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20111114 10:13:28< Ivanovic> moin
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20111114 14:37:34< Gambit> Ugh: https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/wesnoth
20111114 14:38:32< Mkaysi> Spam :O
20111114 14:38:38< Gambit> Yeah
20111114 14:38:47< Gambit> But what's weird is that it's having people check out the forum index.
20111114 14:38:51< Gambit> And not a specific spammy post.
20111114 14:39:04< Gambit> Ordinarily the spambots will direct people at their spam threads.
20111114 14:39:37< Rhonda> huhm
20111114 14:39:43< Rhonda> should I update my ubuntu PPA to 1.9.10?
20111114 14:39:51< Rhonda> There is 1.9.9 "only" in there
20111114 14:39:58< Jarkko> That's just evil.
20111114 14:39:59< Gambit> Yes please.
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20111114 14:45:06< janebot> Twitter: @Wesnoth: @BlackBulletIV Glad to hear you're having fun! There's lots of guides on the wiki for making add-ons and help available on the forums. [ Nov-14-2011 13:44 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/cwsmekx ]
20111114 14:45:43< Gambit> Yesss. Draw them to the forums. Buahaha
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20111114 15:51:14< Talad> http://slashdot.org/recent please vote up "5 free games join forces! Free Game Alliance"
20111114 15:59:01< Rhonda> pfft, linkspam
20111114 15:59:36< Talad> maybe you don't know wesnoth is part of that alliance.
20111114 15:59:54< Talad> check the wesnoth website and the FGA logo on the left
20111114 16:02:54< Talad> so please vote the story up, so the initiative will be more known
20111114 16:05:03< Rhonda> That planeshift is part of that alliance makes the whole alliance a big fail.
20111114 16:05:32< Rhonda> planeshift is far from being an OSI game. All the game data is highly proprietary, and that intentionally.
20111114 16:05:59< Rhonda> I fail to see how planeshift matches the guidelines set out therein.
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20111114 16:11:28< sfb> haha
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20111114 21:25:07< janebot> Twitter: @Wesnoth: @BlackBulletIV They might be missing new things, or there might be deprecated stuff, but everything there should still be valuable to read. [ Nov-14-2011 20:23 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/blecqft ]
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20111114 21:26:38< jANaM> Maybe some bugs have already been reported about 1.9.10 in planning mode?
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20111114 21:28:14< Soliton> certainly possible.
20111114 21:29:19< jANaM> Today is the first day I fully understood planning mode with all its features  in 1.9.10. I like it.
20111114 21:29:36< jANaM> and its no longer a headache as I thought it previously was.
20111114 21:30:40< Soliton> cool.
20111114 21:31:04< jANaM> I'm trying now with a friend at ANL
20111114 21:31:18< Soliton> suggestions to tweak it to be more intuitive/easy to use are welcome.
20111114 21:31:54< jANaM> I marked someone as 'Suppose Dead' and... my friend couldn't attack it.. until it was my turn and I removed it
20111114 21:32:38< grzywacz> :)
20111114 21:32:54< jANaM> Is this supposed to be this way?
20111114 21:33:09< Soliton> i don't think so.
20111114 21:33:20< jANaM> My friend said that the skull was like a curse, but after he tried to attack it he said it was more like a blessing :)
20111114 21:34:21< jANaM> suggestions to tweak it to be more intuitive/easy to use are welcome. >> Could my friend see if I use a ranged or a melee attack?
20111114 21:34:34< Soliton> i've seen issues with suppose dead being discussed, so it might already be mentioned on the tracker. otherwise please file a bug.
20111114 21:34:36< jANaM> he/she says he/she can't right now.
20111114 21:35:04< jANaM> It would be my first bug. I don't know how this could be reproduced. Maybe just attach my replay?
20111114 21:35:31< Gambit> Well do the exact same thing again and try to boil it down to a simple process.
20111114 21:35:53< jANaM> aha, ok. I will try.
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20111114 21:43:15< jANaM> Yes. 'Its enough if one tries with 2 players in A New Land. Player 1 marks an enemy "Suppose Dead". Player 2 tries to attack the unit marked by player 1. It doesn't work. Does it work for you?'. Could this be enough?
20111114 21:44:23< Soliton> sure.
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20111114 21:50:28< jANaM> What I'm interested in is if the enemy can attack us if we are marked as "Supposed Dead". Am testing it now.
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20111114 21:51:49< Soliton> the enemy is not involved in the whiteboard so i doubt it's effected.
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20111114 21:57:39< jANaM> Your doubt was right
20111114 22:01:29< jANaM> It wasn't protected at all by my "Suppose Dead".
20111114 22:01:38< jANaM> at least not from the ai
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20111114 22:11:14< jANaM> That I can even show other players which units I wish to recruit is more than awesome!
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20111114 22:14:35< jANaM> When my friend showed it to me I didn't think that planning mode had gone that far!
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20111114 22:40:58< jANaM> Planning mode just crashed my game. This is another bug but I don't think I have the means to reproduce it. It just happened. (all in planning mode)
20111114 22:41:11< jANaM> I was just to attack an orc in planning mode.
20111114 22:41:18< jANaM> in 1.9.10
20111114 22:41:51< jANaM> I had already two other plans in standby, and this was my 3rd plan.
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20111114 22:44:48< jANaM> My friend says he doesn't remember the message he got when my game crashed, only that it had something to do with the map, and he says it didn't ask him if he wanted to save the game.
20111114 22:47:06< jANaM> he said it wasnt a "regular" error message that had the "wesnoth graphics in them"
20111114 22:47:30< Soliton> so he crashed as well?
20111114 22:48:22< Soliton> would be very good to get a simple way to reproduce that bug, sounds nasty.
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20111114 22:51:31< jANaM> well he didn't give me a clear answer. I'm not at all sure what he got.
20111114 22:53:07< jANaM> I reproduced the bug...but how, hmm. I must try again.
20111114 22:53:21< jANaM> (thx to an auto save)
20111114 22:54:38< jANaM> ok. I know what I did. First plan 1 was to move my leader to the keep. Plan 2 to move my spearman where my leader was and plan 3 was to move my spearman to attack the level 2 orc
20111114 22:56:18< jANaM> also another easily reproducible thing (ANL-specific) is to tell a peasant to move to a place nearby and then build something. Afterwards I can move it to that place I previously planned.
20111114 22:57:36< jANaM> Soliton: Is a wesnoth forum account enough to file a bug at https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?group=wesnoth ?
20111114 22:58:29< Soliton> nope, gna is seperate. you don't need an account at all if you don't want.
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20111114 23:03:05< jANaM> it was easy to register(not really, but I did it anyway)
20111114 23:04:40< jANaM> Do I need to read a manual to know how I can file a bug?
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20111114 23:05:33< shadowmaster> it's supposed to be simple enough, but you can check out our guidelines: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ReportingBugs
20111114 23:05:56< jANaM> I wish I could just click on a "report bug" link somewhere. The word "report" is not even existent in the page.
20111114 23:06:25< jANaM> I'm there. I guess I should look beyond the "Where to report bugs" section?
20111114 23:07:46< jANaM> shadowmaster: Actually I was already there. Scanning the page makes me convinced I was right
20111114 23:08:14< jANaM> right in that there is no reference to take my first step...only in that..
20111114 23:08:40< jANaM> I don't fit the "How to be ignored" so I won't be ignored for those reasons ;)
20111114 23:09:20< shadowmaster> Right. I think I don't know what the problem is, though.
20111114 23:09:37< jANaM> "Register New Project" in gna.org seems to big. I wouldn't choose. It sounds like they ask if I want to register a project, not a bug.
20111114 23:09:44< jANaM> I want to file a bug.
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20111114 23:10:48< jANaM> I've never reported a bug before. I know how to reproduce it.
20111114 23:11:58< jANaM> Soliton: Have you registered a bug before? Do you know how I can too?
20111114 23:12:07< Soliton> in the menu choose bugs and submit or similar.
20111114 23:12:18< Soliton> or go here: https://gna.org/bugs/?func=additem&group=wesnoth
20111114 23:12:50< jANaM> Ah, the menu...yes I shouldn't have search for "report bug", but rather the keyword "bug" was more important...hmm...
20111114 23:14:06< Soliton> note that the wiki page shadowmaster posted also has the direct link. ;-)
20111114 23:15:34< Soliton> (though to be fair just in the FR guidelines.)
20111114 23:15:59< jANaM> Soliton: This link https://gna.org/bugs/?func=additem&group=wesnoth ?
20111114 23:16:30 * Soliton nods.
20111114 23:16:58< jANaM> ah, ok. Only in the French guidelines? Yeah I'm an English person (no, Greek actually)
20111114 23:17:15< jANaM> Yes I found it!
20111114 23:18:15< jANaM> "If you get positiv results on the forum (preferably from at least one developer) you can go ahead and submit your feature request using the" , aha so it was adviced that I first go to the forum. Hmm didn't think of that. This is also my first bug...so.
20111114 23:18:31< jANaM> although this is a bug not a feature request.
20111114 23:18:45< Soliton> yeah, that's only for feature requests.
20111114 23:19:09< Soliton> also you've been talking to several developers already. ;-)
20111114 23:20:25< jANaM> ok. Cool.
20111114 23:21:07< jANaM> Is Multiplayer a good Item Group for this bug? This happened in a multiplayer ANL game.
20111114 23:21:32< jANaM> sorry if it seems I'm asking the obvious but I can't help I'm a sort of "perfectionist"
20111114 23:21:50< Soliton> i think there is whiteboard, too.
20111114 23:21:54< jANaM> (just don't wanna leave a bad impression with my first bug report)
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20111114 23:22:18< jANaM> yeah, whiteboard is available.
20111114 23:22:46< jANaM> Correct me if I'm wrong. Release 1.9.10.
20111114 23:22:52< jANaM> <-- the one I used
20111114 23:23:10< Soliton> sounds good.
20111114 23:23:44< jANaM> "would be very good to get a simple way to reproduce that bug, sounds nasty." << Severity: 4 - Important?
20111114 23:24:26< Soliton> maybe, things can still be adjusted later... :-)
20111114 23:24:40< jANaM> I'll go for 3 normal.
20111114 23:25:19< jANaM> Operating System: Which exact linux kernel I use or the distribution version?
20111114 23:25:44< jANaM> I don't have a modified kernel.
20111114 23:25:54< grzywacz> Probably doesn't matter at all.
20111114 23:26:00< Soliton> unlikely that it is OS-specific.
20111114 23:26:21< jANaM> so "linux" or "GNU/linux" won't matter which it is?
20111114 23:26:46< jANaM> I'll just type Ubuntu
20111114 23:26:54< jANaM> no, Ubuntu Natty
20111114 23:27:14< jANaM> Ubuntu 11.04
20111114 23:27:39< jANaM> The rest seems easy. Thanks for the help. 
20111114 23:28:26< jANaM> If it all can be changed later anyway...
20111114 23:30:37< jANaM> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ReportingBugs#Guidelines_for_reporting_bugs is helpful
20111114 23:30:52< jANaM> I'm on step 3 now
20111114 23:31:04< jANaM> no, still on step 2
20111114 23:32:14< jANaM> I already see a reported bug with a game crash...hmm...
20111114 23:32:55< jANaM> I guess its good to not make a duplicate bug :D
20111114 23:33:38< Soliton> if it's the same crash, yeah.
20111114 23:34:26< jANaM> I'm looking at "When planned unit dies before planned action is done the game crashes at everywhere."
20111114 23:36:07< jANaM> Maybe my first step before reporting a new one should be to try to reproduce a similar one :)
20111114 23:36:43< Soliton> well, if that is your issue you can also just comment in that report instead.
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20111114 23:38:47< jANaM> Soliton: Well, I see no attached files so how would I reproduce it. The description is unclear
20111114 23:39:33< jANaM> I think I can do a better job at explaining my problem.
20111114 23:40:41< jANaM> if status says "works for me" my best bet is to ignore the bug for the moment?
20111114 23:41:05< Soliton> yep.
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20111114 23:44:03< Soliton> if you can run wesnoth from a terminal the output before the crash would also be useful.
20111114 23:45:32< jANaM> aha, ok.
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