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20120128 00:08:49< stikonas> why does wesnoth rss channel already advertises 1.10 release?
20120128 00:09:41< stikonas> Ivanovic: ^^ (see http://feed43.com/wesnoth.xml)
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20120128 00:32:23< shadowm> Because it's commented out in the HTML.
20120128 00:32:42< shadowm> feed43.com apparently doesn't care
20120128 00:36:29< shadowm> I have moved it above to see if it'll ignore it that way, but since the feed is cached it'll take a while
20120128 00:46:04< Ivanovic> honestly, this rss feed stuff just sucks
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20120128 05:58:53< Aethaeryn> Okay, since [set_menu_item] hardcodes to a limit of 7, and since everything right click except for [set_menu_item] has a hotkey, why not have [set_menu_item] hotkeys for 1-7?
20120128 05:58:59< Aethaeryn> e.g. alt+1 through alt+7
20120128 06:00:40< Aethaeryn> actually, even just 1-7, not alt+1 to alt+7
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20120128 06:21:50< shadowm> patches welcome!
20120128 06:22:28< Aethaeryn> shadowm: Well, I just wasn't sure if there was a reason for it not to be there
20120128 06:22:45< Aethaeryn> I'm not writing a patch for something that was rejected for a reason
20120128 06:22:55< shadowm> the reason is simply: the hotkey system sucks
20120128 06:23:11< Aethaeryn> Sucks to code for?
20120128 06:23:31< shadowm> and to not break things for users too
20120128 06:23:34< shadowm> note that alt+<n> are used in the map editor to set starting positions
20120128 06:23:48< shadowm> <n> are used to scroll to starting positions
20120128 06:24:12< shadowm> (and also to show movement ranges in-game, IIRC)
20120128 06:24:44< Aethaeryn> Okay
20120128 06:24:44< Aethaeryn> But you can't set custom right clicks via add-ons in the editor <_<
20120128 06:25:12< Aethaeryn> I just picked some random stuff not in the definable hotkey thing
20120128 06:25:27< Aethaeryn> It can be !@#$%^& for all I care
20120128 06:25:46< Aethaeryn> It's just annoying to have to right click for constant right clicks when the default right clicks don't require it, that's all
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20120128 10:25:38< Ivanovic> moin
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20120128 10:31:25< boucman> moin moin
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20120128 10:59:57< csarmi> !help tag
20120128 10:59:57< shikadibot> csarmi: TAG: Shows information about the named VCS tag.
20120128 10:59:57< shikadibot> csarmi: (See "/msg shikadibot HELP TAG" for more details.)
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20120128 11:04:33< csarmi> !tag 1.9.13
20120128 11:04:34< shikadibot> csarmi: Tag 1.9.13, revision 52337 (ivanovic) on Mon Dec 19 14:49:59 2011:
20120128 11:04:38< shikadibot> csarmi: tagged 1.9.13, using r52336
20120128 11:04:39< shikadibot> csarmi: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=52337
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20120128 11:14:49< csarmi> Hello, if I compile wesnoth from version taggged 1.10.0 (52748) now, I will have the exact same game as if I downloaded it after release?
20120128 11:19:39< Ivanovic> yes
20120128 11:19:54< Ivanovic> and if you are on linux you should apply an additional patch/diff
20120128 11:20:07< csarmi> I'm on win7
20120128 11:20:14< Ivanovic> okay, then it is not relevant
20120128 11:20:46< csarmi> ty
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20120128 11:30:08< Crendgrim> Ivanovic: which patch? The one about "1.1" and "1.10"?
20120128 11:33:37< Ivanovic> jep
20120128 11:33:38< Ivanovic> p
20120128 11:33:42< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19318
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20120128 11:35:02< Crendgrim> thanks
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20120128 11:37:51< csarmi> also I'd be able to connect with it to the 1.10 server and upload my addon there already as well, or does that have to wait till official release?
20120128 11:40:20< Ivanovic> this is all possible already
20120128 11:40:32< Ivanovic> especially since the server is identical for 1.9.14 and 1.10.x
20120128 11:40:42< Ivanovic> for addons as well as multiplayer the servers for those versions are shared
20120128 11:41:47< csarmi> ah so if my addon is up on 1.9.14 i dont even have to do anything?
20120128 11:48:39< Ivanovic> exactly
20120128 11:49:06< Ivanovic> that is why we already asked UMC devs to update their stuff once we started the beta series for 1.10
20120128 11:49:16< Ivanovic> since anything done then will directly be available for 1.10.0 users
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20120128 11:54:36< CIA-59> ivanovic * r52779 /trunk/ (16 files in 13 dirs): updated Indonesian and Italian translation
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20120128 12:02:08< csarmi> makes sense :)
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20120128 12:41:15< csarmi> I've got some warnings when compiling. do these matter? http://pastebin.com/1X0uFUq7
20120128 12:49:48-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: tagged 1.10.0, announcing on January 29th | HARD string and feature-freeze active for trunk and the 1.10 announcment | 151 bugs, 335 feature requests, 18 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20120128 12:59:18< mordante> servus
20120128 13:05:38< mordante> csarmi, the different size warnings look odd, can you remove your compiler output and rebuild?
20120128 13:07:42< csarmi> what do I need to remove? the two exe files?
20120128 13:11:00< csarmi> I suppose I can clean up my trunjk directory completely, set it to the latest release and recompile, but I'm not sure what that'd recomplish. I got these kind of warnings when I compiled 1.9.9 a few months ago (with a patch applied) and it worked just fine for all I could tell.
20120128 13:17:05< csarmi> What I did was this: 1) did an svn checkout (updated to last release) into my directory called wntrunk 2) compiled wesnoth right there via CodeBlocks 2.05 (using \projectfiles\CodeBlocks\wesnoth.workspace) 3) wesnoth and wesnothd appeared in the trunk directory and they seem to run just fine
20120128 13:17:19< csarmi> (on win7)
20120128 13:17:22< mordante> I expect some old compiled stuff remained, or you use different switches for compiling the various libraries
20120128 13:17:47< csarmi> well its possible, this compile right there thing seems fishy for me
20120128 13:18:07< csarmi> I'd better copy the needed files to a different directory whenever I compile?
20120128 13:19:03< csarmi> or just cleanup properly when I compile again?
20120128 13:23:13< mordante> cleanup the old compilation output and retry
20120128 13:25:37< csarmi> I dont know how to cleanup compiler output
20120128 13:25:47< csarmi> I did do an svn cleanup on the trunk directory however
20120128 13:25:55< csarmi> that should have taken care of everything I suppose
20120128 13:26:16< csarmi> and now building again :)
20120128 13:33:32< csarmi> unless I'm supposed to clean workspace too
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20120128 14:25:14< vultraz> mordante: related? http://pastebin.com/LFdRHtN5
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20120128 14:35:33< mordante> vultraz, no idea, did you have error during compilation?
20120128 14:35:51< vultraz> nope
20120128 14:36:13< vultraz> but crashes right before the title screen comes up
20120128 14:36:17< vultraz> always
20120128 14:36:52< vultraz> Mac OS X 10.7.2 Xcode 4.2.1
20120128 14:37:03< vultraz> Alarantala doesn't know
20120128 14:37:12< vultraz> the problem
20120128 14:37:19< vultraz> what the problem is *
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20120128 14:38:11< mordante> does valgrind run on the Mac?
20120128 14:38:38< vultraz> I dunno
20120128 14:39:38< vultraz> ahh....site says it does
20120128 14:40:30< csarmi> i cleaned workspace and the trunk directory and rebuilding again. I dont suppose there is anything else I can do to have a 'clean' build?
20120128 14:41:04< mordante> csarmi, no I think that should be enough
20120128 14:41:17< mordante> vultraz, are you able to use valgrind or need more instructions?
20120128 14:43:26< vultraz> never used it before...but I'll see what I can do
20120128 14:50:02< csarmi> same messages I think: http://pastebin.com/PGHuaELa
20120128 14:50:23< fendrin> hi
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20120128 14:56:16< loonycyborg> csarmi: They're harmless afaik.
20120128 14:56:59< csarmi> I suppose so.
20120128 14:58:10< loonycyborg> iirc some people had them with non-wesnoth boost using projects when compiling with mingw too.
20120128 14:59:37< csarmi> so its related to mingw?
20120128 15:00:05< csarmi> my wesnoth build had been runing fine anyway, I'm just curious
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20120128 16:13:47< vultraz> mordante: ok got valgrind compiled....what now
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20120128 16:19:34< mordante> vultraz, you need to start wesnoth from valgrind, not sure how to do it on the mac
20120128 16:20:22< mordante> on the PC I run valgrind  --tool=memcheck -v --leak-check=full --show-reachable=yes --db-attach=yes ./wesnoth ../
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20120128 16:41:24< vultraz> mordante: well...now it's sitting saying: ==13011== ---- Attach to debugger ? --- [Return/N/n/Y/y/C/c] ---- 
20120128 16:41:31< vultraz> am I supposed to input something?
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20120128 16:45:40< anonymissimus> vultraz: , mordante : from what I hear of Ala and read, it looks like a bad idea to use valgrind on Macm since it's said to be buggy etc
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20120128 16:46:41< anonymissimus> csarmi: I got those warnings as well since the beginning; thats not something you should worry about
20120128 16:47:40< anonymissimus> csarmi: the binary you get should be largely identical to the win release ones, since at least the compiler used is the same and source code as well
20120128 16:48:29< anonymissimus> so what could differ are compilation settings and the way dependencies were compiled
20120128 16:49:05 * anonymissimus did not notice differences in engine behavior so far
20120128 16:52:02< anonymissimus> out of curiosity; what could have been the reason for the 1.9 addons server *not* becoming the 1.10 addons server ?
20120128 16:52:28< anonymissimus> IIRC it was restarted at the end of some/most dev cycles
20120128 16:55:44< lipk> what? ivanovic quite explicitly stated that it _will_ become the 1.10 server
20120128 17:02:21< anonymissimus> that is a hypothetic question >:|
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20120128 17:02:45 * anonymissimus hopes his grammar is right
20120128 17:04:25< lipk> oops, sry... I'm not native speaker and that's a really complicated tense ;) but i guess it's right. furthermore, I've got no clue what are we talking about, really
20120128 17:22:32< csarmi> anonymissimus: well I don't know about compilation settings and dependencies setup, I just followed the instructions to the letter
20120128 17:25:26< csarmi> the only thing that might be different is that it says that I should go grab some SDK. I did that in december (when I compiled 1.9.9+patch), and I saw no reason to download it again. Actually I'm not sure how I should keep snyced with that one. Just DL it everytime I do a compile?
20120128 17:26:16< csarmi> btw if I compile with 'debug' set instead of release, I get to debug wesnoth? or how does that work?
20120128 17:28:04< csarmi> well it didn't change since then anyway (SDK)
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20120128 17:40:42< CIA-59> ivanovic * r52780 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-ei/it.po wesnoth-help/it.po): updated Italian translation
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20120128 18:08:39< anonymissimus> csarmi: you should download (probably) a new SDK only if you get compilation or linker errors
20120128 18:08:59< anonymissimus> with the old one; or perhaps if it has been updated for another reason
20120128 18:09:33< anonymissimus> csarmi: you can compile with debug if you intend to make a backtrace for a bug report using gdb
20120128 18:09:48< anonymissimus> other than that it has no usage
20120128 18:11:05< anonymissimus> (that is, it might have, but gdb on windows seems useless other for simply backtraces since MSVC is a much better option)
20120128 18:11:23< vultraz> mordante ?
20120128 18:12:24< anonymissimus> and also, this "stopping the running prohram from the gdb shell to set a breakpoint" doesn't work on windows for me
20120128 18:12:45< anonymissimus> which makes it useless
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20120128 18:45:50< csarmi> WHAT is msvc?
20120128 18:46:54< csarmi> i mean how does that come to play here?
20120128 18:47:01< anonymissimus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_C%2B%2B
20120128 18:47:32< anonymissimus> "the other method" to built wesnoth on windows
20120128 18:47:49< mordante> vultraz, what's error message before the attach question?
20120128 18:47:53< csarmi> so if I wanted to debug, I should build with that one insteAd?
20120128 18:48:05< anonymissimus> probably
20120128 18:48:40< anonymissimus> gdb is not as powerful as microsoft's debugger, not even on Linux
20120128 18:49:07< mordante> anonymissimus, for me gdb works on Windows
20120128 18:49:08< anonymissimus> so if one is on win anyway...
20120128 18:49:23< csarmi> so with that debuggesr I would be able to debug while playing?
20120128 18:49:27< anonymissimus> mordante: when did you use it last, if I may ask ?
20120128 18:49:41< mordante> a few weeks ago
20120128 18:49:47< csarmi> I mean if I experience some problem, I'd be able to figure out the outlines at least
20120128 18:50:00< anonymissimus> I can get backtraces from it, but what really doesnt work is setting breakpoints on-the-fly
20120128 18:50:19< anonymissimus> and MSVC is better anyway so why should I bother with it
20120128 18:50:48< csarmi> well without breakpoints it sounds pointless to me
20120128 18:51:02< anonymissimus> the way gdb displays the content of variables and such also isn't as good as MSVC's mdebugger
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20120128 18:51:38< anonymissimus> afaik I can use them, but once the program has started I can't "pause" it to set or remove breakpoints
20120128 18:51:42< csarmi> okay I wont bother with debug mode then
20120128 18:51:55< anonymissimus> thats not debug mode
20120128 18:52:11< csarmi> I mean with this debug thing in general
20120128 18:52:35< anonymissimus> debug mode is a game configuration setting; compiling in debug mode has nothing to do with it in the first place
20120128 18:52:55< csarmi> i didn't mean debug mode sorry :)
20120128 18:53:19< anonymissimus> debug compilation configuration I should say
20120128 18:53:42< csarmi> yes thats what i was trying to say by 'debug mode'
20120128 18:53:53< csarmi> didn't realize that'd mean smth else entirely
20120128 18:54:04< mordante> I agree the MSVC debugger has a lot of advantage
20120128 18:54:19< anonymissimus> csarmi: well, as I said, you could get backtraces from it with valuable info if you report a bug with a crash
20120128 18:54:50< vultraz> mordante: well...I got it to do something....but now it gave a tidal wave of output and I don't know what's relevant     
20120128 18:55:16< anonymissimus> if I only need a backtrace I don't use MSVC for it mostly, since starting its debugger is painfully slow
20120128 18:55:24< vultraz> for some reason it didn't work if I uses Y or y..
20120128 18:55:49< anonymissimus> for wesnoth, that is, during the cache-building phase, it wesnoth needs to re-read wml
20120128 18:56:06< csarmi> yes but someone else has to reproduce the bug anyway
20120128 18:56:14< anonymissimus> if wesnoth doesn't need to re-read wml its acceptable
20120128 18:56:22< csarmi> as I have no way of figuring it out myself
20120128 18:56:43< csarmi> and then that guy can get a backtrace too
20120128 18:56:47< anonymissimus> unfortunately, I need to re-read wml for many things
20120128 18:57:25< csarmi> so unless it has to do with something in my own win7 config, it would be meaningless wouldn't it
20120128 18:58:06< mordante> vultraz, can you pastebin the error
20120128 18:58:09< mordante> ?
20120128 18:58:13< anonymissimus> csarmi: well, it should work if you just want a backtrace, perhaps ask SigurdFireDragon who tried to write a guide lately
20120128 18:58:25< csarmi> I might.
20120128 18:58:33< anonymissimus> but he couldn't figure it out for some reason
20120128 18:58:52< anonymissimus> it perhaps depends on the gdb version
20120128 18:59:01< csarmi> what is it that he couldnt figure out
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20120128 19:02:39< anonymissimus> C:\\tdm-gcc-4.5.2.exe\\bin\\gdb.exe --eval-command=run --args C:\\wesnoth\\wesnoth-debug.exe -d -t 
20120128 19:02:51< vultraz> mordante: http://pastebin.com/m8rJBKLe
20120128 19:03:07< anonymissimus> example of a resulting cmd line I just used
20120128 19:03:43< anonymissimus> which also shows the versions; I use the gdb that came with the compiler  used for building teh same executable
20120128 19:04:37< anonymissimus> then reproduce the bug, and when wesnoth has crashed type bt in the shell
20120128 19:05:31< anonymissimus> of course things like --log-debug=all or --no-delay could also be passed in addition
20120128 19:06:51< csarmi> aha
20120128 19:08:09< mordante> vultraz, maybe start wesnoth with just wesnoth and nothing else
20120128 19:08:24< mordante> like valgrind  --tool=memcheck -v --leak-check=full --show-reachable=yes --db-attach=yes wesnoth
20120128 19:09:29< anonymissimus> hm the db attach is less useful; it halts execution on each of the small problems
20120128 19:10:00< anonymissimus> I prefer to go away while it needs its ages to start a scenario and then browse the log later
20120128 19:10:08< mordante> also on the one you really want to investigate ;-)
20120128 19:10:39< anonymissimus> well yes, but for that I restart wesnoth under gdb anyway
20120128 19:11:35< anonymissimus> (assuming I'm on Linux at that time)
20120128 19:12:07< mordante> I want to break when the memory access error occurs
20120128 19:16:10< vultraz> mordante: for some reason if you use Y or y at that prompt fails: http://pastebin.com/qdSZYWur
20120128 19:16:16< vultraz> it fails*
20120128 19:18:11< anonymissimus> well looks like one of those bugs...perhaps ask Alarantalara for memory checking tools of google which for recommendable ones
20120128 19:18:29< mordante> ok then please rerun with valgrind  --tool=memcheck -v --leak-check=full --show-reachable=yes wesnoth
20120128 19:18:35< mordante> or as anonymissimus suggests
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20120128 19:19:33< anonymissimus> ala said he has several from Apple
20120128 19:19:41< anonymissimus> memcheck tools that is
20120128 19:19:54 * anonymissimus wonders about memcheck tools on win
20120128 19:22:43< vultraz> something's happening.....
20120128 19:24:13< vultraz> all this makes me realize how complex software is....
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20120128 19:29:51< vultraz> ROFL! encryptingWithKey:uuid:checksum:isUserWaitingImpatientlyForThisThingToFinish:] 
20120128 19:29:58< vultraz> XD
20120128 19:31:47< anonymissimus> mordante: shouldn't wesnoth be wesnoth-debug in your command ?
20120128 19:33:02< anonymissimus> vultraz: use a debug build for running wesnoth under valgrind; otherwise one doesn't get the desired info afaik
20120128 19:33:16< anonymissimus> or perhaps other unwanted stuff happens
20120128 19:33:30< vultraz> it is a debug build
20120128 19:33:38< anonymissimus> ok
20120128 19:38:38< vultraz> wesnoth almost loaded....let's see what terminal spits put when it comes to teh crash bit
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20120128 19:42:17< Sapient> yo fendrin 
20120128 19:45:48< mordante> anonymissimus, didn't know he had two builds
20120128 19:46:08< mordante> hi Sapient, that has been a while
20120128 19:46:23< Sapient> yo mordante
20120128 19:47:57< Sapient> indeed, it has been a long time
20120128 19:48:25< Sapient> since we chatted accross the internets
20120128 19:49:08< Sapient> I am now gainfully employed as a software developer
20120128 19:49:27< vultraz> mordante: ok it finished...
20120128 19:49:46< vultraz> still can't see what crash to to crash though
20120128 19:53:35< vultraz> nor what parts to paste
20120128 19:54:14< anonymissimus> vultraz: the "invalid read of..." or "invalid write of..." parts if there are
20120128 19:55:26< mordante> Sapient, nice 
20120128 19:55:51< mordante> vultraz, can you paste the output?
20120128 19:58:34< vultraz> 2 cases of invalid read
20120128 19:58:47< vultraz> http://pastebin.com/PSuFKAhB
20120128 19:58:56< vultraz> http://pastebin.com/jjNJ9vt3
20120128 19:59:21< vultraz> no invalid write
20120128 20:00:56< vultraz> and the end of teh output: http://pastebin.com/XJKUXBtP
20120128 20:00:56< mordante> :-(
20120128 20:01:13< vultraz> the*
20120128 20:01:43< mordante> don't see the cause of the problem directly
20120128 20:02:50< vultraz> only thing I can see related to the title screen is: ==495==    by 0x46DF7B: loadscreen::clear_screen() (in ./wesnoth)
20120128 20:03:51< anonymissimus> vultraz: there are no line numbers is your stack traces
20120128 20:04:02< anonymissimus> so apparently thats not a debug build
20120128 20:04:25 * vultraz checks settings
20120128 20:04:50< anonymissimus> vultraz: the executable should be named wesnoth-debug
20120128 20:05:20< vultraz> huh...it never was. but the settings say debug....
20120128 20:05:20< anonymissimus> I dunno how you compile exactly, but perhaps scons build=debug works
20120128 20:05:32< vultraz> I was using Xcode
20120128 20:06:01< anonymissimus> wm well unless for some reason it works differently on a Mac, thats a release build
20120128 20:06:24< vultraz> can't use cmake because it can't find pangocairo...
20120128 20:07:07< vultraz> anonymissimus: ala said release builds have like 800 things to look though, degug 400
20120128 20:07:16< vultraz> and it's only been doing 400
20120128 20:07:36< anonymissimus> well, doesn't Xcode somehow rely on scons ?
20120128 20:08:15< vultraz> I dunno
20120128 20:08:17< anonymissimus> on Linux codeblocks-scons just invokes the scons shell commands
20120128 20:09:27< anonymissimus> so there should be some setting in XCode which determines the command to invoke when choosing "build" under debug configuration, if it is any similar to other IDEs I know
20120128 20:09:44< anonymissimus> and that should be scons build=debug or so
20120128 20:15:33< vultraz> not sure if this is relevant, but manually using scons results in: 
20120128 20:15:36< vultraz> Checking for gzip support in Boost Iostreams... no
20120128 20:15:37< vultraz> Base prerequisites are not met.
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20120128 20:16:25< vultraz> cmake doesn't give that
20120128 20:16:40< loonycyborg> vultraz: About this look in build/config.log
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20120128 20:16:52< anonymissimus> vultraz: well if Xcode is working as a standalone IDE then what I said above isn't relevant
20120128 20:17:34< loonycyborg> His Xcode build most likely uses its own build engine
20120128 20:21:06< vultraz> humm
20120128 20:21:08< vultraz> ld: warning: ignoring file /usr/local/lib/libboost_iostreams.dylib, file was built for unsupported file format which is not the architecture being linked (x86_64)
20120128 20:21:29< vultraz> (from config.log)
20120128 20:22:23< vultraz> I;d like to be able to compile with cmake/scons to see if this crashing has something to do with Xcode builds
20120128 20:22:53< loonycyborg> And you're trying to link to boost in /usr/local/lib ?
20120128 20:23:15< loonycyborg> Or it's just some stray custom build? :P
20120128 20:25:07< vultraz> yeah there's boost stuff in /usr/local/lib
20120128 20:25:26< anonymissimus> i feel sorry for you vultraz, hardly anyone to help you :)
20120128 20:25:38< vultraz> funny because this error didn't come up in 10.5
20120128 20:25:43< fendrin> Sapient: cool
20120128 20:26:03< Sapient> I noticed you assigned my feature request to yourself
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20120128 20:26:22< Sapient> thanks for looking into that, fendrin 
20120128 20:26:44< anonymissimus> fendrin: note that its already possible so-so by editing start-of-scenario saves
20120128 20:28:07< Sapient> yeah but who wants to do that by hand?
20120128 20:28:31< vultraz> and I dunno how to make cmake find pangocairo
20120128 20:28:42< anonymissimus> well from my point of view it is a very easy quick solution :)
20120128 20:28:54< vultraz> I was trying to make it use teh pangocairo file Xcode uses when it built wesnoth...
20120128 20:28:56< anonymissimus> compared to other problems
20120128 20:28:58< vultraz> but didn't work...
20120128 20:29:51< anonymissimus> vultraz: does xcode somewhere set where it looks for dependencies ?
20120128 20:30:10< vultraz> um...
20120128 20:30:15< vultraz> I dunno
20120128 20:30:30< vultraz> the files are in projectfiles/Xcode/libs 
20120128 20:30:36< anonymissimus> that could be the place to look, and somehow pass this to cmake...but it will be too difficult in the end, most likely
20120128 20:30:52< vultraz> yeah, I tried to pass it to cmake but it failed
20120128 20:31:04< vultraz> still can't find it
20120128 20:31:17< vultraz> and I can't compile pango my hand until I compile glib
20120128 20:31:29< vultraz> which I already seem to have in /sw/libs
20120128 20:31:30< anonymissimus> well I would ask crimson_penguin or ala then whether some mac dev ever built with cmake or scons
20120128 20:32:06< vultraz> but how to pass that to ./configure....
20120128 20:32:32< vultraz> and glib manual compile thinks I have libiconv but when I tell it to use libiconv it fails...
20120128 20:32:41< vultraz> fails either way
20120128 20:32:42< loonycyborg> iirc someone on the wesnoth dev ML built with scons on mac..
20120128 20:33:32< vultraz> Xcode was so easy...until I upgraded to lion and it stopped working :(
20120128 20:33:33< fendrin> Sapient: I think it should be done more or less easily by adding an extra button to the load game dialog. This will just call the usual choice difficult dialog and replace the symbol.
20120128 20:34:50< Sapient> well, that sounds like a big improvement over asking users to edit the savegame
20120128 20:34:51< vultraz> it has to be something with Lion, because a build from 10.6 works...
20120128 20:35:48< vultraz> so I'm back using 1.9.14.....
20120128 20:35:51< Sapient> ideally, there should be a difficulty slider that controls a number of factors, however I know that's not realistic
20120128 20:36:29< vultraz> *sigh*
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20120128 21:03:44< crimson_penguin> I haven't used cmake or scons
20120128 21:09:54< Ivanovic> mordante: do you have any idea why strings starting with a \n in the tutorial aren't shown translated?
20120128 21:10:10< Ivanovic> cf https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19316
20120128 21:10:26< Ivanovic> something strange going on with the macro?
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20120128 21:28:04< mordante> Ivanovic, no idea, I'll have a look
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20120128 21:48:19< Ivanovic> mordante: thanks
20120128 21:49:05< Ivanovic> i got really no idea what is going on there though it would be a shame to fuzzy this many strings (since the \n is part of the strings and if the numbers differ in msgid and msgstr it will just, uhm, suck and trough errors
20120128 21:49:13< Ivanovic> so no way to fix this using pofix
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20120128 21:50:11< mordante> well removed the return and running a pot-update to test
20120128 21:50:31< mordante> but it also seems the only place were the CAPTION is used like this
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20120128 21:57:29< mordante> Ivanovic, doesn't seem to work
20120128 21:57:57< mordante> looking at another way to fix it
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20120128 22:17:39< mordante> Ivanovic, I can fix it, it's not pretty but will survive a string-freeze
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20120128 22:19:22< mordante> it's just somebody did something really odd, can fix it properly as well but that will break the freeze
20120128 22:19:42< Ivanovic> how bad is it?
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20120128 22:23:08< mordante> will be something like http://paste.debian.net/153924/ , want to tweak the height of the first newline
20120128 22:24:59< Ivanovic> and the clean version would involve moving the newline into a separate entry and because of this making the strings fuzzy?
20120128 22:25:52< mordante> the clean version would be to rewrite the macro and use the caption of the wml_message instead of using the emulation
20120128 22:26:15< mordante> but that indeed requires removing the newline
20120128 22:27:08< Ivanovic> i'd say: go for an ugly hack in 1.10.x and make it clean(er) for 1.11.x
20120128 22:27:26< Ivanovic> since honestly, we won't look again at the tutorial code if there is some way around it
20120128 22:27:31< mordante> there might be some other fixes with the CAPTION macro still there, but the distance between the title and the text is too big
20120128 22:27:40< Ivanovic> in fact several people stated that a rewrite of the tutorial is something *really* desired
20120128 22:28:48< anonymissimus> it is not so good to use macros for message-like stuff anyway, since it means that wmllint isn't able to spellcheck the translatable strings
20120128 22:29:02< Ivanovic> right
20120128 22:29:05< anonymissimus> since it cannot expand macros
20120128 22:29:14< shadowm> wmllint should spellcheck *all* translatable strings
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20120128 22:29:26< shadowm> now if a macro composes a translatable string, that's a different problem and it will break wmlxgettext too
20120128 22:30:01< anonymissimus> well, for the paste by mordante above I am sure that wmllint doesn't spellcheck that string
20120128 22:32:23< shadowm> I didn't say it did. I said it should.
20120128 22:32:52< anonymissimus> nevermind; in core we have this macro: #define MESSAGE SPEAKER_ID IMAGE CAPTION_TEXT MESSAGE_TEXT
20120128 22:33:20< anonymissimus> it is used nowhere in mainline I think, but it should be deprecated for the above reason then
20120128 22:33:29< mordante> anonymissimus, I know, that would be the proper fix, but then the extra newline needs to be removed
20120128 22:33:55< anonymissimus> mordante: well, commit the workaround to the 1.10 branch only ?
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20120128 22:34:10< mordante> even worse the tutorial has a NARRATOR macro... just it doesn't use the title field
20120128 22:34:31< mordante> anonymissimus, depends whether or not I commit before the forking ;-)
20120128 22:34:48< anonymissimus> oh what, don't we have that branch yet ?
20120128 22:35:05< shadowm> no
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20120128 22:36:15< shadowm> so, what's the problem in this case? the text is missed by wmlxgettext (i.e. not in the .pot), or it's missed as translatable by the game?
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20120128 22:37:40< mordante> shadowm, the text is translated, just not shown in the game
20120128 22:37:52< shadowm> so it's missed by the game
20120128 22:38:01< Ivanovic> shadowm: the translated text is shown in english due to "whatever"
20120128 22:38:19< mordante> jup and with my ugly fix it shows the text in German
20120128 22:38:29< shadowm> I would love to know what "whatever" entails so I can make sure that doesn't affect my own campaign.
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20120128 22:51:40< vultraz> so how long until the announcement?
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20120128 22:51:48< vultraz> it's already the 29th here
20120128 22:51:54< Ivanovic> not here
20120128 22:51:57< Ivanovic> and where i am matters!
20120128 22:52:09< Ivanovic> and i won't announce before i had some sleep
20120128 22:52:24< vultraz> lol. what time is it there
20120128 22:53:05< mjs-de> almost 23:00
20120128 22:54:30< vultraz> so more than 6 hours to go?
20120128 22:54:43< vultraz> 8*
20120128 22:55:28< Gambit> vultraz: IIRWIIR :P
20120128 22:55:37< vultraz> gaaah
20120128 22:55:39< vultraz> :P
20120128 23:00:10< mordante> Ivanovic, I found the proper tweaks to make it look like it was written properly without breaking the string freeze 
20120128 23:00:22< Ivanovic> mordante: cool!
20120128 23:00:27< mordante> will test the rest of the messages tomorrow and commit afterwards
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20120128 23:03:12< mordante> I'm off now, night
20120128 23:03:16< Ivanovic> n8
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20120128 23:06:34< CIA-59> ivanovic * r52781 /trunk/ (12 files in 11 dirs): updated French translation
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20120128 23:29:12< CIA-59> espreon * r52782 /trunk/ (12 files in 11 dirs): Updated the Spanish translation.
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20120128 23:59:50< CIA-59> espreon * r52783 /trunk/ (11 files in 10 dirs): Updated the Latin translation.
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