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20120106 01:48:57< CIA-85> espreon * r52501 /website/start/1.10/template.html: Fixed a few things.
20120106 01:51:27< anonymissimus> Espreon: what is the english name for a "[" ?
20120106 01:51:35< anonymissimus> or a ]
20120106 01:51:54< anonymissimus> (not even sure what I'd call it in German)
20120106 01:52:29< Espreon> Bracket.
20120106 01:52:35< shadowmaster> left square bracket, right square bracket
20120106 01:52:55< Espreon> anonymissimus: Why?
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20120106 01:59:21< anonymissimus> because I', dumb
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20120106 02:03:11< Alarantalara> bracket without qualifiers is specific to North America
20120106 02:03:46< Alarantalara> go with shadowmaster for safety
20120106 02:04:08< Espreon> [] = brackets, () = parentheses, {} = braces
20120106 02:04:13< Espreon> ... Blargh.
20120106 02:04:17< shadowmaster> In turn, I abide by what unicode.org says.
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20120106 02:06:48< anonymissimus> in the forum someone called { squiggly bracket
20120106 02:06:56< Espreon> Yeah, just go with unicode.org since there seems to be an obscene number of names for the damned things.
20120106 02:06:57< anonymissimus> was a native speaker
20120106 02:07:04< Espreon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracket#List_of_types
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20120106 09:35:50< Espreon> Ivanovic: The announcement is truly ready now, so yeah...
20120106 09:36:02< Espreon> And now to leave. Bye.
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20120106 10:27:13< Ivanovic> moin
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20120106 10:34:00< Ivanovic> Espreon, shadowmaster: are you now *REALLY* done with the announcement?
20120106 10:34:06< Ivanovic> yes, it was meant to be hardfrozen
20120106 10:34:13< Ivanovic> just as the game was meant to be hardfrozen
20120106 10:34:31< Ivanovic> and every single change to the po files will delay the release of 1.10 for *AT KLEAST* two weeks
20120106 10:34:47< Ivanovic> since this is the time i promise the translators they'll have to catch up with any fixes
20120106 10:35:06< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: and i don't care about consistency of the man pages at this point
20120106 10:35:26< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: some freaking consistency issue in the manpages is *NOT* worth breaking the string freeze
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20120106 10:35:46< Ivanovic> only factual errors are allowed
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20120106 10:40:30-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: HARD string and feature-freeze active for trunk and the 1.10 announcment | 160 bugs, 330 feature requests, 13 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20120106 10:50:40< zookeeper> i guess i could commit those SoF portraits now...
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20120106 10:58:48< Ivanovic> for anything missing in the announcement: it is just TOO LATE
20120106 10:59:17< Ivanovic> there was enough time to get stuff added, it was announced on wesnoth-dev that you should now *really* work on stuff and months ago i already asked for help on the announcement
20120106 10:59:59< zookeeper> no worries, the announcement should already mention those
20120106 11:00:03< zookeeper> i just haven't gotten them in yet ;)
20120106 11:06:38< Ivanovic> zookeeper: this is not only directed to you but "some other people", too
20120106 11:12:39< gabba> Ivanovic: sorry I wasn't available during the holidays, too much stuff going on
20120106 11:13:17< gabba> so when you're gonna be releasing 1.10 exactly? Just so I know if I still have time to fix some bugs
20120106 11:14:59< Ivanovic> gabba: i plan to release rc1 really soon
20120106 11:15:14< gabba> Ivanovic: ok I see, the TOO LATE part is for the announcement because it has to be translated I guess
20120106 11:15:30< Ivanovic> my rule this time will be: you have to add either a bug report number or exaxct bug description for fixes between rc1 and 1.10
20120106 11:15:43< Ivanovic> gabba: it is for *everything* translateable
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20120106 11:16:11< gabba> Ivanovic: yeah, that I knew already, just didn't realize that the announcement was translated as well
20120106 11:16:23< CIA-85> zookeeper * r52502 /trunk/data/campaigns/Sceptre_of_Fire/images/portraits/ (10 files): Added LordBob's SoF portraits as well as pixelmind's dragon for Khrakrahs and kitty's young Haldric II.
20120106 11:16:34< gabba> Haven't added any string changes myself anyways
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20120106 11:17:47< CIA-85> zookeeper * r52503 /trunk/data/campaigns/Sceptre_of_Fire/images/campaign_image.png: Updated SoF's campaign image.
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20120106 11:28:49< CIA-85> zookeeper * r52504 /trunk/data/campaigns/Sceptre_of_Fire/scenarios/ (5_Hills_of_the_Shorbear_Clan.cfg Epilogue.cfg): Wired in Durstorn's insane portrait and Haldric II's old portrait.
20120106 11:28:58< zookeeper> that should do it.
20120106 11:30:19< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52505 /website/start/1.10/ (61 files in 2 dirs): 
20120106 11:30:19< CIA-85> updated the announcement translation po files
20120106 11:30:19< CIA-85> all site translated so far are no longer complete enough for generation of html pages!
20120106 11:45:20< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52506 /trunk/po/wesnoth-httt/nb_NO.po: updated Norwegian translation
20120106 11:45:40< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52507 /trunk/po/wesnoth-aoi/ (55 files): applied utils/pofix.py to the aoi translation files
20120106 11:51:51< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52508 /trunk/ (247 files in 27 dirs): 
20120106 11:51:51< CIA-85> pot-update (string changes in -help, -l and -utbs)
20120106 11:51:51< CIA-85> regenerated doc files
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20120106 12:02:39< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52509 /trunk/ (changelog doc/man/wesnoth.6): add corrected entries for the --campaign commandline switch to the manpage (fixed bug #19245)
20120106 12:04:18< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52510 /trunk/ (70 files in 17 dirs): 
20120106 12:04:18< CIA-85> pot-update (changes to the man pages, fixed --campaigns description and added correct entries)
20120106 12:04:18< CIA-85> regenerated doc files
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20120106 14:25:41< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52511 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-dw/zh_CN.po wesnoth-sof/zh_CN.po): updated Chinese (Simplified) translation
20120106 14:31:29< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52512 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): change the font used for CJK translations (part1)
20120106 14:39:32< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52513 /trunk/ (57 files in 2 dirs): 
20120106 14:39:33< CIA-85> change the font used for CJK translations (part2)
20120106 14:39:33< CIA-85> update of the entries in the po files
20120106 14:41:23< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52514 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): 
20120106 14:41:23< CIA-85> change the font used for CJK translations (part3)
20120106 14:41:23< CIA-85> changelog entry
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20120106 14:56:46< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52515 /website/start/1.10/ (index.en.html index.gl.html index.var po/gl.po): updated Galician announcement translation
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20120106 14:59:51< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52516 /trunk/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated Galician translation
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20120106 15:01:42< timotei> shadowmaster: --preprocessor in wesnoth.6 looks fine.
20120106 15:01:50< timotei> what exactly is a problem? :)
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20120106 15:02:53< timotei> ah, --preprocess-defines is missing xD
20120106 15:03:10< timotei> well, I can't fix that anymore. It's string freeze
20120106 15:03:43< timotei> is there a bug report on that, or should I create it?
20120106 15:04:31< Ivanovic> you should create it
20120106 15:10:50< Soliton> also s/macroses/macros/ and some article addition/removal.
20120106 15:18:16< Soliton> sentences like "This switch should be typed before ..." should be removed or reformulated to "... must appear before ...".
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20120106 16:14:06< Ivanovic> Soliton: not before 1.10!
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20120106 16:20:52< Gambit> Hmmm: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=35805
20120106 16:26:12< fendrin> Gambit: I don't really get his problem. Do you understand it?
20120106 16:26:30< Gambit> Basically: It's easy to overshoot the end turn button and scroll the map.
20120106 16:26:46< Gambit> If the end turn button extended all the way to the corner, it would be better.
20120106 16:26:46< Ivanovic> fendrin: many people leave "mouse scroll at window border" active
20120106 16:26:50< Gambit> You could click it blindly.
20120106 16:27:07< fendrin> I can do that.
20120106 16:27:11< Ivanovic> fendrin: the meaning is basically: extend the button area to the right and buttom of the screen
20120106 16:27:25< Ivanovic> so that in this area no scrolling can happen
20120106 16:27:50< fendrin> The clickable are can be bigger than the button itself.
20120106 16:29:02< fendrin> The problem is more that one needs to disable the scrolling area. That is more of a coding challenge.
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20120106 17:09:54< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52517 /trunk/ (14 files in 6 dirs): 
20120106 17:09:54< CIA-85> applied utils/wesnoth-optipng
20120106 17:09:54< CIA-85> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20120106 17:09:54< CIA-85> Original size: 2643 KiB on 14 files
20120106 17:09:54< CIA-85> Optimized size: 2520 KiB
20120106 17:09:54< CIA-85> Total saving: 122 KiB = 4% decrease
20120106 17:10:08< Ivanovic> zookeeper: could you check if the common tools like wmllint produce any (error) output when applied on trunk?
20120106 17:10:42< zookeeper> Ivanovic, umm, i don't think so, i can't even run those on this machine
20120106 17:10:51< Ivanovic> okay
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20120106 17:42:44< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: i actually ran wmllint and wmlscope on trunk recently, wml is clean :)
20120106 17:42:52< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: great!
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20120106 18:04:24< anonymissimus> yup runs clean; well there hasnt been much wml editing the last months I think
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20120106 18:49:47-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: HARD string and feature-freeze active for trunk and the 1.10 announcment | 161 bugs, 331 feature requests, 14 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20120106 18:55:22< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: wow, calm down. I never said I was going to change the man page.
20120106 18:55:40< shadowmaster> also, you were never very clear regarding the announcement on IRC
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20120106 19:06:52< anonymissimus> Gambit: capture_village needs no filter_location
20120106 19:07:05< Gambit> Hm?
20120106 19:07:17< anonymissimus> local locs = wesnoth.get_locations(cfg)
20120106 19:07:41< Gambit> Okay... and why are you telling me this?
20120106 19:07:51< anonymissimus> as opposed to	local locs = wesnoth.get_locations(helper.get_child(cfg, "filter_location"))
20120106 19:08:41< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: in particular, https://pastebin.com/9V6SSrbw
20120106 19:08:51< anonymissimus> 21:02, 8 November 2011 Gambit (Talk | contribs) (29,439 bytes) (→[capture_village]: [capture_village] needs [filter_location] now. It's no longer an SLF by itself.)
20120106 19:09:02< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: that was just two days ago, and the changes entered SVN the next day
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20120106 19:20:43< shadowmaster> It doesn't sound too hard to just change the release date for FOSDEM 2012, by the way.
20120106 19:22:40< shadowmaster> Ideally, RC 1 should be released this month, my announcement will be published in the forums, you'll get more testers and more bug reports, and RC 2 or gold will come out just in time for FOSDEM next month.
20120106 19:23:54< shadowmaster> although with that bug count and the poor bug-squashing work going on, I'd be more inclined towards a release date in July.
20120106 19:24:32< shadowmaster> (assuming wesbot exludes Postponed bugs)
20120106 19:28:25< shadowmaster> There's also one security bug remaining, and I consider it to be a very important blocker for 1.10 (should have been for 1.8 too, but since it wasn't reported in time that doesn't mean you can get away with ignoring it in this opportunity)
20120106 19:28:47< shadowmaster> A proper solution could involve a new translatable string.
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20120106 19:31:27< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: a couple of strings in wesnoth-manpages will regardless require unthawing if you update the copyright line.
20120106 19:32:00< shadowmaster> Since mordante hasn't appeared with his script yet, you may want to take care of that directly.
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20120106 19:32:49< shadowmaster> s/unthawing/thawing/
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20120106 19:48:14< shadowmaster> Actually, there isn't a need for a new string. All the other preprocessor diagnostics appear to use untranslatable messages for some reason.
20120106 19:50:03< shadowmaster> Still, it appears that the "let someone more knowledgeable handle it" principle doesn't work here.
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20120106 20:00:22< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: or for 1.10.0 this line simply is outdated
20120106 20:01:56< Ivanovic> and wesbot does not ignore bugs marked as postponed
20120106 20:02:05< Ivanovic> they are counted just as open bugs are (which is 100% correct)
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20120106 20:03:04< Ivanovic> personally i think it sufficient to have 2 weeks of testing rc1 before tagging 1.10.0
20120106 20:03:23< Ivanovic> that is: unless the amount of testers magically increases which i fear won't happen, even with your forum announcement
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20120106 20:03:33< Ivanovic> so yeah, there will be millions of bug reports once 1.10.0 is out
20120106 20:04:10< shadowmaster> I beg to differ, at this point in the development cycles it's better to ignore postponed bugs.
20120106 20:09:54< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: the bug counter does not tell too much anyway at this time
20120106 20:10:05< Ivanovic> for me the rate between incoming and fixed bugs is more relevant
20120106 20:10:25< Ivanovic> as is the amount of "bad" bugs that are regulary found as well as still outstanding
20120106 20:12:57< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52518 /trunk/ (changelog src/serialization/preprocessor.cpp): Solve security (denial of service) issue in the WML preprocessor (bug #19233)
20120106 20:15:46< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: and of course i can still delay a release of 1.10 in case the amount of reported bugs increases significantly (or if really bad ones are blocking us)
20120106 20:16:11< Ivanovic> but if stuff continue the way it seems to be going right now i think it fine to actually announce 1.10 at the last january weekend
20120106 20:16:32< Ivanovic> (yeah, already warned the translators that there might be one more string change in the announcement in case it has to be delayed a little)
20120106 20:16:50< shadowmaster> I did notice your emails, hence my response.
20120106 20:17:23< Ivanovic> but i'd try to keep any changes down to the bare minimum, especially changes involving changed strings
20120106 20:17:58< Ivanovic> and considering the tendency to just fix some more "style issues" this would otherwise potentially significantly delay a release which IMO is required
20120106 20:18:22< Ivanovic> (yeah, i think it healthy to start a new stable series where issues will finally be reported since more users test it)
20120106 20:21:52< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52519 /trunk/ (12 files in 9 dirs): updated German and Slovak translation
20120106 20:23:16< shadowmaster> have you regenerated the announcement's po files already?
20120106 20:23:42< Ivanovic> sure
20120106 20:23:47< Ivanovic> cf the i18n list
20120106 20:23:54< shadowmaster> I seem to be stuck with an outdated es.po
20120106 20:25:20< shadowmaster> that is, 60 translated strings of 60, which cannot be right
20120106 20:27:06< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: running make update-pot update-po fixes that, but I imagine that means you forgot to commit something
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20120106 20:27:28< Ivanovic> nope, everything was committed over here
20120106 20:27:35< Ivanovic> i am force regenerating the files again
20120106 20:27:46< Ivanovic> that is: i am using a plain "make"
20120106 20:27:49< shadowmaster> both po/es.po and po/gl.po were updated with the new strings after running that
20120106 20:28:01< Ivanovic> interesting, gl.po and es.po are the only updated ones
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20120106 20:30:14< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52520 /website/start/1.10/po/ (es.po gl.po wesnoth-start-1.10.pot): reran make since mysteriously es.po was not updated...
20120106 20:34:45< CIA-85> ivanovic * r52521 /website/start/1.10/ (index.de.html index.en.html index.gl.html index.var po/de.po): updated German announcement translation
20120106 20:35:51< Crendgrim> anonymissimus: by introducing [object]delayed_variable_substitution=yes the behavior of [tunnel] now remains unaffected, right?
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20120106 20:39:02< anonymissimus> Crendgrim: yes
20120106 20:39:16< Crendgrim> ouf. thanks
20120106 20:40:15< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: I cry about releasing 1.10 with 160 open bugs in the tracker :(
20120106 20:40:32< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: instead if crying try to fix some to reduce these numbers!
20120106 20:41:01< anonymissimus> i always tried
20120106 20:48:47< Ivanovic> eg stuff like this sounds much like a libsdl issue: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19247
20120106 20:49:02< Ivanovic> and/or of hotkeys mapped several times for various systems
20120106 20:57:38< shadowmaster> I assume the announcement won't include any more screenshots.
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20120106 21:08:14< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52522 /website/start/1.10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Update Spanish translation of the 1.10 announcement
20120106 21:10:35< CIA-85> shadowmaster * r52523 /website/start/1.10/ (index.es.html po/es.po): 
20120106 21:10:35< CIA-85> Update Spanish translation of the 1.10 announcement *again*
20120106 21:10:35< CIA-85> (Apparently I keep switching back to English when translating.)
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20120106 21:22:56< shadowmaster> "Also, don't be too strict with gui2. It is known to not be the most stable thing." Yay, amazingly unhelpful comments directed at users.
20120106 21:23:17< shadowmaster> Because users are somehow expected to know what that means anyway.
20120106 21:25:02< anonymissimus> I think he knows
20120106 21:26:16< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: I am tempted to mark https://gna.org/bugs/?19142 and https://gna.org/bugs/?19221 as blockers
20120106 21:26:46< anonymissimus> I expect a flood of wb mp bug reports once the mp server gets full
20120106 21:27:21< shadowmaster> I think you are more likely to get complaints in the forums rather than bug reports, like the last time with the new lobby crap.
20120106 21:28:30< anonymissimus> you are certainly right about that yes
20120106 21:29:56< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: there appear to be severe unsolved issues with controller switches + whiteboard as well (gabba told you, there's just no report for it)
20120106 21:38:31< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: i am aware that there are still issues with the whiteboard
20120106 21:38:42< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: but i am also aware that "just waiting" with the release won't fix the issues
20120106 21:39:06< Ivanovic> besides gabba already said that he'll now look into fixing bugs
20120106 21:39:34< Ivanovic> and yes, i am also aware that we will likely be flooded by whiteboard related bug reports in the forums at the beginning
20120106 21:40:06< Ivanovic> but just as with 1.8.x this is a case of "we asked for testers..." (plus noone is "forced" to use the whiteboard, so not identical to the situation with the mp lobby in 1.8)
20120106 21:41:11< anonymissimus> but there has always been a setting whether to use the old or new lobby
20120106 21:41:42< Ivanovic> no
20120106 21:41:45< anonymissimus> the default was the new in 1.8.0 and the old from 1.8.1 on IIRC
20120106 21:42:02< Ivanovic> this setting was no there in 1.8.0, it was made available as patch later on, after there were too many complaints
20120106 21:42:37< Ivanovic> the lobby was readded in 1.8.1
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20120106 22:46:39< Espreon> Ivanovic: Yes, it's done for realz now.
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20120106 23:33:39< CIA-85> LoW 19:
20120106 23:33:39< CIA-85> Removed Cleodil from the scenario setup.
20120106 23:33:39< CIA-85> Removed all code that was related to the no longer needed shaman line storage.
20120106 23:33:39< CIA-85> This fixes parts of bug #19236.
20120106 23:33:39< CIA-85> Removed the mp hack.
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20120106 23:57:57< CIA-85> espreon * r52529 /trunk/po/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Updated the British English translation.
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