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20111227 00:28:08< Octalot> Soliton: thanks, but I think I'm missing something there; I can't find the figures for 1.8.5 vs 1.8.6 on that site.  Have got an approximate answer from the replays on the replay server.
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20111227 00:29:31< Soliton> there are no such figures on that site.
20111227 00:30:58< shadowmaster> Espreon: I'd advise against including the pointer in screenshots in general.
20111227 00:31:19< _jay> Am I allowed to print images from wesnoth? I would like them for a reference library
20111227 00:32:20< Soliton> Octalot: what time frame do you want the stats for?
20111227 00:32:35< _jay> *I've looked over the gpl stuff already, it's blurry
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20111227 00:42:08< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52410 /trunk/changelog: Forgot to add a bug number
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20111227 00:46:27< Soliton> Octalot: stats for this year: http://yourpaste.net/9978
20111227 00:47:35< shadowmaster> mordante: re https://gna.org/bugs/?19210 , do we really need that much information at a user-visible log level for a non-issue, or is this considered an issue? (which would lead to some string thawing, I guess9
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20111227 00:49:47-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: String/feature-freeze active for trunk | 158 bugs, 328 feature requests, 13 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20111227 00:49:47< Soliton> the descriptions should not be considered as containing markup or be run through some escaping function.
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20111227 00:59:41< shadowmaster> It'd seem preventing that would require some rather intrusive interface changes to a few structs and functions.
20111227 01:02:07< shadowmaster> Okay, changing tooltips.hpp leads to rebuilding the AI code. This is ridiculous.
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20111227 01:05:22< Octalot> Soliton: thanks, but I've got some data now.  It was for the discussion about add-on development in http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=516862#p516862 .
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20111227 01:19:13< CIA-85> ai0867 * r52411 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/ (functions.php index.extra.php index.lang.php index.php): Move all logic back into the index files
20111227 01:20:20< shadowmaster> mordante, Soliton: perhaps one of you could review this patch? http://shadowm.rewound.net/f/no_markup_in_mp_map_descriptions.patch
20111227 01:22:12< shadowmaster> AI0867: what's the status of https://gna.org/bugs/?19217 ? (in particular, whether it makes sense to let it live in the bug tracker in the first place)
20111227 01:24:09< shadowmaster> yeah, the links are broken and I get targets like "https://raw.github.com/wescamp/After_the_Storm-/master/po/en_GB.po" 
20111227 01:29:52< AI0867>  shadowmaster should be fixed now
20111227 01:30:30< AI0867> that is, after the cronjob's next run
20111227 01:31:45< shadowmaster> yeah, it is now, thanks
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20111227 01:56:46< anonymissimus> aliink: ok thanks...hm elvish_hunter told me that be behavior had changed...and TBH I believe him more than you...but anyway
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20111227 01:59:11< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: re bug #14011; well the workaround works for me
20111227 01:59:39< anonymissimus> but it's not ideal, that is, I can't click but need to enter manually the path
20111227 02:00:21< anonymissimus> and I don't find the bug important
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20111227 02:00:56< anonymissimus> that it, I never hit it so far personally ;)
20111227 02:01:23< shadowmaster> I was working on a new dialog a few months ago, but I gave up after encountering some problems with the GUI2 listbox implementation. The goal was to eventually rework the dialog to allow bookmarking paths.
20111227 02:01:38< shadowmaster> *new file dialog
20111227 02:02:27< shadowmaster> And then I simply moved on to more exciting things with immediate results.
20111227 02:03:01< anonymissimus> the default starting directory is always userdata/editor/maps
20111227 02:03:16< shadowmaster> I'm perfectly aware of that.
20111227 02:03:18< anonymissimus> so I never browse to my addon's maps to edit them directly
20111227 02:03:41< anonymissimus> but instead copy the map in the file editor, thats more convenient
20111227 02:04:02< shadowmaster> I have symbolic links in that directory for easy access without leaving the game.
20111227 02:04:27< shadowmaster> I believe NTFS supports hard links to directories (!?), so...
20111227 02:04:32 * anonymissimus has no clue about symbolic links
20111227 02:04:54 * anonymissimus never uses NTFS
20111227 02:05:28< shadowmaster> I really doubt it. Windows Vista and 7 refuse to install on FAT32 filesystems IIRC.
20111227 02:06:42< anonymissimus> anyway, I wouldn't mind closing it as won't fix and blame the OS since windows doesn't allow mounting partitions in varying directories
20111227 02:07:25< shadowmaster> That's actually not correct. It is possible to mount partitions on NTFS directories.
20111227 02:07:41< anonymissimus> that is on Linux the different partition is probably some subpath of / (didn't check)
20111227 02:08:26< shadowmaster> In fact, I resorted to that on my desktop computer when the GIMP kept complaining about the card reader drives. I ended up deassigning them drive letters and mounting them in a directory under C:\
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20111227 02:20:36< anonymissimus> alink; your fix implies that I would have assumed wrong meanings of the variables when I coded get_tim_of_day
20111227 02:21:15< anonymissimus> and looks dangerous, since you are changing the way a lua api function works, meaning it breaks compatibility for every addon using it
20111227 02:50:15< anonymissimus> alink: hm ok may comparison test shows zero difference in behavior, seems E_H is mistaken
20111227 02:53:15< anonymissimus> perhaps the variableis named badly then; bonus_modified tricks one into believing that it is the tod benus taking illumintes into account, but if what you say is true it should better be named lighten_tod_image_by or something
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20111227 02:55:42< anonymissimus> anyway, my apologizes for assuming you were wrong XD
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20111227 03:26:19< alink> anonymissimus: np, and there is no compatibility problem since the error was in new code added only 5 weeks ago by E_H
20111227 03:27:17< alink> It was using an incorrect field and was thus quite useless (illumination instead of ToD bonus), so this is a true fix
20111227 03:28:06< alink> about something not very important (ToD effects of [harm_unit] where other bonus are still ignored I think)
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20111227 03:29:13< alink> the names are not perfect but not that bad either, and a quick grep show how to use them
20111227 03:29:43< alink> lawful_bonus= bonus given to lawful_bonus
20111227 03:30:04< alink> bonus_modified=how much this bonus is modified by illuminate stuff
20111227 03:30:30< alink> s/lawful_bonus/ lawful units 
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20111227 03:33:57< CIA-85> alink * r52412 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Mention new local ToD light feature
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20111227 05:10:20< CIA-85> espreon * r52413 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Reworded the section about local ToD lighting a bit.
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20111227 08:18:20< shadowmaster> fendrin: I believe shinobody meant making new posts as replies to the current thread, not posting a new thread
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20111227 11:23:03< cz1stf> Hi, I have a question about building wesnoth - how can i pass following autoconf options to the build with cmake? --prefix=$HOME/share/$WESNOTH_NAME --program-suffix=-1.8.$1 --bindir=$HOME/bin --with-preferences-dir=.$WESNOTH_NAME
20111227 11:24:41< Espreon> You could always use ccmake.
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20111227 11:27:21< cz1stf> ah, i see, didn't noticed the note at the end of the INSTALL file, I prefer to ue autoconf where possible and it's for the second time I need to use something else
20111227 11:27:52< Espreon> I see.
20111227 11:28:51< cz1stf> thanks for hint
20111227 11:29:11< Espreon> No prob.
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20111227 11:36:48< cz1stf> still i can't find how to change preferences directory, i need to use ~/.wesnoth-1.9.x for user data because i have installed multiple versions for testing
20111227 11:39:18< Espreon> Well, Wesnoth is conforming to xdg standards nowadays, thus the userdata dir is now ~/.local/share/wesnoth/<version>
20111227 11:40:06< Espreon> Also, CMake provides a PREFERENCES_DIR variable you can set.
20111227 11:40:59< Espreon> Ah, you want it separated by minor version too.
20111227 11:41:12< Espreon> Yeah, then you'll have to play with that variable.
20111227 11:41:13< cz1stf> hmm, now i see it, even i was reading the list of options like 5 times
20111227 11:42:39< cz1stf> thanks anyway, it's little confusing against autoconf
20111227 11:42:46< Espreon> No prob.
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20111227 12:52:53< Crab_> hi
20111227 12:56:00< Espreon> Crab_: Hello.
20111227 12:56:09< Espreon> How's everything?
20111227 12:56:22< Crab_> Just back from holidays
20111227 12:57:10< Espreon> I see.
20111227 12:57:18< Espreon> Crab_: Did you see that bug I reported?
20111227 12:57:27< Crab_> most probably, not yet
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20111227 12:57:32< Crab_> which one?
20111227 12:57:39< Crab_> I'll take a look at it
20111227 12:58:14< Crab_> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19018 ?
20111227 12:58:50< Espreon> Crab_: Yeah, that one.
20111227 12:59:01< Crab_> I'll investigate now
20111227 12:59:23< Espreon> All right. Thanks.
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20111227 13:06:25< Crab_> Espreon: '5. The game should hang permanently; press "End Turn" to seal the deal. ' - the game hangs after the end turn is pressed?
20111227 13:09:35< Espreon> Crab_: Press or no press, it hangs.
20111227 13:09:51< Espreon> Hitting End Turn just adds more to the weirdness, I think.
20111227 13:09:56< Crab_> ok
20111227 13:10:11< Crab_> AI aborts the game upon detecting an off-map unit in unit list
20111227 13:11:00< Crab_> I will check what's going on, it's something related to the gamestate modifications done by the engine before AI turn is started.
20111227 13:14:28< Crendgrim> woah, there are so many ways to modify the AI in Wesnoth... which one is the best one for simple tasks? LuaAI, as it will be maintained better in future versions?
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20111227 13:16:10< Crab_> Credgrim: luaAI for simple procedurial tasks
20111227 13:16:40< Crab_> Crendgrim: just configuring AI goals for tasks that can be expressed using standard goals
20111227 13:17:05< Crab_> and yes, LuaAI would be maintained and improved.
20111227 13:17:34< Crendgrim> well, and how to configure AI goals? Via [ai] or via some lua magic?
20111227 13:18:43< Crendgrim> Crab_: or is that the same thing, after all? I don't really understand the complexity yet
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20111227 13:19:21< Crab_> via [ai]
20111227 13:19:38< Crab_> well, AI consists of pieces. there are C++ pieces and there can be fai/lua pieces.
20111227 13:20:13< Crab_> [ai] allows to add pieces and configure existing ones (via aspects and goals)
20111227 13:20:36< Crab_> (in old-style config, name=value parameters and [target] tags are used for that)
20111227 13:20:43< Crendgrim> ah
20111227 13:21:10< Crendgrim> so, as long as I only "tell the pieces what to do", I don't have to care about the language they are implemented in?
20111227 13:21:15< Crab_> yes
20111227 13:21:20< Crendgrim> great, thanks!
20111227 13:21:21< Crab_> for example, 'strategic movement' phase of the AI turn heavily depends on the list of targets
20111227 13:21:44< Crab_> and the list of targets is populated each turn by taking the [goal] tags and checking what's inside them
20111227 13:21:45< Crendgrim> so I can learn AI modifications step by step.. that's nice.
20111227 13:22:06< Crab_> and combat phase heavily depends on the aggression aspect
20111227 13:22:47< Crendgrim> alright, thanks a lot :)
20111227 13:22:55< Crab_> I suggest learning two things first - how AI moves units when enemies are away and how AI selects attacks.
20111227 13:23:31< Crab_> the first can be controlled to some extent by goals, the second (attacks) is harder to control
20111227 13:24:23< Crab_> lua AI can be used to add some specific 'if the situation looks like this, do that' maneuvers, i.e. if you want specific behavior for a particular unit.
20111227 13:25:04< Crab_> i.e. it's possible to make a unit which moves from A to B, attacking enemies on the path, but without straying farther from B to attack some other unit
20111227 13:25:18< Crab_> or it's possible to make the AI attack unpoisoned units first, etc
20111227 13:25:39< Crab_> also, you can use the lua AI to explicitly tell the AI what to recruit
20111227 13:26:09< Crab_> i.e. if you want the AI to have several openings like 'if human has got X, recruit Y', it's possible
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20111227 13:28:31< Crab_> Espreon: reproduced
20111227 13:32:37< Espreon> Excellent.
20111227 13:34:36< Crab_> the game map is {terrain -> [], w-> 0, h-> 0} after the kill event
20111227 13:35:52< Crab_> (before, it's {terrain -> [............lots of stuff.......], w-> 23,  h-> 15} )
20111227 13:37:15< Crendgrim> Crab_: okay, then I'll start with movement goals. That sounds like the easiest (both to do and to understand) task.
20111227 13:37:46< Crab_> Crendgrim: ok. read the description of different goal types, also note how leader_value and village_value provide implicit goals
20111227 13:38:10< Crab_> Espreon: so the code, in desert_room_dispel , replaces the map with something funny
20111227 13:38:27< Crendgrim> I'll do.
20111227 13:38:57< Crab_> Espreon: is [replace_map] name={TWOTF_MAP_INCLUDE desert-room-dispelled.map}[/replace_map] doing the right thing?
20111227 13:41:54< Espreon> Let's see...
20111227 13:43:25< Espreon> Crab_: Hold on, I have to do something.
20111227 13:43:59< Crab_> ok
20111227 13:44:15< Espreon> Eh, screw that. I have too many local changes.
20111227 13:44:23< Espreon> Crab_: Is it being replaced with nothing?
20111227 13:44:37< Crab_> the map is empty after the die event.
20111227 13:44:40< Crab_> fully empty
20111227 13:44:48< Espreon> Yeah, "name=" should be "map=".
20111227 13:44:49< Crab_> so, the units are off-map
20111227 13:44:50< Espreon> Silly me.
20111227 13:47:16< Espreon> Honestly, I think [replace_map] should throw an error if it's fed an invalid or empty map.
20111227 13:47:40< Crab_> yes, I verified that it solves the issue
20111227 13:47:52< Crab_> yes, I agree that about the error part
20111227 13:47:58< Crab_> at least a warning is necessary
20111227 13:48:03< Espreon> Yeah.
20111227 13:48:21< Crab_> I'll commit this in a day or two, then
20111227 13:48:33< Crab_> I'll close the bug now, then
20111227 13:49:04< Crab_>  any more bugs to check?
20111227 13:49:13< Espreon> I don't think so.
20111227 13:49:34< Crab_> ok, great
20111227 13:50:21< Espreon> Crab_: What's the deal with all the shroud stuff?
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20111227 13:56:39< Crab_> nothing new, but the way to 'good solution' is more or less clear. so, in next -dev version, I'll attempt to do it all
20111227 14:01:00< Espreon> All right.
20111227 14:02:32< Crab_> Espreon: I'm thinking of making replace_map emit a warning for each off-map unit after replace
20111227 14:02:48< Crab_> Espreon: that'll deal with 'map too small' cases as well
20111227 14:02:57< Crab_> Espreon: what do you think of that?
20111227 14:06:20< Espreon> I thought there was already a warning for that.
20111227 14:06:42< Espreon> I'm pretty sure there is.
20111227 14:06:54< Crab_> for scroll-to-unit, there is
20111227 14:07:54< Crab_> for replace_map, there's a "replace_map: Cannot add a unit that would become off-map to the recall list"
20111227 14:09:19< Crab_> I'll check what happened there, maybe some warnings were present but ignored
20111227 14:10:48< Crab_> no, somehow there were no warnings
20111227 14:11:09< Crab_> (but they are in the code, strange!)
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20111227 18:14:04< CIA-85> anonymissimus * r52414 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/utils/low-macros.cfg: 
20111227 18:14:04< CIA-85> LoW: fix a typo affecting Anduilas' recallability
20111227 18:14:04< CIA-85> bug reported in the forums: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=35736&p=516900#p516900
20111227 18:28:33< anonymissimus> Crab_: fendrin was looking for you reharding the ai effects of the recruit/recall capabilities
20111227 18:28:50< anonymissimus> the stuff he added that is
20111227 18:29:55< anonymissimus> Crab_: and this guy from the forum, mattsc who uses the lua ai seems to have found some bugs 
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20111227 21:46:21< anonymissimus> AI0867: deprecation messages are incorrect
20111227 21:46:27< anonymissimus> AI0867: "Invalid WML found: 'C:/wesnoth/userdata/data/add-ons/Colosseum.cfg' is deprecated, use 'C:/wesnoth/userdata/data/add-ons/Colosseum.cfg/_main.cfg' instead."
20111227 21:46:36< anonymissimus> .cfg
20111227 21:48:31< Espreon> anonymissimus: Lies.
20111227 21:48:56< Espreon> Oh.
20111227 21:48:58< Espreon> I see.
20111227 21:49:02< Espreon> That's not good.
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20111227 21:51:31< anonymissimus> "dear anonymissimus, I deeply apologize..."
20111227 21:51:43< anonymissimus> :)
20111227 21:52:22< Espreon> Dear anonymissimus,
20111227 21:52:27< Espreon> I am not sorry.
20111227 21:52:29< Espreon>  
20111227 21:52:36< Espreon> With care,
20111227 21:52:38< Espreon> Espreon
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20111227 22:17:33< CIA-85> anonymissimus * r52415 /trunk/src/game_controller.cpp: fix error message for add-ons/Addon.cfg deprecation
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