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20111110 00:55:44< CIA-81> anonymissimus * r51931 /trunk/src/unit.cpp: fix [effect][filter] not working correctly regarding locations
20111110 00:55:54< CIA-81> anonymissimus * r51932 /trunk/projectfiles/CodeBlocks/README.txt: update built instructions
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20111110 10:56:13< CIA-81> ivanovic * r51933 /trunk/ (8 files in 7 dirs): updated Galician and Latvian translation
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20111110 12:23:08< CIA-81> ivanovic * r51934 /trunk/ (8 files in 7 dirs): updated Korean translation
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20111110 15:45:59< CIA-81> ivanovic * r51935 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/index.php: since we are in beta time for 1.10 now, switch the default version displayed at g.w.o to trunk
20111110 15:49:38< CIA-81> ai0867 * r51936 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/ (libgithub.py wescamp.py): 
20111110 15:49:38< CIA-81> Further implement libgithub.
20111110 15:49:38< CIA-81> Most functions from libsvn that are used now have an equivalent.
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20111110 17:09:29< CIA-81> elias * r51937 /trunk/data/tools/wmlunits: [wmlunits] Use en_US instead of C for the default language.
20111110 17:14:56< Gambit> Ivanovic: are you okay with me deleting the commented out old content on that page?
20111110 17:15:15< Ivanovic> ???
20111110 17:15:24< Ivanovic> which old content on what page?
20111110 17:16:55< Gambit> /start/1.10
20111110 17:17:24< Gambit> all the 1.8 content is still on it, just commented out
20111110 17:17:59< Ivanovic> Gambit: it is just there as placeholder/sample of how things can look
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20111110 17:35:59< Gambit> What's everyones favorite add-ons here?
20111110 17:36:11< Gambit> I want to have a screenshot of the new "remove multiple add-ons at once" menu
20111110 17:38:37< Ivanovic> why not use something from a wesnoth dev like eg invasion from the unknown
20111110 17:38:49< Gambit> well I need to have a bunch installed to make it look nice
20111110 17:39:03< Gambit> IftU will definitely be on there
20111110 17:39:22< Gambit> Ageless Era is pretty popular.
20111110 17:39:37< Gambit> Wings of Victory
20111110 17:39:58< Gambit> Need at least four more.
20111110 17:40:01< Ivanovic> are the khalifate already transfered into an addon?
20111110 17:40:06< Ivanovic> if yes: please add those, too
20111110 17:40:32< Gambit> They're not yet.
20111110 17:40:38< Gambit> I can make a fake folder
20111110 17:41:07< Gambit> Or I can just wait and hope not to forget.
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20111110 17:44:59< anonymissimus> why isn't there vconfig::remove_child ? thats precisely what I need
20111110 17:45:17< Gambit> Ah I'll copy it over from 1.8. They'll probably keep the same name and everything on it.
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20111110 17:47:22< anonymissimus> seems that vconfigs aren't designed to be modified...
20111110 17:50:41< AI0867> they can't be
20111110 17:50:54< AI0867> why would you need to change one?
20111110 17:54:02< anonymissimus> because [effect][filter]$this_unit.something vconfigs need to be passed to functions taking only config, resulting false warnings about unknown variabels when calling get_parsed_config()
20111110 17:54:42< anonymissimus> after the [effect][filter]$this_unit.something has been correctly handled I would need to remove the filter child
20111110 17:55:20< anonymissimus> I could only do this by calling get_config, removing it, making it a vconfig again
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20111110 18:15:41< CIA-81> grickit * r51938 /website/start/1.10/ (13 files in 2 dirs): A good screenshot, a bad/placeholder screenshot, and some short paragraphs
20111110 18:22:50< Gambit> Espreon: You and others have put a lot of work into UtBS right? What has changed?
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20111110 18:37:36< CIA-81> grickit * r51939 /website/start/1.10/template.html: List the newly added multiplayer maps
20111110 18:41:20< Espreon> Gambit: No, not really.
20111110 18:41:37< Espreon> Nothing spectacular happened this cycle.
20111110 18:42:25< Gambit> Hmmm. I guess I just saw you talking about it a lot. Okay. Sorry.
20111110 18:42:41< Espreon> Yeah. It's fine
20111110 18:45:36< CIA-81> espreon * r51940 /website/start/1.10/ (59 files in 4 dirs): Ran umcpropfix and dos2unix.
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20111110 18:49:26< Espreon> Ivanovic: In languages.conf, why is it "en_shaw"?
20111110 18:49:41< Ivanovic> huh?
20111110 18:49:47< CIA-81> grickit * r51941 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Plug Wesnoth-UMC-Dev project
20111110 18:49:54< Espreon> in website/start/1.10/languages.conf
20111110 18:50:15< Ivanovic> ah, right, those entries behave strangely with an @ in the filename
20111110 18:50:31< Espreon> Oh, OK.
20111110 18:52:09< Ivanovic> Espreon: the problem lies in the language selection itself
20111110 18:52:37< Ivanovic> meaning the server side stuff, there an @ in the selection is problematic IIRC
20111110 18:53:00< Espreon> Ivanovic: Why aren't there any entries for sr@ijekavian, sr@ijekavianlatin, sr@latin, racv, and ca_ES@valencia?
20111110 18:53:28< Ivanovic> racv because it is 100% inactive and too problematic to find something that the specs allow
20111110 18:53:39< Ivanovic> the @ is the problem for those other langs
20111110 18:54:03< Ivanovic> not sure if i had much in mind regarding those langs or not
20111110 18:54:27< Espreon> Why can't we just use stuff like "sr_latin" and "ca_ES_valencia"?
20111110 18:54:35< Espreon> We already do it for en@shaw.
20111110 18:55:56< Ivanovic> like i said: [18:54:03] <Ivanovic> not sure if i had much in mind regarding those langs or not
20111110 18:56:01< Ivanovic> and not sure what will work there how
20111110 18:57:29< CIA-81> espreon * r51942 /website/start/1.10/languages.conf: Corrected name for Friulian; listed more missing language codes.
20111110 19:03:32< Espreon> Gambit: "The hero Kaleh's custom advancements in <cite>Under the Burning
20111110 19:03:32< Espreon> Suns</cite>, long a source of problems, have been redesigned in a more robust
20111110 19:03:36< Espreon> and streamlined fashion." ... LOL, wut?
20111110 19:03:48< Espreon> Please tell me that's old content lingering in the file.
20111110 19:04:56< Gambit> yes
20111110 19:05:11< Espreon> Good.
20111110 19:05:13< Gambit> I'm removing that stuff in the next commit
20111110 19:05:29< Gambit> There's enough new content for people to ascertain the style
20111110 19:08:02< noy> AI0867: I think you misinterpreted my advice
20111110 19:08:44< noy> I think they should transition to 1.9.10, and dl the khalifate
20111110 19:09:13< CIA-81> espreon * r51943 /website/start/1.10/languages.conf: Fixed Marathi's name.
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20111110 19:14:54< CIA-81> grickit * r51944 /website/start/1.10/ (images/start-4-full.jpg images/start-4.jpg template.html): Starting on the "For Content Developers" section
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20111110 19:21:48< CIA-81> grickit * r51945 /website/start/1.10/template.html: The Dead Water screenshot sucks and should be replaced with one that kills two birds with one stone.
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20111110 19:30:38< Gambit> 200 internets to the first person to get me a screenshot of Dead Water that shows off the new terrain, the whiteboard, and has at least one slowed unit. :)
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20111110 20:30:11< Sapient> AI0867: hi
20111110 20:31:43< Sapient> that stuff from my berlios repsitory is outdated and irrelevant. please don't bother migrating it to a new repository
20111110 20:32:53< Sapient> if I do put my maps in a new repository it will probably be wesnoth-umc-dev
20111110 20:34:02< Ivanovic> Sapient: the relevant part there is translations
20111110 20:34:11< Ivanovic> not maintaining work on the campaign itself
20111110 20:34:37< Ivanovic> but providing some structure for (automized) translations of UMC so that the UMC creator does not have too much work with it
20111110 20:35:42< shadowmaster> semi-automatic
20111110 20:36:05< Sapient> translation versioning is automated now?
20111110 20:36:26< shadowmaster> last time I checked, a certain busy developer still had to run a script by hand to synchronize wescamp trees with the add-ons server.
20111110 20:37:03< shadowmaster> also, UMC maintainers still have to pull translations from WesCamp-i18n by hand.
20111110 20:37:34< Sapient> well my first last name and email address are all on the credits page
20111110 20:37:44< Sapient> to whom it may concern
20111110 20:38:31< Sapient> apparently someone un-obfuscated it too :/
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20111110 20:44:52< Sapient> Ivanovic: so if I update my mappack on the campaign server it will automatically update the strings for translators in WesCamp ?
20111110 20:45:09< Ivanovic> Sapient: the plan is that *eventually* it will do so
20111110 20:45:20< Ivanovic> currently things are, uhm, semiautomatic, as shadowmaster already said
20111110 20:45:54< Sapient> ok, to rephrase my question...
20111110 20:46:12< Sapient> if I update my mappack on the campaign server will helpful gremlins update the strings for translators in WesCamp ?
20111110 20:46:32< Ivanovic> if you set the respective parameter in your pbl: yes
20111110 20:46:57< Ivanovic> but (currently) getting the updated .mo files still has to be done manually by the addon uploader
20111110 20:47:07< shadowmaster> and as long as all textdomain bindings in your WML are good (i.e. wesnoth-Addon_Name instead of wesnoth-AN)
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20111110 20:48:37< Sapient> ah, in that case there might be several .mo lying unused
20111110 20:50:05< shadowmaster> yes, the manual part is really tedious and IME it's very easy to forget about it if the translators don't remind you of their work
20111110 20:50:24< Sapient> wow, someone translated it to Shavian
20111110 20:50:40< Ivanovic> he basically created a script to do most of the transformation automatically
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20111110 20:52:06< shadowmaster> then one year later you have an angry translator knocking at your door, er, forum thread
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20111110 21:27:38< CIA-81> shadowmaster * r51946 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog src/menu_events.cpp): Revert r51873, fixing disappearing UI buttons after Display settings changes in-game
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20111110 21:28:19< shadowmaster> fendrin: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?18955
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20111110 21:40:10< fendrin> shadowmaster: It's either a player can't read bug or a translation problem. The victory condition in prose is "Kill *any* of the orc leaders" matching the coded one. 
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20111110 21:44:19< shadowmaster> I imagine tekelili is using the Spanish translation. The victory condition is currently untranslated.
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20111110 21:51:05< fendrin> shadowmaster: Yeah, same as in German, still untranslated. I guess tekelili is not that good in English and didn't get that any != all
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20111110 22:00:35< shadowmaster> wesbot: seen ilor
20111110 22:00:35< wesbot> shadowmaster: Sorry, I don't know of ilor.
20111110 22:00:39< shadowmaster> wesbot: seen ilor_
20111110 22:00:40< wesbot> shadowmaster: Sorry, I don't know of ilor_.
20111110 22:00:44< shadowmaster> sadness
20111110 22:01:39< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: he was not around for what feels like *ages*
20111110 22:02:39< shadowmaster> mordante: are you somewhat familiarized with the editor code (and perhaps Boost.foreach's implementation too)? https://gna.org/bugs/?18928 has led me to a very strange finding I'll post in it later.
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20111110 22:12:21< shadowmaster> and posted
20111110 22:17:21< anonymissimus> wesbot: log 51873
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20111110 22:17:23< wesbot> shadowmaster * r51873 : Remove an unneded call to redraw the whole display after showing the Preferences dialog in-game
20111110 22:17:26< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=51873
20111110 22:19:00< CIA-81> anonymissimus * r51947 /trunk/src/unit.cpp: fix most invalid messages about invalid variable accesses (bug #18893)
20111110 22:19:12< CIA-81> anonymissimus * r51948 /trunk/data/lua/helper.lua: fix bug #18966
20111110 22:21:56< anonymissimus> wesbot: topic
20111110 22:21:57-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: String/feature-freeze active for trunk | 170 bugs, 326 feature requests, 13 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20111110 22:28:05< anonymissimus> noy: would you mind me creating the era addon Khalifate+Default ? I'd just fetch the last state from mainline, making sure that shadowmaster's work doesn't get lost and this becomes a clean addon, and put it into the wesnoth umc repo
20111110 22:28:26< noy>  there is already an add on 
20111110 22:28:29< noy> use that one
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20111110 22:28:53< noy> its the most modern version that Happygrue has been balancing from
20111110 22:31:04< anonymissimus> it is supposedly much less work to put balancing changes from the old addon into the new addon created from the last mainline state than porting the wml improvements the other way
20111110 22:31:41< anonymissimus> but if you want to do it this way I'm not interested anyway
20111110 22:32:01< anonymissimus> and shadowmaster's work is gone :(
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20111110 22:39:43< anonymissimus> Espreon: how does one get the urls for downloading addons from the UMC repo ?
20111110 22:39:47< shadowmaster> anonymissimus: since you are on Windows, could you try to reproduce https://gna.org/bugs/?17220 on 1.9.10?
20111110 22:40:45< shadowmaster> the Wesnoth-UMC-Dev repository URI is http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/wesnoth-umc-dev, so you only need to append the pathm i.e. /trunk/After_the_Storm
20111110 22:40:58< Espreon> anonymissimus: You go to the add-on's root in the web interface and you go to the link that mentions "GNU tarball", which is at the bottom of the file list.
20111110 22:41:07< Espreon> Oh, those.
20111110 22:41:11< Espreon> What shadowmaster said.
20111110 22:41:22< anonymissimus> i mean downloading as a package
20111110 22:41:28< Espreon> Then what I said.
20111110 22:41:30< anonymissimus> not with the VCS system
20111110 22:41:31< shadowmaster> I don't advise downloading add-ons that way :(
20111110 22:42:00< Espreon> anonymissimus: http://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth-umc-dev/files/
20111110 22:42:09< anonymissimus> well downloading with the VCS causes git to read through teh history for ages every time
20111110 22:42:09< shadowmaster> for example, IftU excludes certain files from the add-ons server upload
20111110 22:42:34< anonymissimus> if I dont need somethign for editing I dont download with the VCS
20111110 22:42:37< shadowmaster> well, that URI is for SVN. If you insist on using git-svn, you are responsible for any issues that may arise.
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20111110 22:43:16< shadowmaster> SVN clients are only interested on HEAD, not past history.
20111110 22:43:22< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: is this bug a win-only one ?
20111110 22:43:35< shadowmaster> no idea; I only know I can't reproduce it on 1.9.10
20111110 22:43:42< anonymissimus> I would expect it to be hard to reproduce btu no win only
20111110 22:44:01< shadowmaster> I don't think there's anything hard about typing crap into the save game dialog's input box :)
20111110 22:47:35< anonymissimus> well I can manage to see what I type, BUT the cursor behavior in this dialog has been buggy since quite some time
20111110 22:47:47< anonymissimus> I can reproduce several other things
20111110 22:47:54< anonymissimus> it is hard to describe
20111110 22:48:14< shadowmaster> it works fine for me here even typing non-Latin 1 characters
20111110 22:49:17< shadowmaster> although the ellipsis appears to change vertical alignment depending on whether it's drawn to the right or the left
20111110 22:49:51< anonymissimus> I guess I could only describe this by capturing a screen video
20111110 22:50:14< shadowmaster> scratch that, the vertical alignment changes depending on whether the line is full of katakana or not
20111110 22:51:31< anonymissimus> for instance, the first letter that I would no longer be able to see
20111110 22:51:40< anonymissimus> causes the cursor to jump to the left
20111110 22:51:51< anonymissimus> when I type further letters, they are visible
20111110 22:52:33< anonymissimus> but only since the already written stuff moves to the left
20111110 22:53:11< anonymissimus> and although there are letters on the right side of teh cursor, I can't move it with the arrows to the end
20111110 22:54:02< anonymissimus> next time I compile on Linux and try there whether something's different
20111110 22:56:17< happygrue> noy: anonymissimus Espreon the version that was just removed is the 'most recent' in terms of the WML and formatting etc.
20111110 22:57:12< happygrue> the addon was intended to test balance on 1.8 since there was a bigger user base there, but from now on I don't see any reason to use the old addon.
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20111110 22:57:41< happygrue> I'm still not sure if what is best is a NEW addon based on the most recent removed version or just to wait until trunk.
20111110 22:57:58< happygrue> does anyone know what the status of the liminal change is?
20111110 22:59:33< happygrue> anonymissimus: somehow missed your first line.  that would be great if you could do create that addon, as I won't get to it within weeks
20111110 23:00:52< anonymissimus> Espreon: I dunno, there seem to be listed only some addons
20111110 23:01:00< happygrue> and in the umc repo seems like a good idea
20111110 23:01:08< anonymissimus> aren't they automatically created ?
20111110 23:01:34< noy> happygrue: its in 9.10
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20111110 23:02:30< happygrue> noy: er, I thought it was just taken out?
20111110 23:02:45< noy> liminal was changed
20111110 23:02:51< noy> and added to 1.9.10
20111110 23:02:52< happygrue> oh, ah
20111110 23:02:57< happygrue> well great
20111110 23:03:24< noy> and the khalifate was changed to add it to the jundi, rami and a couple of other units
20111110 23:03:31< Espreon> anonymissimus: Ah, well those are releases. You probably want stuff like this: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk/The_Earths_Gut/?view=tar
20111110 23:03:37< happygrue> okay, good
20111110 23:05:33< anonymissimus> noy: I do not find a khalifate addon on the 1.9 server and from 1.9.10/trunk the khalifate have been removed in r51886
20111110 23:06:08< anonymissimus> so what are you saying "its in 9.10" ?
20111110 23:06:41< noy> anonymissimus: he asked about liminal
20111110 23:06:56< noy> not the khalifate
20111110 23:08:21< anonymissimus> Espreon: yes, and aren't these links listed somewhere ?
20111110 23:08:31< shadowmaster> anonymissimus: no
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20111110 23:20:34< jabagawee_> just wondering, does src/multiplayer_lobby.cpp control the new lobby interface?
20111110 23:21:40< shadowmaster> I think most of the implementation is in src/gui/dialogs and src/gui/dialogs/lobby
20111110 23:22:34< jabagawee_> ah alright, thanks
20111110 23:28:40< jabagawee_> and if anyone knows, when is tlobby_main::update_gamelist() called as opposed to tlobby_main::update_gamelist_diff()
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20111110 23:45:15< AI0867> noy: from where?
20111110 23:45:57< AI0867> sapient: I already migrated it, rsync is like that
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