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20111224 00:49:47-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: String/feature-freeze active for trunk | 158 bugs, 328 feature requests, 13 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20111224 01:06:16< fendrin> hi
20111224 01:09:24< fendrin> MerryShadowmas: Hi, did you notice the replacement of palm tree by rain forest trees?
20111224 01:10:42< shadowmaster> 20111217 23:10:21< shadowmaster> my maps have been ruined
20111224 01:10:42< shadowmaster> 20111217 23:10:56< shadowmaster> or alternatively, I'll need a few months to get used to the new super-dense tropical forest.
20111224 01:10:56< shadowmaster> so, I guess, "yes"
20111224 01:10:57< fendrin> yes
20111224 01:11:08< fendrin> utbs will have some problems as well
20111224 01:11:27< fendrin> I think we should include both terrains. Tropical forest and palm trees.
20111224 01:12:26< shadowmaster> no, that was already ruled out because of the feature freeze. Now, I couldn't get a sensible explanation as to why the tropical forest came to replace the previous terrain graphics instead of using the sparse palm forest graphics from Mefisto.
20111224 01:12:50< fendrin> Oh no.
20111224 01:12:53< shadowmaster> well, more like string freeze. As far as I'm concerned, the graphics replacement was an unjustified violation of the feature freeze.
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20111224 01:13:11< fendrin> Let's either revert the commit or break the freeze. It is not good as it is.
20111224 01:13:55< fendrin> I really like the new forest by the way. It's just not a good replacement.
20111224 01:14:00< shadowmaster> We technically *can* do that. However, the commit was more-or-less requested by Jetrel.
20111224 01:14:28< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=513760#p513760
20111224 01:14:30< fendrin> I think he did not had the consequences in mind.
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20111224 01:42:04< anonymissimus> "Naturally these don't go in until after the feature freeze thaws, of course"
20111224 01:42:33< anonymissimus> he didnt even encourage to put them in before 1.11
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20111224 01:54:10< anonymissimus> fendrin: I already wrote my opinion in the forum, but subscribe to your post
20111224 01:54:32< anonymissimus> to this one http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=516692#p516692
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20111224 04:53:47< Alarantalara> shadowmaster: The sparse palm wasn't used because it didn't exist when Jetrel gave his approval
20111224 04:54:24< Alarantalara> and then zookeeper suggested it could be done since with wasn't a feature change
20111224 04:54:42< Alarantalara> and then someone I don't remember asked if I was going to handle it
20111224 04:54:50< Alarantalara> and then we get this chaos
20111224 04:55:02< shadowmaster> great...
20111224 04:56:55< Alarantalara> I suppose there have been enough complaints that I should revert it for later
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20111224 05:11:05< CIA-85> alarantalara * r52362 /trunk/data/core/ (39 files in 2 dirs): Restore old jungle by popular demand
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20111224 09:42:38< Ivanovic> moin
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20111224 15:27:23< Ivanovic> (very) early and preliminary schedule for the open source gamedev devroom at fosdem: https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/open-source-gamedev-devroom/2011-December/000031.html
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20111224 18:38:16< fendrin> Alarantalara: Replacing the current tree palms with the new ones is fine, just don't replace current tree palms with dense jungle. And it would be nice to have the oases using the new tree palms as well.
20111224 18:38:36< Alarantalara> I'm not sure that Mefisto has finished the new palms yet
20111224 18:39:58< Alarantalara> I should probably ask
20111224 18:40:12< fendrin> There is no need to hurry. The commit can take it's time and be done shortly before the final release of 1.10.
20111224 18:41:31< fendrin> Replacing images is rather uncritical.
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20111224 20:50:38< Espreon> People... why haven't we discussed the über-important female Lich issue?
20111224 20:51:05< shadowmaster> I don't see anything in the developers ML about it.
20111224 20:51:49< Espreon> shadowmaster: Well, the removal wasn't discussed in the ML... so...
20111224 20:52:33< shadowmaster> I believe someone said it was added and then removed like 4 days later? Also, why did this suddenly become an issue after years?
20111224 20:53:08< Espreon> Because *I* noticed it.™
20111224 20:58:34< shadowmaster> Then you should probably work on fixing it  since I doubt there's many people who care
20111224 20:58:46< shadowmaster> You'll have to ask for permission first.
20111224 21:00:04< csarmi> :)
20111224 21:00:30< CIA-85> espreon * r52363 /trunk/ (28 files in 27 dirs): Updated the Latin translation.
20111224 21:00:44< csarmi> what happens to a female dark sorcerer if she levels?
20111224 21:00:50< csarmi> becomes a male lich?
20111224 21:00:58< Espreon> Ivanovic: To ensure Slavic happiness throughout the land, may I thaw the string freeze once more to solve the female Lich problem?
20111224 21:01:10< Espreon> *Slavic and God-knows-what
20111224 21:03:37< csarmi> a Lich for christmas?
20111224 21:04:06< Espreon> Sure, why not?
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20111224 21:13:30< timotei> hmm
20111224 21:13:49< timotei> does anyone know: in src/scripting/lua.cpp
20111224 21:13:57< timotei> there are the modify_xxxx_attrib() macros.
20111224 21:14:03< Espreon> timotei: Ask anonymissimus.
20111224 21:14:07< Espreon> He's the new Lua Lord.
20111224 21:14:18< timotei> skipping the fact that they are very awkward... why is the "acessor" statement on there?
20111224 21:14:28< timotei> AFAIR writing true; or false; in C++ does nothing...
20111224 21:14:34< timotei> Espreon: this is not really lua related :P
20111224 21:14:47< timotei> but rather some (evil?)-macro-ish wizardy
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20111224 21:14:51< timotei> wizardry*
20111224 21:14:59< Espreon> timotei: I wouldn't know, and I probably wouldn't care.
20111224 21:15:01< timotei> #define modify_int_attrib(name, accessor) \
20111224 21:15:01< timotei> 	if (strcmp(m, name) == 0) { \
20111224 21:15:01< timotei> 		int value = luaL_checkinteger(L, 3); \
20111224 21:15:01< timotei> 		accessor; \
20111224 21:15:01< timotei> 		return 0; \
20111224 21:15:03< timotei> 	}
20111224 21:15:23< Espreon> It's all the same gobbledygook to me.
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20111224 21:20:38< loonycyborg> timotei: Accessor is a macro arg. Any text could be there.
20111224 21:21:09< timotei> loonycyborg: true. but in our case I see it can take only true/false values.
20111224 21:21:17< timotei> that's why I was a bit puzzle
20111224 21:21:18< timotei> d
20111224 21:22:19< loonycyborg> Maybe it is a statement with side effects in some other place.
20111224 21:22:30< timotei> Yeah... Side Effects for the win :))
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20111224 22:31:22< CIA-85> zookeeper * r52364 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/04c_Mal-Ravanals_Capital.cfg: Fixed Mal-Ravanal appearing as a Lich instead of an Ancient Lich in one scenario, as reported on the forums.
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20111224 23:37:35< anonymissimus> Espreoni, would that break MP compatibility again as well ? then no, IMHO
20111224 23:38:07< Espreon> anonymissimus: Who knows? Linguistic issues... are grave issues.
20111224 23:38:09< anonymissimus> timotei: whatÄs wrong about those macros ? imagine what it becomes
20111224 23:38:25< anonymissimus> they are only for language nazis
20111224 23:38:30< Espreon> anonymissimus: ...
20111224 23:38:38< Espreon> No.
20111224 23:39:15 * anonymissimus (would even be happy with wesnoth being completely untranslated)
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20111224 23:40:27< shadowmaster> My grasp of English wasn't very good back when I started playing Wesnoth and I'm grateful for the existence of an active Spanish translation team back then.
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20111224 23:41:17< anonymissimus> timotei: for instance, this accessor; becomes u.set_attacks(value);
20111224 23:41:59< anonymissimus> is there any way to view preprocessed C++ btw , that could be useful at times, such as the --preprocess wesnoth parameter
20111224 23:42:30< shadowmaster> depends on your compiler. For GCC, there's the -E siwitch
20111224 23:42:46< shadowmaster> GCC's cpp also defaults to -E behavior 
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20111224 23:49:06< Espreon> anonymissimus: Well, all I have to say is: "Shame on you!"
20111224 23:49:27< anonymissimus> why ?
20111224 23:50:34< Espreon> Uh, do I have to say why?
20111224 23:51:22< anonymissimus> because i would be happy with untranslated wesnoth ?
20111224 23:52:29< Espreon> Yeah.
20111224 23:53:09< Espreon> I'm tired of this English-only crap...
20111224 23:53:26< anonymissimus> i'm happy with some of my programs programs which have no (German) translation at all
20111224 23:53:46< anonymissimus> some of them have but I even don't use the translated version
20111224 23:54:11< Espreon> I didn't say you should have to use them.
20111224 23:54:15< anonymissimus> because it makes google search for related stuff and following tutorials much easier
20111224 23:57:23< anonymissimus> admittedly, when reading through UtbS's story I'm thankful for a translation...
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