--- Log opened Sun Dec 18 00:00:32 2011 20111218 00:00:54-!- Alarantalara [~alarantal@CPEc0c1c09e8055-CM00252eac6d62.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Alarantalara] 20111218 00:09:37< CIA-85> espreon * r52316 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Made the Lancer and the Deathblade conform to the current AMLA standards, thus fixing bug #19196. 20111218 00:11:18-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111218 00:12:43-!- MeccaGod [~majs@host189-199.bornet.net] has quit [] 20111218 00:15:19< alink> back 20111218 00:15:56< Espreon> And welcome back. 20111218 00:17:37< alink> alarantalara: the link between lock and neutral is : we are supposed to lock surface before manipulating them, and we also need to know their format to manipulate them correctly 20111218 00:17:59< alink> (all functions assume a neutral format) 20111218 00:19:36< alink> so usually locking and neutral are both needed, but maybe the few functions working directly on screen break this rule 20111218 00:20:38< alink> I think screen is special regarding locking, and you already found that it is special regarding format 20111218 00:21:37< alink> alarantalara: btw good job to have figured the problem 20111218 00:22:48< alink> yeah i remember something about overlays in the minimap when I worked on supporting other bit mode 20111218 00:23:16< alink> you might want to check haloes too 20111218 00:28:43< CIA-85> espreon * r52317 /trunk/data/themes/ (default.cfg widescreen.cfg): Made it so that AM and PM show up when using the smallest supported resolutions. 20111218 00:30:01< CIA-85> alink * r52318 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): update changelog 20111218 00:30:16-!- alink [~alink@wesnoth/developer/alink] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111218 00:33:41-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20111218 00:41:13-!- Sytyi [~Sytyi@40-6-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 00:43:10< CIA-85> espreon * r52319 /trunk/data/themes/widescreen.cfg: Made it so that the coordinates do not overlap with the clock status panel on the lowest supported resolutions, thus fixing bug #19118. 20111218 00:44:04< CIA-85> espreon * r52320 /trunk/data/themes/default.cfg: And fixed the default theme too... 20111218 00:44:06< Espreon> shadowmaster: ^ 20111218 00:44:16-!- Sytyi1 [~Sytyi@128-74-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 00:45:16-!- Sytyi [~Sytyi@40-6-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20111218 00:46:00< Espreon> Hmmm, actually, I don't think that was necessary. 20111218 00:47:03-!- Sytyi1 [~Sytyi@128-74-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20111218 00:47:46< CIA-85> espreon * r52321 /trunk/data/themes/ (default.cfg widescreen.cfg): Reverted revisions 52319 and 52320 since it seems that revision 52317 fixed bug #19118. 20111218 00:48:19< Espreon> shadowmaster: ^ 20111218 00:48:26-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@1F2E9BC5.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111218 00:48:26< Espreon> And sadly, I have to go. 20111218 00:54:39-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-148-247-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 01:15:20-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@d185133.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111218 01:15:54< CIA-85> soliton * r52322 /trunk/players_changelog: removed conflict markers and fixed style issues 20111218 01:16:06-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20111218 01:49:20-!- enchilado [~enchilado@defocus/yummy/enchilado] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20111218 01:49:23-!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Quit: ...] 20111218 01:50:19-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111218 02:00:12-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 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active for trunk | 158 bugs, 327 feature requests, 13 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20111218 04:32:57-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [] 20111218 04:36:00-!- Alarantalara [~alarantal@CPEc0c1c09e8055-CM00252eac6d62.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 04:39:16-!- atomicbomb [~quassel@125.160.81.86] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 20111218 04:41:08-!- atomicbomb [~quassel@125.160.81.86] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 04:44:16< Alarantalara> alink: haloes work fine 20111218 04:48:04< CIA-85> espreon * r52324 /trunk/NaCl-LICENSE: Set svn:eol-style. 20111218 04:59:14< CIA-85> alarantalara * r52325 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: OS X release notes 20111218 05:01:43< Alarantalara> alink, Ivanovic: Since I have to mark exams tomorrow, I probably won't be able to get to the bug I've added to the release notes until after the planned release. Since it's mostly cosmetic at this point, I'm not too concerned. 20111218 05:02:54< Alarantalara> Ivanovic: yes, this means that I likely won't be able to build the Mac OS package until around 23:00 GMT 20111218 05:17:02-!- Alarantalara [~alarantal@CPEc0c1c09e8055-CM00252eac6d62.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Alarantalara] 20111218 05:48:14-!- Cookiee [~quassel@unaffiliated/cookiee] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 06:09:08< Espreon> wesbot: topic 20111218 06:09:10-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.9.13 planned for Sunday, 18th | String/feature-freeze active for trunk | 159 bugs, 327 feature requests, 13 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20111218 06:21:42-!- Gambit [~quassel@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111218 06:24:06-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-148-247-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 20111218 06:24:39-!- Samual [gitkf-e@c-71-195-88-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111218 06:25:04-!- Samual [gitkf-e@c-71-195-88-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 06:37:21-!- Cookiee [~quassel@unaffiliated/cookiee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111218 07:05:35< CIA-85> espreon * r52326 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Updated the Latin translation. 20111218 07:16:24-!- oldtopman [~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopman] has quit [Quit: oldtopman has left the house] 20111218 07:36:09< shadowmaster> AI0867, mordante, Ivanovic: gettext.wesnoth.org still links to berlios for downloading add-on textdomain catalogues. What's up with that? 20111218 07:36:41< shadowmaster> I thought AI0867 had completed the migration to Git already. 20111218 07:37:42< Espreon> I don't think he changed the g.w.o scripts. 20111218 07:38:20< shadowmaster> hm, and IftU's stats look wrong. Last time I checked Espreon and I still had to import more compiled catalogues to wesnoth-umc-dev than just Russian. 20111218 07:39:06< shadowmaster> ah, never mind, trunk vs 1.8 20111218 07:39:13< Espreon> Yeah. 20111218 07:49:14-!- enchilado [~enchilado@defocus/yummy/enchilado] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111218 07:50:23-!- Sytyi [~Sytyi@128-74-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 07:52:50-!- enchilado [~enchilado@defocus/yummy/enchilado] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 08:11:51-!- enchilad1 [~enchilado@ppp118-208-73-163.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 08:11:52-!- enchilad1 [~enchilado@ppp118-208-73-163.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Changing host] 20111218 08:11:52-!- enchilad1 [~enchilado@defocus/yummy/enchilado] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 08:12:06-!- enchilado [~enchilado@defocus/yummy/enchilado] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20111218 08:12:09-!- enchilad1 is now known as enchilado 20111218 08:14:53-!- Sytyi [~Sytyi@128-74-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20111218 08:51:37-!- csarmi [csarmi@217.197.182.29] has quit [] 20111218 09:01:54-!- enchilado [~enchilado@defocus/yummy/enchilado] has quit [Quit: BBL->] 20111218 09:04:45-!- [Relic] [~relic@99-58-54-211.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20111218 09:10:57-!- knotwork_ [~markm@142.177.235.88] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 09:10:58-!- knotwork_ [~markm@142.177.235.88] has quit [Changing host] 20111218 09:10:58-!- knotwork_ [~markm@unaffiliated/knotwork] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 09:12:04-!- elias_ [~allefant@allefant.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 09:16:15-!- Samual [gitkf-e@c-71-195-88-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20111218 09:16:15-!- knotwork [~markm@unaffiliated/knotwork] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20111218 09:16:16-!- elias [~allefant@allegro/developer/allefant] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20111218 09:16:32-!- knotwork_ is now known as knotwork 20111218 09:16:39-!- Samual [gitkf-e@c-71-195-88-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 09:19:01-!- PolarPanda [~quassel@unaffiliated/peterporty] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111218 09:40:11-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-148-247-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 09:44:03-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@dtmd-4d0bc305.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 20111218 09:44:04-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 09:45:15< Ivanovic> moin 20111218 09:48:49-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 09:55:27-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-148-247-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 20111218 09:56:48-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-213-164-110-84.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 09:56:51-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-213-164-110-84.vinita.lt] has quit [Changing host] 20111218 09:56:52-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 10:27:29-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 10:27:30-!- timotei [~timotei@188.24.6.113] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 10:27:30-!- timotei [~timotei@188.24.6.113] has quit [Changing host] 20111218 10:27:30-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 10:28:29-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20111218 10:51:54-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@g224177235.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 11:02:02-!- atomicbomb [~quassel@125.160.81.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111218 11:04:07< Espreon> Ivanovic: I'm a bit concerned about bug 19199, so it'd be nice if alink took a look at it and dealt with it before you tag 1.9.13. 20111218 11:10:20< Espreon> Ivanovic: Also, I'm curious... does "AM" and such show up in the clock thing on the Pandora? Note to get a valid twelve-hour time, you may have to switch the language to en_US, ja_JP, or ... 20111218 11:12:09< Ivanovic> wesbot: bug 19199 20111218 11:12:10< wesbot> Bug #19199 Assigned to: Ali El Gariani Status: None Priority: 5 - Normal 20111218 11:12:13< wesbot> Summary: Local time of day lighting-related segfault 20111218 11:12:15< wesbot> Original submission: When launching my campaign's test... campaign, I stumbled 20111218 11:12:18< wesbot> upon this creepy crawly.This seems to be caused by those local time of day 20111218 11:12:21< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?19199 20111218 11:16:26-!- Crendgrim [~crend@77-22-113-8-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 11:25:32-!- Vorpal [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 11:43:09-!- atomicbomb [~quassel@125.161.22.181] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 11:44:18-!- mordante [~mordante@roadie.xs4all.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 11:44:19-!- mordante [~mordante@roadie.xs4all.nl] has quit [Changing host] 20111218 11:44:19-!- mordante [~mordante@wesnoth/developer/mordante] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 11:44:32< mordante> servus 20111218 11:44:41< Espreon> mordante: Ic grete þe. 20111218 11:44:48< mordante> hi Espreon 20111218 11:45:09< mordante> will only be around for a minute 20111218 11:45:13< Espreon> Awwww... 20111218 11:45:21< mordante> Espreon, Ivanovic regarding the `current_player' thing, what are we going to do with it 20111218 11:45:32< mordante> by adding it the beta's are no longer compatible 20111218 11:45:44-!- csarmi [csarmi@94-21-80-0.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 11:45:46< Espreon> ? 20111218 11:46:21< mordante> WML using that in 1.9.13 will behave differently as 1.9.12, where that feature does not exist 20111218 11:47:07< Espreon> Really now? 20111218 11:47:37< mordante> ? 20111218 11:47:46< Espreon> I don't see how. 20111218 11:48:39< mordante> if you use change_player in 1.9.13 it does something, in 1.9.12 it does nothing since the feature didn't exist in that version 20111218 11:49:27< Espreon> Uh... you mean curreny_player. 20111218 11:49:32< Espreon> *current 20111218 11:49:44< Espreon> current_player has been around for a long time. 20111218 11:49:55< mordante> not the option to modify it 20111218 11:49:57< Espreon> Anonymissimus and I just added the ability to change it. 20111218 11:50:10< Espreon> Note that Anonymissimus added the ability first. 20111218 11:51:31< mordante> yeah and that is a feature, which happened in the *FEATURE FREEZE* 20111218 11:51:50< Espreon> I doubt much of any WML makes use of current_player... unless at least one hundred people made use of it their content. 20111218 11:51:57< mordante> so that break compatibility between the beta's, which we try to avoid 20111218 11:51:58< Espreon> It was introduced to fix a bug. 20111218 11:52:12< mordante> which bug? 20111218 11:52:36-!- csarmi [csarmi@94-21-80-0.pool.digikabel.hu] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20111218 11:53:15< Espreon> 19188 20111218 11:54:20< Espreon> I don't think WML could even find out about current_player before I made [store_side] able to capture it. 20111218 12:02:40< mordante> and it couldn't have been done with a dummy side 3 where Li'sar was the leader? 20111218 12:02:59< mordante> also since it's an ancient bug I'd rather have it seen postponed 20111218 12:03:40< mordante> or at least discussed, *if* I had known the compatibility had been broken I would have fixed the rng issue as well 20111218 12:04:16< mordante> and I still feel this change is pretty intrusive, allowing for possible future bugs 20111218 12:04:50< mordante> but I'm off now 20111218 12:04:55< Espreon> Since reverting stuff seems to be a hobby of yours, just revert the commits... 20111218 12:05:13< mordante> reverting is not a hobby of me :-| 20111218 12:05:30< Espreon> Anyway, I don't really care that much about this feature, so... 20111218 12:05:50< mordante> but I got to go 20111218 12:05:53-!- mordante [~mordante@wesnoth/developer/mordante] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20111218 12:15:14-!- Espreon [~espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20111218 12:15:17-!- atomicbomb [~quassel@125.161.22.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111218 12:15:55-!- atomicbomb [~quassel@125.161.22.181] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 12:18:40< Ivanovic> hmm, breaking compatibility this late in beta time is *REALLY* bad 20111218 12:19:04< Ivanovic> that is: yeah, i was about to compose a mail asking if we can soon switch to rc state (with only one RC planned before 1.10!) 20111218 12:19:29< Ivanovic> asking for which bugs will block 1.10 and which ones are non critical, stuff like this 20111218 12:23:58-!- MeccaGod [~majs@host189-199.bornet.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 12:30:14< vultraz> Ivanovic: I've noticed something funny: If you're working on a small, personal project (eg a campaign), you can basically modify and change stuff at will, but if you're working on something with a huge user and developer base (eh Wesnoth), everything has to be done at a specific time 20111218 12:30:59< Ivanovic> vultraz: yes 20111218 12:31:13< Ivanovic> the problem is that you have to somehow coordinate with *many* people 20111218 12:45:01< vultraz> yeah, that can get messy 20111218 12:59:10-!- loonybot [~loonybot@46.138.81.125] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 12:59:10-!- loonybot [~loonybot@46.138.81.125] has quit [Changing host] 20111218 12:59:10-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 13:12:03< vultraz> Ivanovic: so A Tale of Two Brothers was yours? 20111218 13:12:30< Ivanovic> yes 20111218 13:14:56< vultraz> I was surprised at first that such a small campaign made it to mainline :P 20111218 13:15:00< vultraz> lol 20111218 13:17:04-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@84.120.216.157.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 13:17:16< Ivanovic> there is no "the content has to be epic" requirement for mainline 20111218 13:17:19< Ivanovic> ;) 20111218 13:17:41< vultraz> ;) 20111218 13:18:04< vultraz> what ARE the requirements for mainline, anyway 20111218 13:18:06-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111218 13:18:24< vultraz> besides completeness 20111218 13:18:30-!- timotei [~timotei@188.24.6.113] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 13:18:30-!- timotei [~timotei@188.24.6.113] has quit [Changing host] 20111218 13:18:30-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 13:19:51-!- Drakefriend|2 [~kvirc@31-19-75-43-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 13:20:14< atomicbomb> vultraz: awesomeness 20111218 13:20:16< atomicbomb> I think 20111218 13:20:27< vultraz> Ivanovic there is no "the content has to be epic" requirement for mainline 20111218 13:21:28< atomicbomb> I have played and finished all of the Mainline campaigns. They are all fun 20111218 13:23:11< vultraz> Ivanovic: humm....ToTB scen 1. Arvith makes a reference to the dark adept Mordak recruits, saying to distract him. But I've already dispatched him 20111218 13:23:19< loonycyborg> atomicbomb: Even NR? 20111218 13:23:26< vultraz> s/killed/defeated 20111218 13:23:45< atomicbomb> loonycyborg: yup. with some savescums at the last scenario. hehe 20111218 13:24:29< vultraz> atomicbomb: does savescum mean save and reload? 20111218 13:24:36< atomicbomb> yep 20111218 13:24:38< loonycyborg> atomicbomb: imo the sheer amount of units it requires you to control is kinda pushing wesnoth's limits. 20111218 13:24:46< atomicbomb> yeah 20111218 13:25:01< atomicbomb> Who the hell created NR? 20111218 13:25:12< atomicbomb> That campaign is just... too heavy 20111218 13:25:19< vultraz> lol 20111218 13:25:46< atomicbomb> Even on easy, the vast amount of units makes the game lags 20111218 13:25:54< vultraz> I was shocked at the 10,000 gold in that chest in The Pursuit 20111218 13:26:00< atomicbomb> yeah 20111218 13:27:21< atomicbomb> My favourite campaign is LoW. The storyline is so good. I'm amazed. 20111218 13:28:15< vultraz> I don't really liek Low 20111218 13:28:19< vultraz> LoW* 20111218 13:28:21< vultraz> like* 20111218 13:28:54< vultraz> because the labels on the maps distort (in my mind) the sense of scale 20111218 13:28:58-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-213-164-110-84.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 13:28:58-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-213-164-110-84.vinita.lt] has quit [Changing host] 20111218 13:28:59-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 13:29:18< Ivanovic> fendrin: ^ 20111218 13:29:32< Ivanovic> vultraz: i am sure that fendrin does welcome feedback 20111218 13:29:33< Ivanovic> ;) 20111218 13:30:02< vultraz> oh, fendrin did LoW? 20111218 13:30:27< Ivanovic> i don't think he originally created the campaign, but eventually he took over maintainership of it 20111218 13:30:40< vultraz> ahh 20111218 13:30:57< vultraz> oh here: 20111218 13:31:01< vultraz> Creator and Lead Designer 20111218 13:31:02< vultraz> Spiros, George and Alexander Alexiou (Santi/fnaek) - Main designers, former maintainers. 20111218 13:33:02< vultraz> Ivanovic: so what are the mainline requirements (besides completeness) 20111218 13:33:10< vultraz> and well-written ness 20111218 13:33:29< Ivanovic> it has to be maintained (aka some maintainer available for doing fixes) 20111218 13:33:39< Ivanovic> and it has to add something new/different/interesting 20111218 13:33:48< Ivanovic> eg the case for two brothers is basically: 20111218 13:34:10< Ivanovic> 1) it is (on easy) a short and easy campaign that can be completed by a complete novice in some 2 to 3h 20111218 13:34:43< vultraz> then how did NR get in there 20111218 13:34:46< Ivanovic> 2) on hard it has some interesting aspects like fighting undead without having suited weapons or fighting elves in the forest 20111218 13:35:07< Ivanovic> that one is a case for "freaking huge thing to drive the engine into the outer area of what is possible" 20111218 13:36:00< vultraz> lol 20111218 13:36:27< vultraz> do RPGs count? 20111218 13:37:05< Ivanovic> what do you think utbs is? 20111218 13:37:17< atomicbomb> hahaha 20111218 13:37:30-!- Espreon [~espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 13:38:00< vultraz> lol 20111218 13:39:29< vultraz> all right, good to know. That means my RPG campaign has a chance...if I ever finish it. And right now I dunno if I'll even have part 1 done before I'm saying Merry Christmas 2012 20111218 13:40:15 * Espreon guesses that Ivanovic is not going to check... 20111218 13:40:19< Espreon> :( 20111218 13:40:32< Ivanovic> Espreon: check what exactly? 20111218 13:40:53< Espreon> 11:10:20< Espreon> Ivanovic: Also, I'm curious... does "AM" and such show up in the clock thing on the Pandora? Note to get a valid twelve-hour time, you may have to switch the language to en_US, ja_JP, or ... 20111218 13:41:24< Espreon> Of course, I mean when playing Wesnoth. 20111218 13:41:26< Ivanovic> so you want me to create and "package" an svn build for me to check if it works with the latest version? 20111218 13:42:08< Ivanovic> (since i got to copy files/folders around manually i try to only build and package for the pandora once a release is ready to be packaged) 20111218 13:42:13< Espreon> If that's what it takes. 20111218 13:42:25< vultraz> wait...Why does my Wesnoth clock display my local time? 20111218 13:42:40< Espreon> Ivanovic: You only need to copy the latest .cfg of the default theme to wherever. 20111218 13:42:44< Ivanovic> please remind me once i tagged 1.9.13, since i create a package than anyway 20111218 13:43:01< Ivanovic> Espreon: those are packages similar to the osx discimages 20111218 13:43:12< Espreon> Ah. 20111218 13:43:13< Ivanovic> basically a compressed filesystem, similar to an iso file 20111218 13:43:29< Espreon> vultraz: Why wouldn't it? 20111218 13:43:34< vultraz> I dunno... 20111218 13:43:40< vultraz> I just never thought it would 20111218 13:43:43< Ivanovic> vultraz: which other time should it know about that it can display? 20111218 13:44:24< Espreon> Ivanovic: It'd just be nice to see if it works properly on things where players actually have to use really small resolutions. 20111218 13:44:27< vultraz> For some reason I thought the clock was supposed to display something like an in-game time or something... 20111218 13:44:41< Ivanovic> Espreon: it should display identically when you just switch to 800x480 20111218 13:45:03< Espreon> Ah, then it should work just fine. 20111218 13:45:05< Ivanovic> since that is all i do, create a linux build and have it configured to start with 800x480 as default setting (since that is the display resolution) 20111218 13:45:42< Ivanovic> hey, this is basically a full arm based desktop system (okay, laptop system, though you got a desktop environment (xfce)) 20111218 13:46:32< Espreon> vultraz: You so funny!™ 20111218 13:46:50< vultraz> *rolls eyes* 20111218 13:47:22< vultraz> I guess the clock is useful for knowing the time when playing fullscreen 20111218 13:47:40< vultraz> so you know how obscenely late you've played :P 20111218 13:47:46< Ivanovic> and to make sure that there is no strange looking unused space with a background image 20111218 13:48:33< Espreon> vultraz: Yeah. 20111218 13:48:40< Espreon> But I tend to ignore it sometimes... 20111218 13:48:41< Espreon> Oh well. 20111218 13:50:21< vultraz> Wesnoth is so addicting 20111218 14:27:00-!- arnem_ [~quassel@host-2-100-66-209.as13285.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 14:29:19-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20111218 14:29:22-!- arnem [~quassel@host-89-242-107-181.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20111218 14:30:39-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@dhip-149.coburn.residences.colby.edu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 14:36:06-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@1F2E9BC5.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 14:36:47-!- oldtopman [~oldtopman@71-33-144-66.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 14:36:52-!- oldtopman [~oldtopman@71-33-144-66.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 20111218 14:36:52-!- oldtopman [~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 14:41:28< fendrin> vultraz: hi 20111218 14:41:53< vultraz> fendrin: hey 20111218 14:43:41< fendrin> vultraz: something wrong with LoW? 20111218 14:46:29< vultraz> it's just that the map labels distort (in my opinion) the sense of scale 20111218 14:46:55-!- atomicbomb [~quassel@125.161.22.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111218 14:47:15< fendrin> vultraz: The labels on the Ka'lian map? 20111218 14:47:25< vultraz> yeah 20111218 14:47:38< vultraz> though I think other maps have them too 20111218 14:48:59< vultraz> be back in a bit 20111218 14:49:43-!- Gambit [~quassel@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 15:05:32< fendrin> vultraz: Because there are named villages? But a village looks just like a single building and this is confusing? 20111218 15:08:31-!- anonymissimus [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-163-105.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 15:09:49< anonymissimus> Espreon : please don't act as if I added the feature; I did that only due to your request 20111218 15:10:50< anonymissimus> mordante, Espreon I'd be happy with reverting the whole stuff (my commits as well) since I don't feel this attribute should be modifyable in the first place 20111218 15:11:34< anonymissimus> mordante: introducing a dummy side should work I think :) 20111218 15:11:45< vultraz> fendrin: yeah 20111218 15:12:01< vultraz> also the woods 20111218 15:12:03< Espreon> anonymissimus: But you *did*, in sooth, add the feature. 20111218 15:13:40< anonymissimus> mordante: but I think you are too concerned about "breaking compatibility"; considering the case someone could have already used a feature which was then implemented and thus the wml behaves now differently is kind of overkill 20111218 15:14:37< anonymissimus> if something was documented and is changed to work differently then yes, that's nreaking compatibility 20111218 15:14:55< fendrin> vultraz: But you are aware that this is in fact the wesnoth terrain scale. A foot solider does 6*5 hex fields in a day. If a village would really be a single building one could easily march more than 30 the size of them. 20111218 15:15:35< Soliton> i don't think we need to redefine what breaks compatibility in stable versions. 20111218 15:16:30< Soliton> we try not to break forwards and backwards compatibility in stable. 20111218 15:19:21< vultraz> fendrin: yeah, but most people do not see it as such 20111218 15:19:33< vultraz> we think of a 'village' hex as a house 20111218 15:20:25< Soliton> most people don't claim to know what most people think, btw. 20111218 15:21:20< zookeeper> actually i think do ;) 20111218 15:21:26< zookeeper> +they 20111218 15:21:45 * Ivanovic tries to stop thinking every now and then... 20111218 15:21:46< Soliton> ok, i might have confused most people with reasonable people. :-) 20111218 15:21:47< Ivanovic> ;) 20111218 15:22:44 * Soliton kicks CIA-85 20111218 15:22:45< CIA-85> ow 20111218 15:24:47-!- alink [~alink@wesnoth/developer/alink] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 15:26:55< Espreon> alink: Hello. 20111218 15:27:02< fendrin> vultraz: I will replace the images of the named villages with something that gives the impression of a bigger settlement as soon as the replacement is available. The current elvish village images are outdated and don't have much variation. 20111218 15:27:59< alink> hello Espreon 20111218 15:28:41< alink> Espreon: I think I have found the cause of your bug 20111218 15:29:31< alink> Espreon: and thanks, it was in fact random (caused by invalid memory reference) 20111218 15:31:05-!- Alcox_ [~Alcox@115.172.221.187] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 15:31:36< alink> probably needs to start rendering local ToD before rendering other things 20111218 15:31:47< alink> (to trigger the bug) 20111218 15:31:48-!- Alcox_ is now known as Alcox 20111218 15:33:11< alink> like some local ToD north west of the starting position of the first scenario played 20111218 15:33:32< Espreon> alink: Ah, cool. 20111218 15:34:15< alink> it works now but I double check everything since a release is planned today 20111218 15:34:19< vultraz> fendrin: yeah. What I think when seeing the Kalian map is a castle in the woods with a few houses scattered arounf 20111218 15:34:21< vultraz> d* 20111218 15:34:24< vultraz> and a stream 20111218 15:34:32< vultraz> with some rocks 20111218 15:38:18< alink> maybe also found a optimization target, image caches are a big vector we should probably try pre-allocating it 20111218 15:38:29< Espreon> Yummy. 20111218 15:40:15< alink> well a small optimization target for first loading ;) 20111218 15:40:53< alink> but I like faster boot for debugging 20111218 15:48:07< alink> wesbot: log r52330 20111218 15:48:08< wesbot> alink * r52330 : Fix bug #19199 (segfault when local ToD area is rendered early)Was caused when image cache reallocation triggered during the construction of a lightmap 20111218 15:48:12< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=52330 20111218 15:48:15< alink> Espreon: ^ 20111218 15:48:29 * anonymissimus never expected the engine to work forward-compatible with his addons 20111218 15:49:37< Espreon> alink: Cool. Thanks. 20111218 15:49:38< alink> Espreon: thanks again for the catch, it could have been potentially hard to reproduce 20111218 15:49:47< Espreon> Heh, no prob. 20111218 15:52:07-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@84.120.216.157.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20111218 15:52:34-!- elias_ is now known as elias 20111218 15:52:46-!- elias [~allefant@allefant.com] has quit [Changing host] 20111218 15:52:46-!- elias [~allefant@allegro/developer/allefant] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 15:54:45< anonymissimus> dummy side works; however the tutorial contains a lot of filters referencing sides and I'm concerned about catching all references as expected 20111218 15:55:34< anonymissimus> zookeeper: i think you know the code much better :) 20111218 15:55:53< Espreon> anonymissimus: Note that he may not wish to touch it. 20111218 15:58:15-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@84.120.216.157.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 16:01:03-!- horon [~horon@nttkyo316066.tkyo.nt.ngn2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20111218 16:04:16< anonymissimus> anyway, a wml only fix seems some more complicated but possible 20111218 16:04:24< anonymissimus> and I'm much more happy with that 20111218 16:08:02< Espreon> I think it's absurd, but whatever. 20111218 16:08:23< vultraz> what attribute is this again? 20111218 16:08:55< Espreon> current_player 20111218 16:09:10< anonymissimus> if something is absurd then not closing the bug as wont fix in the first place due to it being not sensible enought 20111218 16:09:22< anonymissimus> i wouldnt have made such a report 20111218 16:10:00< Espreon> Or you mark it as postponed and fix it properly later. 20111218 16:14:56< Soliton> anonymissimus: do you really think the bug report is not sensible? 20111218 16:15:18< Ivanovic> the report itself is sensible since correct 20111218 16:15:19< Espreon> ... Then again, no one seems to want to do that. 20111218 16:15:39< Ivanovic> though a solution for the moment is to postpone it and fix it in a "good" way without breaking compatibility 20111218 16:16:14-!- Alcox is now known as ymmuse 20111218 16:16:16< Espreon> And sadly, I have to go. 20111218 16:25:55-!- PolarPanda [~quassel@unaffiliated/peterporty] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 16:34:58-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-148-247-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 16:40:29-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111218 16:42:59-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 16:54:11-!- Sytyi [~Sytyi@128-74-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 17:02:11< anonymissimus> Soliton: well; I sort of always knew about this issue but never bothered to report it 20111218 17:02:48< anonymissimus> a better word then "sensible" would be "negligible" I think 20111218 17:07:12< Soliton> alright, that sounds more sensible. :-) 20111218 17:07:58< anonymissimus> anyway, now the release can come without a questionable feature introduced 20111218 17:15:24< Soliton> is bug #19055 now fixed or still open? if still open the attached patch seems simple enough... 20111218 17:18:37< anonymissimus> Soliton: bug #19055 is open 20111218 17:18:56< anonymissimus> (it is marked NONE isn't it ?!) 20111218 17:21:49< anonymissimus> vultraz: unsupported widget errors can also arise because of bugs or rather a non-existaent feature in the engine 20111218 17:22:19< anonymissimus> vultraz: I suggest minimizing to find out which widget it is... 20111218 17:24:11< vultraz> humm 20111218 17:24:16< vultraz> ok I'll try that 20111218 17:26:01< anonymissimus> vultraz: you probably don't need the synchronize_choice stuff at first; since you target only singleplayer 20111218 17:26:22< anonymissimus> I would expect it to be neccessary for the replay though 20111218 17:26:49< anonymissimus> unless it is a dialog which doesnt return any user input 20111218 17:29:57-!- oldtopman [~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111218 17:30:26< anonymissimus> whats up with wesbot, still doesnt show my revision 20111218 17:41:20-!- ymmuse [~Alcox@115.172.221.187] has quit [Quit: ymmuse] 20111218 17:48:48< vultraz> hummm 20111218 17:49:10< vultraz> anonymissimus: still get errors with this. (hang on lemme pastebin) 20111218 17:51:34< anonymissimus> vultraz: pls use the forum 20111218 17:52:45< vultraz> oh mk 20111218 17:58:27< vultraz> anonymissimus: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=516188#p516188 20111218 18:12:50-!- Vorpal [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20111218 18:13:37-!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 18:20:32-!- Vorpal [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 18:49:47-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.9.13 planned for Sunday, 18th | String/feature-freeze active for trunk | 158 bugs, 327 feature requests, 13 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20111218 18:59:18-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 19:06:40< shadowmaster> since https://gna.org/bugs/?19196 was fixed I guess MP compatibility broke once again? 20111218 19:08:31< anonymissimus> that breaks it I'm sure yes 20111218 19:13:45< shadowmaster> I'm working on a solution for #16571 (more specifically, the particular case with the MP user credentials) 20111218 19:14:25< Soliton> excellent. 20111218 19:14:58< Soliton> we should really get that fixed before 1.10. 20111218 19:21:13< shadowmaster> do we have statistics regarding the average and max simultaneous MP players we get on the development server instance, btw? 20111218 19:21:35< shadowmaster> *daily statistics 20111218 19:21:51< Soliton> http://wesnothd.wesnoth.org 20111218 19:22:52< shadowmaster> thanks 20111218 19:38:11-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-148-247-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 20111218 19:58:19-!- gabba [~gabba@wesnoth/developer/gabba] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 20:03:26< gabba> Ivanovic: just to let you know, I still have one critical bug to solve for the whiteboard: some alledged problems with controller changes. There's no bug report for it and I still have to reproduce it, though. I hope to be able to work on that on the 23rd-24th, but otherwise I'll have to push it to the beginning of January. 20111218 20:03:51< Ivanovic> gabba: hmm, okay, good to know 20111218 20:10:04-!- alink [~alink@wesnoth/developer/alink] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111218 20:16:21-!- Vorpal [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20111218 20:17:21-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 20:17:33-!- Vorpal [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 20:28:30-!- oldtopmanserver [1000@unaffiliated/oldtopmanserver] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20111218 20:28:50-!- [Relic] [~relic@99-58-54-211.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 20:31:34-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@84.120.216.157.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111218 20:42:21-!- knotwork_ [~markm@142.177.233.25] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 20:42:21-!- knotwork_ [~markm@142.177.233.25] has quit [Changing host] 20111218 20:42:21-!- knotwork_ [~markm@unaffiliated/knotwork] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 20:45:40-!- knotwork [~markm@unaffiliated/knotwork] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20111218 20:49:38< shadowmaster> Fixed and filed https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19201 20111218 20:56:06< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52327 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-manual/de.po wesnoth-tutorial/de.po): updated German translation 20111218 20:56:34< Ivanovic> wow, cia ain't lagging today... 20111218 21:03:03< Mkaysi> Their hhomepage has been down for ten hours or something. 20111218 21:03:05-!- oldtopmanserver [~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopmanserver] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 21:03:41< shadowmaster> 16:59:16 it seems to work for me atm though 20111218 21:03:47< shadowmaster> 16:59:57 albeit really slowly 20111218 21:04:15< Mkaysi> I am there too. 20111218 21:04:27< Mkaysi> I mean #cia. 20111218 21:19:16-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20111218 21:19:37-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 21:28:48-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20111218 21:47:12< anonymissimus> what's up with the release btw ? 20111218 21:47:45< anonymissimus> all the important fixes just got in... 20111218 21:54:47-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@1F2E9BC5.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111218 21:56:17-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-148-247-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 21:56:27-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@ppp59-167-222-56.qld.adsl.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20111218 22:01:52-!- Crendgrim [~crend@77-22-113-8-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ...] 20111218 22:03:06-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@84.120.216.157.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 22:28:50-!- ancestral [~ancestral@67-6-35-100.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111218 22:31:03-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-148-247-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 20111218 22:36:09-!- Sytyi [~Sytyi@128-74-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20111218 22:48:33-!- MeccaGod [~majs@host189-199.bornet.net] has quit [] 20111218 22:48:38-!- knotwork_ is now known as knotwork 20111218 22:52:55-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20111218 23:15:08-!- Drakefriend|2 [~kvirc@31-19-75-43-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: I quit for now. 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