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20120105 00:06:16< CIA-85> anonymissimus * r52481 /trunk/src/ (game_events.cpp scripting/lua.cpp): 
20120105 00:06:16< CIA-85> accept only non-empty variable names in [set_variable(s)] and wesnoth.set_variable
20120105 00:06:16< CIA-85> This supposedly common problem (value of a set variable composed
20120105 00:06:16< CIA-85> of the values of other variables which perhaps don't exist or are empty)
20120105 00:06:16< CIA-85> causes corrupted savegames and makes :inspect fail. Hard to track on
20120105 00:06:17< CIA-85> wml side; there are probably a more ways of corrupting saves via empty
20120105 00:06:18< CIA-85> key or tag names.
20120105 00:07:07< shadowmaster> there are more ways to do so by using non-empty names
20120105 00:07:21< shadowmaster> =foo, [foo], etc.
20120105 00:07:30< anonymissimus> sure
20120105 00:09:15< anonymissimus> a better fix would be to check every passed name string in the variable_info struct
20120105 00:09:37< anonymissimus> for other cases as well
20120105 00:09:45< shadowmaster> or a better fix would be to check before writing crap in the writer proper
20120105 00:10:14< shadowmaster> or before introducing new nodes or attributes in the config class, but silene would not want that
20120105 00:10:25< shadowmaster> oh no, heaven forbid
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20120105 00:47:24< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52482 /branches/resources/image-localization/es/logo.xcf: New (hopefully) improved Spanish logo source
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20120105 00:51:22< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52483 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update Spanish logo.png
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20120105 00:54:14< CIA-85> espreon * r52484 /trunk/ (114 files in 4 dirs): Fixed some rules and reran pofix.
20120105 01:06:49< shadowmaster> 21:01:06 <+CIA-48> wesnoth-umc-dev: anonymissimus * r12735 /trunk/Anon_Test/:
20120105 01:06:55< shadowmaster> anonymissimus: empty commit messages are evil
20120105 01:07:15< shadowmaster> also, what's that?
20120105 01:07:35< anonymissimus> oh sry for the empty message
20120105 01:07:44< anonymissimus> I'll delete it when I'm done
20120105 01:08:50< shadowmaster> done doing what? :)
20120105 01:09:10< anonymissimus> forgot to add the message since it was svn
20120105 01:09:50< anonymissimus> figuring out how to preserve the history when dcommitting a git repo I created locally 
20120105 01:09:57< anonymissimus> for a new addon
20120105 01:10:31< anonymissimus> usually I first checked in the files, then cloned it out again
20120105 01:11:09< shadowmaster> /650[B/60
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20120105 01:12:36< anonymissimus> ??
20120105 01:13:34< shadowmaster> ignore that last line
20120105 01:15:07< Espreon> anonymissimus: Remember, /trunk is not your playground.
20120105 01:22:11< anonymissimus> how should I find out stuff like that ? I need my own repository then
20120105 01:22:40< anonymissimus> also if you blame me then shout at those other new authors making empty commit etc as well pls
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20120105 01:29:36< Espreon> anonymissimus: Thine add-ons' directories are thy playgrounds.™
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20120105 01:31:33< anonymissimus> I cant try out this issue that way
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20120105 01:32:33< Espreon> Well... thou shouldst have asked... :(
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20120105 01:37:35< anonymissimus> i wanna find out stuff myself, not let it do you for me
20120105 01:37:45< anonymissimus> you do
20120105 01:38:00 * anonymissimus is confused about grammar
20120105 01:38:13< Espreon> Oh well.
20120105 01:38:35< Espreon> Grammar must be respected... or we'd all turn into silly little monkeys.
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20120105 01:56:04< shadowm_laptop> Ivanovic: this one is for you: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19245
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20120105 02:19:35< shadowm_laptop> the --preprocessor description in the wesnoth(6) man page is a total disaster!
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20120105 02:42:07< anonymissimus> pah... havent even accomplished anything yet; and it really ain't helpful that all the time the cool git commands don't work with my version for unknown reasons
20120105 02:42:39< anonymissimus> be it because it's mysysgit or the version or whatever
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20120105 03:30:05< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52485 /website/start/1.10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Update Spanish translation of the 1.10 announcement
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20120105 04:30:28< CIA-85> espreon * r52486 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Improved and restructured the announcement.
20120105 04:30:30< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: ^
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20120105 04:45:01< Espreon> shadowmaster: What do you think?
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20120105 04:57:55< shadowm_laptop> Espreon: here's what I think
20120105 04:58:03< shadowm_laptop> 23:46:03 <shadowmaster> anyway, that's enough translating for me for now
20120105 04:58:25< shadowm_laptop> s/(translating)/$1 and other mainline crap work/
20120105 04:58:46< shadowm_laptop> I'll give you an opinion as soon as I feel like checking it
20120105 05:01:51< Espreon> OK.
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20120105 10:50:36< Ivanovic> moin
20120105 10:55:43< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: what is the correct entry these days?
20120105 10:55:56< Ivanovic> just rtemoving the scenario and difficulty?
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20120105 18:57:25< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: as I said in the bug report, there are two (new?) options controlling those individual aspects
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20120105 18:59:09< shadowmaster> in a related note, the manpages don't seem to be consistent with regards to whether use a stop at the end of each option description or not
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20120105 20:09:00< Espreon> Ivanovic: OK... so... the release announcement is ready.
20120105 20:09:40< shadowmaster> let me read it again
20120105 20:10:31< fendrin> there is something missing with the music
20120105 20:10:49< Espreon> What?
20120105 20:10:55< fendrin> silvian sanctuary is new
20120105 20:11:00< Espreon> Hmmm...
20120105 20:11:44< fendrin> but northerners was updated before
20120105 20:12:12< fendrin> so northerners shouldn't be mentioned 
20120105 20:12:26< Espreon> But it was completely redone...
20120105 20:12:36< fendrin> yeah
20120105 20:12:45< Espreon> And no one's going to read the changelogs.
20120105 20:13:37< shadowmaster> *Sylvan Sanctuary
20120105 20:13:38< fendrin> Espreon: It was completely redone albeit it was backported to 1.8.something. So it is not new with the update to 1.10. 
20120105 20:14:07< Espreon> Oh, well curses.
20120105 20:14:22< Espreon> shadowmaster: No, sadly, someone used "silvan" instead.
20120105 20:14:27< Espreon> I know, it pisses me off too.
20120105 20:14:34< shadowmaster> Espreon: West
20120105 20:15:16< Espreon> Note that we prefer "sylvan", but since no one cares about us... yeah.
20120105 20:15:27< Espreon> Oh well.
20120105 20:15:40< Espreon> fendrin: Hmmm... if only you mentioned it in the regular changelog.
20120105 20:15:41< zookeeper> oh, wait, if something needs to be added to the announcement, it needs to be done now?
20120105 20:15:49< Espreon> zookeeper: Yupz.
20120105 20:16:14< zookeeper> eh, ok, then you should mention the new portrait set for SoF, i'll commit it sometime really soon
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20120105 20:16:51< Espreon> ... UGH...
20120105 20:17:01< fendrin> zookeeper: I will add it.
20120105 20:17:12< shadowmaster> *ugh* indeed
20120105 20:17:26< shadowmaster> Espreon: do you know how to regenerate the pot and po files?
20120105 20:17:32< Espreon> Yar.
20120105 20:17:52< Espreon> For both the game and the announcement.
20120105 20:18:34< fendrin> Espreon: What exactly? The update of one of the music pieces?
20120105 20:18:44< Espreon> Everything.
20120105 20:18:58< shadowmaster> "With several terrain types being added, and many more being completely redrawn or updated, including volcanoes, moving water, jungles, new embellishments and completely redrawn grasslands, the Wesnothian battlefield is now a much more beautiful thing to see."
20120105 20:19:05< shadowmaster> the jungle terrain was reverted
20120105 20:19:19< fendrin> and moving water sounds strange
20120105 20:19:26< fendrin> isn't animated water better?
20120105 20:19:34< Espreon> shadowmaster: Hmmm, I thought I killed that.
20120105 20:19:39< Espreon> Oh well.
20120105 20:19:48< Espreon> I'll have to smack Deusite on the head with a squeaky hammer.
20120105 20:20:04< shadowmaster> "there is a new Whiteboard system, which helps you to make plans"  are you sure the "to" belongs there?
20120105 20:20:24< Espreon> Hmmmm, it's either 1) a mistake or 2) a stupid Brit thing that no one cares about.
20120105 20:20:44< shadowmaster> I wonder why I translated this to Spanish if I'll have to translate it again
20120105 20:20:46< Espreon> Well, actually, I could see it there, but I see no need for it.
20120105 20:20:58< Espreon> shadowmaster: I didn't know it was a hard freeze.
20120105 20:21:02< Espreon> *wasn't
20120105 20:21:19< fendrin> It wasn't, was it?
20120105 20:21:30< Espreon> There certainly is no hard freeze.
20120105 20:21:32< shadowmaster> "The 1.10 series features a completely remade version of the old <em>Northerners</em> theme as well as a new track: <em>Battle Epic</em>." - as said above, Northerners was also updated in the 1.8 branch post 1.8.0
20120105 20:21:43< Espreon> Yesh.
20120105 20:22:06< shadowmaster> "Several scenarios from <em>Legend of Wesmere</em> were reworked to include more dynamic gameplay and better mechanics." no comment
20120105 20:22:12< Espreon> Same.
20120105 20:22:43< fendrin> I wouldn't have told it in that way myself :-)
20120105 20:22:57< shadowmaster> hm, are you sure those are all the new standard unit portraits?
20120105 20:23:07< Espreon> No idea.
20120105 20:23:17< Espreon> If they aren't, someone hand me my squeaky hammer.
20120105 20:23:35< Espreon> This is the last time I outsource something.
20120105 20:24:12< shadowmaster> the real problem is that you did this without having him talk to us...
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20120105 20:24:45< shadowmaster> r43223 (Orcish Archer)
20120105 20:25:00< Espreon> Indeed.
20120105 20:25:05< shadowmaster> actually, you know what, I'll collect a list
20120105 20:25:07< fendrin> And I still wonder if some of the features I have coded should be mentioned. They are all small but some are nice.
20120105 20:25:08< shadowmaster> anyone else could do the same if they have a git-svn tree:
20120105 20:25:09< shadowmaster> $ git log --summary --stat tags/1.8.0..HEAD data/core/images/portraits
20120105 20:25:56< shadowmaster> only big, user-visible features, please. Let's not turn this into a "who has the greatest portfolio" contest
20120105 20:27:14< shadowmaster> yeah, you missed a lot of generic portraits
20120105 20:27:19< fendrin> Glad to hear that. I am not good in writing those announcements.
20120105 20:27:27< Espreon> You mean Deusite did.™
20120105 20:27:36< Espreon> Of course, I could just take out all the examples.
20120105 20:27:43< Espreon> ... and make this much easier.
20120105 20:28:18< shadowmaster> Espreon: dude, I' am already on it. Don't waste my efforts.
20120105 20:28:25< Espreon> All right.
20120105 20:29:39< fendrin> shadowmaster: Please also add a note that LOW was removed, the mp port.
20120105 20:30:18< fendrin> sadly
20120105 20:30:39< shadowmaster> fendrin: no, that's for Espreon
20120105 20:30:49< Espreon> "save data to players’ hard disks" ... Hmmmm... what's a less restrictive way...?
20120105 20:30:58< Espreon> No, positives only.®
20120105 20:32:12< fendrin> Espreon: Please let it sound like yoda. "The mp port removed it was, sadly." 
20120105 20:32:13< shadowmaster> Espreon: slap your lackey in the face with this: https://pastebin.com/em1Zy06L
20120105 20:32:40< Espreon> shadowmaster: ... I'm not writing all those in.
20120105 20:32:55< Espreon> But, I will gladly slap him in the face with that list.
20120105 20:33:11< shadowmaster> Espreon: well, please summarize the list in some other manner
20120105 20:33:20< Espreon> I will take a few, cool examples.
20120105 20:33:34< shadowmaster> for example: "most of the Drakes, many of the Skeletal undead", etc.
20120105 20:34:38< shadowmaster> Espreon: "Various changes were made to the UI. For example, you can now remove multiple add-ons at once using checkboxes. You can also now use the twelve-hour clock format thanks to a new advanced preference."
20120105 20:34:46< shadowmaster> didn't I say the 12 hour format thing doesn't belong there?
20120105 20:34:58< Espreon> Shut up. We oppressed peoples need to know.
20120105 20:34:58< shadowmaster> also, you have a trailing space before the closing tag for that paragraph
20120105 20:35:01< Espreon> Oh my.
20120105 20:35:19< shadowmaster> no, I said *major* features above
20120105 20:35:36< Espreon> Whatevz.
20120105 20:35:49< shadowmaster> if you are going to mention that thing then I may as well point out the amazing standarization of Title Case and Sentence case throughout the UI.
20120105 20:35:57< Espreon> Go ahead.
20120105 20:36:01< Espreon> It's a major boon.
20120105 20:36:01< shadowmaster> ... no
20120105 20:36:13< shadowmaster> my point is that that kind of crap doesn't belong there
20120105 20:36:26< Espreon> <insert Gambit's catchphrase here>
20120105 20:36:48< shadowmaster> which one of his hundreds of catchphrases?
20120105 20:37:02< Espreon> "Fine, be a jerk."
20120105 20:37:11< shadowmaster> oh, that one
20120105 20:37:15< Espreon> It's rather ironic, since I hate that one the most.
20120105 20:37:21< shadowmaster> no, I'm just trying to keep the announcement interesting and tidy
20120105 20:37:57< shadowmaster> "The sidebar was modified to make it more appealing and its elements easier to grasp." I think I mentioned in the Spanish channel that the last few words are too vague
20120105 20:38:06< Espreon> Do I really have to mention the removal of the LoW MP port?
20120105 20:38:23< shadowmaster> let me think
20120105 20:38:29< Espreon> Unless someone wants to explain that vague crap about the sidebar, I'm removing it!
20120105 20:38:35< shadowmaster> let's ask shikadibot. 1: yes, 2: no
20120105 20:38:40< shadowmaster> shikadibot: d2
20120105 20:38:40< shikadibot> shadowmaster: 2
20120105 20:38:46< shadowmaster> shikadibot says "no"
20120105 20:39:32< Espreon> Yay.
20120105 20:39:36< shadowmaster> "Existing translations have been updated, and two new translations were started: Irish and Old English." While I suspect this is a generic snippet found in every stable series announcement, it's laughably obvious.
20120105 20:39:48< shadowmaster> "translations have been updated" --- I mean, of course. If they weren't, then...
20120105 20:40:09< shadowmaster> may as well mention that "code has been added"
20120105 20:40:13< Espreon> True.
20120105 20:40:29< fendrin> lol
20120105 20:40:39< shadowmaster> the mention of the slowed units tinting needs an accompanying screenshot
20120105 20:40:57< Espreon> ... which I'm not making.
20120105 20:41:09< fendrin> Espreon: so low removal and the portraits for zookeeper is up to me?
20120105 20:41:20< shadowmaster> I still think the wb screenshot isn't very flattering, and I may have realized why at last
20120105 20:41:23< Espreon> Eh... actually, I think I'll add those!
20120105 20:41:37< shadowmaster> one of the waypoint arrows is overlaid on one of the visible units
20120105 20:42:14< shadowmaster> the unit at the center of the bat circle is also an example of how _bad_ the wb system can look in practice
20120105 20:42:35< Espreon> I'm not making screenshots.
20120105 20:42:38< shadowmaster> that is, it's barely readable due to the swamp graphics beneath
20120105 20:43:03< Espreon> fendrin: Wait, no. It doesn't need to be there. Remember, think positive. Everything MUST remain falsely positive.
20120105 20:43:05< shadowmaster> I don't know who took that screenshot ( Ivanovic ? ) but it'd be good if they took the aforementioned points into account
20120105 20:44:03< fendrin> Are you sure you kids are handling that task seriously? I have my doubts.
20120105 20:44:16< shadowmaster> Espreon: I object to the mention of "hard disks" in the persistenceWML blurb
20120105 20:44:26< Espreon> shadowmaster: I changed that to "user data directory".
20120105 20:44:29< Espreon> ... locally.
20120105 20:44:36< shadowmaster> they could be flash drives, or SSDs, or- okay
20120105 20:44:48< shadowmaster> although I'd prefer "user preferences" (no mention of directories)
20120105 20:44:59< shadowmaster> or "user configuration"
20120105 20:45:23< Espreon> Eh...
20120105 20:45:30< Espreon> ... I dunno...
20120105 20:45:42< shadowmaster> commit your changes and I'll fix it myself later
20120105 20:46:04< Espreon> Hmmm, what other campaigns got new portraits that weren't backported to 1.8.x?
20120105 20:46:37< shadowmaster> that have been committed? none other campaigns, I believe
20120105 20:46:57< shadowmaster> HttT is a WIP that is most certainly going to miss 1.10, SoF... you read above
20120105 20:47:06< Espreon> OK.
20120105 20:47:10< shadowmaster> not sure when AOI's portraits entered mainline
20120105 20:47:43< shadowmaster> Espreon: yeah, AOI needs tob e added to the list
20120105 20:48:09< shadowmaster> and I think it'll be easier to not pay attention to backportrs
20120105 20:48:16< Espreon> OK.
20120105 20:48:35< Espreon> Then I could theoretically put "Northerners" back in the list, but blargh.
20120105 20:49:05< shadowmaster> apparently there were THoT portrait updates too
20120105 20:49:32< shadowmaster> yeah, put Northerners back in there
20120105 20:49:43< fendrin> There have been some portraits updated and changed in LoW as well.
20120105 20:49:43< shadowmaster> wesbot: log 42210
20120105 20:49:44< wesbot> jetryl * r42210 : Updated THoT with the latest batch of portraits.
20120105 20:49:44< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=42210
20120105 20:50:03< shadowmaster> wesbot: log 49487
20120105 20:50:03< wesbot> fendrin * r49487 : Updated the emacs-mode's database.
20120105 20:50:03< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=49487
20120105 20:50:12< fendrin> I would just go with "Many portraits of campaign specific characters have been updated".
20120105 20:50:14< shadowmaster> wesbot: log 49847
20120105 20:50:14< wesbot> jetryl * r49847 : New portrait for pelias.
20120105 20:50:15< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=49847
20120105 20:50:38< fendrin> And not mention every single campaign or character. That is just clutter.
20120105 20:51:11< shadowmaster> "most of the mainline campaigns have been gifted with new or updated portrait sets, bringing us closer to the goal yadda yadda"
20120105 20:51:42< shadowmaster> you may also use "blessed", since Art Contributions are clearly blessings
20120105 20:51:52< Espreon> Well, blargh, I'm committing what I've done so far.
20120105 20:51:53< fendrin> it would be easier to mention the old style portraits that are left in the game.
20120105 20:51:58< Espreon> No.
20120105 20:52:08< Espreon> They don't exist.™
20120105 20:52:25< fendrin> :-)
20120105 20:52:25< shadowmaster> or it's easier to do it in the style I proposed above
20120105 20:52:38< shadowmaster> and yes, I meant "it is", not "it would be"
20120105 20:52:40< zookeeper> i bet most of the mainline campaigns haven't been gifted with new or updated portrait sets since 1.8...
20120105 20:52:50< fendrin> zookeeper: indeed
20120105 20:52:51< Espreon> And ydone.
20120105 20:52:56< CIA-85> espreon * r52487 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Improved the announcement yet again...
20120105 20:53:02< shadowmaster> then s/most/many/
20120105 20:54:24< shadowmaster> DiD, TRoW, L, TSG, AToTB, AOI, (supposedly) SoF are enough to qualify as "many", being almost half of the mainline campaigns
20120105 20:54:42< shadowmaster> (7 of 16)
20120105 20:54:44< fendrin> shadowmaster: LoW, DM
20120105 20:54:56< shadowmaster> and some ThOT portraits, yes
20120105 20:55:06< shadowmaster> LoW and DM were mainlined with their basic portraits already included and completed
20120105 20:55:16< fendrin> right
20120105 20:55:28< CIA-85> anonymissimus * r52488 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: 
20120105 20:55:28< CIA-85> remove deprecation warning about .colour in store_side
20120105 20:55:28< CIA-85> Unless there is some idea of reducing the false positives.
20120105 20:55:34< fendrin> There is also art for thot out there. Wasn'T it commited?
20120105 20:55:41< Espreon> Finally, he did something right.
20120105 20:55:44< Espreon> fendrin: I mentioned it.
20120105 20:55:45< fendrin> oh you mentioned it. 
20120105 20:55:53< zookeeper> shadowmaster, most of those had them already in 1.8
20120105 20:56:28< zookeeper> surely at least DiD, TRoW, L, AToTB and AOI did
20120105 20:56:32< shadowmaster> zookeeper: "new or updated portrait sets". Sure, DiD and TRoW already had portraits, but they weren't up to the 1.6 standards
20120105 20:57:55< zookeeper> wait, woah, wtf. DiD and TRoW are post-1.8.
20120105 20:58:10< zookeeper> i could have sworn we had the new portraits in 1.8, but looks like we didn't
20120105 20:58:28< fendrin> Shall we rename Silvan Sanctuary to Sylvan Sanctuary? West thought the track would replace elfland.ogg and the name was only a working title. I think he did not spend much thought on it.
20120105 20:58:33< zookeeper> so, yeah, fine, looks like you're right
20120105 20:58:45< shadowmaster> fendrin: nooooot at this point, no
20120105 20:59:24< fendrin> okay, we can keep it in mind for after the freeze.
20120105 20:59:36< shadowmaster> actually, certainly *not* at this point. That counts as a feature.
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20120105 21:00:39< Espreon> It'll be done... later.
20120105 21:01:00< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52489 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Add missing stop
20120105 21:01:02< Espreon> Oh, fuck.
20120105 21:01:07< Espreon> Redundancy...
20120105 21:01:11< Espreon> ... must... kill.
20120105 21:02:49< CIA-85> espreon * r52490 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Killed redundancy.
20120105 21:04:20< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52491 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Use <em> instead of <tt>, since Glamdrol doesn't use a custom style for the latter and browsers like to use a smaller font size for some retarded reason
20120105 21:05:13< Espreon> Oh well.
20120105 21:07:10< shadowmaster> the portrait sets list is still wrong
20120105 21:07:49< shadowmaster> "<p>Various changes were made to the UI. For example, you can now remove multiple add-ons at once using checkboxes.</p>"
20120105 21:07:56< shadowmaster> this really needs to go
20120105 21:08:07< Espreon> Then kill it.
20120105 21:08:25< Espreon> How's the list wrong again?
20120105 21:08:39< shadowmaster> it's incomplete or inaccurate
20120105 21:09:08< Espreon> Then fix it.
20120105 21:09:13< shadowmaster> The THoT additions in trunk aren't that many (although I haven't taken a look at the actual portraits), doesn't mentionDiD or TRoW, etc.
20120105 21:09:40< shadowmaster> no, you fix it :p
20120105 21:09:41< Espreon> ...
20120105 21:09:44< Espreon> Fine.
20120105 21:10:11< Espreon> Hmmm, yeah, true. THoT's set isn't finished...
20120105 21:10:33< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52492 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Merged two paragraphs
20120105 21:10:54< shadowmaster> you also seem to have dropped the sidebar blurb
20120105 21:11:11< Espreon> Yes, I have.
20120105 21:11:22< CIA-85> espreon * r52493 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Fixed the portraits list.
20120105 21:11:28< shadowmaster> I'll restore it
20120105 21:11:34< Espreon> But I thought we hated it.
20120105 21:11:40< shadowmaster> no
20120105 21:11:50< shadowmaster> I said the wording at the end was too vague
20120105 21:11:53< Espreon> All right.
20120105 21:11:54< shadowmaster> i.e. useless
20120105 21:13:57< shadowmaster> Note that it's up to you to check grammatical correctness in my commits
20120105 21:14:23< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52494 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Readded the sidebar blurb at the end of the UI changes paragraph
20120105 21:17:52< CIA-85> espreon * r52495 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Killed redundancy... again.
20120105 21:18:57< CIA-85> espreon * r52496 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Reworded the sidebar blurb a bit.
20120105 21:19:10< shadowmaster> Espreon: dammit
20120105 21:19:23< Espreon> What?
20120105 21:19:42< shadowmaster> try to wait until I say I'm done
20120105 21:19:52< Espreon> Oh, sorry.
20120105 21:20:10< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52497 /website/start/1.10/template.html: The TSG portrait set keeps getting neglected
20120105 21:20:21< shadowmaster> since this isn't Git and I've been having connectivity issues since xmas, I can't really check your diffs
20120105 21:20:30< shadowmaster> without wasting a lot f time
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20120105 21:28:28< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52498 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Someone broke a UTF-8 sequence
20120105 21:30:17< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52499 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Italicize map names
20120105 21:30:26< shadowmaster> Espreon: is it really necessary to capitalize Drakes and not undead?
20120105 21:30:50< Espreon> Hmmm...
20120105 21:31:07< Espreon> Not even the game data is concistent with things like this.
20120105 21:31:44< shadowmaster> I think it'd be helpful if the key words in the announcement were formatted in bold
20120105 21:31:58< shadowmaster> but that's just me
20120105 21:32:10< Espreon> I still say that map names don't deserve to be italicized. Wrapped in quotes? Maybe.
20120105 21:32:43< shadowmaster> They are more readable my way.
20120105 21:32:57 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20120105 21:33:19< shadowmaster> Readability is key to a good-looking piece of marketing crap like this.
20120105 21:35:25< shadowmaster> I think it's good now.
20120105 21:40:50< Espreon> Yar.
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20120105 21:55:19< shadowmaster> Anyone knows how I can determine the direction a hex is from a certain origin point in WML or Lua?
20120105 21:55:52< shadowmaster> That is, an arbitrary hex relative to the origin point. It doesn't need to be adjacent to it.
20120105 21:56:27 * zookeeper doesn't
20120105 21:57:02< zookeeper> i don't recall ever needing to do that
20120105 21:57:35< shadowmaster> By the way, the move_unit action only sets se/sw facings. That might be a problem in the future when there are enough units with north-facing baseframes.
20120105 21:57:50< Espreon> Gasp.
20120105 21:58:14< shadowmaster> Well, technically, I could be lazy like that in my code too since the units I'm working with only have south-facing frames...
20120105 21:58:43< Espreon> ... this... should be fixed... "soon"...
20120105 21:59:20< shadowmaster> Bats, ghosts, shadows, wraiths and certain goblins already have north-facing frames in mainline.
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20120105 21:59:32< Espreon> Yeah, it should be fixed now.
20120105 21:59:40< Espreon> anonymissimus: Ah, good to see you!
20120105 21:59:43< shadowmaster> sounds like a bug for anonymissimus, in either case ;)
20120105 21:59:47< Espreon> Indeed.
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20120105 22:00:23< shadowmaster> Ah, I see the Horseman also has north-facing frames now, as well as the saurians.
20120105 22:01:04< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: "direction hex is from" etc: not something wesnoth specific actually
20120105 22:01:18< shadowmaster> And apparently Wraiths don't have those for some reason.
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20120105 22:02:37< anonymissimus> move_unit sets facings in the same way the old MOVE_UNIT macro does, thats not a bug
20120105 22:02:45< anonymissimus> a missing feature instead
20120105 22:02:58< Espreon> Well, then add it.
20120105 22:03:02< shadowmaster> counts as a bug because of the aforementioned units
20120105 22:05:25< anonymissimus> counts purely as a feature
20120105 22:05:29< Espreon> ...
20120105 22:05:31< shadowmaster> bug!
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20120105 22:05:53< Espreon> anonymissimus: Please fix the bug... Think... about the children!
20120105 22:06:06< anonymissimus> oh cool, someone substituted MOVE_UNIT macro's code with teh tag :<
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20120105 22:11:01< shadowmaster> apparently map_location::get_relative_dir() has the algorithm
20120105 22:11:22< shadowmaster> that hasn't been exposed to Lua yet, has it?
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20120105 22:15:27< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: no, but looks like a good idea to do then
20120105 22:17:25< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: for getting the thing without breaking teh freeze you could probably translate it into custom lua
20120105 22:18:07< anonymissimus> the one who must not be named did the same with distance_between
20120105 22:18:20< shadowmaster> I'm trying.
20120105 22:20:29< shadowmaster> It's more complicated than it seems. :p
20120105 22:22:07< shadowmaster> In particular, I don't think the binary & operator is available in Lua.
20120105 22:24:27< anonymissimus> i would search for a mathematical formula then I guess
20120105 22:24:32< shadowmaster> I guess that statement is just an alternate way to say "n modulo 2", though
20120105 22:24:36< anonymissimus> cant be very hard to find
20120105 22:26:00< anonymissimus> this difference appears to be sort of a vector of steps to get from one hex to the other
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20120105 22:26:34< anonymissimus> a mathematical vector
20120105 22:28:16< anonymissimus> alternatively, I wouldn't mind if you expose the function, as long as you get the blame for breaking the freeze :)
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20120105 22:28:37< shadowmaster> of course not
20120105 22:29:27< shadowmaster> Not because of the mainline cycle, but because I'd then be tempted to break compatibility with previous post-1.9.10 versions in my own campaign.
20120105 22:29:31< shadowmaster> And that would be terrible.
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20120105 22:38:03< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: to implement your feature request with facings in move_unit i actually need that function though
20120105 22:39:24< shadowmaster> I am on it, but I cannot guarantee its mathematical correctness by any means.
20120105 22:40:02< shadowmaster> !math 2%2
20120105 22:40:02< shikadibot> shadowmaster: 0
20120105 22:40:08< shadowmaster> !math 0%2
20120105 22:40:08< shikadibot> shadowmaster: 0
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20120105 22:41:53< dipseydoodle> Morning
20120105 22:42:00< dipseydoodle> I mean
20120105 22:42:02< dipseydoodle> Evening
20120105 22:42:04< dipseydoodle> :P
20120105 22:43:48< shadowmaster> people here are mainly from CET, EDT and CLDT
20120105 22:44:24< dipseydoodle> Ahh good to know
20120105 22:45:20< dipseydoodle> I seem to remember why I quit using WML XD
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20120105 23:04:57< shadowmaster> yep, something went wrong
20120105 23:06:12< shadowmaster>  can detect all directions except for south
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