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20111229 01:05:04< AI0867> boucman: if share_view is off, then allied whiteboard should simply be disabled
20111229 01:05:26< AI0867> as should team communication, probably
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20111229 10:58:32< Ivanovic> moin
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20111229 11:06:59< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52420 /website/start/1.10/ (index.en.html index.gl.html index.var po/gl.po): updated Galician announcement translation
20111229 11:12:57< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52421 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): updated Galician and Norwegian translation
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20111229 13:12:39< Octalot> I'm testing the 1.8 add-on SXCollection on 1.9.  I haven't isolated a reasonably-minimal chunk of test code yet, but believe I have a delayed-variable-substitution problem:
20111229 13:12:45< Octalot> It gives units new weapons, using an "[object][effect]apply_to=new_attack" block, where the damage and strikes are variables calculated at the time the unit gets the weapon.
20111229 13:12:46< Octalot> In 1.9, on level-up the variables in the effect block seem to get substituted again.  (non-AMLA level-up only)
20111229 13:12:48< Octalot> Bug in the add-on, or unexpected behaviour in the engine?
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20111229 13:16:03< Octalot> The original code is around line 5001 of SXCollection/macros/SXCmacros.cfg
20111229 13:18:14< Ivanovic> zookeeper: can you help Octalot?
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20111229 13:47:31< zookeeper> Ivanovic, Octalot, looking...
20111229 13:51:01< zookeeper> seems like unintended behaviour to me, but sapient would know better
20111229 13:51:29< Crendgrim> hum... is [select_unit] broken? :/
20111229 13:51:54< Octalot> zookeeper, Ivanovic: thanks
20111229 13:52:59< zookeeper> Octalot, where's that macro called from?
20111229 13:54:22< zookeeper> nevermind, found it
20111229 13:55:07< Octalot> It's started by a right-click menu item while standing on a specific hex, added by SXC_SHOP_MENU.
20111229 13:55:39< zookeeper> so... yeah, better ask sapient.
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20111229 14:06:06< Crendgrim> so, [select_unit] is broken, but it was broken from the very beginning
20111229 14:06:22< Crendgrim> in this case, should I better file in a new bug report, or leave a comment in the FR?
20111229 14:07:30< Crendgrim> (the FR is #16819 )
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20111229 14:08:33< Crendgrim> ah. It's even more broken than it's said in the commit message. I'll do a bug report then.
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20111229 14:18:05< Crendgrim> sent. #19224
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20111229 15:43:23< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52422 /trunk/po/wesnoth/fr.po: updated French translation
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20111229 16:25:18-!- lipk changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: Hi! Is there anybody there who can help me out a bit with c++?
20111229 16:26:16< lipk> sorry, didn't want to change topic...
20111229 16:26:22< Crendgrim> hahaha..
20111229 16:26:35-!- Crendgrim changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: String/feature-freeze active for trunk | 159 bugs, 328 feature requests, 13 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20111229 16:26:58< Crendgrim> lipk: thanks a lot for the openSUSE packages, btw :)
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20111229 16:27:34< lipk> you're welcome
20111229 16:28:28< Crendgrim> are you going to create them as well for other dev versions in the future?
20111229 16:29:49< lipk> sure. it's not a big deal, I just have to change the version number in some places and trigger rebuild.
20111229 16:32:33< Crendgrim> lipk: how complicated would it be to provide server packages as well?
20111229 16:35:57< lipk> the INSTALL files says that it should compiled with specifying a valid user & group on the host machine, and I'm a bit confused about that. Otherwise, it should be simple.
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20111229 17:11:49< Ivanovic> AI0867, crab_, fendrin, mordante: booking of the beds at 2go4 is done!
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20111229 19:20:37< Gambit> All this extra space on the left of [message] is really ugly: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20566997/images/wesnoth/messageoption.png
20111229 19:20:56< Gambit> mordante: Intentional or bug?
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20111229 21:23:50< anonymissimus> fendrin: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=35768&p=517161#p517161
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20111229 21:43:48< anonymissimus> wesbot: topic
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20111229 23:04:52< fendrin> anonymissimus: I see. What action do you propose?
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20111229 23:05:36< anonymissimus> fendrin: i wrote my proposal into the forum post...
20111229 23:06:00< anonymissimus> IMHO the whole object/effect code is wrong wml design
20111229 23:06:09< fendrin> agreed
20111229 23:06:38< anonymissimus> it is a parallel structure to direct variable modification which was supposedly made to simplify things
20111229 23:06:41< fendrin> But we can't fix it right now.
20111229 23:07:13< fendrin> I think your proposed workaround with default no is the best thing during the freeze phase.
20111229 23:07:27< anonymissimus> well the key I wrote would just control whether we use vconfig(cfg.get_parsed_config()) or directly the cfg
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20111229 23:08:17< anonymissimus> how could we fix it all all ? there are legal cases which need the substitution and others which don't
20111229 23:09:06< zookeeper> well, is it not a regression?
20111229 23:09:34< zookeeper> if $| can be used to mark delayed/recurring substitution then that could solve the problem, but i dunno if it can work like that.
20111229 23:09:41< anonymissimus> probably these filters were not supposed to be incorporated into effect wml at all, but the mistake was already made whenintroducing [obejct][effect][filter]
20111229 23:10:32< anonymissimus> $| can fix or workaround premature (too much/too eraly substitution)
20111229 23:10:48< anonymissimus> here we have the opposite case
20111229 23:11:26< Octalot> Found another side-effect: the effect.name becomes non-unique.   (And again allowing "delayed_variable_substitution=no" would solve that)
20111229 23:14:33< fendrin> zookeeper: $| can be used to make that happen. But it means that much wml code will need to get updated, and we are in a freeze phase where breaking wml compatibility is a nogo.
20111229 23:14:34< anonymissimus> zookeeper: yes, I consider it a regression
20111229 23:15:39< anonymissimus> so I suggest I add an [object] delayed_variable_substitution=yes|no key, with default no
20111229 23:16:08< anonymissimus> so that everyone relying on the previous behavior like Octalot's code should notice no difference
20111229 23:16:12< fendrin> anonymissimus: Yes, please do that. But keep an bug report open and on postponed so that we can get rid of the hack after 1.11 is open.
20111229 23:16:41< anonymissimus> but the ones who were adding the teleport ability with an [object] will then have to use delayed_...=yes
20111229 23:17:19< anonymissimus> fendrin: why do you call it a hack or how would you fix it ?
20111229 23:17:41< fendrin> anonymissimus: Yes, but the tag is new, it's the better way since we break much less code.
20111229 23:18:09< anonymissimus> and it won't be possible to have some effect which wants substitution and others which don't within the same object
20111229 23:18:18< fendrin> anonymissimus: I think switching to the $| syntax like zookeeper suggested is okay, since we can break wml compatibility in 1.11 again.
20111229 23:18:47< fendrin> And that will give us the different behavior in the same object feature.
20111229 23:18:58< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52423 /trunk/ (19 files in 18 dirs): updated Estonian translation
20111229 23:19:01< anonymissimus> requiring $| syntax of wml authors is a no-go for me
20111229 23:20:02< anonymissimus> which tag is new ? [teleport] ? is did already exist
20111229 23:20:11< anonymissimus> but it didnt have variables to substitute
20111229 23:20:19< fendrin> [tunnel] is the tag in question.
20111229 23:20:22< anonymissimus> and there the problem began
20111229 23:20:25< fendrin> It is pretty new.
20111229 23:21:07< fendrin> And not used often. Most wml authors will just use the macro and they are fine.
20111229 23:21:20< anonymissimus> (although [object][effect][filter] with $this_unit also can never have worked)
20111229 23:22:44< Octalot> From the peanut gallery, I'd prefer the default for delayed_variable_substitution to be the same in any element it appears in; easier to remember what the default is. The code that I posted is only now being tested on 1.9 (and the maintainer is still on 1.8), so I'm expecting it to have more breakages..
20111229 23:23:12< fendrin> I think that the $| will force wml coders to think about the issue. It is an important question to ask when my variables get substituted, so I think it will give them a help. It is didaktisch sinnvoll.
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20111229 23:24:58< anonymissimus> your suggestion was to modify the ability-adding code for the unit_types as well to make variable substitution
20111229 23:25:14< fendrin> Octalot: You are right. But we need to focus on making as much of the old code to work since we are in api freeze.
20111229 23:25:17< anonymissimus> there was already talk about it that it's no good idea
20111229 23:26:41< anonymissimus> first, variables should not be substituted while building the unit types, and second, it would require wml authors to rewrite their multiple event-driven unit_type abilities
20111229 23:26:54< anonymissimus> there are a ton of these in the unit eras
20111229 23:28:12< fendrin> anonymissimus: Okay, we can talk about these issues later. They are a nogo right now anyway. What do you want to do now?
20111229 23:28:45< anonymissimus> i want octalot to make a testcase so I can add the fix or workaround
20111229 23:30:16< fendrin> Cool, thanks. Just tell me when you want me to help somehow.
20111229 23:30:42< Octalot> ok, will take a while (probably tomorrow, uk time)
20111229 23:32:13< anonymissimus> Octalot: never mind, I make it mayself
20111229 23:32:57< Octalot> thanks
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20111229 23:43:54< anonymissimus> Octalot: do you have svn ?
20111229 23:44:29< anonymissimus> then you could check before next release, always great if we get that
20111229 23:54:44< Octalot> anonymissimus: yes, will do
20111229 23:57:36< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52424 /website/start/1.10/ (index.de.html index.en.html index.gl.html index.var po/de.po): updated German announcement translation
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