--- Log opened Mon Dec 26 00:00:28 2011 20111226 00:10:12-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20111226 00:11:50-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@ctv-213-164-110-84.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 00:11:53-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@ctv-213-164-110-84.vinita.lt] has quit [Changing host] 20111226 00:11:53-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 00:12:56-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20111226 00:18:58-!- stikonas__ [~gentoo@84.32.245.15] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 00:20:36-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20111226 00:21:18< Rhonda> anonymissimus: depends on the undead type. zombies usually have gender they inherit from their former living state. :) 20111226 00:21:44< Rhonda> True, it's usually hard to see the gender with skeletons, but even those have an inherited gender from their former living state. 20111226 00:22:58< shadowmaster> or name 20111226 00:23:02< Espreon> Indeed. 20111226 00:24:26-!- stikonas__ is now known as stikonas 20111226 00:25:23< Rhonda> And I'm uncertain what you like to refer to as "complicate code", I don't know any complicated l10n code, especially in contrary to AI code or terrain/hitrate calculations. 20111226 00:34:24-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 00:36:52< CIA-85> ai0867 * r52367 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/ (libgithub.py wescamp.py): Add --checkout option to wescamp.py 20111226 00:37:03< CIA-85> ai0867 * r52366 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/libgithub.py: Fix libgithub's addon()'s repository filtering 20111226 00:41:12-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@h145-169.pool46-249.dyn.tolna.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20111226 00:41:17< AI0867> fendrin: see the test scenario 20111226 00:41:39< AI0867> there's an electrical damage type and a "long ranged" range in there 20111226 00:58:45< AI0867> Rhonda: you are in the 'wesnoth' group on wesnoth.org, correct? 20111226 01:02:08< Rhonda> I am uncertain, but I am in the root group … 20111226 01:02:15< AI0867> that'll do 20111226 01:02:33< AI0867> I'll commit some gettext.wesnoth.org changes, and then I'll have a few commands I'd like you to run 20111226 01:03:03< Rhonda> Not this nite, surry. It's past 1am 20111226 01:03:12< Rhonda> and like zou see I canät type anzmore 20111226 01:03:26< Espreon> Noez... 20111226 01:03:26< CIA-85> ai0867 * r52368 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/ (bin/update-gettext-stats config.php): Update gettext.wesnoth.org to work with wescamp using git 20111226 01:03:49< AI0867> ouch, that looks like a non-en_US keyboard 20111226 01:04:34< AI0867> okay, for anyone who does: 20111226 01:05:22< AI0867> 1: /usr/src/svn-checkouts/website/bin/update-gettext-stats 20111226 01:05:46-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20111226 01:06:07< AI0867> 2: rm -rf /usr/src/svn-checkouts/wescamp-i18n/ 20111226 01:06:49< shadowmaster> for the latter, wesnoth group membership isn't enough 20111226 01:07:14< shadowmaster> the directory is owned by a completely different group, as well as its parent 20111226 01:07:46< AI0867> 3: (cd /usr/src/svn-checkouts/trunk/;./data/tools/wesnoth/wescamp.py -g -w /usr/src/svn-checkouts/wescamp-i18n/branch-1.8 -c) 20111226 01:07:51< AI0867> 4: (cd /usr/src/svn-checkouts/trunk/;./data/tools/wesnoth/wescamp.py -g -w /usr/src/svn-checkouts/wescamp-i18n/branch-1.10 -c) 20111226 01:07:58< AI0867> 5: /usr/src/svn-checkouts/website/bin/update-gettext-stats 20111226 01:08:04< shadowmaster> wesnoth user though? that would work 20111226 01:08:58< AI0867> ah, okay 20111226 01:09:14< AI0867> I'm still a little fuzzy on the permission system on wesnoth.org 20111226 01:09:56< AI0867> now, step 1 will probably happen automatically due to cron 20111226 01:10:00< shadowmaster> (and of course, I don't belong/have access to either as I said the other day) 20111226 01:10:22< AI0867> but the identical step 5 will fail if steps 2-4 haven't been performed yet 20111226 01:10:26< AI0867> not that that's a big issue 20111226 01:10:41< AI0867> but it'll probably cause some mails to be sent automatically 20111226 01:15:58-!- Sytyi [~Sytyi@3-10-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111226 01:17:48-!- sytyi [~sytyi@3-10-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 01:21:49-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20111226 01:27:37-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20111226 01:43:43-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 01:49:34-!- MeccaGod [~majs@host189-199.bornet.net] has quit [] 20111226 02:01:29-!- stikonas [~gentoo@84.32.245.15] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20111226 02:11:05-!- Upthorn [~ogmar@108-85-91-228.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20111226 02:13:12-!- sytyi [~sytyi@3-10-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20111226 02:14:48-!- anonymissimus [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-163-105.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: done building targets] 20111226 02:16:30-!- Sytyi [~Sytyi@3-10-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 02:19:21< Soliton> AI0867: step 3 and 4 running... 20111226 02:27:22< Soliton> AI0867: done. 20111226 02:32:45< Espreon> AI0867: index.php and index.extra.php still need to be updated. 20111226 02:33:51-!- Sytyi [~Sytyi@3-10-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20111226 03:00:05-!- ymmuse [~ymmuse@210.14.78.139] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 03:00:40-!- ymmuse [~ymmuse@210.14.78.139] has quit [Client Quit] 20111226 03:06:35-!- atomicbomb [~quassel@125.164.91.171] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 03:13:14-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 20111226 04:06:38-!- Vorpal [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20111226 04:18:40-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@dtmd-4d0bf283.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 04:21:26-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20111226 04:22:37-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20111226 04:22:46< CIA-85> ai0867 * r52369 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/ (index.extra.php index.lang.php index.php): Change gettext.wesnoth.org download links 20111226 04:22:47< AI0867> Espreon: ^ thanks to the cronjob, this should fix itself now 20111226 04:23:27< Espreon> Excellent. 20111226 04:24:02< AI0867> don't know how often it runs though 20111226 04:24:42< Espreon> I know the one I'm familiar with runs every thirty minutes. 20111226 04:24:52< Espreon> ... Well, about every thirty minutes. 20111226 04:25:31< AI0867> okay, well, check in 35 minutes then 20111226 04:25:41< Espreon> All right. 20111226 04:25:46< AI0867> if you find that something is broken, too bad, I'll be asleep 20111226 04:26:04< Espreon> It should be run in about ten minutes. 20111226 04:33:49< AI0867> hmm, looks like I broke something 20111226 04:35:30< Espreon> AI0867: What broke? 20111226 04:37:13< Espreon> AI0867: The "trunk" stuff shouldn't be used. 1.10 should be used instead. 20111226 04:38:09< AI0867> I know, but I just rewrote the urls 20111226 04:38:18< AI0867> or that's what I thought I did 20111226 04:39:02< Espreon> It appears not. 20111226 04:39:30< Espreon> And 1.8 URLs don't work... 20111226 04:39:40< Espreon> I get stuff like this: https://raw.github.com/wescamp/Fall_of_Silvium-branch/master/po/en_GB.po 20111226 04:42:36< CIA-85> ai0867 * r52370 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/ (index.extra.php index.lang.php index.php): Use $branch variable instead of $version 20111226 04:45:35< AI0867> yeah 20111226 04:45:42< AI0867> another fix incoming... 20111226 04:45:54< AI0867> once the VPS stops lagging... 20111226 04:46:55< CIA-85> ai0867 * r52371 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/index.lang.php: Use the correct variable for the add-on name 20111226 04:47:06< AI0867> that should be it 20111226 04:47:19< AI0867> and as the next update will take 20 minutes, I'm really off now 20111226 04:48:29< Espreon> All right, see ya. 20111226 05:18:30< Espreon> AI0867: trunk URLs get "1.8" instead of "1.10" 20111226 05:29:18< Espreon> I assume this might fix it, but I don't know much about PHP: http://pastebin.com/PdWHgf8m 20111226 05:31:19< shadowmaster> that's valid PHP at least 20111226 05:31:47< shadowmaster> although the formatting of the braces is a bit off 20111226 05:32:05< shadowmaster> hm, it's off in the original code too. bah 20111226 05:32:22 * Espreon is tempted to commit it to see what happens 20111226 05:34:56< Espreon> Hmmm, I think I'd have to declare the wescamp*version variables as global... 20111226 05:35:12< Espreon> But I dunno. 20111226 05:36:04< shadowmaster> I'm sure AI will be able to reviewit before long.  20111226 05:36:27< Espreon> Yeah. 20111226 05:36:32< shadowmaster> I for one am too lazy to check the context and I think a broken page is better than a 502 message. 20111226 05:36:54< shadowmaster> *broken links on a working page 20111226 05:37:13< shadowmaster> er, 500, not 5002 20111226 05:38:04< shadowmaster> nor 502 20111226 05:38:53-!- enchilado [~enchilado@defocus/yummy/enchilado] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 05:43:35-!- shadowm_laptop2 [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 05:44:07-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20111226 05:44:11-!- shadowm_laptop2 is now known as shadowm_laptop 20111226 05:46:41-!- happygrue_ [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 05:55:33-!- 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Lo siento.™ 20111226 14:38:26< Ivanovic> Espreon: but you know some of the most important changes that happened over the last two years 20111226 14:38:35< Ivanovic> just mentioning these *is* helping! 20111226 14:38:52< Espreon> Sí, es vero. :( 20111226 14:41:52< Espreon> Ivanovic: What've you got so far? 20111226 14:42:24< Ivanovic> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/website/start/1.10/template.html 20111226 14:42:35< Ivanovic> i am about to upload an updated version with several changes/improvements 20111226 14:42:41< Espreon> All right. 20111226 14:47:00< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52374 /website/start/1.10/template.html: updated and modified the 1.10 announcement (including going away from 80chars per line) 20111226 14:47:02< Ivanovic> committed an update 20111226 14:51:58< Espreon> ... Must... fix... apostrophes... 20111226 14:56:50< Espreon> Oh, crap. 20111226 14:56:53< CIA-85> espreon * r52375 /website/ (gettext.wesnoth.org/index.extra.php start/1.10/template.html): A blessing from the apostrophe faerie... 20111226 14:58:14< CIA-85> espreon * r52376 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/index.extra.php: Reverted an unintentional effect of the previous revision. 20111226 15:00:32< Espreon> ... I hate editing. 20111226 15:00:38< Espreon> Oh well... 20111226 15:02:45-!- Gambit [~gambit@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 15:05:54< Espreon> "The first batch of standing animations have arrived" ... LOL, wut? 20111226 15:06:11< Gambit> Shut up >_> 20111226 15:06:22< Espreon> So many "Besides this"... 20111226 15:06:25< Espreon> It's killing me! 20111226 15:06:31< Espreon> Gambit: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? 20111226 15:06:35< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52377 /website/start/1.10/ (images/start-1-full.jpg images/start-1.jpg template.html): replace the whiteboard screenshot with a screenshot from DW using the whiteboard (the old one was a little outdated, too) 20111226 15:06:44< Ivanovic> Espreon: some of those are from me fixing the old, not so nice, style 20111226 15:06:54< Espreon> I still think it's atrocious. 20111226 15:07:21< Gambit> Espreon: it's obviously not finished... 20111226 15:07:25< Espreon> This is why I hate getting involved with writing... I eventually want to just rewrite EVERYTHING... 20111226 15:07:52< Ivanovic> there are exactly two "besides" in this text 20111226 15:08:15< Ivanovic> Espreon: then do so, but please do it *fast* since, yeah, 1.10 is getting closer and translators need some time with the text, too 20111226 15:08:20 * Espreon cries 20111226 15:09:23-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@h145-169.pool46-249.dyn.tolna.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 15:09:48< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52378 /website/start/1.10/template.html: tiny improvement 20111226 15:09:50< Ivanovic> svn up again 20111226 15:10:08< Espreon> I will eat you if there be a conflict. 20111226 15:10:12< Gambit> Is everything in? 20111226 15:10:15< Ivanovic> Gambit: do you know anything more to add? 20111226 15:10:30< Espreon> Good. 20111226 15:10:55< Gambit> No, but I don't think I know everything either. 20111226 15:11:06< CIA-85> espreon * r52379 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Various random improvements before I go on a rewrite rampage... 20111226 15:11:11< Ivanovic> Gambit: no one says that this list has to be complete 20111226 15:11:21< Ivanovic> it should at least point out some major improvements 20111226 15:11:44< Espreon> Well, we got two (technically three) translations. 20111226 15:13:16< Ivanovic> irish and new english? 20111226 15:13:42< Espreon> I wish it were New English. 20111226 15:14:12< Espreon> Ivanovic: But yeah, Irish and Old English. 20111226 15:15:22< Espreon> Yeah, I think I'll just wait for all the content to be there before I go on with my little rampage. 20111226 15:16:16< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52380 /website/start/1.10/template.html: add a paragraph about translations 20111226 15:16:30< Ivanovic> Espreon: how to mention your rampage regarding "canon style"? 20111226 15:18:31< Ivanovic> Aeth, AI0867, boucman, crimson_penguin, elias, fendrin, happygrue_, loonycyborg, Rhonda, shadowmaster, Soliton, everybody else: do you know anything else missing in the 1.10 release announcement (draft)? 20111226 15:18:36< Ivanovic> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/website/start/1.10/template.html 20111226 15:18:47< Espreon> "A ferocious beast from times past hath arisen to cleanse this game of all the icky styling issues ..." 20111226 15:19:01< Espreon> Start with something like that.™ 20111226 15:19:14< Ivanovic> Espreon: my changes are done for the moment, i'll leave this one to you! 20111226 15:19:35< Espreon> Damn it! 20111226 15:20:50< happygrue_> Ivanovic: looks great! 20111226 15:20:57< Espreon> Sigh. 20111226 15:22:09< AI0867> Espreon: that'd work for one of the three files 20111226 15:27:39< Ivanovic> okay, i also sent a reminder to wesnoth-dev 20111226 15:27:43< Ivanovic> (the ml that is) 20111226 15:32:09< CIA-85> ai0867 * r52381 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/ (functions.php index.extra.php index.lang.php index.php): Correctly infer wescamp branch version 20111226 15:39:49< boucman> looks good 20111226 15:47:14-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@p3EE22505.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 15:48:58-!- anonymissimus [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-078-042-163-105.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 15:49:35-!- horon [~horon@nttkyo316066.tkyo.nt.ngn2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20111226 15:49:46< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: about my opinion on 1.9 being more stable than 1.8; this is true for the wml and lua engine I think 20111226 15:50:23< anonymissimus> many whiteboard bug reports should yet come though I think 20111226 15:50:54< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: which is why i think that we can go into rc state rather soon 20111226 15:51:24< anonymissimus> (since unfortunately the whiteboard is, forgive me, basically untested in networked mutiplayer) 20111226 15:51:54< Ivanovic> anyway, i am afk for some hours, cu 20111226 15:59:57-!- atomicbomb [~quassel@61.94.195.208] has quit [Quit: sudo killall atomicbomb] 20111226 16:05:10< Espreon> AI0867: Sigh, still broken. Now we get stuff like this: https://raw.github.com/wescamp/Nightmares_of_Meloen-/master/po/nl.po 20111226 16:10:31< AI0867> yeah, I noticed, but tgen I had to leave 20111226 16:10:43< AI0867> I'm in a car now 20111226 16:11:03< Espreon> AI0867: When will you be out of the car? 20111226 16:11:31< AI0867> when I have dinner 20111226 16:12:47< Espreon> Sigh, all right. 20111226 16:16:01< Espreon> fendrin: " In Legend of Wesmere, several scenarios were reworked to include objective changes" ... more dynamic gameplay, perhaps? 20111226 16:18:37-!- Vorpal [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 16:23:09< CIA-85> ai0867 * r52382 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/functions.php: Include the file containing the variables you're referencing 20111226 16:23:23< AI0867> coding on a phone is not ideal 20111226 16:23:36< Espreon> Sounds painful. 20111226 16:23:51-!- csarmi [csarmi@2E6B8436.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 16:36:24< Espreon> AI0867: Hmmm, it's still not working. Perhaps the wescamp version variables need to be declared as global. 20111226 16:38:51-!- Crendgrim [~crend@77-22-113-8-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 16:38:51-!- Crendgrim [~crend@77-22-113-8-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20111226 16:46:45-!- Blueblaze2 [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 16:46:45-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111226 16:46:46-!- Blueblaze2 is now known as Blueblaze 20111226 16:51:29-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@p3EE22505.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20111226 16:59:26-!- timotei [~timotei@188.24.5.254] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 16:59:26-!- timotei [~timotei@188.24.5.254] has quit [Changing host] 20111226 16:59:26-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 17:04:32-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@p3EE25F38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 17:22:57-!- PolarPanda [~quassel@unaffiliated/peterporty] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 17:25:44-!- Blueblaze2 [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 17:25:44-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111226 17:25:45-!- Blueblaze2 is now known as Blueblaze 20111226 17:42:25-!- Octalot [~noct@host86-144-181-188.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 20111226 17:51:18< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Yes, my translation ;) 20111226 17:51:18-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111226 17:51:23-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 17:51:51< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Do you want to push 1.10 this year still? 20111226 18:01:21-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 18:02:42-!- oldtopman [~oldtopman@71-33-144-66.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 18:02:42-!- oldtopman [~oldtopman@71-33-144-66.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 20111226 18:02:42-!- oldtopman [~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 18:26:09-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111226 18:26:23-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 18:51:25< shadowm_laptop> these random editor crashes are getting on my nerves 20111226 18:54:09< shadowm_laptop> Ivanovic, mordante: how about *not* releasing new versions until bugs like https://gna.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=18928 are fixed? 20111226 18:54:49 * Espreon agrees with shadowm_laptop 20111226 18:54:55< shadowm_laptop> that's one of the more exotic bugs with the editor; I believe there's another one filed somewhere showing that repeated uses of the fill tool will cause a lock-up 20111226 18:55:19-!- [Relic] [~relic@99-58-54-211.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 18:55:26< shadowm_laptop> I save after pretty much every single edit to not lose my work, but you can't expect or require everyone to do the same... 20111226 18:56:14< shadowm_laptop> I wish gna could give me a list of items on which I have commented 20111226 19:03:51< shadowm_laptop> ah, it's not a separate bug. I commented on the same bug: https://gna.org/bugs/?18928#comment4 20111226 19:04:17< shadowm_laptop> mordante: maybe I should assign it to you so you don't forget to check it? 20111226 19:04:59< shadowm_laptop> (although I personally prefer not assigning bugs until I'm sure the asignee has taken a look and decided they can handle it) 20111226 19:08:24-!- Blueblaze2 [~Blueblaze@76.202.21.0] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 19:08:24-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111226 19:08:24-!- Blueblaze2 is now known as Blueblaze 20111226 19:14:48< fendrin> Ivanovic: the new terrain graphics are not mentioned. 20111226 19:15:33 * shadowm_laptop will take a look at the release announcement after making a map. 20111226 19:15:39< shadowm_laptop> *announcement draft 20111226 19:31:32-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 19:41:48-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20111226 19:48:49-!- Octalot [~noct@host86-144-181-188.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 19:54:55-!- alink [~alink@wesnoth/developer/alink] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 19:56:03< Octalot> Are there stats on how many people are still using 1.8.5 on the MP server? 20111226 19:59:23-!- Blueblaze2 [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 19:59:23-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@76.202.21.0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111226 19:59:23-!- Blueblaze2 is now known as Blueblaze 20111226 20:04:56< Ivanovic> fendrin: the terrain graphics are mentioned 20111226 20:05:27< Ivanovic> "The list of improvements this time includes beautiful new terrain art(...)" 20111226 20:06:22< shadowm_laptop> the whiteboard screenshot is ugly because of the non-AA arrows 20111226 20:07:16< Ivanovic> ??? 20111226 20:07:32< Ivanovic> those are the arrows shipped at the moment 20111226 20:07:37< shadowm_laptop> yes, and they are ugly 20111226 20:07:53< Ivanovic> feel free to update the grpahics o improve stuff! 20111226 20:08:06< shadowm_laptop> I'm not interested in the whiteboard in general 20111226 20:08:16< shadowm_laptop> also, I don't believe the add-ons removal dialog changes should be in the announcement. That's a very minor UI change and I could hardly call it an improvement 20111226 20:08:39< shadowm_laptop> perhaps silene and alink's memory/performance optimizations could deserve a mention instead 20111226 20:09:14< shadowm_laptop> (WML parsing/caching and graphics rendering/caching optimizations, respectively) 20111226 20:09:24< alink> it depends I didn't compare it with 1.8 yet 20111226 20:09:42< Ivanovic> shadowm_laptop: so "we are not increasing memory usage and cpu usage as much as usual"? 20111226 20:09:45< alink> ah yes in early 1.9 we did nice thing for WML parsing/caching 20111226 20:09:48< Ivanovic> sounds like a bad line to add... 20111226 20:10:04< Ivanovic> since especially with animated terrains we now use significantly more cpu power! 20111226 20:10:20< alink> OtOH it was to compensate new weight from WML terrain macros, not sure if we overcompensate or not 20111226 20:10:31< shadowm_laptop> animated terrains can be disabled 20111226 20:10:39< Ivanovic> yes, they can, but the default is on 20111226 20:10:43-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20111226 20:10:49< Ivanovic> i prefer to mention what is default in such a release note 20111226 20:10:57< Ivanovic> as well as what changed since the last stable series 20111226 20:12:07< alink> mmh, with same amount of terrain animation, 1.10 should be a bit faster, but since we have much more animations... 20111226 20:12:12< Ivanovic> shadowm_laptop: and assigning bug reports is always a good idea since otherwise it is *very* easy to miss a report 20111226 20:12:37< shadowm_laptop> I already explained my position on assigning bugs without asking. 20111226 20:12:45< Ivanovic> alink: with the same "graphical quality" as 1.8 the current code would use less memory and cpu time, that is correct 20111226 20:13:02< shadowm_laptop> anyway, I guess I can't think of anything else to add. In all honesty, 1.9.x was rather boring despite the overly long development cycle. 20111226 20:13:35< shadowm_laptop> I am rather unhappy about the state of the art direction as well. 20111226 20:14:02< shadowm_laptop> and GUI2. 20111226 20:14:04< alink> shadowm_laptop: bad mood ? 20111226 20:14:19< shadowm_laptop> no, I've been complaining for months already ;) 20111226 20:14:40< shadowm_laptop> I do enjoy the WML changes, but nobody's going to be interested in those in an announcement. 20111226 20:15:27-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-213-164-110-84.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 20:15:27-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-213-164-110-84.vinita.lt] has quit [Changing host] 20111226 20:15:27-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 20:15:28< alink> well I think we should target the note to general happy fans, not just grumpy shadowm_laptop ;p 20111226 20:16:46< alink> ah sry, I see that grumpy has a childish connotation that I was not aware of 20111226 20:17:00< shadowm_laptop> actually, "For Content Developers" could refer to the many new/improved WML actions and Lua functions 20111226 20:18:04< shadowm_laptop> I'm too lazy to write text for the announcement (I've been writing loads of text lately already) so perhaps someone else could think of something :p 20111226 20:19:31< alink> Ivanovic: Should I add something about the new lighting system, it's not very used in mainline, but I think that where it does (like in Elensefar cave) it's a nice improvement. 20111226 20:20:30< Ivanovic> alink: yeah, sounds nice 20111226 20:21:00< shadowm_laptop> although it still requires enabling a non-default preferences option 20111226 20:21:07-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111226 20:21:17< alink> shadowm_laptop: you mean default is off ? 20111226 20:21:40< alink> then yes now it should be 'on' by default 20111226 20:21:50< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: ... No, I'm rewriting it... 20111226 20:21:52-!- timotei [~timotei@188.24.5.254] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 20:21:54< Espreon> Please, don't. 20111226 20:21:55-!- timotei [~timotei@188.24.5.254] has quit [Changing host] 20111226 20:21:55-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 20:22:01< Espreon> And I'm actually almost done. 20111226 20:22:08< shadowm_laptop> alink: The tooltip also has the "(uses more memory)" warning that was in the original commit 20111226 20:22:24-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111226 20:22:58< shadowm_laptop> Espreon: don't what? 20111226 20:23:11< alink> ok, it's optimized enough now, especially since usual cases are quite lightweight 20111226 20:23:28< alink> I will change the default then 20111226 20:23:30-!- timotei [~timotei@188.24.5.254] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 20:23:30-!- timotei [~timotei@188.24.5.254] has quit [Changing host] 20111226 20:23:31-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 20:24:08< shadowm_laptop> is it necessary to change the default instead of just removing the option entirely and forcing those code paths for those who had it previously disabled? 20111226 20:24:09< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: ... do anything major with the announcement. 20111226 20:24:10-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111226 20:24:42< shadowm_laptop> Espreon: if you paid attention you'd have noticed the part were I stated my lack of interest in editing the announcement by myself :) 20111226 20:24:52< Espreon> Ah, OK. 20111226 20:25:45< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52383 /trunk/data/core/terrain.cfg: Add Dark Flagstones terrain to the Flat terrains group 20111226 20:26:38-!- csarmi [csarmi@2E6B8436.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20111226 20:26:54-!- csarmi [csarmi@2E6B8436.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 20:27:13< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: Thank you for that commit. 20111226 20:27:21< alink> shadowm_laptop: mmh, I am not sure, maybe better keep the option. But I can force users to reset to a new default by changing its internal name. 20111226 20:27:24< Espreon> Not having it in that group was a bit annoying. 20111226 20:27:56< Espreon> Ivanovic: Must the images be jpegs? 20111226 20:28:17< Ivanovic> Espreon: they should be to conserve some space 20111226 20:28:55-!- timotei [~timotei@188.24.5.254] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 20:28:55-!- timotei [~timotei@188.24.5.254] has quit [Changing host] 20111226 20:28:55-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 20:29:39< Espreon> Ivanovic: I'd only be adding an 8.0K (according to du) png. 20111226 20:29:53< Ivanovic> okay, that is fine 20111226 20:30:00< Espreon> All right. 20111226 20:32:53< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52384 /trunk/data/core/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add a separate icon for the non-village Windmill 20111226 20:36:05< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52385 /trunk/data/core/terrain.cfg: 20111226 20:36:05< CIA-85> Minor changes to terrain name/editor_name pairs 20111226 20:36:06< CIA-85> * Windmill village's name changed to Village to match other villages 20111226 20:36:06< CIA-85> * Windmill's name removed and kept as its editor_name 20111226 20:36:06< CIA-85> * Fence's name removed and kept as its editor_name 20111226 20:40:23< anonymissimus> alink: have a look at https://gna.org/bugs/?19213 pls 20111226 20:40:43 * anonymissimus wants to get that fixed before a next release 20111226 20:41:11< alink> anonymissimus: ok, will do 20111226 20:42:55< shadowm_laptop> I think I have discovered the problem with the editor palette and transparent images 20111226 20:48:53< shadowmaster> the editor palette appears to be the sloppiest GUI1 widget yet 20111226 20:49:46< Ivanovic> that can easily be the case 20111226 20:50:50< shadowmaster> in particular, it doesn't call bg_restore() at the most convenient time for some reason 20111226 20:51:24< shadowmaster> yay, fixed it 20111226 20:52:18< Ivanovic> great! 20111226 20:53:59-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20111226 20:55:14-!- Blueblaze2 [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 20:55:15-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-0.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111226 20:55:15-!- Blueblaze2 is now known as Blueblaze 20111226 20:55:51< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52386 /trunk/ (changelog src/editor/editor_palettes.cpp): 20111226 20:55:51< CIA-85> editor: Fix overpainting of transparent tile icons on the editor palettes 20111226 20:55:51< CIA-85> Adds a missing gui::widget::bg_restore() call done for each single icon 20111226 20:55:51< CIA-85> to avoid painting over and over again onto already blitted icons. Now 20111226 20:55:51< CIA-85> icons (and their selection rectangles) are blitted on top of the 20111226 20:55:51< CIA-85> original sidebar background. 20111226 20:59:13-!- Upth [~ogmar@108-85-91-228.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 20:59:13-!- Upth is now known as Upthorn 20111226 21:08:03< shadowmaster> it seems the renderer optimizations improved the situation regarding bug https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?17997 (which I found just now). It's much faster to zoom in/out a map on 1..13+svn than it is on 1.9.8 20111226 21:08:31< shadowmaster> still slow, but at least it's a faster :p 20111226 21:08:47< shadowmaster> s/a // 20111226 21:10:04-!- stikonas [~gentoo@84.32.245.15] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 21:10:05-!- stikonas [~gentoo@84.32.245.15] has quit [Changing host] 20111226 21:10:05-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 21:11:50< alink> shadowmaster: probably, IIRC my timing tests indicated at least 3x faster in-game. 20111226 21:12:16< anonymissimus> yes I also feel its faster 20111226 21:12:33< anonymissimus> i thought that it's a win only issue ? 20111226 21:12:39< alink> but depens of what you have on screen (esp. if varied), and thus depens of screen size, map, eyc.. 20111226 21:13:10< anonymissimus> at least I feel that performance on windows is always somewhat worse than the linux builts 20111226 21:13:17< alink> anonymissimus: maybe there is another platform specific problem, buy at least we now do much less opertations 20111226 21:13:33< alink> *SDL operations 20111226 21:17:24-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@ppp59-167-222-56.qld.adsl.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20111226 21:22:32< shadowmaster> By the way, if anyone has a reliable method to reproduce the (for some reason never reported) random editor palette shrinking bug, I'd really approciate to hear of it. 20111226 21:25:50-!- EdB [~edb@tss37-1-89-82-194-231.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 21:25:59< shadowmaster> I know the bug exist because it happens to me all the time while editing maps, but for some reason whenever I decide to diagnose it I can't reproduce it. 20111226 21:26:02< shadowmaster> *exists 20111226 21:28:10-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20111226 21:28:32-!- EdB [~edb@tss37-1-89-82-194-231.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 20111226 21:29:56< shadowmaster> there it is again, just when I stopped paying attention ¬_¬ 20111226 21:32:50< shadowmaster> oh, I think I got it 20111226 21:33:02< shadowmaster> excellent 20111226 21:43:28< shadowmaster> finally: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19218 20111226 21:49:56< Soliton> Octalot: wesnothd.wesnoth.org 20111226 21:51:47-!- noy [~Noy@S0106602ad0727b65.vw.shawcable.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 21:51:55-!- noy [~Noy@S0106602ad0727b65.vw.shawcable.net] has quit [Changing host] 20111226 21:51:55-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 22:01:34< CIA-85> espreon * r52387 /website/start/1.10/ (images/start-5.png template.html): Rewrote most of the announcement. 20111226 22:01:42< CIA-85> espreon * r52388 /website/start/1.10/images/ (start-4-full.jpg start-4.jpg): Ran umcpropfix. 20111226 22:02:51< Espreon> Note that I tried to be as inclusive as possible, so... blargh. 20111226 22:04:08< shadowmaster> blargh? 20111226 22:04:58< Espreon> ... therefore some areas might be a bit cheesy. 20111226 22:06:08< alink> "feature proper UTF-8 characters, thus you can now enjoy consistent capitalization and formatting, real apostrophes, em dashes, minus signs, and so forth." 20111226 22:06:18< alink> Espreon: I think maybe you overestimate how normal people "enjoy" this ;-p 20111226 22:06:32< Espreon> alink: Shaddap. 20111226 22:06:39< shadowmaster> yeah, that 's absurd 20111226 22:07:01< shadowmaster> why do you get to promote your pedantry while I don't get to bra about UI consistency and Title Case? 20111226 22:07:04< shadowmaster> er, brag 20111226 22:07:45< Espreon> shadowmaster: No, feel free to brag about that. 20111226 22:07:58-!- Sytyi [~Sytyi@83-80-112-92.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 22:07:59< Espreon> I think your work on that was important. 20111226 22:08:15< Espreon> I did mention, though. 20111226 22:08:18< Espreon> *mention it 20111226 22:08:38< Espreon> Promotion of my pedantry might have drowned it out, though. 20111226 22:08:46< Espreon> shadowmaster: Feel free to scream louder, though. 20111226 22:09:09-!- kahoot [~kahootbir@c-71-236-48-27.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20111226 22:09:58< alink> Espreon: what I mean is that usual game players don't know or don't care about the details of UTF-8 and em dashes, so maybe rephrase this in less technical terms 20111226 22:09:59< Espreon> Hmmm... maybe I should mention that custom attack types and ranges can be translated now. 20111226 22:12:09< shadowmaster> "Substantial improvements have been made in regards to UI design, typography and consistency." Just a passing metntion should be enough, really. 20111226 22:12:25< shadowmaster> Although I'm not sure I can includ th e titlescreen there. The lack of blurring is awful. 20111226 22:12:53< Espreon> shadowmaster: Fair enough. 20111226 22:13:38< Gambit> Espreon: why'd you un-itilicize the titles of the new maps? 20111226 22:14:16< Espreon> Gambit: ... Because they don't deserve to be italicized? That is, they're not major enough to be italicized. 20111226 22:14:26< shadowmaster> un-italicize 20111226 22:14:31< shadowmaster> they are titles, hence they should be italicized, shouldn't they? 20111226 22:14:36< Gambit> Yes 20111226 22:14:38< CIA-85> espreon * r52389 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Simplified the section on typography and stuff... 20111226 22:14:48< Espreon> shadowmaster: Do we italicize the titles of normal poems? No. 20111226 22:14:57< Espreon> Just because it's a title doesn't mean it gets italicized. 20111226 22:15:10< Espreon> Things like movies and movies and books get italicized. 20111226 22:15:19< Espreon> *movies and books get 20111226 22:15:19< Gambit> "advance preference" -> "advanced preference" 20111226 22:15:25< shadowmaster> Since when don't poem titles count? 20111226 22:15:36< Espreon> shadowmaster: Those get wrapped in quotes unless they're epic poems. 20111226 22:15:56< Gambit> Looks like in 1.8, scenario titles were quoted 20111226 22:15:59< shadowmaster> I think you are discriminating against the Crazy MP People. 20111226 22:16:04< shadowmaster> :) 20111226 22:16:07< Gambit> But having that many quoting and unquoting in a row would look weird 20111226 22:16:29< CIA-85> espreon * r52390 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Fixed a typo. 20111226 22:16:35< Gambit> Any new music in 1.10? 20111226 22:16:42< Espreon> Hmmm, ah yes. 20111226 22:16:55< Espreon> Gambit: ... Really now? 20111226 22:17:54< Espreon> If they deserve to be treated specially, they get wrapped in quotes. 20111226 22:17:56< Gambit> You need to make the names stand out somehow. They're special Wesnothy... term... things 20111226 22:18:24< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: love your report about the editor palette 20111226 22:18:32< Gambit> In 1.4 they were italicized 20111226 22:18:36< Gambit> And it was a *huge* list 20111226 22:18:37< Espreon> Gambit: Well, too bad. 20111226 22:18:54< shadowmaster> Gambit: don't worry, I'll edit it for you 20111226 22:18:59< anonymissimus> yes I always noticed it but the bug always seemed to hard to grasp for a report :) 20111226 22:19:11< Espreon> I say unless they're epic standalones, they shouldn't get italicized. 20111226 22:19:27< Gambit> shadowmaster: So do you think you can fix your reported bug in time for 1.10? 20111226 22:19:29< Gambit> You'll be a hero 20111226 22:19:31< Gambit> :P 20111226 22:19:39< shadowmaster> ... 20111226 22:20:30< Gambit> Everyone who frequently uses the editor will fly to Chile and lift you up on their shoulders. 20111226 22:20:33< shadowmaster> There are three kinds of bugs for me: bugs that affect me, bugs that affect most users, and bugs that affect a minority. 20111226 22:20:55< anonymissimus> at least this report now is in and we can say hey, it needs to be fixed pre-1.19 20111226 22:20:58< shadowmaster> The first kind takes priority, especially if it gets in my way while working on my campaign. 20111226 22:21:02< anonymissimus> 1.10 20111226 22:22:35-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@ppp59-167-222-56.qld.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20111226 22:23:09< CIA-85> grickit * r52391 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Fix awkward language 20111226 22:24:03< CIA-85> grickit * r52392 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Forgot this was a webpage for a moment... 20111226 22:24:16 * Gambit scans page for any other special symbols 20111226 22:24:51< Gambit> Espreon: in the multiplayer section, what kind of dash should be there? 20111226 22:24:56< Gambit> After the list of maps? 20111226 22:25:39< Espreon> Gambit: Em dash. 20111226 22:26:09< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52393 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Fix doctype declaration 20111226 22:27:06< Gambit> shadowmaster: those special curly single quotes that you make us use in stickies; is there an html escape sequence for them? 20111226 22:27:23< shadowmaster> I don't know but you don't need it. 20111226 22:27:27< Gambit> k 20111226 22:27:55< CIA-85> grickit * r52394 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Escape another em dash 20111226 22:28:03< shadowmaster> Those who still use browsers or operating systems that can't parse UTF-8 or use Unicode glyphs deserve to be shot in the head. 20111226 22:28:11< shadowmaster> You don't need to do that with the em dashes either. 20111226 22:28:20< Gambit> There's a lot of Wesnoth players who need shot in the head. 20111226 22:28:33< shadowmaster> Their problem. 20111226 22:28:44< shadowmaster> Don't fix what isn't broken. 20111226 22:29:09< shadowmaster> It passes validation (except for the empty