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20120116 00:02:27< CIA-91> fendrin * r52613 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/chapter5/ (4 files): 
20120116 00:02:27< CIA-91> LoW 19,21,22,23
20120116 00:02:27< CIA-91> Redid the recruit list management of the last chapter.
20120116 00:02:27< CIA-91> Fix for bug #19236
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20120116 00:11:42< CIA-91> fendrin * r52614 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Added entries for the latest LoW fixes.
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20120116 00:25:09< anonymissimus> as for memory-related MP game bugs; I've been valgrinding an MP game to no avail, and the VS debugger did also never crash for me, although I've been running networked MP games frequently when investigating the bugs Soliton fixed
20120116 00:25:30< anonymissimus> so there is at least no principle problem
20120116 00:25:38< anonymissimus> on windows or Linux
20120116 00:26:43< anonymissimus> even after activating the wb :P
20120116 00:27:33< shadowm> I was trying to debug a WML issue (and failed spectacularly), using --log-debug=all, and later --log-debug=engine, and noticed that there's a lot of output when hovering hexes
20120116 00:28:15< shadowm> the output kind of implies there's a rather expensive operation going on every time, but that might be just someone writing crazy stuff in logger calls...
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20120116 00:28:45< shadowm> (adding unit/extract unit sequences)
20120116 00:29:21< Gambit> Bah. In name=defender_hits, the defender is apparently the second unit even though the even is named as if it is centric to the defender.
20120116 00:29:29< Gambit> *the event is named [...]
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20120116 00:31:49< anonymissimus> shadowm: thats the wb I think
20120116 00:32:13< shadowm> but I don't have it enabled
20120116 00:32:21< anonymissimus> it sort of calculates its planned map all the time though I haven't it even ebaled
20120116 00:32:30< anonymissimus> enabled
20120116 00:33:45< anonymissimus> some wb code is called nonetheless tschmitz said
20120116 00:34:12< anonymissimus> when you enable it, plan some actions, and disable it those actions remain
20120116 00:34:16< shadowm> ah well, I suppose it only becomes a problem with large maps with many units
20120116 00:34:28< anonymissimus> also, it can be temporarily enabled/disabled
20120116 00:34:35< anonymissimus> with planned actions remaining
20120116 00:34:50< shadowm> I have never enabled it in the last two days
20120116 00:34:53< anonymissimus> so I assume that is not a bug
20120116 00:35:33< shadowm> for the same reason, I can't have any planned actions
20120116 00:35:41< anonymissimus> well, having it never enabled in a scenario counts as the same as enabling and then disabling it probably
20120116 00:35:57< shadowm> unless delayed move paths count
20120116 00:36:01< shadowm> a.k.a. multiturn moves
20120116 00:37:41< anonymissimus> those are not a wb functionality I think
20120116 00:38:22< anonymissimus> they existed before already however
20120116 00:41:50< shadowm> I am well aware they have existed since as far as I can remember.
20120116 00:42:11< anonymissimus> I know, I just tell you to annoy you
20120116 00:42:17< shadowm> The question is whether they were assimilated by the whiteboard code.
20120116 00:43:51< shadowm> This is it for the test scenario and none of the units involved have a set path: https://pastebin.com/mDssxsEM
20120116 00:44:11< shadowm> They are not even on the hovered hexes or adjacent to them.
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20120116 00:51:03< CIA-91> anonymissimus * r52615 /trunk/changelog: changelog update
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20120116 05:58:47< CIA-91> shadowmaster * r52616 /trunk/ (changelog src/about.cpp): Reset game credits instead of appending on WML cache refresh (fixes bug #19292)
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20120116 06:52:43< CIA-91> fendrin * r52617 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
20120116 06:52:43< CIA-91> LoW 01,16,17
20120116 06:52:43< CIA-91> Replaced the Landar speech hack with another hack.
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20120116 08:06:00< fendrin> wesbot: seen crab_?
20120116 08:06:00< wesbot> fendrin: Person, who 8d 12h ago used nick Crab_, last spoke 8d 10h ago.  7d 11h ago as Crab___ they left with the message: Client Quit
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20120116 08:20:38< Espreon> anonymissimus: Yeah, it was on Linux.
20120116 08:21:43< Espreon> ... blargh, I screwed the comment up.
20120116 08:22:12< Espreon> Note to self: proofread these things before hitting "Submit" since my subconscious is too powahful.
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20120116 08:41:32< CIA-91> espreon * r52618 /trunk/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Updated the Finnish translation.
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20120116 08:47:05< CIA-91> espreon * r52619 /trunk/po/wesnoth-tutorial/fi.po: Updated the Finnish translation.
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20120116 17:17:52< CIA-45> espreon * r52620 /trunk/po/wesnoth-help/fi.po: Updated the Finnish translation.
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20120116 18:59:28< timotei> great
20120116 18:59:37< timotei> I've git reset an already pushed change
20120116 18:59:45< timotei> let's hope I don't break the svn
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20120116 19:05:22< loonycyborg> timotei: Probably you'll just get it back on next git svn rebase.
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20120116 19:06:04< loonycyborg> But who knows..
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20120116 19:06:15< timotei> yeah, we'll see soon xD
20120116 19:07:53< shadowm> anonymissimus: your bug report doesn't belong in Website or any other forum section for that matter.
20120116 19:09:07< anonymissimus> well is there any place where forum bugs should be reported ?
20120116 19:09:12< shadowm> phpBB.com
20120116 19:09:36< shadowm> of course, you will be required to reproduce them with the latest mainline version first
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20120116 19:11:12< shadowm> boucman: hi!
20120116 19:11:18< boucman> hey
20120116 19:11:40< shadowm> how goes the bugfix for https://gna.org/bugs/?19274 ? :)
20120116 19:12:30< shadowm> s/(bugfix)/$1 or detailed response of some sort/
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20120116 19:17:23< boucman> havn't started, i'm really short on time until FOSDEM i'm afraid
20120116 19:17:41< boucman> I'll do my best and it's still flaged as urgent, but i'm really overbooked right now
20120116 19:17:59< shadowm> damn
20120116 19:18:06< shadowm> that means it'll miss 1.10 :(
20120116 19:18:25< boucman> ...
20120116 19:18:32< boucman> when is 1.10 expected ?
20120116 19:18:44< shadowm> to be tagged this Sunday
20120116 19:18:49< boucman> ouch
20120116 19:18:57< boucman> i'll try to do it before that, but no promises
20120116 19:19:14< shadowm> I think I figured out a workaround with a similar piece of animation code, but I've yet to try it out
20120116 19:20:03< shadowm> s/Sunday/Saturday/
20120116 19:20:10< shadowm> timotei: hi
20120116 19:20:14< shadowm> timotei: Gambit is looking for you
20120116 19:20:23< timotei> shadowm: hi
20120116 19:20:23< Gambit> Oh hey timotei!
20120116 19:20:23< shadowm> for some reason he can't see you
20120116 19:20:29< timotei> shadowm: ah :D
20120116 19:20:32< timotei> Gambit: hi there :)
20120116 19:20:32< Gambit> timotei: What's the username and password for the youtube account?
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20120116 19:20:36< Gambit> Query me please
20120116 19:20:38< timotei> one sec
20120116 19:21:01< timotei> let me recall where I wrote it 
20120116 19:21:12< shadowm> Gambit: unless you intend to keep that information to yourself, wouldn't creating the video yourself and asking him to upload it be a better option?
20120116 19:22:03< Gambit> shadowm: no
20120116 19:22:11< Gambit> timotei could get hit by a bus or become ill at any moment
20120116 19:22:20< shadowm> so could you
20120116 19:22:28< shadowm> although if the former happens, it won't be an accident
20120116 19:22:36 * anonymissimus is curious about the branching effects when 1.10 is out
20120116 19:22:41< Gambit> Also I why would we waste 2x as much bandwidth uploading 1 video 
20120116 19:23:01< anonymissimus> i hope it turns out well in my local repos
20120116 19:23:31< Gambit> shadowm: I'll share them with you
20120116 19:23:35< shadowm> anonymissimus: same as last time with 1.8; affter tagging 1.8, trunk was frozen for a few days until it was later branched into 1.8 and the version switched to 1.9.0-svn
20120116 19:23:37< Gambit> You're immortal. We all know this.
20120116 19:23:51< shadowm> Gambit: I don't have a use for youtube account credentials. I can barely use my own.
20120116 19:23:54< timotei> Gambit: first pls check if it works
20120116 19:24:26< shadowm> anonymissimus: assuming your git-svn tree was copied from the one in files.wesnoth.org, it should work automatically if you use git svn fetch
20120116 19:24:36< Gambit> Hmmm
20120116 19:24:43< Gambit> timotei: It works
20120116 19:24:48< timotei> k
20120116 19:24:51< Gambit> But it is unfortunate that you tied it to  your own account
20120116 19:24:53< Gambit> Hmmm
20120116 19:24:58< timotei> no
20120116 19:25:00< Gambit> Is it a separate google account?
20120116 19:25:04< timotei> it's tied to the 
20120116 19:25:12< timotei> thebattleforwesnoth at gmail.com
20120116 19:25:15< timotei> iirc
20120116 19:25:29< Gambit> Okay so just the recovery email address is tied to you
20120116 19:25:36< timotei> IDK
20120116 19:25:41< Gambit> We should change that to an @wesnoth.org email probably
20120116 19:25:43< timotei> You could add your email there
20120116 19:25:47< anonymissimus> I hope you're right; however I also refer to the umc dev repo
20120116 19:25:47< timotei> and your mobile phone also
20120116 19:25:54< shadowm> anonymissimus: I personally use a script to git svn fetch all the time before rebasing trees, because the more time that passes without a global fetch, the more costly it becomes in terms of time and bandwidth use.
20120116 19:26:12< shadowm> No, Wesnoth-UMC-Dev's layout isn't adequate for git-svn, hence we don't provide any reference trees.
20120116 19:26:43< shadowm> My AtS tree only tracks trunk, for example.
20120116 19:27:01< anonymissimus> well I dont relly have an idea what you are talking about, and pls dont try to explain it...
20120116 19:27:22 * shadowm raises eyebrow.
20120116 19:27:44< timotei> xD
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20120116 19:43:56< fendrin> hi
20120116 19:44:32< timotei> hi fendrin 
20120116 19:46:57< fendrin> hi timotei
20120116 19:47:41< fendrin> Damn, this Saturday already.
20120116 19:48:50< CIA-45> ivanovic * r52621 /website/start/1.10/ (index.fr.html po/fr.po po/wesnoth-start-1.10.pot): updated French announcement translation
20120116 19:50:57< CIA-45> ivanovic * r52622 /trunk/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated French translation
20120116 19:51:54< Ivanovic> fendrin: not sure yet, depends on gabba and the whiteboard fixes since i'd like to at least have those in
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20120116 20:00:31< anonymissimus> fendrin: under pressure now to get things fixed ? :P
20120116 20:01:19< anonymissimus> esr: around ?
20120116 20:01:27< timotei> ok, let's see if I break anything
20120116 20:02:28< anonymissimus> esr: of you run wmllint on current trunk, you should see that the lua code I added in data/multiplayer/scenarios/2p_Hornshark_Island.cfg confuses it
20120116 20:03:23< vultraz> anonymissimus: BTW is TEG finished?
20120116 20:03:47< anonymissimus> it seems to consider [side_number] as an opening tag; I wonder why it doesn't simply ignore everything until the [/lua] tag is reached
20120116 20:04:06< anonymissimus> vultraz: my campagin ? hell no
20120116 20:04:27< vultraz> I thought not :P
20120116 20:04:38< anonymissimus> I'm gonna add a scenario or 2 each year perhaps
20120116 20:04:44< vultraz> still seems to be on Wesnoth Soldiers 
20120116 20:04:47< CIA-45> timotei * r52623 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/ (3 files in 2 dirs): eclipse plugin: Add the end bracket for the tag when is not already written
20120116 20:04:52< CIA-45> timotei * r52624 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/wml/SimpleWMLParser.java: eclipse plugin: Fix a possible Null Pointer Exception in case the file contains a tag without a name (e.g [])
20120116 20:04:55< vultraz> each...year O_o
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20120116 20:05:09< timotei> loonycyborg: ok, so git managed to get over it. Yay!
20120116 20:05:09< CIA-45> timotei * r52625 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/ (54 files in 10 dirs): eclipse plugin: tweak the grammar so each WMLKey will have just one line ending, not more
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20120116 20:05:20< CIA-45> timotei * r52626 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth.ui/src/org/wesnoth/ui/contentassist/WMLProposalProvider.java: eclipse plugin: Fix the proposal provider to provide the correct indentation
20120116 20:05:28< timotei> ok, this should make the ide more usable :D
20120116 20:05:29< loonycyborg> Great! :)
20120116 20:05:37< anonymissimus> I'm a mainline dev, there's 167 bugs in the tracker and I cannot stand every single one of them
20120116 20:05:42< anonymissimus> 157
20120116 20:05:59< timotei> Ivanovic: so, 1.10 final this sunday?
20120116 20:06:07< Ivanovic> saturday
20120116 20:06:11< timotei> k
20120116 20:06:25< Ivanovic> *IF* gabba gets the whiteboard issues (the two ones still open) fixed
20120116 20:06:28< vultraz> I thought that number would go down drastically around 1.10's release. apparently not
20120116 20:06:37< vultraz> (the bugs)
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20120116 20:07:21< anonymissimus> vultraz: pls set up your dev environment to work on those bugs so they may go down some more hopefully
20120116 20:08:02< vultraz> yeah, it compiled successfully :D
20120116 20:09:05< timotei> so, we've got a new member? :P
20120116 20:09:14< timotei> vultraz: you were a translator before, right?
20120116 20:09:20< timotei> (probably still are)
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20120116 20:10:01< vultraz> timotei: uh..sure you're not confusing me with someone else? I was never anything.....
20120116 20:10:24< timotei> sorry then
20120116 20:10:34< vultraz> ;)
20120116 20:10:43< timotei> then a forum regular?
20120116 20:12:04< vultraz> nope....nobody
20120116 20:12:06< vultraz> :P
20120116 20:12:16< anonymissimus> vultraz: ok then...start exploring the source code...for instance, it is perhaps easy to add support for some of those lua dialog widgets
20120116 20:12:28< anonymissimus> which didnt work for you lately
20120116 20:12:49< fendrin> anonymissimus: Not quite, all my bugs are either fixed or postponed for a good reason. It's that I like to read once more through all the code of LoW before I am calm.
20120116 20:13:55< fendrin> Ivanovic: I guess it will be another release candidate or are you going for the real thing directly?
20120116 20:14:04< anonymissimus> fendrin: and this: http://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19066 ?
20120116 20:14:13< Ivanovic> fendrin: so far i have seen *nothing* speaking for another rc being required
20120116 20:15:31< fendrin> Ivanovic: Nice.
20120116 20:17:15< fendrin> anonymissimus: I guess the "bug" is quite how crab_ designed the scenario to work. If the player is above a certain amount of units in the area of the Ka'lian the orcs will group around the northern castle. This is even communicated to the player.
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20120116 20:18:43< fendrin> anonymissimus: And this does make sense for them from a tactical point of view. Holding the line until their reenforcements arrival when attacking the castle from water is aussichtslos.
20120116 20:20:38< boucman> shadowm: ok, I see what's going on, i'll document in the bug . It's a won't fix, a border case we'll have to live with
20120116 20:24:18< boucman> I documented it in the bug, ping me if you have any question
20120116 20:26:14< shadowm_laptop> :(
20120116 20:26:23< shadowm_laptop> boucman: well, in any case the WML in mainline needs to be fixed!
20120116 20:27:54< shadowm_laptop> yeah, your recommendation is exactly what I figured out last night
20120116 20:29:01< boucman> great :) now you know it's actually the correct fix :P
20120116 20:29:31< shadowm_laptop> :P
20120116 20:31:18< vultraz> XD
20120116 20:33:52< shadowm_laptop> ugh, this baseframe
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20120116 20:35:11< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20120116 20:35:14< Ivanovic> long time no see!
20120116 20:35:17< mordante> servus
20120116 20:35:23< mordante> Ivanovic, yeah too long :-(
20120116 20:35:50< mordante> fendrin, you were looking for me?
20120116 20:36:09< mordante> shadowm you were looking for me
20120116 20:36:15< mordante> did I miss a lot?
20120116 20:36:19< shadowm_laptop> potentially
20120116 20:36:22< Ivanovic> of course you did!
20120116 20:36:28< shadowm> I don't remember at this point.
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20120116 20:39:52< anonymissimus> shadowm_laptop: why did you in intf_highlight_hex call gane__display::display_unit_hex, even though intf_select_hex already calls that function indirectly ?
20120116 20:40:31< shadowm> I don't remember.
20120116 20:41:19< anonymissimus> hm
20120116 20:41:23< shadowm> I don't even remember what the function you mentioned does.
20120116 20:47:39< mordante> shadowm, do you still want me to look at https://gna.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=18928 ?
20120116 20:51:00< anonymissimus> mordante: :)
20120116 20:51:02< shadowm> Since it's already fixed as far as I'm concerned, I'd not ask you to do that unless you were really bored and couldn't find anything better to do than trying to figure out a reasonable explanation for the bug.
20120116 20:51:21< mordante> hi anonymissimus 
20120116 20:51:45< shadowm> Your prolonged absence probably indicates that you indeed have better things to do. :)
20120116 20:52:03< mordante> not better per se, but other things to do
20120116 20:55:22< mordante> Rhonda, nice to see your logs back :-)
20120116 20:55:52< mordante> thanks for booking the room Ivanovic 
20120116 20:55:58< Ivanovic> np
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20120116 20:57:17< mordante> Gambit, regarding http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20566997/images/wesnoth/messageoption.png how to reproduce it? is it an addon on the server?
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20120116 20:59:36< anonymissimus> mordante: thats his addon Gambciv, yes
20120116 21:00:37< mordante> ok thanks
20120116 21:01:17< Ivanovic> for those not following the fosdem games devroom mailing list: http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/track/open_source_game_development_devroom
20120116 21:01:25< Ivanovic> IMO a nice list of talks for sunday
20120116 21:02:45< shadowm> not enough Wesnoth for my taste
20120116 21:03:20< Ivanovic> shadowm: for wesnoth there is all of saturday as well as friday evening
20120116 21:03:52< anonymissimus> sounds boring
20120116 21:04:27< anonymissimus> and indeed way to few wesnoth
20120116 21:05:13< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: there was only one wesnoth proposal sent after the call for speakers
20120116 21:05:18< Ivanovic> so there was no option to add more
20120116 21:05:19< Ivanovic> ;)
20120116 21:05:31< mordante> alink I think we can do deprected tests with static asserts, maybe file a FR and assign it to me
20120116 21:06:55< shadowm> will boucman's talk be recorded and posted online, though?
20120116 21:07:19< boucman> btw, shadowm, do you have a minute to discuss balance ?
20120116 21:07:20< Ivanovic> shadowm: i don't have any equipment to do so though asked for this on the ML
20120116 21:07:21< shadowm> I'm really curious what he's got to say about balancing after certain offocial statements on the matter :p
20120116 21:07:29< shadowm> boucman: I don't know about balance.
20120116 21:07:41< Ivanovic> worst case: no recording, best case: someone comes up who can do the recordings
20120116 21:07:42< boucman> you do balance SP stuff, don't you ?
20120116 21:07:43< mordante> Gambit, shadowm I implemented the * stuff in the terrain system, then later mog made the separation between base and overlay terrains
20120116 21:08:07< mordante> not sure whether he adapted the wildcard matching as well
20120116 21:08:15< boucman> shadowm, It's more about "how we balance" than the balance itself...
20120116 21:08:28< shadowm> boucman: for my user-made campaigns, yes, although evidence indicates it doesn't work very well most of the time :p
20120116 21:08:42< boucman> cool, msging you now..
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20120116 21:09:50< shadowm> mordante: ah
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20120116 21:22:29< vultraz> mordante: does a listbox take height/width keys?
20120116 21:25:26< mordante> vultraz, the listbox or its elements
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20120116 21:28:39< vultraz> mordante: er.....that listbox I guess... I'm trying to figure a way to make everything in it no wider than something
20120116 21:36:55< mordante> since the goal was for everything to find its best size it's not that easy to limit the size
20120116 21:37:05< mordante> could you explain more about your usecase?
20120116 21:39:02< vultraz> http://pastebin.com/HFvqLWDf
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20120116 21:39:49< vultraz> I don't want the options to expand indefinitely with the length of the description 
20120116 21:40:18< vultraz> I was hoping they'd wrap to the next line
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20120116 21:41:21< mordante> you can give the dialogue a maximum size and you need to set the wrap flag on a label
20120116 21:41:28< mordante> no idea how to do that in Lua
20120116 21:42:17< shadowm> just swtting maximum_width and maximum_height for the dialog as usual
20120116 21:43:32< mordante> yeah but I've no idea how it's implemented in Lua
20120116 21:43:44< shadowm> example from last night: https://pastebin.com/LEZcrtfr
20120116 21:44:45< shadowm> (everything except the maximum_width/maximun_height attributes are stolen from WLP)
20120116 21:45:47< shadowm> anonymissimus: oh yeah, about that: the alert dialog in WLP trunk is missing a border_size specification for the OK button
20120116 21:46:05< shadowm> and a border specification too
20120116 21:46:11< vultraz> I think definition= "title" makes a label big gold, not growth_factor
20120116 21:46:25< vultraz> that's what works for me
20120116 21:46:31< shadowm> yeah, that comment is also from WLP
20120116 21:46:43< anonymissimus> shadowm: report to elvish_hunter pls
20120116 21:47:01< shadowm> oh, you are not the maintainer?
20120116 21:47:01< anonymissimus> I have nothign to do with the WLP lua dialogs
20120116 21:47:11< shadowm> hm... okay.
20120116 21:47:19< mordante> I'm off night
20120116 21:47:21< shadowm> wesbot: seen Elvish_Hunter
20120116 21:47:21< wesbot> shadowm: The person with the nick Elvish_Hunter 10h 40m ago was on the channel #wesnoth-umc-dev, which I later left.
20120116 21:47:29< shadowm> that will probably do
20120116 21:47:34< anonymissimus> well, sort-of, but it is as if you would require me to fix things in gui2 instead mordante
20120116 21:47:39< shadowm> wesbot: why did you leave it?
20120116 21:48:20< shadowm> hm, wesbot *is* in there
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20120116 21:48:45< shadowm> I guess that is supposed to mean it left and when it returned E_H wasn't around anymoer
20120116 21:49:20< shadowm> anonymissimus: ah, so that means I can count of you if E_H disappears! great! :)
20120116 21:49:29< shadowm> s/of/on/
20120116 21:49:32< anonymissimus> no....
20120116 21:49:48< anonymissimus> just as I wouldnt fix gui2 bugs in case mordante disappears
20120116 21:49:58< shadowm> :)
20120116 21:50:20< anonymissimus> but if I were you i'd write bug reports in the WLP forum thread
20120116 21:50:29< shadowm> just noting that using mainline Wesnoth as an analogy for a random two-people UMC project is hilarious at best
20120116 21:50:33< anonymissimus> hes very likely to read it
20120116 21:50:47< anonymissimus> or just fix it yourself if its little enough
20120116 21:51:14< anonymissimus> its not two people
20120116 21:51:27< shadowm> n people where n < 10
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20120116 21:53:30< vultraz> ah...got it: wrap = "true"
20120116 21:54:23< shadowm> the patch that made it possible to set a flag to define whether a widget uses Pango markup or not in WML and Lua was rejected, right?
20120116 21:56:11< shadowm> ah, found it. It was indeed rejected.
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