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20111213 00:23:30< Soliton> anonymissimus: it'd be good to move the network_side_state_ to play_controller where it belongs, that should fix #19161 as that is a multiple side init issue.
20111213 00:24:03< Soliton> i didn't get so far as to do that yet.
20111213 00:25:55< anonymissimus> Soliton: I wrote some comments in the bug threads
20111213 00:26:50< Soliton> so i've noticed.
20111213 00:27:20< anonymissimus> Soliton: but yeah, moving it to palycontroller looks like a good idea
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20111213 00:29:38< anonymissimus> playmp_controller probably
20111213 00:30:41< anonymissimus> however, I put it into that turn class so I dont need to check the other callcases of process_network_data
20111213 00:30:57< anonymissimus> and there are some which I dont understand
20111213 00:31:31< Soliton> as mentioned play_controller, same as the side init methods.
20111213 00:31:44< Soliton> i'll get to it anyway.
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20111213 02:14:37< AI0867> Ivanovic: it is. It may need a few tweaks, but that's everything that was in 1.8 (or at least everything by crab)
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20111213 10:10:36< Ivanovic> moin
20111213 10:11:23< Crab_> hello, Ivanovic
20111213 10:11:35< Ivanovic> hi Crab_
20111213 10:11:38< Ivanovic> nice to see you around!
20111213 10:12:05< Ivanovic> Crab_: over the last two days AI0867 (and probably shadowmaster) worked on finally porting over the chat log code from 1.8 to trunk
20111213 10:12:19< Crab_> I've seen. it's good that it's finally in, thanks to them.
20111213 10:12:28< Ivanovic> it would be great if you also had a look at stuff to make sure nothing is missing there (like stuff not done by you)
20111213 10:13:04< Crab_> I will try to check that (tomorrow)
20111213 10:14:22< Ivanovic> thanks
20111213 10:18:21< Crab_> how it's going with fosdem? have we started booking yet?
20111213 10:19:01< Ivanovic> nope
20111213 10:19:14< Ivanovic> should write a mail about this to the wesnoth-dev list rather soon...
20111213 10:20:18< Crab_> Ok. This time it's way easier for me - just book a low-cost flight from Katowice to Cologne and go to Brussels via train; no paperwork involved :)
20111213 10:21:28< Ivanovic> :)
20111213 10:21:44< Ivanovic> no cheap flights directly to cologne available?
20111213 10:22:08< Crab_> you mean 'directly to Brussels' ?
20111213 10:22:30< Ivanovic> you know, that airport outside of brussels, charleroi or the likes which is eg frequented by easyjet
20111213 10:22:41< Crab_> no, wizzair once flown to charleroi from katowice, but does so no longer
20111213 10:22:47< Ivanovic> yeah, i mean to brussels instead of cologne
20111213 10:23:04< Crab_> besides, it'll be interesting to visit Germany for a day or two, I haven't done so before.
20111213 10:23:52< Ivanovic> if you plan to possibly stay some days in germany you could also check if there were some flights for you to dortmund
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20111213 10:24:22< Ivanovic> that is a rather new and small airport which results in waiting times being rather tiny
20111213 10:24:51< Crab_> Ivanovic: closest alternate route is easyJet from Krakow to Paris, and then train from paris to Bruselles
20111213 10:25:17< Ivanovic> if you plan to spend some days in germany anyway the route to dortmund would be using wizzair, too
20111213 10:25:49< Ivanovic> that is: i can't promise anything yet regarding taking someone with me in the car like i was able one year with DK flying to/from dortmund
20111213 10:25:49< Crab_> why Dortmund is better?
20111213 10:26:21< Crab_> yes, there're plenty of wizzair flights between Katowice and Dortmund (even several flights per day)
20111213 10:26:28< Ivanovic> (am currently looking for a job which might lead to me relocating about 250km away from here without my travels to brussels leading me over dortmund to brussels)
20111213 10:26:43< Ivanovic> Crab_: those are the two reasons why dortmund might make more sense
20111213 10:26:54< Ivanovic> and it might even be a little cheaper, not sure though about that part
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20111213 10:28:58< Crab_> with those flights, I end up spending more on airport shuttle buses than on flights :) i.e. a few days ago I've flown from Katowice to Stockholm for 1 eur, and two shuttle buses took 25 eur.
20111213 10:29:52< Ivanovic> a worst case scenario (when getting the new job some 250km away from here) would be me not being able to take the friday off for travels to brussels and having to work till in the evening, so that i will only arrive in brussels either really late in the evening on frday or even on saturday morning
20111213 10:30:26< Ivanovic> okay, the extreme worst case would be me being in the US at that time due to some "introcution meeting" at the company central, but i don't think that likely
20111213 10:30:45< Crab_> well, that's way too extreme )
20111213 10:31:15< Ivanovic> jepp
20111213 10:31:43< Crab_> if you'll book a hostel in Brussels like last years, count me in (I might not be able to say so myself since I'll be on holidays from 16th to 26th Dec)
20111213 10:31:58< Ivanovic> okay, good to know
20111213 10:32:18< Ivanovic> i'll book the same hostel (if possible) as the last year(s) and go for a 4bed/6bed room again
20111213 10:32:27< Crab_> ok
20111213 10:33:17< Ivanovic> AI0867, mordante, boucman, elias, fendrin: some early feedback already regarding fosdem and the hotel/hostel to book?
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20111213 10:33:35< Ivanovic> that is: chrber won't be joining us this year, he will be skiing with his new girlfriend
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20111213 11:53:03< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52267 /trunk/ (12 files in 11 dirs): updated German and Korean translation
20111213 12:05:37< AI0867> Ivanovic: I intend to be there
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20111213 12:08:24< AI0867> loonycyborg: were there any windows 7-specific issues that need testing?
20111213 12:08:51< loonycyborg> I'm not aware of any.
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20111213 17:43:37< anonymissimus> AI0867: there is this apparently win-specific bug: http://gna.org/bugs/index.php?16919
20111213 17:44:34< anonymissimus> it may be present under Linux as well though and that its effects are just not as bad; valgrinding a networked mp game is something I wanted to do ;)
20111213 17:46:47 * anonymissimus read about firefox and open office being valgrind-clean (so why shouldn't wesnoth be as well)
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20111213 18:02:46< anonymissimus> Espreon: you may need to look after bug #18715 for the how-to-reproduce on Linux
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20111213 18:24:15< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: if you wanna break the string freeze, feel free to assign bug #18969 to you :)
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20111213 20:53:50< Espreon> Oh noez, we have strings not marked as translatable. data/multiplayer/eras.cfg ... TURNS_OVER_ADVANTAGE
20111213 20:54:36< Espreon> Ivanovic: Whatever shall we do?
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20111213 20:57:17< Ivanovic> 1) punch the one responsible for not marking those strings
20111213 20:57:35< Ivanovic> 2) mark them translateable and make sure to tell me what exactly is new so that i can inform the translators after the pot-update
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20111213 20:58:12< Espreon> anonymissimus: ^
20111213 20:58:28 * Espreon doesn't like dealing with translatable strings in Lua code
20111213 21:02:14< Espreon> Ivanovic: Well, it appears it was only implemented as a proof-of-concept thing, so I guess it could just be commented out from the era blocks.
20111213 21:02:36< Espreon> But then some people may still wish to use it...
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20111213 21:11:30< Espreon> wesbot: bug 18715
20111213 21:11:30< wesbot> Bug #18715  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20111213 21:11:30< wesbot> Summary: Game hangs at loading screen after flushing caches and save index and pressing F5
20111213 21:11:33< wesbot> Original submission: While in game, when I press F5 after deleting save_index.
20111213 21:11:36< wesbot> gz and ~/.cache/wesnoth, the game hangs at the loading screen.
20111213 21:11:39< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?18715
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20111213 21:16:10< Ivanovic> sent a message about fosdem 2012 to the wesnoth-dev list
20111213 21:17:01< Espreon> Ivanovic: http://imagebin.org/188423 ... Yeah, I think the sword and shield icon ought to be used on SF.
20111213 21:17:43< Ivanovic> yes, it should
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20111213 21:27:06< Rhonda> There was some discussion about beginner campaigns and that HTTT might not best be suited at beginners because of its length.
20111213 21:27:09< Rhonda> Actually I wonder if that is true, because that campaign is encouraged for beginners in the manual, and that would had to get changed then.
20111213 21:27:14 * Rhonda . o O ( resent from  )
20111213 21:27:19 * Rhonda . o O ( resent from #wesnoth )
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20111213 21:29:22< zookeeper> there's no single campaign which is of suitable length, interesting story-wise, reasonably "standard" gameplay-wise and easy.
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20111213 21:30:02 * Espreon agrees
20111213 21:30:56< zookeeper> TB doesn't have an interesting story, TSG has varying difficulty and some rather non-standard scenarios that would be confusing for newbies, HttT is too long.
20111213 21:31:30< Rhonda> AOI?
20111213 21:31:37< Rhonda> … is also suggested. :)
20111213 21:31:58< zookeeper> yeah, that might be the best candidate... not particularly exciting story-wise, but at least it's really simple and short.
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20111213 21:33:31< Mkaysi> What was AOI again?
20111213 21:33:48< Mkaysi> Oh
20111213 21:34:04< Mkaysi> An Orcish Invasion
20111213 21:34:49< zookeeper> naturally it'd be preferable if the suggested first campaign was the epic "main" campaign, instead of a lesser one
20111213 21:35:54< Espreon> Ivanovic: It'd be nice to encourage the use of // TRANSLATORS: comments in the source code... especially to provide examples for some confusing strings...
20111213 21:35:59< zookeeper> "we didn't bother making the main campaign easy enough for newbies so just go play some other ones first"
20111213 21:36:20< Espreon> Ivanovic: And our scripts do support // TRANSLATORS: comments.
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20111213 21:41:00< Espreon> Hmmmm, and it seems msgcat and friends don't like the backslashes in the strings we neede to make translatable.
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20111213 21:48:51< Rhonda> wesbot: whatis AOI
20111213 21:48:52< wesbot> Rhonda: AOI stands for "An Orcish Incursion"
20111213 21:48:56< Rhonda> Mkaysi: ^^
20111213 21:49:18< Mkaysi> Oh ok
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20111213 21:54:39< Espreon> OK, the backslashes weren't it...
20111213 21:58:45< Espreon> Ivanovic: What the hell is "end-of-line within string" supposed to mean?
20111213 21:59:07< Ivanovic> i need some more context
20111213 21:59:21< Espreon> /home/espreon/wesnoth/po/wesnoth-multiplayer/wesnoth-multiplayer.wml.pot:26: end-of-line within string
20111213 21:59:43< anonymissimus> Espreon: hm the translation of strings in lua code hasnt ever been tested somewhere so far I think
20111213 21:59:55< anonymissimus> other than what silene might have done
20111213 22:00:02< Espreon> Hmmmm, I see.
20111213 22:00:20< anonymissimus> best test case for it might be my mp addon since it contains a lot of these
20111213 22:00:20< Espreon> Ivanovic: Shall I post the problematic strings?
20111213 22:00:35< Ivanovic> Espreon: the single line you wrote me will tell me nothing
20111213 22:00:46< Ivanovic> probably you got a missing " somewhere in that line in your pot-file
20111213 22:00:58< anonymissimus> Espreon: I'll try enabling it, but I only know what it should be like in the lua code, I have no clue of translations otherwise
20111213 22:00:59< Ivanovic> but unless you post a little more than a single line i won't be able to tell you anything
20111213 22:01:28< Espreon> anonymissimus: Well, hold on. I've been working on it.
20111213 22:01:46< Espreon> anonymissimus: I'll probably give up in five minutes, though.
20111213 22:01:47< anonymissimus> and I only made a translation once for ASC and only for wml stringd
20111213 22:02:07< anonymissimus> Espreon: what you need to do in the lua code is basically 3 things
20111213 22:02:52< anonymissimus> you put a tostring(_"...") for every "..." string where the "..." string shall eb translatable
20111213 22:03:11< Espreon> OK, I've got that.
20111213 22:03:24< Espreon> I also defined "_"
20111213 22:03:25< anonymissimus> previously to that you need to assign the function wesnoth.textdomain to the _
20111213 22:03:49< anonymissimus> _ = wesnoth.textdomain("wesnoth-Settlers_of_Wesnoth")
20111213 22:03:53< anonymissimus> for instance
20111213 22:04:25< anonymissimus> wesnoth-Settlers_of_Wesnoth is the textdomain which chall be used when the translation is made upon runtime
20111213 22:05:15< anonymissimus> and an according comment -- #textdomain wesnoth-Settlers_of_Wesnoth just below or above that _ assignment which tells gettext which domain the strings to extract to
20111213 22:05:28< Espreon> Ivanovic: These are the strings: http://pastebin.com/fv69GJK4
20111213 22:05:35< anonymissimus> thats the theory, but IIRC I never tested it
20111213 22:05:54< anonymissimus> whether the translation actually works that it
20111213 22:05:55< Mkaysi> O
20111213 22:06:00< Espreon> I'll see if it works.
20111213 22:06:05< Mkaysi> Sorry wrong button
20111213 22:06:09< Ivanovic> Espreon: it is likely that those are not working anyway
20111213 22:06:20< Ivanovic> since gettest will not be aseked for those values with % in them
20111213 22:06:58< Espreon> No, I think translatable strings with Lua variables work.
20111213 22:07:23< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: gettext or the translater doesnt need to care about the % values
20111213 22:07:48< Espreon> Yeah, they do.
20111213 22:08:06< anonymissimus> Side  Income score  Unit score Gold
20111213 22:08:39< anonymissimus> thats what needs to be translated; of course that doesnt take into account these languages which have more than singular and plural
20111213 22:08:40< shadowmaster> gettext can handle format strings like that just fine
20111213 22:08:59< anonymissimus> but that problem is not lua-specific
20111213 22:09:08< Espreon> If only WML and our Lua crap could use gettext plurals...
20111213 22:09:33< shadowmaster> tools like poedit will throw an error at the user if the format string's, er, format doesn't match between msgid and msgstr, though
20111213 22:10:04< shadowmaster> that is, same number of format specifications, same type and order when not using positional format
20111213 22:10:48< Ivanovic> Espreon: and when exactly do you get the error message?
20111213 22:10:58< Espreon> When running pot-update
20111213 22:11:24< shadowmaster> of course, wmlxgettext may not have support for marking format strings as c-format in the pot
20111213 22:11:48< Ivanovic> Espreon: and have you checked the intermediate file regarding its contents?
20111213 22:11:56< Espreon> Uh, no?
20111213 22:12:20< anonymissimus> Espreon: you could alternatively rearrange the strings to translate
20111213 22:12:43< anonymissimus> in a way so that only the tokens/words which are to be translated are extracted
20111213 22:12:58< anonymissimus> by gettext
20111213 22:13:15< Espreon> Hmmm, weird stuff's happening.
20111213 22:13:18< anonymissimus> that requires some more lua editing though
20111213 22:13:38< Espreon> I get those errors even after reverting my changes.
20111213 22:14:29< Espreon> OK, let's see if it works after cleansing po/wesnoth-multiplayer/
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20111213 22:16:38< Espreon> OK, that worked.
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20111213 22:39:00< CIA-85> espreon * r52268 /trunk/data/multiplayer/eras.cfg: Made the strings in TURNS_OVER_ADVANTAGE translatable.
20111213 22:39:06< Espreon> anonymissimus: ^
20111213 22:39:55< Espreon> And yes, those strings get translated by gettext.
20111213 22:40:56< anonymissimus> Espreon: actually there are some lue strings already translated...the ones in objectives.lau
20111213 22:41:04< anonymissimus> lua+
20111213 22:41:06< Espreon> That is very true.
20111213 22:41:14< anonymissimus> lua grr
20111213 22:47:36< Espreon> Now, here's a question: do we really want that thing to be wired in our eras by default?
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20111213 23:00:05< anonymissimus> Espreon: I suggest to leave it that way now that you solved the translation problem
20111213 23:00:24< anonymissimus> also, UMC may use the ERA_DEFAULT macro where its used and expect it
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20111213 23:03:50< anonymissimus> Espreon: looks good
20111213 23:04:07< Espreon> OK.
20111213 23:07:11< anonymissimus> it was already in 1.8 I see, so that's not a question anyway
20111213 23:22:52< Espreon> Ivanovic: Well, I guess unless someone wants to swoop in and make amazing changes to the strings, I guess you can send a letter to the i18n list.
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20111213 23:41:25< shadowmaster> Espreon: wait, me!
20111213 23:41:48< Espreon> Go ahead.
20111213 23:41:55< Espreon> Ivanovic: ^
20111213 23:44:50< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52269 /trunk/data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/1_Tutorial.cfg: Remove useless "Note:" prefix in a translatable string in tutorial scenario 1, fixes bug #18969
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20111213 23:48:28< shadowmaster> that's all
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20111213 23:55:12< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: the chat dialog stuff is fine, too?
20111213 23:55:22< Ivanovic> meaning: it follows the normal style?
20111213 23:57:17< shadowmaster> rechecking
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20111213 23:57:56< shadowmaster> yes, it does (after my fixes yesterday)
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