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20111117 00:00:18< VurtualRuler98> how about you take photos of the ground and use those
20111117 00:00:20< VurtualRuler98> that's always fun
20111117 00:09:27< Gambit> Aww these are nice: http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=54268&mode=view But they didn't get finished in time for 1.10 :(
20111117 00:11:09< enchilado> It looks a bit blurry
20111117 00:11:35< enchilado> A bit pillowshady… doesn’t quite match the style of the other trees IMO
20111117 00:15:25< VurtualRuler98> as a level designer, when do we get conveniently-sized cliffs
20111117 00:15:33< VurtualRuler98> is reskinning/adding a tile for a map feasable yet
20111117 00:15:49< enchilado> Cliffs! :o
20111117 00:16:12< enchilado> I would love to see cliffs.
20111117 00:16:22< Gambit> Adding new terrains is easy.
20111117 00:16:38< Gambit> Drawing them... noway
20111117 00:16:38< enchilado> Maps could be so much more interesting with ‘elevation’
20111117 00:17:33< Keba> cliffs would be amazing, yes
20111117 00:17:48< Keba> but balancing would be kinda difficult then
20111117 00:17:53< enchilado> It would?
20111117 00:18:04< enchilado> Wouldn’t they just be normal impassable tiles?
20111117 00:18:07< enchilado> or unwalkable
20111117 00:18:31< VurtualRuler98> as a level designer: wall off things creatively
20111117 00:18:32< Keba> ah then balancing wouldnt become more difficult
20111117 00:18:50< VurtualRuler98> from a tactical standpoint: cannot walk onto them from a certain angle
20111117 00:19:19< VurtualRuler98> if you really wanted to, you could make them paint on to the terrain and do some weird design tricks, and you'd have cliffs that behave like cliffs.
20111117 00:19:27< enchilado> VurtualRuler98: o_O
20111117 00:19:33< enchilado> cannot walk onto them from a certain angle??
20111117 00:19:53< enchilado> Whut?
20111117 00:20:01< VurtualRuler98> like, they paint on and the tile they're on prevents the border from being walkable, where you see the cliff on that tile
20111117 00:20:22< VurtualRuler98> so another unit("above" the cliff) could walk up and chill, while another unit can run up beside the cliff, but they're blocked off.
20111117 00:20:33< enchilado> o_O
20111117 00:20:38< enchilado> Why?
20111117 00:20:53< enchilado> Why wouldn’t they just be unwalkable?
20111117 00:21:14< VurtualRuler98> because they'd be zero-space then
20111117 00:21:33< enchilado> ‘zero-space’?
20111117 00:21:39< VurtualRuler98> they don't take up a full hex
20111117 00:21:57< enchilado> They haven’t been drawn yet, so…
20111117 00:22:04< enchilado> s/yet//
20111117 00:22:10< VurtualRuler98> they just define themselves over terrain, blocking it
20111117 00:22:16< VurtualRuler98> (by doing it that way)
20111117 00:22:52< enchilado> I would just have full-tile cliffs…
20111117 00:23:00< VurtualRuler98> they'd just be cave walls with a new skin
20111117 00:23:06< enchilado> o_O
20111117 00:23:13< enchilado> except that you could walk at the top of them…
20111117 00:23:20< VurtualRuler98> with or without ramp-tricks I guess
20111117 00:23:21< enchilado> and have other terrains at the top of them…
20111117 00:24:04< VurtualRuler98> so you have two bordering hexes of grass, you paint on cliffs, and their two connections are invalid
20111117 00:24:20< VurtualRuler98> one is below, visually, the other is above.
20111117 00:24:37< VurtualRuler98> you can walk around the cliff as it tapers off to the sides, but the cliff itself is a no-walk zone
20111117 00:24:52< enchilado> That sounds complicated…
20111117 00:24:55< VurtualRuler98> meaning you could block off certain routes of terrain, without adding in hexes of movement.
20111117 00:25:49< enchilado> Not how I would do it at all
20111117 00:25:54< enchilado> :p
20111117 00:29:03< VurtualRuler98> it's useful, I could abuse it for things like a village on a coast, with a cliff that blocks the immediate center from the mainland, or with a hex of space
20111117 00:29:12< VurtualRuler98> and it wouldn't actually change the layout
20111117 00:31:13< enchilado> Mhm, blocking movement between two walkable terrains would be silly IMO
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20111117 01:06:40< Keba> is there a roadmap for the 1.10 release? when do you expect the final?
20111117 01:10:02< Gambit> https://twitter.com/#!/Wesnoth/status/126347440721899520
20111117 01:11:31< Gambit> Ignore the security certificate warning.
20111117 01:11:44< Gambit> GNA is poor.
20111117 01:11:48< Gambit> Or idealistic.
20111117 01:11:49< Gambit> Not sure which.
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20111117 09:41:16< Romster> hi i'm having some issues compiling wesnoth with boost 1.48.0 so far i got further with adding CXXFLAGS+=' -fpermissive -Wno-error -I/usr/include/boost' but i still hit a err on wesnoth-1.8.6/src/gui/auxiliary/widget_definition.hpp http://pastebin.com/QBiarU3T
20111117 09:41:20< Ivanovic> moin
20111117 09:41:38< Romster> i thought adding -fpermissive would let me get past this error.
20111117 09:43:09< Romster> morning Ivanovic it's evening for me :) i maintain wesnoth and boost in crux linux and i decided to bump boost from 1.47.0 to 1.48.0 and test compile wesnoth but i have issues. i had a quick look over svn 1.8 branch and the bug tracker but didn't spot anything obvious.
20111117 09:43:35< Romster> can't look at gentoo they haven't touched boost 1.48.0 yet.
20111117 09:45:05< Ivanovic> hmm, no idea what the status of 1.48.0 is
20111117 09:45:21< Ivanovic> since i myself just use the gentoo version as well as an older version for the port to the pandora
20111117 09:45:44< Romster> first error i got was wesnoth-1.8.6/src/foreach.hpp:6:17: error: 'boost::BOOST_FOREACH' has not been declared
20111117 09:45:51< Ivanovic> there i only have 1.41.0
20111117 09:45:58< Ivanovic> Romster: though you should better try trunk anyway
20111117 09:46:00< Romster> i got around that by doing -I/usr/include/boost
20111117 09:46:22< Ivanovic> Romster: 1.8 is basically dead these days since we are working on stabilizing for 1.10 at this moment
20111117 09:46:26< Romster> though i wonder if that's not a good idea due to namespace
20111117 09:46:41< Ivanovic> Romster: so any fixes that were required for a more recent boost just went to trunk, not to 1.8
20111117 09:46:42< Romster> ah ok. so i could try 1.9 branch.
20111117 09:46:57< Romster> i'll see how that fairs.
20111117 09:48:00< Ivanovic> i remember that there are/were some boost related patches every now and then and am quite sure that they did not make it into 1.8 (at least not into a release since 1.8.6 is quite old by now)
20111117 09:48:41< Romster> they be in 1.9.10?
20111117 09:49:03< Ivanovic> sure
20111117 09:49:03< Romster> yeah i noticed 1.8.6 has been out for quite awhile now.
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20111117 09:49:41< Romster> how stable is 1.9.10 i might just bump up to that to avoid holding back boost if this compiles.
20111117 09:52:32< Romster> after it downloads, i can only can do 150kb/s :|
20111117 09:53:13< Ivanovic> should already be quite stable
20111117 09:53:40< Ivanovic> and yeah, 1.8.6 was releasesd in may
20111117 09:53:51< Ivanovic> and even then there were not too many fixes applied
20111117 09:56:55< Ivanovic> hmm, the last explitic mention of boost in the changelog is a patch to help with 1.47
20111117 09:57:13< Romster> btw you might like to use xdelta3 between release tarballs it really reduces downloading so much if you got the older tarball. and it works in windows too
20111117 09:57:41< Ivanovic> whats wrong with the old xdelta?
20111117 09:57:54< Ivanovic> cf http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Download_Xdeltas#Development_Version_1.9.x
20111117 09:58:09< Romster> xdelta3 has been improved and is stable since a while now.
20111117 09:58:47< Ivanovic> in case that 1.9.10 still has the same issue, please make sure to file a bug report at bugs.wesnoth.org
20111117 09:59:40< Romster> the extension is vcdiff too in xdelta3 but you can still use .xdelta
20111117 09:59:48< Romster> will do.
20111117 10:00:03< Romster> i cna't help to debug much i find C++ far to complicated.
20111117 10:00:30< Romster> i struggle with C as it is. than all this namespaces stuff.
20111117 10:00:35< Romster> and function overloading.
20111117 10:05:00< Ivanovic> and in general it also makes sense to ask questions in #wesnoth-dev if they are somehow code related
20111117 10:05:23< Ivanovic> yes, compilation problems (especially by a packager due to "too recent dependencies") are code related
20111117 10:05:25< Ivanovic> ;)
20111117 10:05:47< Ivanovic> the problem is that many devs tend to not follow #wesnoth too closely and especially not read the complete logs
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20111117 10:08:54< Romster> yeah i get too new packages issues alot i can usually fix most. i thought i might not be leet enough to ask in #wesnoth-dev :)
20111117 10:30:27< Romster> /usr/ports/work/wesnoth/src/wesnoth-1.9.10/src/foreach.hpp:9:22: error: 'boost::BOOST_FOREACH' has not been declared
20111117 10:30:36< Romster> ok it don't work -_-
20111117 10:34:22< Ivanovic> you need the boost foreach stuff
20111117 10:34:41< Ivanovic> hmm, there was some dependency change some time in the 1.9.x times
20111117 10:35:37< Ivanovic> have a look at the INSTALL file for a complete list of components and versions required
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20111117 10:40:00< Romster> i did a diff over /usr/include/boost/foreach.hpp from boost 1.47.0 and 1.48.0 no change there.
20111117 10:43:02< Romster> http://crux.nu/ports/crux-2.7/contrib/boost/Pkgfile worked with this before i bumped it to 1.48.0 i didn't see any major changes in the changelog... i'm at a loss why it can't find that define.
20111117 10:43:45< Ivanovic> Romster: like i said, better ask in #wesnoth-dev
20111117 10:44:54< Romster> hm k to make sure it is boost i'll compile again with boost 1.47.0 before i make a fool of myself.
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20111117 17:15:10< janebot> Twitter: @Wesnoth: A fan is trying to port Wesnoth to Chromium's NativeClient (wanna play in your browser?). It sounds really cool. http://t.co/jiYtDFZ2 [ Nov-17-2011 16:13 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/7d25juk ]
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20111117 23:22:54< Keba> wow, love your planning mode
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20111117 23:46:18< Keba> but the mp server is much to empty, waiting for the release :)
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