48< Ivanovic> yeah, that creates a segfault here
20111106 11:25:53< Espreon> mordante: Keyboard.
20111106 11:25:55< Ivanovic> mordante: detailed steps:
20111106 11:26:00< Ivanovic> 1) start wesnoth
20111106 11:26:05< Ivanovic> 2) click on tutorial
20111106 11:26:19< Ivanovic> 3) select conrad, click through the first dialogs until you can open the menu
20111106 11:26:44< Ivanovic> 4) click on menu and quit game
20111106 11:27:04< Ivanovic> 5) directly after you are back in the main menu hit the "left arrow" key of your keyboard
20111106 11:29:01< Soliton> Kolbur: he meant on most of the faction not factions.
20111106 11:29:27< mordante> ok crashes now, but now every time :-/
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20111106 11:33:42< Ivanovic> noy, happygrue, Soliton: regarding the khalifate i think all we can do if we want to have a new stable release "some time in the next months" is to basically rip them out of mainline and make them an addon
20111106 11:33:54< Ivanovic> having them merged back into trunk once we have 1.10 released
20111106 11:34:04< Kolbur> Soliton: thanks, that makes more sense, ii couldn't get much info from the "..." ;)
20111106 11:34:47< Ivanovic> that is: supporting infrastructure (like extra ToD related stuff) could/should probably stay in mainline, "just" the units and faction definition should be removed from mainline
20111106 11:35:02< mordante> Ivanovic, can't we rip them out after branching?
20111106 11:35:32< mordante> or do their strings then still 'pollute' the translations?
20111106 11:35:42< Ivanovic> mordante: the problem is that feature freeze in ideal also means "umc interface freeze" and the interface also includes units
20111106 11:35:55< mordante> ok
20111106 11:36:14< Ivanovic> so if umc creators are adviced to start porting their content and make use of the mainline resources this would, uhm, be problematic
20111106 11:37:20< Soliton> Ivanovic: i still need to commit some map updates before 1.9.10, btw.
20111106 11:37:31< Soliton> shouldn't take long.
20111106 11:37:53< Ivanovic> Soliton: sure
20111106 11:38:00< Ivanovic> Soliton: what is your take on the khalifate?
20111106 11:38:28< mordante> AI0867, it seems you change the wescamp script to already use githup... so I can no longer update on wescamp
20111106 11:38:38< noy> default is fine, we might make a tweak before 1.9.10, but its balanced.
20111106 11:39:00< Soliton> well, if noy says they won't be ready we have to take them out for 1.10, i agree.
20111106 11:39:43< noy> Its the fact that we're using a new alignment + a new faction. I have no clue how they will play. 
20111106 11:39:51< noy> I think the change is worth it. 
20111106 11:40:02< noy> but it was bad timing. 
20111106 11:41:58 * Soliton nods.
20111106 11:45:22< Espreon> Well, I guess I'll go to sleep and hope for the best.
20111106 11:45:23< Espreon> Goodnight.
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20111106 12:08:31< CIA-99> ivanovic * r51885 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
20111106 12:08:31< CIA-99> applied utils/wesnoth-optipng:
20111106 12:08:31< CIA-99> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20111106 12:08:31< CIA-99> Original size: 3 KiB on 4 files
20111106 12:08:31< CIA-99> Optimized size: 2 KiB
20111106 12:08:31< CIA-99> Total saving: 0 KiB = 17% decrease
20111106 12:09:36< Ivanovic> Soliton, noy, happygrue: okay, for the khalifate removal: is it enough to remove the core/images/units/khalifate folder as well as the core/unit/khalifate folder and the faction definition?
20111106 12:09:40< Ivanovic> or is there more to be done?
20111106 12:15:54< Ivanovic> Soliton, noy, happygrue: i'll remove the khalifate from mainline *NOW*, you can just use r51885 to base the addon on
20111106 12:17:02< noy> k
20111106 12:20:42< Soliton> hrm, Can't create directory '/var/svn/wesnoth/db/transactions/51885-1.txn': Permission denied
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20111106 12:27:44< CIA-99> ivanovic * r51886 /trunk/data/ (5 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
20111106 12:27:44< CIA-99> removal of khalifate (part1):
20111106 12:27:44< CIA-99> the khalifate are not stable enough so far to be in 1.10, they need a lot more playtesting, rebalancing as well as adding d
20111106 12:27:44< CIA-99> escriptions
20111106 12:27:44< CIA-99> because of this they can't be allowed in at the time of the string and feature freeze since adjustments would basically be
20111106 12:27:45< CIA-99> impossible then
20111106 12:27:46< CIA-99> "someone" will have to move the khalifate into an addon so that development of them can be continued this way
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20111106 12:28:04< Ivanovic> okay, gone they are... (for more details in the commit message have a look at the full mail on the commits list)
20111106 12:28:37< Ivanovic> that is: i left the names definition in, since using those names might make sense in other cases, too and they are not this much faction/era dependant and likely to be changed/replaced by addon work
20111106 12:34:26< Soliton> Ivanovic: haven't switched this checkout to ssh so it's still going to take a while...
20111106 12:34:53< Ivanovic> Soliton: okay
20111106 12:35:01< Ivanovic> i am only preparing stuff atm anyway
20111106 12:41:22< Crendgrim> is there any way to remove an [object] from a unit?
20111106 12:46:20< CIA-99> ivanovic * r51887 /trunk/ (RELEASE_NOTES changelog players_changelog): 
20111106 12:46:20< CIA-99> removal of khalifate (part2):
20111106 12:46:20< CIA-99> * add entries to changelogs and release_notes
20111106 12:46:35< CIA-99> ivanovic * r51888 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: add a release_notes entry about the start of the string/feature freeze
20111106 12:58:50< CIA-99> soliton * r51889 /trunk/ (9 files in 3 dirs): 
20111106 12:58:50< CIA-99> * New map: Aethermaw
20111106 12:58:50< CIA-99> * Updated maps: Hamlets, Howling Ghost Badlands, Thousand Stings Garrison
20111106 12:59:47< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: considering that the new chat dialog was added "later" in 1.8.x, too, i'd say that it can be some time after 1.9.10, too
20111106 12:59:58< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: that is: as long as it happens "soonish"
20111106 13:01:36< Ivanovic> okay, i will be off for some hours, once i am back i'll look further into releasing 1.10
20111106 13:01:57< Ivanovic> please ping me if there is any reason *not* to release 1.10 at that time or anything i should wait for
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20111106 13:10:12< zookeeper> Crendgrim, well, yes, you just remove the unit.modifications.object. usually have to reverse the modifications caused by the said object in other ways, though.
20111106 13:10:37< Crendgrim> alright, thanks
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20111106 13:12:08< zookeeper> Ivanovic, i think you meant releasing 1.9.10, not 1.10 ;) baffled me for a moment.
20111106 13:12:21< Ivanovic> ehm, yeah, right
20111106 13:20:42< timotei> Ivanovic: why not just *disable* the khalifate?
20111106 13:20:45< timotei> rather than remove them?
20111106 13:21:55< Ivanovic> timotei: because they need lots of balancing changes and tweaks
20111106 13:22:18< Ivanovic> timotei: development of them can easily continue in an addon and it won't create any conflict this way
20111106 13:22:26< timotei> ah. ok :)
20111106 13:22:52< Ivanovic> besides: if they are just disabled the translators still see the strings but have no way to see the strings ingame
20111106 13:23:03< Ivanovic> (and no way to see directly that they can just neglect them)
20111106 13:30:57< happygrue> Ivanovic: noy Soliton okay, I see.
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20111106 13:49:10< happygrue> Ivanovic: regarding the removal, is it better to merge  r51885 back into to trunk right after the stable release or to spin off into this addon development idea?
20111106 13:49:48< Ivanovic> happygrue: i'd say: make what i removed into an addon so that you can continue to use and develop it
20111106 13:50:19< Ivanovic> happygrue: and then, after 1.10 is branched off (most likely with the release of 1.10) merge the addon back into mainline
20111106 13:50:34< happygrue> okay
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20111106 13:51:13< Ivanovic> since noy said that you need until basically february till it is stabilized you can do that stuff in parallel to normal development
20111106 13:51:25< Ivanovic> this way it *should* be ready just shortly after 1.10 is done
20111106 13:51:53< happygrue> I have been 'not active' due to RL stuff for some time, but the big holdup is the alignment change
20111106 13:51:54< Ivanovic> can be merged in and further tested in the new dev series, possibly not as extra era but directly as part of default (yeah, i still keep dreaming...)
20111106 13:52:07< happygrue> I'm not sure what the status of that is
20111106 13:52:29< Ivanovic> happygrue: noy just said that there is lots of playtesting to be done which of course takes time
20111106 13:52:44< happygrue> well, the playtesting can't happen until AFTER the alignment change
20111106 13:52:50< Ivanovic> that is: beside this i also noticed that several units still don't have a description, which is a nogo for mainline in a stable series, too
20111106 13:52:52< happygrue> which I am not sure where that is
20111106 13:53:33< happygrue> I have been leaving unit discriptions and fluff to noy and whoever else has any idea about it
20111106 13:53:48< happygrue> I'm pretty sure that anything I do in that regard would be worthless ;)
20111106 13:55:38< Ivanovic> happygrue: it might force the "others" to do something about it...
20111106 13:55:39< Ivanovic> ;)
20111106 13:55:51< Ivanovic> happygrue: but it would be nice if you could remind noy about the descriptions every now and then
20111106 13:56:13< happygrue> basically, they are in pretty good shape right now but this alignment change is likely to mess with things, then there is more testing. As for being ready for default... pipe dreams? I don't know. Maybe they would be good enough that everyone loves them and wants them in default
20111106 13:56:27< happygrue> okay, I can do that
20111106 13:57:28< happygrue> Ivanovic: regarding the alignment change, I can't remember who (if anyone) is working on that
20111106 13:57:52< happygrue> I'll ask noy, but that is the big priority for moving these guys forward
20111106 13:58:18< happygrue> which might be problematic with an addon spinoff?  Not sure how that is going to work
20111106 13:58:47< happygrue> that is, I'm not sure what needs to change.  Or maybe some WML magic band-aid can make it work for development?  I can't do that right now
20111106 13:59:04< Ivanovic> [11:09:59] <noy> I don't think we can get the Khalifate in unless its pushed back to like feb
20111106 13:59:07< Ivanovic> [11:10:19] <noy> we made some pretty significant changes that can't be playtested in any reasonable time
20111106 13:59:12< happygrue> maybe over chirstmas break if no progress
20111106 13:59:15< happygrue> yeah, I saw that
20111106 13:59:28< Ivanovic> that is all info i got
20111106 13:59:32< happygrue> okay
20111106 13:59:35< happygrue> I'll ask noy
20111106 13:59:37< Ivanovic> no idea how easy/difficult this stuff is to do in an addon
20111106 13:59:52< happygrue> that might mean 'design changes which have yet to be implemented' but we'll see... ;)
20111106 13:59:59< Ivanovic> but it *should* be possible since there is no difference between mainline and addon regarding the possibilities
20111106 14:00:21< Ivanovic> anyway, i am off for some hours
20111106 14:00:27< happygrue> okay, see you
20111106 14:03:50< stikonas> it would probably be good idea to check http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SpellingMistakes before the string freeze
20111106 14:04:37< Ivanovic> stikonas: plain spelling fixes can still be done using pofix
20111106 14:04:54< stikonas> ok
20111106 14:05:14< Ivanovic> though yeah, it would be lovely if eg esr could have a look at that list
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20111106 15:31:46< Gambit> mordante: Is this something you'd be interested in adding to GUI2 or not at all: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=35391
20111106 15:32:11< Gambit> They basically want a control that displays text until you do a slow double click. Then it turns into a text entry box.
20111106 15:32:28< Gambit> And I guess you'd enter your text and hit enter to save it and turn it back into just displaying text.
20111106 15:32:54< Gambit> Would be useful for not just renaming units in the recall list, but also when saving/loading saved games or maps in the editor.
20111106 15:34:15< Gambit> If it's not a control/widget/thinger that GUI2 will ever support then I can let them know.
20111106 15:40:19< fendrin> hi
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20111106 15:46:30< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: you should have added that as a proxy variable in the unit
20111106 15:46:43< anonymissimus> not as a separate function
20111106 15:47:17< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: is the release just around the corner ?
20111106 15:49:42< fendrin> Ivanovic: shadowmaster pointed out that the multiple leaders in LoW are hard to get. I would like to fix that as a last action before the string freeze. 2 extra small translatable strings should do it. 
20111106 15:51:42< fendrin> mordante: I think the artist intended the look of the button like it is.
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20111106 15:56:10< AI0867> mordante: it should still use libsvn by default. Where does it fail?
20111106 15:57:48< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: and I'd like to replace this function shadowmaster added, otherwise I need to add backwards compat later extra for this
20111106 16:00:28< fendrin> Ivanovic: Another thing is LoW multiplayer, if the feature frezze will be delayed there is a chance that crab_ finds the time to implement the proper support for MP campaign setup. Then we could ship with LoW MP enabled.
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20111106 16:16:33< Gambit> Khalfia was removed?
20111106 16:18:29< Gambit> ah
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20111106 16:53:05< CIA-99> anonymissimus * r51891 /trunk/ (data/lua/wml-tags.lua src/scripting/lua.cpp): replace wesnoth.unit_image_mods with a proxy field
20111106 16:53:13< CIA-99> anonymissimus * r51892 /trunk/changelog: changelog update/correction
20111106 16:56:24< anonymissimus> *puh*
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20111106 17:32:46< CIA-99> anonymissimus * r51893 /trunk/src/ (unit.cpp unit.hpp): return by const ref
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20111106 18:15:44< CIA-99> espreon * r51894 /trunk/data/multiplayer/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Ran umcpropfix.
20111106 18:21:40< anonymissimus> Espreon: "khalifate still appear in tools/emacs_mode/wesnoth-wml-data.el but I have no idea how to handle that file" I think you maintain it ?
20111106 18:22:18< Espreon> I do not.
20111106 18:22:43< fendrin> anonymissimus: I can take care.
20111106 18:22:46< anonymissimus> although I wonder whether it makes sense to remove it; and why do they appear there at all ? I though that file only conatins info about know tags/keys
20111106 18:24:34< anonymissimus> ah, its the macros ERA_KHALIFATE and the one for khlifate names
20111106 18:25:26< anonymissimus> well it just means that these macros are known to emacs wml mode autocomplation, so since the actual macros are removed from mainline they should be removed there as well
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20111106 18:27:31< Espreon> Soliton: Aethermaw has a broken image reference and some un-TCed unit images.
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20111106 18:53:31< shadowmaster> anonymissimus: yay! thanks!
20111106 18:57:55< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: I have poked Crab_ *repeatedly* about it during the last few months
20111106 19:00:17< shadowmaster> As for my status, I don't have further features planned that are feasible to implement right now.
20111106 19:07:48< mordante> Gambit, what is the idea, to rename to unit or add extra information to it?
20111106 19:07:58< Gambit> To rename it.
20111106 19:08:36< mordante> fendrin the problem, the button doesn't fit with the rest of the GUI, the colours are wrong
20111106 19:09:01< Gambit> mordante: it's similar to going to your file browser and slow double clicking a folder and then you get a box to rename the folder
20111106 19:09:36< Gambit> Hmmm except my file browser appears not to have this.
20111106 19:09:55< mordante> AI0867, I see you added a json dependency :-(
20111106 19:10:46< AI0867> mordante: yeah, the json is necessary for communicating with github itself (rather than the git repositories)
20111106 19:11:08< AI0867> and I had to include libgithub unconditionally in order to catch its exceptions
20111106 19:14:56< mordante> Gambit, it could be added, whether it should be a slow double click is another matter
20111106 19:15:07< mordante> at the moment we don't support slow double clicks
20111106 19:15:39< mordante> AI0867, ok installed it, testing now
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20111106 19:32:12< AI0867> simplejson should be part of python 2.6 and above though
20111106 19:32:57< AI0867> ah, I got the import wrong
20111106 19:33:04< AI0867> simplejson is the externally distributed one
20111106 19:33:11< AI0867> json is the name it was included under in 2.6
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20111106 19:38:04< mordante> well seems to work now, at least the upload is still running
20111106 19:38:30< CIA-99> ai0867 * r51895 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/libgithub.py: Use distributed-with-python-since-2.6 json if simplejson isn't available
20111106 19:38:43< AI0867> this should fix the dependency
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20111106 19:40:50< Soliton> Espreon: you're welcome to fix it.
20111106 19:53:20< Ivanovic> fendrin: considering that crab_ seems to be *really* busy with work lately i guess that he won't find time to look at the low mp stuff
20111106 19:53:47< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: how much time do you need?
20111106 19:54:02< Ivanovic> (meaning: hey, you were prewarned via the ML, too and that already ages ago...)
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20111106 19:54:56< Ivanovic> fendrin: uhm, why have you not committed the string changes yet?
20111106 19:57:10< AI0867> there's two things I want to do, one is a bug and can wait, the other is a feature
20111106 19:57:22< Ivanovic> AI0867: then get them done!
20111106 19:57:29< AI0867> compiling...
20111106 19:57:43< AI0867> the feature requires header changes =/
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20111106 20:18:11< CIA-99> espreon * r51896 /trunk/data/multiplayer/scenarios/2p_Aethermaw.cfg: Converted a hyphen-minus to an em dash; corrected a factual error.
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20111106 20:25:02< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: ready to go
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20111106 20:25:27< anonymissimus> and I think we should make a release now, it's been long since 1.9.9
20111106 20:25:45< Ivanovic> yes, it really has
20111106 20:26:02< Espreon> ... No........
20111106 20:26:29< Ivanovic> Espreon: from what i heard you appear to be the only one with the "clicking - lag issue"
20111106 20:27:00< Espreon> Or at least people here aren't playing enough to notice it.
20111106 20:27:58< Espreon> anonymissimus: Did you get my message about this compilation errors?
20111106 20:28:01< Espreon> *those
20111106 20:28:26< anonymissimus> Espreon: well I really tried reproducing your lag bug, with drakes, to no avail
20111106 20:28:36< anonymissimus> Espreon: apparently not
20111106 20:29:10< Espreon> anonymissimus: 06:45 < Espreon> anonymissimus: http://pastebin.com/5vHzhP81 ... Help... it hates me...
20111106 20:29:45< Espreon> Hmmm, actually I can name three places that need hyphen-minuses to be replaced.
20111106 20:30:02< Espreon> *places that have hyphen-minuses that need
20111106 20:30:10< Espreon> Blargh.
20111106 20:30:37< Espreon> And I think I can only take care of one...
20111106 20:30:50< anonymissimus> Espreon: looks weird, I dont get those
20111106 20:31:10< anonymissimus> I get the warnings about duplicate sections, btu not these errors about duplicate definitions
20111106 20:31:20< Espreon> What should I do?
20111106 20:31:41< anonymissimus> and they point to std::something
20111106 20:34:25< anonymissimus> hm I dunno, options to try: 1) ask loonycyborg 2) ask exasperation 3) try to get the same compiler version I have and the libs were probably compiled with (4.5.2) 4) try it in a real windows install, not VM
20111106 20:34:32< Ivanovic> Espreon: can you describe when/how the lagging *exactly* happens?
20111106 20:34:55< Soliton> make clean and try again?
20111106 20:34:59< Ivanovic> and can you also pastebin your preferences file?
20111106 20:35:41< shadowmaster> (removing the MP password if it's present in it)
20111106 20:35:41< Espreon> Ivanovic: It happens when I'm attacking units. Sometimes, after a single strike, the entire game will freeze for a few seconds. I think I started noticing it after the unit_map changes.
20111106 20:36:10< Ivanovic> is there a difference based on the units used when attacking?
20111106 20:36:13< Ivanovic> on the maps used?
20111106 20:36:24< Ivanovic> based on the targets of the attacks?
20111106 20:36:49< Ivanovic> and the type of the attack?
20111106 20:36:52< anonymissimus> Espreon: maybe you downloaded the wrong compiler branch, there's one with this "sjlj" and another one with "dw2"
20111106 20:36:58< Soliton> is that with a clean install, no addons?
20111106 20:37:06< anonymissimus> and afaik you need the sjlj one
20111106 20:37:06< Espreon> anonymissimus: Which one do I need?
20111106 20:37:17< Espreon> http://pastebin.com/h0z9hAHL'
20111106 20:37:20< Espreon> Whoops.
20111106 20:37:21< Espreon> http://pastebin.com/h0z9hAHL
20111106 20:37:25< Espreon> There.
20111106 20:37:52< Espreon> Soliton: No, I have add-ons, but let me see if I have any bad add-ons...
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20111106 20:38:52< anonymissimus> Espreon: simply temporarily delete your pref file and addons dir I suggest
20111106 20:40:47< shadowmaster> --config-dir /tmp/something   is a somewhat equivalent alternative
20111106 20:41:31< Espreon> OK, no WML is leaking out of the add-ons I have installed.
20111106 20:41:53< Espreon> Hold on...
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20111106 20:46:06< Espreon> anonymissimus: I think there also has to be a lot of AI units on the map for it to appear.
20111106 20:46:13< Ivanovic> Espreon: just with your config file i seem to not get any hangs over here in two brothers (first scenario=
20111106 20:46:16< Espreon> I saw it on THoT 3.
20111106 20:46:30< Ivanovic> Espreon: then please attach a savegame to the bug report for a case where it does happen often
20111106 20:46:53< loonycyborg> Espreon: Can that compiler even build binaries?
20111106 20:47:08< Espreon> loonycyborg: I have no idea.
20111106 20:47:22< loonycyborg> I'd say it's either broken itself or there's a redundant lib somewhere.
20111106 20:47:25< Espreon> I just blindly followed the magickal readme.
20111106 20:48:31< Espreon> No, I'm sorry, it was THoT 5.
20111106 20:48:38< anonymissimus> did you get this tdm-gcc-4.6.1 ?
20111106 20:48:52< Espreon> Yes.
20111106 20:49:02< anonymissimus> from http://tdm-gcc.tdragon.net/download
20111106 20:49:17< Espreon> Yes.
20111106 20:49:21< loonycyborg> You can try building a simple C++ program. Maybe something like "#include <stdexcept>\nint main() {throw std::invalid_argument(); }
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20111106 20:51:00< Espreon> Ah, got it.
20111106 20:51:20< Espreon> I just need to attach it... and... hopefully others will be able to reproduce it.
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20111106 20:53:25< Espreon> OK, it's up.
20111106 20:53:26< anonymissimus> esr: you've got too add spelling exceptions for "staves"
20111106 20:54:20< Espreon> Ugh...
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20111106 21:08:25< anonymissimus> I can reproduce Espreon's lag with that save
20111106 21:09:46< anonymissimus> seems its the standing animation which gets played
20111106 21:10:00< anonymissimus> althougzh I have them disabled
20111106 21:10:26 * anonymissimus thinks that standing animations shouldnt have been added in the first place
20111106 21:11:19< Espreon> I was fine with them when they were just limited to things like bats.
20111106 21:12:31< Espreon> anonymissimus: I am using the sjlj one.
20111106 21:13:11< anonymissimus> yeah but then apparently some artists felt they want to add some new fancy stuff although old stuff is unfinished
20111106 21:13:35< anonymissimus> somewhere I read that every unit should have a death animation, how many have...heh...
20111106 21:14:00< anonymissimus> but I'm bitching about art again
20111106 21:18:58< CIA-99> ai0867 * r51897 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: Some test scenario changes
20111106 21:19:11< CIA-99> ai0867 * r51898 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Add [unit_type]image_icon key (FR bug #15466)
20111106 21:19:11< AI0867> Espreon, Ivanovic: ^
20111106 21:19:14< AI0867> I'm done
20111106 21:19:39< Espreon> AI0867: Cool. Thanks.
20111106 21:21:36< CIA-99> espreon * r51899 /trunk/src/ (leader_list.cpp multiplayer_connect.cpp): Replaced some hyphen-minuses with em dashes.
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20111106 21:25:05-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.9.10 (start of string-/feature-freeze) planned for Nov. 7th, 17:00 GMT+1 | 170 bugs, 327 feature requests, 11 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20111106 21:25:16< Ivanovic> okay, i'll wait till tomorrow, meaning: i plan to release 1.9.10 at about 17:00 local time (in germany)
20111106 21:25:44< timotei> does the string/feature freeze mean: no bug fixes?
20111106 21:25:50< Ivanovic> Espreon: honestly, the lagging i see there is rather shortish
20111106 21:25:58< Ivanovic> timotei: it means: bug fixes *ONLY*
20111106 21:26:07< timotei> Ok
20111106 21:26:07< Espreon> Ivanovic: Well, I find it atrocious.
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20111106 21:27:01< anonymissimus> it means: be very clever in cloaking your features as bugfixes
20111106 21:29:26< AI0867> or, rush in your features unfinished so you can call the rest of the work bugfixes
20111106 21:29:47< timotei> xD
20111106 21:29:48< anonymissimus> such as you just did
20111106 21:30:13< anonymissimus> (i hope not though)
20111106 21:31:54< Gambit> Standing animations are awesome :@
20111106 21:32:58< anonymissimus> standing animations are reponsible for a ton of troubles
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20111106 21:33:18< Gambit> But they look so cool :(
20111106 21:35:04< anonymissimus> how about announcing a certain deadline but keeping secret that there will be added some days anyway in future ?
20111106 21:35:27< anonymissimus> "sorry guys, this was just the test that everything's ready"
20111106 21:39:56< shadowmaster> AI0867: +1
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20111106 21:42:56< CIA-99> espreon * r51900 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/units/monsters/ (Alien_Body.cfg Alien_Body2.cfg Alien_Spire.cfg): Make use of image_icon= for the Central Body and the Pulsing Spire units.
20111106 21:50:06< mordante> I'm off night
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20111106 21:56:50< anonymissimus> fendrin: as for your two bugs there, for the $second_unit one, did you yet document it in the wiki ? maybe just delete the changelog entry if you put any, so you don't need to fix something there until the release
20111106 21:57:38< anonymissimus> and the other one also isn't that important to submit something before the release, better don't rush
20111106 21:58:55< shadowmaster> I don't know what to think after spending some time fixing the Khalifate WML...
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20111106 22:34:26< CIA-99> anonymissimus * r51901 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: add getter for [race]undead_variation
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20111106 22:34:55< CIA-99> anonymissimus * r51902 /trunk/changelog: changelog update
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