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20111207 00:36:43< anonymissimus> loonybot: << MAX_INT
20111207 00:36:46< loonybot> error: 'MAX_INT' was not declared in this scope
20111207 00:36:57< shadowm_laptop> loonybot << INT_MAX;
20111207 00:36:58< anonymissimus> loonybot: << INT_MAX
20111207 00:37:03< loonybot> 2147483647
20111207 00:37:03< loonybot> 2147483647
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20111207 00:37:57< shadowm_laptop> IIRC the size of int in C++ and C89 is the platform's native word size
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20111207 00:59:33< anonymissimus> Alarantalara: you could have been more strict there "1.8 is outdated by now, please use 1.9.12"
20111207 01:00:16< Alarantalara> In the forum post? Not yet, since 1.9.12 doesn't run under 10.4 either.
20111207 01:00:19< anonymissimus> we need testers :)
20111207 01:00:29< anonymissimus> ah hm well ok
20111207 01:00:45< anonymissimus> then shouldn't he update his MacOs ?
20111207 01:01:05< Alarantalara> Though since OpenMP is disabled again, it should be possible for me to allow it to run under 10.4 again.
20111207 01:01:21< Alarantalara> I'll have to check and possibly rebuild all the libraries again.
20111207 01:05:14< shadowm_laptop> Mac OS X. Not MacOS, MacOs, and certainly not MacOSX.
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20111207 01:08:52< loonycyborg> Nobody cares about proper spelling of macosx
20111207 01:09:39< shadowm_laptop> People who write documentation and websites should.
20111207 01:10:36< loonycyborg> People who read irc shouldn't.
20111207 01:11:02< anonymissimus> it is a weird name anyway, and inconsistent
20111207 01:11:25< anonymissimus> Macintosh Mac Mac Os Mac os x apple and what not
20111207 01:12:21< shadowm_laptop> I have only seen the "OS X" variant in official documents myself.
20111207 01:12:43< shadowm_laptop> Mac OS is a different family altogether, which Wesnoth doesn't support.
20111207 01:18:20< anonymissimus> shadowm_laptop: when you tested bug #16571 did you check the password part or only the other part ?
20111207 01:19:26< anonymissimus> 99999999999999999999 as usename becomes the max_int, and I don't consider such behavior a bug
20111207 01:19:28< shadowm_laptop> Exclusively the password point.
20111207 01:20:11< shadowm_laptop> I don't know what you mean by usename, and either way both the username and password should be left alone. They are supposed to be arbitrary strings of a certain maximum length at the MySQL database level.
20111207 01:20:23< anonymissimus> although it shouldnt try converting to int probably
20111207 01:20:26< shadowm_laptop> Well, the password is hashed, but the input is an arbitrary string.
20111207 01:22:15< shadowmaster> I am still able to reproduce the password mangling behavior.
20111207 01:23:00< anonymissimus> how do you reproduce it ?
20111207 01:23:09< shadowmaster> Set your password to an actual number with a leading 0.
20111207 01:24:09< anonymissimus> so no letters in it ? that could make the difference
20111207 01:24:30< shadowmaster> Obviously.
20111207 01:25:51< shadowmaster> The problem (if it isn't obvious already, it should really be) is that silene's changes introduced some guesswork in the engine that try to find the most optimal internal format for a config attribute.
20111207 01:26:29< shadowmaster> Unfortunately, that means anything that looks like a number will be stored as a number even when it's not intended to be a number.
20111207 01:27:24< shadowmaster> I *have* a last-resort solution for the password case but I'd really like to not have to use it since that's only a particular case of a greater problem that, sadly, maybe isn't fixable at this point anyway without breaking the feature freeze or introducing new bugs or a performance regression.
20111207 01:28:51< shadowmaster> The questionable solution is dressing the password so it looks like an arbitrary string to the config code when deserializing it.
20111207 01:29:19< anonymissimus> i can still login with an only-numbers password...
20111207 01:29:23< loonycyborg> Maybe add a way to tell it to treat it as a string?
20111207 01:29:25< shadowmaster> !log 42807
20111207 01:29:28< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Revision 42807 (silene) on Mon May 24 08:01:31 2010:
20111207 01:29:28< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Modified WML attributes so that they are stored with smaller effective types when they are not translatable.
20111207 01:29:32< shikadibot> shadowmaster: This patch considerably reduces the memory footprint of WML and speeds it up.
20111207 01:29:35< shikadibot> shadowmaster: It should not change any WML behavior, except for a few corner cases detailled below:
20111207 01:29:39< shikadibot> shadowmaster: (+5 discarded lines)
20111207 01:29:40< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=42807
20111207 01:29:48< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: that's pretty much what I said.
20111207 01:30:10< shadowmaster> Short of a new WML syntax to force the string interpretation in the general case, that is, which would definitely break the feature freeze.
20111207 01:31:43< loonycyborg> So where exactly this mangling happens?
20111207 01:31:46< anonymissimus> i must be missing something basic
20111207 01:32:22< shadowmaster> Leading 0. The rest should be only digits from the ASCII range.
20111207 01:32:24< anonymissimus> or something weird goes on such as "only reproducible under this or that os or with this or that stuff used to built something"
20111207 01:32:27< shadowmaster> think 0123456
20111207 01:32:35< anonymissimus> yep
20111207 01:32:45< loonycyborg> I mean where in the code?
20111207 01:34:17< shadowmaster> I'd say config::attribute_value::str based on the patch I'm looking at right now, but I believe I came up with a more detailed report in the admins channel at one point.
20111207 01:36:18< shadowmaster> I don't have the logs with me anymore, though.
20111207 01:37:13< loonycyborg> I wonder why password is ever passed around in WML. Shouldn't it be immediately hashed?
20111207 01:37:41< anonymissimus> i tried 0123456 still cant reproduce
20111207 01:37:43< shadowmaster> I've always wondered that too.
20111207 01:38:18< shadowmaster> anonymissimus: you're not saying you actually set your forum account's password to that, are you
20111207 01:38:33< anonymissimus> yes thats exactly what I did
20111207 01:38:43< anonymissimus> reverted now sure
20111207 01:39:28< shadowmaster> okay, let me create an abusable account
20111207 01:40:38< anonymissimus> i wonder how the bugposter can know that his leading 0 was deleted ?
20111207 01:40:55< shadowmaster> because the login dialog will reappear
20111207 01:40:56< anonymissimus> shouldnt he only know that hsi password is reported as incorrect ?
20111207 01:41:13< shadowmaster> it's not too hard to guess that the missing digit will be the leading one
20111207 01:41:33< anonymissimus> hm it could be any of the entered tokens
20111207 01:41:46< shadowmaster> unlikely or other passwords wouldn't work
20111207 01:42:01< shadowmaster> really, why would the 6 be the one digit to disappear after string->int->string conversion?
20111207 01:42:40< shadowmaster> try logging in as test01 using 0123456
20111207 01:43:16< shadowmaster> the forum account is banned so don't try that on the forums
20111207 01:43:41< anonymissimus> yup works for me
20111207 01:44:05< shadowmaster> are you compiling against the Microsoft Visual C++ runtime libraries, or GNU's?
20111207 01:44:13< shadowmaster> s/compiling/linking/
20111207 01:44:15< anonymissimus> this is a min Gw built
20111207 01:44:21< anonymissimus> so Gnu
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20111207 01:44:28< anonymissimus> but i can try MSVC as well
20111207 01:44:44< shadowmaster> I am obviously using GNU libstdc++
20111207 01:44:45< loonycyborg> mingw uses microsoft C runtime
20111207 01:45:10< shadowmaster> and eglibc
20111207 01:45:21< anonymissimus> the bugposter is windows vista
20111207 01:46:32< shadowmaster> grr
20111207 01:46:37< shadowmaster> too many login attempts
20111207 01:46:52< shadowmaster> AI0867: is there any way around that?
20111207 01:46:58< anonymissimus> too bad the server requires 1.9.12 now
20111207 01:47:23< shadowmaster> why, there's a way around that
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20111207 01:48:17< anonymissimus> you've seen me ? :P
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20111207 01:48:55< shadowm_laptop> anonymissimus: enable "save my password to preferences"
20111207 01:49:33< anonymissimus> hm that could be it
20111207 01:51:05< shadowmaster> the password is probably not stored in a config object otherwise, hence the behavior difference
20111207 01:51:20< anonymissimus> yes now it "works"
20111207 01:51:33< shadowmaster> when it is, it will be stored in the same config object as every other preferences option
20111207 01:51:57< anonymissimus> 2 characters are deleted
20111207 01:53:33< anonymissimus> well ok that bug is over my horizon anyway I guess
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20111207 01:54:52< shadowmaster> the username is potentially always affected because it will be stored in preferences regardless
20111207 01:56:08< shadowmaster> the maximum username length in the database happens to be 20
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20111207 02:13:29< anonymissimus> wesbot: topic
20111207 02:13:31< wesbot> anonymissimus: Don't be impatient, wait until something changes...  *tsk*
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20111207 03:49:59< AI0867> Ivanovic: how are the fosdem talk submissions?
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20111207 04:48:48< gabba> boucman: I need to display fake units over fog for multi-turn moves, and after looking at the animation code, it seems more complicated than I thought
20111207 04:51:35< gabba> boucman: so I need your help with this -- actually it's not only for multi-turn moves, some maps have large castles which mean you can plan recruits/recalls in fogged areas
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20111207 07:12:09< gabba> Is there any circumstance where a team is not supposed to see one of its own units?
20111207 07:12:50< gabba> i.e. can your unit get under fog and be invisible to yourself for some weird reason?
20111207 07:13:11< Espreon> There's also [hide_unit].
20111207 07:15:36< gabba> yeah that must activate the unit invisible/hidden flag
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20111207 07:16:59< gabba> I'm gonna change unit::is_visible_to_team() so that you always see a unit on your side, even under fog, unless it has the hidden flag
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20111207 07:18:07< gabba> Doesn't make much sense in normal gameplay (your units clear fog), but it does for making whiteboard multi-turn moves or planned recruits/recalls on fogged tiles in large castles
20111207 07:18:13< shadowmaster> maybe dead units during die events?
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20111207 08:41:11< Ivanovic> AI0867: you are on the devroom list IIRC
20111207 08:41:19< Ivanovic> AI0867: then you should have seen that there was no submission so far
20111207 08:42:38< Ivanovic> moin, btw
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20111207 09:00:49< Ivanovic> gabba: it would be great if you could enhance the current paragraph in the 1.10 release notes about the whiteboard
20111207 09:00:53< Ivanovic> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/website/start/1.10/template.html
20111207 09:00:59< Ivanovic> (so yeah, the file is in svn)
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20111207 11:02:55< CIA-79> gabba * r52188 /trunk/src/whiteboard/manager.cpp: Eclipse CDT wasn't happy about the missing break after default case
20111207 11:02:58< CIA-79> gabba * r52189 /trunk/src/ (unit.cpp whiteboard/manager.cpp): 
20111207 11:02:58< CIA-79> Whiteboard fake units can now be selected and highlighted by mouseover even under fog.
20111207 11:02:58< CIA-79> This involved changing some game logic so that units belonging to the viewing team are considered visible even under fog.
20111207 11:05:59< gabba> Ivanovic: ok, I'll take a look once I'll have cleared some more of my backlog of wb fixes... now that it seems I'm done with crashes, I'm just starting on minimal cosmetic tweaks
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20111207 13:56:51< AI0867> Ivanovic: your post vaguely implied that you'd gotten some, but okay
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20111207 14:47:40< vultraz> Not sure of this is a bug, but whenever I get a preprocessor error on mp or camp load, I have to click the OK box a dozen times or so until it goes away
20111207 14:48:17< vultraz> sometimes it stays 'clicked' or a few seconds, too
20111207 14:48:40< vultraz> for*
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20111207 14:52:42< vultraz> terminal gives the same error every time I click OK
20111207 15:02:13< AI0867> Espreon: http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=514942#p514942
20111207 15:04:14< CIA-79> anonymissimus * r52190 /trunk/src/playsingle_controller.hpp: rename a parameter so that it matches the other occurances of the function signature
20111207 15:04:27< CIA-79> anonymissimus * r52191 /trunk/data/core/macros/interface-utils.cfg: fix macro comment (bug #19128)
20111207 15:19:35< Espreon> AI0867: Yup. I've read it. His analogy is, of course, wrong.
20111207 15:21:01< Espreon> But no naming names.
20111207 15:21:34< Espreon> Well, no saying what I said.
20111207 15:21:43< Espreon> It'd be flamebait.
20111207 15:33:15< CIA-79> espreon * r52192 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/ (09b_Bandit_Epilogue.cfg 10a_Elf_Epilogue.cfg): Do not generate replay saves for TSG's epilogues.
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20111207 15:40:37< CIA-79> espreon * r52193 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Prevent the generation of more useless epilogue replay saves.
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20111207 16:35:48< AI0867> Espreon: I thought about pointing out the same thing
20111207 16:35:56< AI0867> but the reason I linked that is the fonts
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20111207 16:42:34< Espreon> Ah.
20111207 16:43:40< vultraz> what's boosts package name?
20111207 16:46:42< Mkaysi> Depends: libboost-iostreams1.46.1 (>= 1.46.1-1), libboost-program-options1.46.1
20111207 16:46:42< Mkaysi>          (>= 1.46.1-1), libboost-regex1.46.1 (>= 1.46.1-1),
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20111207 16:46:42< Mkaysi>          1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfribidi0
20111207 16:46:42< Mkaysi>          (>= 0.19.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgomp1
20111207 16:46:42< Mkaysi>          (>= 4.2.1), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.22.0),
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20111207 16:46:48< Mkaysi>          4.6), libx11-6, libxext6, wesnoth-1.9-data (= 1:1.9.11-1)
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20111207 17:02:39< anonymissimus> may I suggest a certain patch applying guideline ? if something is submitted by an anonymous an even without originator email it should get auto-rejected
20111207 17:04:10< anonymissimus> there is always to expect that implementing feature/applying patches rise up a bug report(s) months later and the code should be contactable then
20111207 17:04:21< anonymissimus> the coder
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20111207 17:05:11< Soliton> sounds naive.
20111207 17:05:34< Soliton> is there any precedent, any actual reason for such a guideline?
20111207 17:05:57< anonymissimus> patch #1937 
20111207 17:07:19< Soliton> an actual precedent fitting your description i meant.
20111207 17:07:39< Espreon> wesbot: patch #1937
20111207 17:07:39< wesbot> Patch #1937  Assigned to: Lukasz Dobrogowski <zaroth>  Status: Done  Priority: 5 - Normal
20111207 17:07:43< wesbot> Summary: Patch for randomizing starting positions in mp games
20111207 17:07:45< wesbot> Original submission: Patch adds option to randomize starting positions in mult
20111207 17:07:48< wesbot> ilayer games. Its related to this feature request:https://gna.org/bugs/?15798
20111207 17:07:49< Soliton> Quetzalcoatl is registered in the forum.
20111207 17:07:51< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/patch/?1937
20111207 17:07:54< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/patch/download.php?file_id=10262
20111207 17:10:15< anonymissimus> a pm in the forum notifies him hopefully
20111207 17:11:52< Soliton> no guideline can guarantee you anything about future involvement of a patch contributor or even a developer.
20111207 17:12:46< Soliton> accepting a patch means we or at least the committer takes on the responsibility for it.
20111207 17:13:18< Soliton> if we don't want that we shouldn't apply the patch...
20111207 17:14:16< anonymissimus> fine but the committer also is no longer around
20111207 17:14:35< anonymissimus> I could ask sigurd about it though
20111207 17:17:28< anonymissimus> well what I want is that someone submitting a patch does his work properly so that bugs don't arise in the future
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20111207 17:21:58< Soliton> so add to the patch guidelines that patches with bugs are not to be submitted or accepted.
20111207 17:29:59< zookeeper> sounds good to me ;)
20111207 17:30:01< anonymissimus> sounds naive
20111207 17:31:04< zookeeper> better than auto-rejecting patches :x
20111207 17:34:02< zookeeper> but really, what you just asked for was "no buggy patches"
20111207 17:35:04< Espreon> "By the order of His Holiness, the Magickal Frenchman, I decree that all patches shall be rejected unless they are one hundred percent bugfree!"®
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20111207 18:01:05< vultraz> augh........Fink is so annoying....
20111207 18:01:35< vultraz> doesn't even have the right boost libs 
20111207 18:02:55< vultraz> DAMN
20111207 18:02:59< vultraz> DAMN DAMN
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20111207 18:32:22< Espreon> wesbot: topic
20111207 18:32:23-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: String/feature-freeze active for trunk | 169 bugs, 326 feature requests, 13 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20111207 18:41:36< anonymissimus> Espreon: you were in linger mode when that happened ?
20111207 18:41:47< Espreon> Yes.
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20111207 18:43:59< anonymissimus> it may be helpful to minimize the cause to certain cfg decriptions of the involved [unit_type]s
20111207 18:45:39< anonymissimus> so that it can be reproduced in any campaign
20111207 18:45:42< Espreon> It probably has to do with the fact that some have id="", but whatever.
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20111207 18:47:38< anonymissimus> uh yeah seems a good guess
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20111207 18:47:52< anonymissimus> I can reproduce a crash independently
20111207 18:47:59< Espreon> Good.
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20111207 18:53:02< anonymissimus> a check for non-empty id= in teh unit type builder should suffice
20111207 18:53:19< anonymissimus> where it checks for duplicate ids
20111207 18:53:32< vultraz> what do you need to do to be able to commit something to wesnoth, BTW?
20111207 18:53:49< anonymissimus> (i hope that it does that somewhere already)
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20111207 19:02:22< shadowmaster> vultraz: become a developer through meaningful contributions to the project in the form of patches
20111207 19:02:44< shadowmaster> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/PatchSubmissionGuidelines
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20111207 19:20:21< vultraz> humm
20111207 19:20:29< vultraz> looks like I need to get that GNA account
20111207 19:39:13< Ivanovic> vultraz: you can also submit a single patch without account
20111207 19:39:23< Ivanovic> but later on for commit access an account at gna is mandatory
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20111207 20:33:55< mordante> servus
20111207 20:34:09< Espreon> mordante: Ic grete þe.
20111207 20:34:17< mordante> hi Espreon 
20111207 20:34:47< Espreon> mordante: Yeah, please don't commit to BerliOS anymore.
20111207 20:35:12< Espreon> 'Cause then it's a pain for AI0867 to port the changes to github.
20111207 20:36:28< mordante> Espreon, yeah AI0867 now send an email, before I committed since there was no warning not to do so
20111207 20:37:07< anonymissimus> mordante: you could look after bug #19121 with probably little effort but much usefulness :)
20111207 20:37:35< anonymissimus> (for me)
20111207 20:38:41< mordante> anonymissimus, yes, but not sure whether I have time tonight, but I expect to have some Wesnoth time this weekend :-)
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20111207 21:06:01< gabba> This would be interesting to integrate to Wesnoth to get useful crash reports from Windows users http://code.google.com/p/google-breakpad/
20111207 21:06:19< gabba> It's used by Mozilla and other high-profile projects
20111207 21:06:59< Ivanovic> hmmm, meaningful crash reports from windows users would be really nice
20111207 21:07:19< Ivanovic> since currently we got some "something is broken by this message won't tell you what" situations which just suck
20111207 21:09:24< gabba> Exact, I'm tired of those
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20111207 21:24:59< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: it looks as if my efforts of maintaining the win built systems have some outcome though, a few of the mp players have managed to compile
20111207 21:25:02< Mkaysi> -More
20111207 21:25:12< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: ah, that is ool
20111207 21:25:19< Ivanovic> s/ool/cool
20111207 21:25:24< Mkaysi> Wrong channel sorry
20111207 21:25:27< anonymissimus> it seems so then theres a small step to compile in debug mode and make a backtrace
20111207 21:25:35< anonymissimus> in comparison to compiling at least
20111207 21:26:33< anonymissimus> SigurdFireDragon: maybe you can write some description of how to make backtraces with gdb into the forum ?
20111207 21:26:44< anonymissimus> on windows of cour se
20111207 21:27:02< mordante> nice job anonymissimus 
20111207 21:27:19< SigurdFireDragon> is there a particular post at the moment I could put it in?
20111207 21:27:44< anonymissimus> I assume we are referring to these "microsoft C++ error" messages which don't tell anything ?
20111207 21:28:08< gabba> anonymissimus: that's good news - actually if they compile themselves we could get them to upload a core dump somewhere, so we can examine all variables, etc, instead of just looking at a stack trace
20111207 21:28:43< mordante> is it compilation with MSVC or with gcc?
20111207 21:28:46< anonymissimus> SigurdFireDragon: it would fit into the backtraces thread I think
20111207 21:28:50< anonymissimus> gcc
20111207 21:29:03< mordante> nice, then a coredump is possible
20111207 21:29:22< anonymissimus> what is the difference ?
20111207 21:29:24< gabba> It's possible with either I think: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4672572/how-can-i-configure-windows-to-generate-a-core-dump-from-an-application
20111207 21:29:34< mordante> although probably too big to upload anyway
20111207 21:29:49< gabba> but I'm not sure which debugger can read which dump format, etc
20111207 21:30:36< mordante> if it's the same format as DrWatson uses (which I think it is) you can't load it in gdb
20111207 21:30:56< gabba> mordante: If it's 200MB or so they can upload that overnight ;)
20111207 21:31:18< mordante> true
20111207 21:31:32< mordante> still hope a simple backtrace is enough for most cases
20111207 21:32:22< gabba> would be much better than nothing, and that's precisely what google breakpad which I mentioned above seems good for
20111207 21:32:50 * anonymissimus does obviously not know about coredumps
20111207 21:32:59 * anonymissimus though its another name for backtrace
20111207 21:33:16< gabba> anonymissimus: coredump means an image of the application's memory at the time of the crash
20111207 21:33:24< gabba> + some extra info usually
20111207 21:33:58< mordante> anonymissimus, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_dump
20111207 21:34:00< gabba> load that up in your debugger and you get a freeze-frame image of the app which allows you to examine all variables
20111207 21:36:52< anonymissimus> I'm afraid that the vast majority of MP players will only complain loudly about your wb bugs but not manage to make useful reports despite the easier-to-compile guide though
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20111207 21:37:18< mordante> gabba, in fact that library uses the Microsoft dump format instead of core dumps http://code.google.com/p/google-breakpad/wiki/GettingStartedWithBreakpad
20111207 21:37:27< anonymissimus> trying to tell them how-to is often wasted time
20111207 21:37:29< mordante> search for minidump format
20111207 21:38:10 * mordante loves this sentence "It is harder to persuade a Windows machine to produce a core dump file than it is to persuade other machines to write a minidump file."
20111207 21:38:18< gabba> mordante: actually minidumps, yeah - which are small - but its main use is getting a backtrace even if the end-user doesn't have debugging symbols etc
20111207 21:38:42< gabba> ^lol
20111207 21:39:02< mordante> the library is released under a BSD licence so we can include the code in our repro
20111207 21:39:16< mordante> (at the moment the library is not available under Debian)
20111207 21:39:48< gabba> yup, I saw that :)
20111207 21:39:51< mordante> and it might be nice to have, not only for Windows users, but also for the average user on other platforms
20111207 21:41:00< gabba> We could have automated crash report uploads
20111207 21:41:23< gabba> (Provided the user says yes, of course)
20111207 21:41:59 * anonymissimus is afraid they will be pretty passive
20111207 21:42:42< mordante> just need to make it easier for the user to enable it
20111207 21:42:56< mordante> then afterwards they can remain passive ;-)
20111207 21:43:05< gabba> ^this
20111207 21:45:30< mordante> I think it would be nice to integrate this optionally (I prefer not to have it in a debug build)
20111207 21:45:38< mordante> only think it's too late for 1.10
20111207 21:45:42< mordante> :-(
20111207 21:47:59< gabba> Auto-uploading is definitely impossible to get right before 1.10, but maybe just dumping a file that people can attach to their bug report would be feasible - I doesn't *seem* like it would be very risky to have, but then we're in feature freeze, hmm
20111207 21:49:03< mordante> yup adding features in a feature freeze sounds like a bad idea
20111207 21:49:33< mordante> I think we can add it directly after releasing 1.10 in trunk and maybe backport it for 1.10.1
20111207 21:51:18< gabba> agreed
20111207 21:52:48< CIA-79> espreon * r52194 /trunk/data/core/units/monsters/ (Wolf.cfg Wolf_Dire.cfg Wolf_Great.cfg): Removed some now-redundant undead_variation= keys.
20111207 21:54:11< mordante> I'm off night
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20111207 22:02:43< SigurdFireDragon> anonymissimus: working on it, one key point is compiling under tdm-gcc 4.5.2 and using a higher version of gdb than what is included with 4.5.2...
20111207 22:03:36< SigurdFireDragon> ... the other being figuring out where to tell them to get said version of gdb from, in a simple way
20111207 22:05:07< anonymissimus> SigurdFireDragon: I'musing the one included in tdm-gcc 4.5.2 btw
20111207 22:05:38< SigurdFireDragon> you've gotten backtraces on it? I had to use the gdb from 4.6.1 to make that one report...
20111207 22:05:40< anonymissimus> it gives backtraces with precise line numbers and often function arguments
20111207 22:06:10< anonymissimus> so when I want to have an idea that I can assign another bug report to fendrin I can quickly get it xD
20111207 22:07:52< anonymissimus> btw it would be great of we could avoid using "event" as the name of a variable
20111207 22:08:08< anonymissimus> the MSVC debugger doesnt like that somehow
20111207 22:08:28< anonymissimus> it shows up syntax-highlighted instead
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20111207 22:45:24< VladimirSlavik> Hey, guys, who is responsible for wmlxgettext? I like the auto-comments, but quite a lot of them are rather useless, since there are more string keys on a particular tag
20111207 22:46:06< VladimirSlavik> So it might make sense to indicate the key, too... for races and terrains it's particularly painful
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20111207 22:55:08< Espreon> VladimirSlavik: Well, AI0867 added the feature, but the comments have been in the WML for a long time.
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20111207 22:55:12< Espreon> Those are esr's doing.
20111207 22:55:19< VladimirSlavik> yup
20111207 22:55:22< Espreon> VladimirSlavik: Please gime us examples of "useless" comments.
20111207 22:55:26< Espreon> *give
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20111207 22:57:41< VladimirSlavik> [terrain_type] is reported with its id, but the string can come from either name or editor_name, which is far more important to know
20111207 22:57:58< VladimirSlavik> so it makes sense to report *that*
20111207 22:58:11< Espreon> Oh, you mean those automatic comments.
20111207 22:58:15< VladimirSlavik> yup
20111207 22:58:19< Espreon> Yeah, those've been around for the longest time.
20111207 22:58:36< Espreon> AI0867 added the ability for # po: comments to be picked up.
20111207 22:58:39< Espreon> Not those.
20111207 22:58:41< VladimirSlavik> To rephrase this in a better way - I think they are not good enough in some cases
20111207 22:59:13< VladimirSlavik> The content is meaningless compared to actual needs... IMO ;)
20111207 23:00:45< VladimirSlavik> races, too have something similar... the text is "race^something" and "race^female+something", but only if the string "something" is identical, so sometimes it's hard to tell what is what
20111207 23:01:59< VladimirSlavik> reporting the key would help since it would immediately show if hte string is for male_name, female_name, plural_name etc...
20111207 23:02:11< VladimirSlavik> it's not really a bug
20111207 23:07:05< Ivanovic> VladimirSlavik: the perl scrit is not too well maintained, that is i don't know who really knows it well
20111207 23:08:17< VladimirSlavik> Ivanovic, AI committed a few days ago, after a few years of no changes :P
20111207 23:08:36< Ivanovic> oh, wow
20111207 23:09:11< VladimirSlavik> Anyway, I imagine this is either a one-liner, or not worth the effort... if there isn't anyone familiar with this now, no matter
20111207 23:09:29< Ivanovic> VladimirSlavik: in perl basically anything can be a one liner
20111207 23:09:38< Ivanovic> and even that can be freaking difficult to comprehend
20111207 23:09:39< Ivanovic> ;)
20111207 23:14:21< VladimirSlavik> heh, let's drop this then...
20111207 23:16:41< chrisoelmueller> haha yeah .. in perl. being a one-liner usually qualifies for being pretty bad as well :p
20111207 23:20:10< VladimirSlavik> I assumed it would be something like adding  output.write("key="+keyname)
20111207 23:20:19< VladimirSlavik> (just the general idea)
20111207 23:21:00< Espreon> Or... it could've just been poorly written.
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