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20111228 08:14:23< Kullervo2> Why is our IRC server named after Roger Zelazny?
20111228 08:17:44< Faux-kun> who's roger zelazny? o:
20111228 08:18:17< Faux-kun> oh nevermind.
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20111228 10:36:16< Ivanovic> moin
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20111228 11:05:36< DarkDefender> Anyone want/have time to try out a patch I've created? :3
20111228 11:10:15< Kullervo2> For what?
20111228 11:11:48< loonycyborg> Kullervo2: All freenode servers are named after various science fiction or fantasy writers afaik.
20111228 11:12:02< DarkDefender> Kullervo2: I've implemented http://www.playdota.com/forums/7993/article-pseudo-random-distribution/ for attacks
20111228 11:12:27< DarkDefender> I don't know how much it changes the gamesplay
20111228 11:12:35< Kullervo2> ah, thanks 
20111228 11:12:58< Kullervo2> I love Zelazny!
20111228 11:13:00< Kullervo2> Lord of light is awesome.
20111228 11:13:37< Kullervo2> Never really played much dota.
20111228 11:13:38< DarkDefender> It feels a little different for me but it might just be placebo
20111228 11:15:36< Kullervo2> I thought you couldn't mod dota?
20111228 11:15:36< Kullervo2> Or did icefrog change something?
20111228 11:16:42< DarkDefender> well it kinda work like this. If you have 50% to hit something the first time you strike it will have C=0.30210 (~30%) chance to hit. If you miss next time you'll have C*2 chance to hit.
20111228 11:18:42< DarkDefender> It's in the core of wc3 Kullervo2. They wanted to be able to balance the multiplayer a little easier. So with this algorithm you can miss with a unit for a whole match and it is highly unlikely that you do multiple strikes in a row 
20111228 11:21:28< DarkDefender> this is why you could perma bash (stun) in dota before. With the way to handle the random abilities the hits is more spread out and if you attack fast enough the stun time overlaps.
20111228 11:21:47< DarkDefender> So do you want to try it out Kullervo2?
20111228 11:22:04< DarkDefender> it didn't change as much as I expected
20111228 11:22:26< DarkDefender> But this might just be me
20111228 11:22:58< Kullervo2> Wc3 doesn't work for me, sorry.
20111228 11:23:26< DarkDefender> Kullervo2: ? But this patch if for wesnoth...
20111228 11:23:38< Kullervo2> Wesnoth?
20111228 11:23:41< DarkDefender> yes
20111228 11:23:51< Kullervo2> Thought you were talking about wc3
20111228 11:24:04< Kullervo2> So there's dota for wesnoth?
20111228 11:24:12< Kullervo2> Interesting.
20111228 11:24:34< DarkDefender> no. I implemented how they handle the random strikes in wc3 in wesnoth
20111228 11:25:01< DarkDefender> it works with vanilla wesnoth. Just apply  the patch and play away
20111228 11:25:14< DarkDefender> I would really like some feedback
20111228 11:26:03< DarkDefender> The link i posted is explaining the mechanics of this system
20111228 11:27:02< Kullervo2> Oh.Will do try it.
20111228 11:27:27< DarkDefender> ok I'll post it on pastebin, sec :D
20111228 11:27:39< Kullervo2> Sick of grunts missing targets in shallow water.
20111228 11:27:41< Kullervo2> No need to.
20111228 11:27:53< Kullervo2> Phone battery'll be dead in a sec.
20111228 11:28:32< DarkDefender> but but... How will you try it out then Kullervo2? D:
20111228 11:32:23< Kullervo2> I'll find it by coming here again.
20111228 11:32:36< Kullervo2> Or googling.
20111228 11:33:33< DarkDefender> I haven't posted it online yet so you wont find it on google.
20111228 11:33:43< DarkDefender> When will you be here again Kullervo2?
20111228 11:34:16< Kullervo2> Today, hopefully.
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20111228 11:35:09< DarkDefender> ok, I'll be here for a while. Ping me when you're back
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20111228 11:39:12< DarkDefender> Gambit: patches like this should be posted in the "Experimental Corner" subforum, right?
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20111228 12:53:05< MeanEYE> I've noticed that wesnoth sound rendering lags when I use my bluetooth headphones.
20111228 12:53:49< Rhonda> MeanEYE: And is it really only limited to wesnoth, or does your sound lag in general with your bluetooth headphones?
20111228 12:53:51< shadowmaster> It might be a problem with your sound controller or its drivers. Wesnoth only makes use of it through a more-or-less generic interface in SDL.
20111228 12:54:03< MeanEYE> Doesn't lag with music and other stuff. 
20111228 12:54:08< MeanEYE> Actually, let me confirm that. 
20111228 12:54:15< Rhonda> Does it lag with other SDL applications?
20111228 12:54:53< MeanEYE> Anything that uses PulseAudio, works just fine.
20111228 12:55:03< MeanEYE> Like players, browser and other similar things. 
20111228 12:55:18< MeanEYE> Am not sure which other SDL application I can use to test this?
20111228 12:56:26< Rhonda> What distribution?
20111228 12:56:56< MeanEYE> Sadly, Ubuntu 11.10
20111228 12:57:24< MeanEYE> Maybe I should restart and see how it behaves.
20111228 12:57:55< MeanEYE> Naah, sorry. Now that I remember, it use to work today correctly. Ignore that.
20111228 12:58:06< MeanEYE> Probably another buggy thing on Gnome's side. 
20111228 12:58:18< MeanEYE> Ignore my "bug" report.
20111228 12:58:27< DarkDefender> sounds more like a pulseaudio/ALSA problem :P
20111228 12:58:32< Rhonda> Why sadly?
20111228 12:58:48< DarkDefender> unity me thinks :P
20111228 12:58:50< MeanEYE> A lot of problems with it. 
20111228 12:58:53< MeanEYE> Yeah, that's the one. 
20111228 12:59:09< MeanEYE> Am back again to i3... and it's lightning compared to Unity.
20111228 12:59:14< Rhonda> You don't have to use unity.
20111228 12:59:20< MeanEYE> Am not anymore. 
20111228 12:59:30< MeanEYE> But constantly giving it chance to sway me over. :D 
20111228 13:00:02< Rhonda> I guess you are aware of my PPA then where I make the devel releases available?
20111228 13:00:10< MeanEYE> Unity ?!
20111228 13:00:15< Rhonda> wesnoth :)
20111228 13:00:26< MeanEYE> OOOOH :) ... No, am not aware of it. 
20111228 13:01:04< Rhonda> https://launchpad.net/~rhonda/+archive/wesnoth-devel
20111228 13:01:08< MeanEYE> But am not sure if I would use it. I like playing the game. 
20111228 13:01:15< Rhonda> So?
20111228 13:01:17< MeanEYE> Do I still get to have access to official server?
20111228 13:01:28< Rhonda> Yes.
20111228 13:01:30< DarkDefender> I think that is the beta, right Rhonda?
20111228 13:01:42< MeanEYE> Can I play with people who have 1.8.6
20111228 13:01:42< Rhonda> But you can't play with players of 1.8 if that's what you mean.
20111228 13:01:46< Rhonda> No.
20111228 13:01:47< MeanEYE> :) Yes.
20111228 13:01:49< MeanEYE> That's my problem.
20111228 13:01:59< MeanEYE> Any release date on that one?
20111228 13:02:00< Rhonda> But that's the beta/release candidate for the upcoming 1.10 version.
20111228 13:02:09< MeanEYE> Oh, it's RC quality already?
20111228 13:02:16< Rhonda> Mostly yes.
20111228 13:02:25< MeanEYE> Any time estimation. 
20111228 13:02:25< shadowmaster> It might be the last beta before the first 1.10 RC.
20111228 13:02:27< Rhonda> The last version had an explicit call for testers.
20111228 13:02:35< Rhonda> MeanEYE: IIRWIIR
20111228 13:02:42< Rhonda> wesbot: whatis IIRWIIR
20111228 13:02:43< wesbot> Rhonda: IIRWIIR stands for It Is Ready When It Is Ready
20111228 13:02:43< MeanEYE> :) 
20111228 13:02:50< MeanEYE> I know what it is. :) 
20111228 13:03:01< MeanEYE> Thanks. 
20111228 13:03:11< MeanEYE> I am really looking forward to this release.
20111228 13:03:30< Rhonda> me too, that's why I am offering the devel releases through a PPA
20111228 13:03:34< MeanEYE> Thanks for the PPA.
20111228 13:03:47< Rhonda> And that reminds me that I should do backports of 1.8.6 for the older ubuntu versions …
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20111228 13:07:12< MeanEYE> That patch DarkDefender made, sounds really good.
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20111228 17:38:22< Kullervo2> Oh god
20111228 17:38:44< Kullervo2> Have you guys read the eye of argon?
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20111228 17:42:12< Faux-kun> no, why? o:
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20111228 17:46:12< Kullervo2> Ah dear god it's hilarious
20111228 17:46:44< Kullervo2> At gatherings people compete to see who can read it and keep a straight face..
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20111228 17:49:43< MeanEYE> What, where?
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20111228 18:54:28< Kullervo2> Are the khalifate getting liminal it not?
20111228 18:56:30< Espreon> Kullervo2: That is what they say.
20111228 19:00:25< MeanEYE> Kullervo2, mind sharing few things on how graphics is developed for Wesnoth?
20111228 19:01:00< MeanEYE> Am more interested in development process. Not tools and similar. 
20111228 19:01:02< Kullervo2> How would I know?
20111228 19:01:16< MeanEYE> :) 
20111228 19:01:24< MeanEYE> Sorry, mistaken you for someone else :P 
20111228 19:01:40< MeanEYE> Still, question stands : D
20111228 19:02:13< Drazelic> is this an open question
20111228 19:02:34< Kullervo2> From my lurking days, it's pretty much authors offering sprites in threads
20111228 19:02:34< MeanEYE> Yes. 
20111228 19:02:34< MeanEYE> ;) 
20111228 19:02:45< Drazelic> well okay here's how it works
20111228 19:02:51< Drazelic> i draw random stuff until someone notices me
20111228 19:02:58< Drazelic> then i draw stuff that's not random based on what i like
20111228 19:03:13< Drazelic> usually random units that i think could be cooler, though baseframe revamps are sort of frowned up on these days
20111228 19:03:19< Drazelic> there really is no schedule
20111228 19:03:29< Drazelic> it's not uncommon for multi-week or multi-month breaks
20111228 19:03:47< Kullervo2> Still waiting for a level 3 javelineer
20111228 19:03:53< Drazelic> as the art develops, higher-ups on the art hierarchy offer tips and make requirements for entering the new unit
20111228 19:04:02< Drazelic> at some point everyone agrees on the art being acceptably good and it goes in
20111228 19:04:04< MeanEYE> Hm, so it's not organized by some versioning tool or similar ?
20111228 19:04:07< Drazelic> nope
20111228 19:04:09< Kullervo2> Make it happen, art fairy!
20111228 19:04:09< Drazelic> it's all freelance
20111228 19:04:21< MeanEYE> Okay.. 
20111228 19:04:21< Drazelic> and then a few months later someone else does the animations
20111228 19:04:27< Drazelic> almost every unit is a patchwork creation by many people
20111228 19:04:43< Drazelic> though jetrel was being a one-man-army with the elves and merfolk a while back
20111228 19:04:55< Kullervo2> When does the balancing happen?
20111228 19:05:21< Drazelic> balancing? that's not really the art department, if you mean like unit statistics
20111228 19:06:41< Espreon> The MP people do balancing.
20111228 19:07:34< Kullervo2> I remember when elves had rectangular hair.
20111228 19:07:46< Kullervo2> When was that?2004?
20111228 19:08:45< MeanEYE> I wish there was an archive of all this :) 
20111228 19:08:53< MeanEYE> I love looking at evolution :D
20111228 19:09:31< Kullervo2> Think wiki has one, but not for art.
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20111228 19:09:56< Kullervo2> Oh hey.
20111228 19:10:13< DarkDefender> hello :)
20111228 19:10:16< Kullervo2> Regarding that patch, you still got it?
20111228 19:10:22< DarkDefender> yes
20111228 19:10:35< DarkDefender> should I post it on pastebin?
20111228 19:10:53< Kullervo2> Wesnoth forums are more permanent
20111228 19:11:19< DarkDefender> k. which subforum?
20111228 19:11:49< Kullervo2> Core gameplay changes or whatsitface
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20111228 19:13:58< DarkDefender> there is "Coder’s Corner" and "Experimental Corner"
20111228 19:14:14< DarkDefender> shadowmaster: ^
20111228 19:14:56< DarkDefender> Gambit: ^
20111228 19:15:01< Gambit> Experimental Corner if you're still talking about changing the RNG
20111228 19:15:17< DarkDefender> ok. I'll post it there then, thanks :)
20111228 19:15:36< DarkDefender> post thread commit up Kullervo2
20111228 19:15:44< DarkDefender> ops
20111228 19:16:18< DarkDefender> I'll post thread about it now I meant Kullervo2 :P
20111228 19:17:55< Kullervo2> Experimental, yeah.
20111228 19:26:30< Octalot> Should I log bugs about the whiteboard in 1.9.13 (are they useful or just noise about a feature that's still in development)?
20111228 19:26:41< shadowm_laptop> Octalot: please file those
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20111228 19:33:53< Octalot> ok, will do (after dinner, so half an hour or so)
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20111228 19:47:22< DarkDefender> aww hes gone now that I've posted it: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=35757
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