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20120117 02:37:03< CIA-45> gabba * r52627 /trunk/src/tests/test_unit_map.cpp: A few unit tests to help verify exactly how the unit map works.
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20120117 04:02:51< AI0867> anonymissimus: uploading with translate=true should cause it to be uploaded to wescamp when someone next runs wescamp.py
20120117 04:03:05< AI0867> I'll try to take a look at wmlxgettext for lua
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20120117 04:35:28< CIA-45> gabba * r52628 /trunk/src/whiteboard/manager.cpp: 
20120117 04:35:28< CIA-45> Don't build unit map when in linger mode or when we're an observer.
20120117 04:35:28< CIA-45> Fixes bug #19221.
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20120117 10:04:19< fabi> shadowm: Hi, I am a little concerned about the forum account name "wtf_is_this". The user is acting fine as far as I have seen but I don't think that we want to have more users using shortcuts like this. What do you think?
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20120117 11:22:06< Ivanovic> moin
20120117 11:33:18< CIA-45> ivanovic * r52629 /trunk/ (8 files in 7 dirs): 
20120117 11:33:18< CIA-45> updated Hungarian translation
20120117 11:33:18< CIA-45> changelog style fixes
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20120117 13:01:31< CIA-45> ai0867 * r52630 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/index.php: Fix an undefined variable
20120117 13:12:53< CIA-45> ivanovic * r52631 /trunk/po/ (8 files in 8 dirs): updated Italian translation
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20120117 15:39:39< anonymissimus> zookeeper: [multiplayer_scenario] ?
20120117 15:39:58< anonymissimus> [multiplayer] I suppose
20120117 15:41:44< anonymissimus> or [multiplayer] - scenarios thats probably what you wanted to write
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20120117 15:51:51< Gambit> Ivanovic, Espreon: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35912
20120117 15:52:32< Ivanovic> clearly against this for game translations
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20120117 15:57:03< CIA-45> anonymissimus * r52632 /trunk/src/ (mouse_events.cpp mouse_events.hpp scripting/lua.cpp): 
20120117 15:57:03< CIA-45> Rework wesnoth.select_hex implementation (bug #19224, bug #16819).
20120117 15:57:03< CIA-45> Bind it to mouse_handler::select_hex rather than game_display and
20120117 15:57:03< CIA-45> display functions. Matches more the original intention (work like
20120117 15:57:04< CIA-45> a user click).
20120117 15:57:11< CIA-45> anonymissimus * r52633 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Propagate wesnoth.select_hex changes to [select_unit] (fix for bug #19224, bug #16819)
20120117 15:57:26< CIA-45> anonymissimus * r52634 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: 
20120117 15:57:27< CIA-45> deprecate useless confusing wesnoth.highlight_hex
20120117 15:57:27< CIA-45> Its functionality is basically covered by select_hex.
20120117 15:57:42< CIA-45> anonymissimus * r52635 /trunk/changelog: changelog update
20120117 16:01:05< anonymissimus> I could as well suggest to use java instead of C++ in wesnoth ^^
20120117 16:01:23< anonymissimus> thats what freecol uses
20120117 16:03:08< anonymissimus> depends on whether he actually meant FreeCel though
20120117 16:16:29< anonymissimus> wesbot: topic
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20120117 17:03:23< zookeeper> anonymissimus, right
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20120117 17:26:46< loonycyborg> anonymissimus: freecol is rather slow. It's a live proof that using C++ for wesnoth is a good idea :P
20120117 17:28:08< gabba> what's freecol coded in?
20120117 17:29:17< loonycyborg> Java.
20120117 17:30:41< loonycyborg> Last time I tried to play it I had to pass a command-line arg that made it somewhat slow instead of dog-slow :P
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20120117 17:34:26< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: but freecol works on non-Linux that's it
20120117 17:35:41< anonymissimus> I imagine that it wouldnt be too good for wesnoth perhaps, since wesnoth does such a lot of string-parsing
20120117 17:37:11< anonymissimus> open source coded in C++ tends to constantly work worse on non-linux systems, thats not only true for wesnoth, and is the main disadvantage of C++
20120117 17:39:39< loonycyborg> I wouldn't say so.
20120117 17:40:25< loonycyborg> Besides, java probably has a lot of platform specific problems too.
20120117 17:46:50< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: you dont say that because you dont like booting into windows
20120117 17:47:30< anonymissimus> anyway, I found quite some buggyness in freecol as well...
20120117 17:51:38< anonymissimus> gabba: the tests you added run ok in MSVC
20120117 17:52:46< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: do you know what these kind of git errors mean:
20120117 17:52:50< anonymissimus> RA layer request failed: REPORT request failed on '/svnroot/wesnoth-umc-dev/!svn
20120117 17:52:52< anonymissimus> /vcc/default': REPORT of '/svnroot/wesnoth-umc-dev/!svn/vcc/default': Could not
20120117 17:52:53< anonymissimus> read response body: Connection reset by peer (http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourcef
20120117 17:53:31< anonymissimus> i got them several times now in several projects, usually it happens on revisions which commit at lot of binary files
20120117 17:54:37< Soliton> clearly svn and not git errors.
20120117 17:55:09< anonymissimus> and I get these also on Linux, so not system-dependent
20120117 17:55:11< Soliton> probably just a connection issue.
20120117 17:55:50< anonymissimus> but I got it also when I tried again after some days and such
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20120117 17:58:40< anonymissimus> it happens when trying to clone a remote svn repo (in this case it's the silver lands from wesnoth umc dev)
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20120117 17:59:24< loonycyborg> anonymissimus: I agree that it's probably a connection issue.
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20120117 17:59:31< anonymissimus> I could work around it in one case by truncating the checked-out history
20120117 18:00:18< anonymissimus> that is, checking out only the history starting with after the problematic revision, which apparently committed too much binary data
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20120117 18:35:18< anonymissimus> Espreon: I cannot reproduce bug #19018 with TSL trunk
20120117 18:39:25< anonymissimus> hm ok seems enough to use replace_map with an empty map in any scenario with units
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20120117 18:49:34< shadowm> fabi: "shortcuts"?
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20120117 18:59:29< Soliton> abbreviations presumably.
20120117 19:01:36< shadowm> I don't think there's anything that can be done in that case.
20120117 19:07:34< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: here you have something that should be a blocker IMHO: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=35909&p=518789#p518789
20120117 19:08:17< anonymissimus> the bug report is https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19083
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20120117 19:16:42< shadowm> anonymissimus: so why don't you mark it as such?
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20120117 19:20:17< anonymissimus> shadowm: because it's IMHO
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20120117 19:21:24< anonymissimus> it was present in 1.8 as well, but the form was less sever, actually
20120117 19:23:39< anonymissimus> (of course it has the nice side effect that more bugs in general can be fixed until 1.10 :))
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20120117 20:03:55< Espreon> anonymissimus: That's because I worked around the issue in TSL.
20120117 20:04:21< Espreon> Gambit: Hmmm, I don't like that idea either.
20120117 20:04:41< Gambit> Espreon: well please explain it to him
20120117 20:26:00< Espreon> anonymissimus: So yeah, the two issues with the engine mentioned in that bug report are still around.
20120117 20:27:41< anonymissimus> two ?
20120117 20:28:09< anonymissimus> and do you think using an empty map should be a supported feature; if yes, why ?
20120117 20:28:25< Rhonda> "I like playing with console than with pc (even if a couple of nights ago I was up until 5.54 am playing wesnoth!)"
20120117 20:28:33< Espreon> anonymissimus: I do not.
20120117 20:28:57< Espreon> anonymissimus: I think that an error should be thrown when someone attempts to replace the map with one that does not exist or is invalid.
20120117 20:29:33< Espreon> Ya know, so one doesn't wonder why things are exploding.
20120117 20:29:44< Espreon> ... but I guess I'm insane, so whatever.
20120117 20:29:52< Ivanovic> Soliton: what do you as mp player think of bug #19083 ?
20120117 20:29:56< Ivanovic> re, btw
20120117 20:32:48< Espreon> anonymissimus: But, of course, if making it do that would slow things down... yeah...
20120117 20:33:03< anonymissimus> Espreon: no, certainly not
20120117 20:33:22< anonymissimus> atm I am just afraid that there could be legal uses for an empty map
20120117 20:33:49< Espreon> Hoo boy.
20120117 20:34:16< Soliton> Ivanovic: certainly pretty bad. would be great to get that fixed someway before 1.10.
20120117 20:34:56< Soliton> if gabba is right with his description there that might not be so easy though...
20120117 20:35:17< anonymissimus> ok, we just got an rc2 I guess :)
20120117 20:36:05< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: there is a *really* fast and simple fix for this:
20120117 20:36:09< Ivanovic> remove support of timed games
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20120117 22:09:16< CIA-45> espreon * r52636 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-anl/fi.po wesnoth-manpages/fi.po): Updated the Finnish translation.
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20120117 23:24:34< CIA-45> crab * r52637 /trunk/src/unit_id.cpp: 
20120117 23:24:34< CIA-45> Change the initial value of fake_id to 2^32-1. As the values of fake_id go down,
20120117 23:24:34< CIA-45> all of them now survive serialization to config and static_cast<int> without
20120117 23:24:34< CIA-45> chopping off the first bits. This fixes 2nd item of Gabba's email to wesnoth-dev
20120117 23:24:34< CIA-45> ML, avoiding unit map errors when a unit was inserted with original value but
20120117 23:24:35< CIA-45> removed with a truncated value
20120117 23:26:58< CIA-45> anonymissimus * r52638 /trunk/src/ (game_events.cpp map.cpp map.hpp): Introduce parameter allow_invalid in gamemap::read (fix for bug #19018)
20120117 23:27:40< CIA-45> anonymissimus * r52639 /trunk/src/map.cpp: 
20120117 23:27:40< CIA-45> Set total_width, *height to 0 in case of an empty map.
20120117 23:27:40< CIA-45> Seems like an oversight from the times when there was no border.
20120117 23:28:10< CIA-45> anonymissimus * r52640 /trunk/src/map.cpp: 
20120117 23:28:10< CIA-45> Require loaded maps to have at least 1 (non-border) hex (bug #19018)
20120117 23:28:10< CIA-45> (This new translatable string is only visible/useful for wml authors,
20120117 23:28:10< CIA-45> and we have lots on untranslated wml error messages anyway; also
20120117 23:28:10< CIA-45> they really don't need to be translatable)
20120117 23:28:39< CIA-45> anonymissimus * r52641 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: improve an error message (bug #19018)
20120117 23:29:04< CIA-45> anonymissimus * r52642 /trunk/changelog: changelog update
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20120117 23:39:45< anonymissimus> wesbot: topic
20120117 23:39:47-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: HARD string and feature-freeze active for trunk and the 1.10 announcment | 153 bugs, 334 feature requests, 15 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20120117 23:42:15< Espreon> anonymissimus: The error message you made is a bit blargh.
20120117 23:44:00< Espreon> anonymissimus: ... fix it.
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20120117 23:45:08< Espreon> ... The translators shouldn't have to deal with more crappy strings.
20120117 23:45:57< shadowm> The translators shouldn't have to deal with new strings either. Back it out.
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20120117 23:51:46< anonymissimus> is it better to have an untranslatable error message instead of a translatable one which just doesnt have a translation ?
20120117 23:53:02< anonymissimus> I don't expect them to deal with it
20120117 23:53:12< Espreon> At least make the string not suck.
20120117 23:54:09< Crab___> for the release, yes. untranslatable is better if the 'strings won't change' guarantee was given. Might only matter if the string files are regenerated for whatever reason, of course. I guess Ivanovic has the final call here.
20120117 23:55:42< anonymissimus> Espreon: you can fix things yourself, then you can make error messages
20120117 23:58:59< Espreon> anonymissimus: Or I could just make it untranslatable.
20120117 23:59:54< CIA-45> anonymissimus * r52643 /trunk/src/map.cpp: replace translatable blargh error message with untranslatable blargh one
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