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20111230 01:35:12<+CIA-48> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r12614 /trunk/After_the_Storm/base-rc.cfg: AtS: make the darkest colour in the shaxthal_drone_surface palette lighter
20111230 02:12:37<+CIA-48> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r12615 /trunk/After_the_Storm/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
20111230 02:12:37<+CIA-48> wesnoth-umc-dev: AtS: updated Shaxthal baseframes according per the changes in r12614
20111230 02:12:37<+CIA-48> wesnoth-umc-dev:  * Protector Drone
20111230 02:12:37<+CIA-48> wesnoth-umc-dev:  * War Drone
20111230 02:12:37<+CIA-48> wesnoth-umc-dev:  * Assault Drone (with an additional complete reshading)
20111230 02:14:37<+CIA-48> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r12616 /trunk/After_the_Storm/ (images/units/shaxthal/larva.png units/shaxthal/Larva.cfg): AtS: removed unused Shaxthal Larva code and hideous placeholder baseframe
20111230 02:20:12<+CIA-48> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r12617 /trunk/After_the_Storm/ (3 files in 3 dirs): AtS: remove the Shaxthal Runner Drone surface variation and make the actual baseframe use the surface palette
20111230 02:35:05<+CIA-48> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r12618 /trunk/After_the_Storm/images/units/shaxthal/rayblade.png: AtS: update Shaxthal Rayblade baseframe
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20111230 05:16:10<+CIA-48> wesnoth-umc-dev: doofus-01 * r12619 /trunk/Tales_of_the_Setting_Sun/ (12 files in 4 dirs): some small fixes that I should not be committing all at once, but mostly related to weapons and fight at Kaoston
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20111230 05:49:48<+CIA-48> weldyn: Ignacio R. Morelle phpBB-3.0.9 * rfb5fc6d / antispam/index.php : Anti-Spam ACP: unflag OC Ban targets when banning is enabled - http://git.io/Rm2Aww
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20111230 08:29:09<+CIA-48> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r12620 /trunk/Invasion_from_the_Unknown/images/ (campaign-icon-episode2.png units/demons/shadow-courier.png): IftU: updated baseframe: Shadow Courier
20111230 08:32:26<+CIA-48> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r12621 /trunk/Invasion_from_the_Unknown/images/campaign-icon-episode1.png: IftU: new icon for E1
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20111230 15:32:52<+CIA-48> wesnoth-umc-dev: vultraz * r12623 /trunk/NX-RPG/ (4 files in 2 dirs): NX: imported the [remove_terrain_overlays] and short gate death event code from AtS
20111230 15:33:04< vultraz> *whistles* 
20111230 15:54:26<+CIA-48> wesnoth-umc-dev: vultraz * r12624 /trunk/NX-RPG/units/mechanical/Gate.cfg: NX: I copied/pasted the gate death event verbatim from AtS and forgot to change the finter conditions to match...STUPID
20111230 15:54:58< vultraz> filter*
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20111230 16:36:35< Gambit> I just had an idea that seems a bit... evil... to me, but I think I'll implement it anyway.
20111230 16:36:46< Gambit> If I make an add-on track how many times each person has played it
20111230 16:37:05< Gambit> And then when say... three people play together, it passes all those values to each other
20111230 16:37:28< Gambit> Then when they play with other people, it compares those values and updates if anyone has higher numbers for a certain individual.
20111230 16:37:45< Gambit> This way, every player will have a listing of every other player who has played this add-on and how many times.
20111230 16:38:04< Gambit> And so I can get a semi-accurate account of how many times the add-on has been played in total
20111230 16:40:02< Gambit> And because the real number will always be higher, I can brag "Played over X times!"
20111230 16:40:21< Gambit> And it survives people wiping out their user data directories, because the file lives on everyone's computers.
20111230 16:40:43< Gambit> So if I reset my persistence files, my number would just be redownloaded from another player next time I played.
20111230 16:41:44< Gambit> It's that last part; that viral sort of nature that makes it feel evil and like maybe I shouldn't.
20111230 16:42:37< Gambit> That same technology could be used for statistics tracking for a peer-2-peer leaderboard or meta game.
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20111230 16:43:47< Gambit> zookeeper: Penny for your thoughts on the above infodump.
20111230 16:43:52< Crendgrim> Gambit: bad.
20111230 16:43:57< Crendgrim> very bad.
20111230 16:44:43< Crendgrim> programs collecting information without allowing the user to turn this behavior off are ... well, bad.
20111230 16:47:24< Gambit> The idea of a peer-2-peer meta game excites me too now...
20111230 16:47:29< Gambit> Crendgrim: Ah right. Hadn't thought of that.
20111230 16:47:54< Gambit> In order to turn it off, I have to collect information about them though. xD
20111230 16:48:09< Gambit> So that if they turn it off after awhile, I can tell the other players to delete them.
20111230 16:48:16< Crendgrim> ... sigh.
20111230 16:49:12< Gambit> And the information isn't being collected and centrally stored.
20111230 16:49:17< Gambit> It's being disbursed.
20111230 16:49:29< Gambit> err dispersed
20111230 16:49:38< Crendgrim> I personally won't like anyone to know how much I play...
20111230 16:51:43< zookeeper> err, and then you can break the system by just changing the values in the local file to some silly large number and going online.
20111230 16:52:00< Gambit> Yeah...
20111230 16:53:05< Gambit> Which means also having a "last updated" date for each person and then a reasonable limit for "number of games one could play per day"
20111230 16:53:34< Crendgrim> ...
20111230 16:54:13< zookeeper> which then makes the whole system pretty pointless.
20111230 16:54:27< Gambit> Not really
20111230 16:54:44< Gambit> Only manual editing would come anywhere near the limit
20111230 16:54:55< zookeeper> aren't server statistics still collected about how many games are played with a particular era/scenario?
20111230 16:55:25< Gambit> Dunno
20111230 16:56:24< Gambit> I don't think
20111230 16:57:41< zookeeper> well, better to get that reactivated then than to make such a silly hack for one person's add-ons.
20111230 17:00:38< Gambit> This thing of tracking how many times people have played is only the first step though
20111230 17:00:54< Gambit> You could use this for any persistent information
20111230 17:01:12< Gambit> It's an alternative to letting add-ons store persistent variables on the server
20111230 17:01:27< Gambit> Which I suspect would be shot down.
20111230 17:02:17< Gambit> Oh wait, no it wouldn't be.
20111230 17:02:21< Gambit> Crab_ wants to do that.
20111230 17:02:30< Gambit> He's just too busy right now.
20111230 17:07:45< Gambit> Protecting the system from tampering is tough, but it doesn't have to be exact.
20111230 17:08:08< Gambit> Since this is data collected lots of times from lots of people.
20111230 17:08:32< Gambit> For the meta game stuff it'd just be "Has NPC X been killed 1000 times yet?"
20111230 17:08:45< Gambit> Something like that
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20111230 17:09:03< Gambit> So you just have limits on how much a certain value can jump over time.
20111230 17:10:21< Gambit> I'm assuming Lua has access to the time
20111230 17:12:00< Gambit> If not you could do something like an average of the number of turns played. And then you have a time for your meta world.
20111230 17:12:57< Gambit> A clock.
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20111230 18:17:43< zookeeper> Gambit, i don't see what you're talking about.
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20111230 18:18:41< Gambit> zookeeper: Hmm?
20111230 18:18:43< zookeeper> what use would it be to know whether NPC x has been killed 1000 times in games played on the server?
20111230 18:19:07< un214> I can come up with one
20111230 18:19:21< Gambit> You could have an RPG where the next area isn't unlocked for everyone until they have collectively done something
20111230 18:19:44< Gambit> An add-on that reacts to how people play it.
20111230 18:20:41< Gambit> You could do the Demon's Souls approach to multiplayer
20111230 18:21:03< Gambit> You could make an MMO if we could store variables on the server
20111230 18:21:05< Gambit> A real MMO
20111230 18:21:21< Gambit> Lots of games going at once since you can only have 9 players per game
20111230 18:21:28< Gambit> But they'd be interacting with each other via the server
20111230 18:21:37< zookeeper> dude, the words "a real MMO" mean a real MMO, not some persistent variables hack on a wesnoth server. -.-
20111230 18:21:55< Gambit> Okay... well... closer to a real MMO than we can be right now :P
20111230 18:22:03< zookeeper> better.
20111230 18:22:05< Gambit> That's not possible with this peer to peer thing.
20111230 18:22:17< Gambit> But lots of other things are.
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