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20111103 10:17:53< Ivanovic> moin
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20111103 10:52:26< enchilado> moin
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20111103 12:47:32< Kullervo2> die l Ron Hubbard
20111103 12:47:51< Kullervo2> oh wait you're re dead
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20111103 12:49:48< elias> for a moment i thought you mean rob hubbard
20111103 12:51:04< Rhonda> rob hubbard is dead??!
20111103 12:51:40< elias> no
20111103 12:51:46< Rhonda> oh, ron
20111103 12:51:52< Rhonda> damnit, you had me shocked
20111103 12:52:07< elias> sorry
20111103 12:52:18< elias> to me the name hubbard just always means rob
20111103 12:52:23< Rhonda> but l ron hubbard is long gone?
20111103 12:52:42< Rhonda> same to me, and if it even starts off with "ro" it's even more so
20111103 12:55:04< elias> now i wish i had headphones with me :/
20111103 12:55:15< elias> don't think anyone would mind if i would listen to music in the office
20111103 13:01:50< Rhonda> elias: slayradio.org
20111103 13:02:21< Rhonda> and, as golden goodie, rayn hangs out in #slayradio on efnet. :)
20111103 13:02:58 * Rhonda . o O ( not right now, but regularly )
20111103 13:04:11< elias> rayn?
20111103 13:05:47< Rhonda> ouwehand?
20111103 13:06:08< Rhonda> duh, reyn, typo, sorry
20111103 13:06:47< Rhonda> reyn.net
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20111103 22:25:46< Mousey> hey!
20111103 22:26:00< Mousey> any chance Battle For Wesnoth would ever show up on Desura?
20111103 22:26:53< matthewt> what's that
20111103 22:27:42< Ivanovic> matthewt: a steam like download portal
20111103 22:27:52< Ivanovic> Mousey: unlikely, since someone would have to maintain the stuff
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20111103 22:35:58< Mousey> oh?
20111103 22:36:16< Mousey> but it's distro-agnostic, so it'll probably be easy once it's established
20111103 22:36:20< Mousey> ok ok, i'm not gonna try to convince you
20111103 22:36:22< Mousey> just wondering
20111103 22:36:55< Mousey> i'd volunteer to maintain the maintain the desura install, but i'm just a random internetter
20111103 22:37:11< Mousey> that sentence is badly worded
20111103 22:37:42< shadowmaster> Yeah, we have no guarnatee that you'll not add malware into it ;)
20111103 22:37:46< shadowmaster> guarantee
20111103 22:37:48< Mousey> >_<
20111103 22:39:22< Mousey> nevertheless, at least there's a distro agnostic game distribution platform for linux now. I'm not waiting for Valve anymore, and Desura seems more indie developer friendly anyway.. 
20111103 22:39:35< Mousey> i don't work for them or anything, i'm just a recent fanboy. i'll stfu
20111103 22:41:32< shadowmaster> I am actually curious about what you'd have done to try to convince us, since I don't know whether Ivanovic really knows further about Desura (I certainly do not).
20111103 22:42:10< Mousey> well, words
20111103 22:42:32< Mousey> imho, 
20111103 22:43:35< Mousey> i bought all but one of the Humble Indie Bundles, for example... and they're all discrete downloads, i go back later and find out there's Desura keys. so I plug the keys into Desura, and BAM, suddenly all the games are centrally mananged from their catalog, i don't have to manually visit each developer to see if there are updates
20111103 22:44:24< Mousey> the benefit for Wesnoth (to me) would be, when i go to play with other folks, if we all have the Wesnoth from Desura, we don't have to worry about the latest version from each distro (or each OS), and make sure everyone's in sync
20111103 22:44:33< Mousey> also publicity
20111103 22:44:41< Mousey> and it's not like there aren't other OSS games on Desura
20111103 22:45:11< Mousey> like Alien Arena and Red Eclipse, Dwarf Fortress is up there too, tho it's just freeware and not free software
20111103 22:45:50< Ivanovic> questions are like: what to distribute there? stable series or dev series?
20111103 22:45:58< shadowmaster> I imagine that would make sense only for stable->stable upgrades, though. (i.e. 1.8.1 -> 1.8.2 or 1.8.6 -> 1.10.0), since development versions tend to include more disruptive changes moer often.
20111103 22:46:05< Ivanovic> besides: wesnoth is by far more open than anything from those bundles
20111103 22:46:35< shadowmaster> The oldstable->newstable case can also be disruptive in the case of UMC, but that doesn't occur as often.
20111103 22:46:35< Ivanovic> so the bundles have to provide a closed binary package anyway, for wesnoth there is no "distribution independent package", simply since it tends to be in the package manager itself
20111103 22:47:06< Mousey> UFO: Alien Invasion, Alien Arena, Red Eclipse are all apt-get installable, yet they're on desura too.. they're OSS friendly
20111103 22:47:37< Ivanovic> Mousey: what i want to say with this is: there is noone creating a "general linux package" atm
20111103 22:47:53< Ivanovic> so someone would have to create that "generic linux installer" first
20111103 22:47:57< Mousey> there's probably some Desura-specific way of doing it. I know they have some special library management system
20111103 22:48:20< Mousey> http://www.desura.com/development
20111103 22:48:35< Mousey> they try to be up front about their tools.. i know it's a time/knowledgebase investment tho
20111103 22:52:32< Ivanovic> i don't see anything on that page, no howto, nothing (at least not without registering)
20111103 22:52:38< Ivanovic> all i see there is marketing foo
20111103 22:54:03< Mousey> oh
20111103 22:54:11 * Mousey shrugs
20111103 22:54:35< Mousey> hmm, 
20111103 22:54:37 * Mousey digs deeprs
20111103 22:56:55< Mousey> yah, the Add Your Game section seems comprehensive
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20111103 23:03:31 * Ivanovic already dislikes that you already need an account just to see the information regarding what is required to add stuff
20111103 23:04:05< Mousey> well it's like steam right?
20111103 23:04:18< Ivanovic> wesnoth is not in steam either
20111103 23:04:20< Ivanovic> ;)
20111103 23:05:42< Mousey> yes well that's because Steam isn't as friendly ^_^
20111103 23:07:15< Mousey> they say things like "Or is your game already on ModDB or IndieDB? Then you don't need to re-add it to Desura, you simply need to publish it via the development page."
20111103 23:10:17< Mousey> i doubt steam would ever say something like that
20111103 23:11:52< Mousey> anyway.. they're getting a lot of penguin love these days.. you can tell i'm pretty stoked by them.. i have to go do my IRL job now, so i can't dig any deeper (without pretending i'm adding my "game").. I hope you guys take another look at it anyway, it'd be really cool to see wesnoth up there. ^_^
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20111103 23:49:04< noy> Mousey: we're pretty ambivalent about distro systems
20111103 23:49:44< noy> Our current system works fairly well and we're a bit wary about taking on more responsibilities. 
20111103 23:51:39< Mousey> i hearya bro
20111103 23:51:58< Mousey> if it doesn't show up, its cool, i still play the sh!t out of wesnoth every chance i get
20111103 23:52:16< Mousey> it'd just be easier if i could just say to people, hey go on desura and get wesnoth so u can play with me. 
20111103 23:52:36< Mousey> i get it tho, yet-another-platform can be a lot
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