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20120130 00:00:27< shadowm> You may want to try to encourage other developers with commit access to check the patch tracker now.
20120130 00:01:17< shadowm> I don't think I can handle the Postponed items in there without going crazy and starting to see Postponed tags everywhere...
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20120130 00:11:39< anonymissimus> AI0867: shadowm:, Espreon : how about the forking in the umc dev branch ?
20120130 00:11:51< anonymissimus> not branch, repository
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20120130 00:14:05< anonymissimus> if I have a local git repo per addon, will it continue to track an addon version meant for trunk ? (thats what I intend)
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20120130 00:16:50< CIA-59> espreon * r52806 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: Some harmless capitalization fixes...
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20120130 00:19:33< shadowm> anonymissimus: I'm not an admin.
20120130 00:19:48< shadowm> as for the latter question: it depends on how you configured git-svn for your repository
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20120130 00:21:15< CIA-59> espreon * r52807 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: Improved a couple of warnings.
20120130 00:21:40< shadowm> hm.
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20120130 00:22:01< shadowm> I think I had spotted more inconsistent capitalization cases in translatable strings before, but I can't remember where.
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20120130 00:26:16< anonymissimus> perhaps someone could have a look at r52801 for the iterator and delete stuff
20120130 00:27:38< shadowm> ugh. That's the kind of things I prefer to have done *before* committing.
20120130 00:28:41< Ivanovic> shadowm: nephro was a gsoc student, yeah
20120130 00:28:54< Ivanovic> no idea which year exactly
20120130 00:29:11< shadowm> Ivanovic: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=519702#p519702
20120130 00:29:26< anonymissimus> last summer
20120130 00:30:31< Kolbur> wasn't he the guy who wanted to build a defensive ai?
20120130 00:30:31< shadowm> I know people tend to keep writing dates for the past year during January, but this...
20120130 00:30:50< Espreon> anonymissimus: Why are we deprecating MESSAGE?
20120130 00:33:14< anonymissimus> "Translatable message strings passed to it cannot be spellchecked by
20120130 00:33:16< anonymissimus> wmllint, and we don't wanna encourage this."
20120130 00:33:36< Espreon> ... That's a stupid reason.
20120130 00:33:49< anonymissimus> dint think so
20120130 00:34:01< shadowm> Indeed it is.
20120130 00:34:45< shadowm> As I said before, if something needs to be fixed for that end, it is wmllint.
20120130 00:35:07< anonymissimus> pretty sure it cant be done in that case
20120130 00:35:10< Espreon> ...
20120130 00:35:18< Espreon> wmllint... is a giant piece of garbage.
20120130 00:35:57< Espreon> Deprecating things due to wmllint's deficiencies... is really stupid.
20120130 00:36:36< anonymissimus> 20120128 22:29:14< shadowm> wmllint should spellcheck *all* translatable strings
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20120130 00:36:55< anonymissimus> such thing has been done often
20120130 00:37:21< shadowm> sorry, are you esr? we don't need more of that at this point
20120130 00:37:48< anonymissimus> that is, "adapt/rape wml so that wmllint runs clean"
20120130 00:38:05< Espreon> anonymissimus: Then let's stop?
20120130 00:38:12< shadowm> there's absolutely no need to do so in this case since you already said MESSAGE isn't used in mainline
20120130 00:38:16< anonymissimus> well: please revert then
20120130 00:38:21< Espreon> anonymissimus: Either that or you fix wmllint.
20120130 00:38:26< Espreon> Yeah.
20120130 00:38:35< shadowm> UMC are more likely to cause wmllint to fail because of far different reasons
20120130 00:38:48< shadowm> *far more
20120130 00:41:38< CIA-59> anonymissimus * r52808 /trunk/data/core/macros/ (deprecated-utils.cfg interface-utils.cfg): 
20120130 00:41:38< CIA-59> Revert "Deprecate the macro MESSAGE."
20120130 00:41:38< CIA-59> This reverts r52805.
20120130 00:41:38< CIA-59> Since I got beaten to it.
20120130 00:41:44< anonymissimus> deprecating AMLA_TOUGH was much more silly
20120130 00:42:13< Espreon> No, it wasn't.
20120130 00:42:29< anonymissimus> that was just removed because some languages have problems to translate it; the reason is less valid than my argument above IMHO
20120130 00:43:38< Espreon> Probably more than just "some".
20120130 00:43:44< shadowm> Your argument points to a very specific issue with a very specific an optional tool; I don't know in what circumstances AMLA_TOUGH was removed (it ceased to be used in mainline after the AMLA transition in 1.3.x), but translation issues are far more practical.
20120130 00:43:52< shadowm> *and
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20120130 00:44:55< shadowm> The differences are obvious; wmllint can be fixed, but preprocessor interaction within translatable string literals cannot.
20120130 00:45:44< anonymissimus> "but preprocessor interaction within translatable string literals cannot" what does it have to do with that ?
20120130 00:45:58< shadowm> Exactly what I want to know.
20120130 00:46:14< anonymissimus> nothing!
20120130 00:46:40< anonymissimus> it is just that wmllitn cant spellcheck such a translatable string if it's a macro argument
20120130 00:46:59< shadowm> You brought AMLA_TOUGH into the discussion, not I.
20120130 00:47:19< anonymissimus> ah ok
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20120130 00:54:11< anonymissimus> IIRC Espreon deprecated some macros just because they were unused
20120130 00:54:24< anonymissimus> {ALLOW_UNDO} for instance
20120130 00:54:47< Espreon> Feel free to undo the removal of ALLOW_UNDO and REDRAW.
20120130 00:54:51< anonymissimus> so that was as bad as deprecating MESSAGE
20120130 00:55:04< anonymissimus> (if you consider it bad, that is)
20120130 00:55:07< Espreon> Intense love of the preprocessor... is not fun.
20120130 00:55:28< anonymissimus> agreed, but MESSAGE falls into that category as well
20120130 00:55:47< Espreon> Yes, but let's stop.
20120130 00:56:38< shadowm> I think I stabbed him in the back when I found that out.
20120130 00:57:05< shadowm> (mainly because I felt like he was taking my previous words in a whole different light and then too far)
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20120130 01:02:40< anonymissimus> that discussion is useless
20120130 01:02:58< anonymissimus> Espreon: so, are you done with LUA etc conversions ?
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20120130 01:03:28< anonymissimus> if someone does it anyway then better now
20120130 01:04:40< Espreon> anonymissimus: No.
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20120130 01:04:50< Espreon> I just don't feel like dealing with it right now.
20120130 01:05:56< anonymissimus> there are some occurances that should probably not be changed such as 		["engine"] = "lua",
20120130 01:06:15< anonymissimus> can we agree on translatable strings maybe ?
20120130 01:06:40< anonymissimus> the variable names are never displayed to a user
20120130 01:06:58< anonymissimus> to a normal user
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20120130 01:15:31< anonymissimus> Espreon: IMHO when making such changes for consistency, then a good reason should stand behind, namely the wish to refactor and concentrate functionalities, such as crab's issue with unit placement
20120130 01:15:59< anonymissimus> other than that, it's just a change which causes the danger of introducing bugs
20120130 01:23:32< Espreon> Blargh.
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20120130 01:23:45< Espreon> I guess we can kill off "colour" and "format=" now.
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20120130 02:40:44< CIA-59> espreon * r52809 /trunk/ (8 files in 6 dirs): Killed 'colour'.
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20120130 04:27:54< CIA-59> espreon * r52810 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: Updated Old English translation's credits.
20120130 04:28:45< CIA-59> espreon * r52811 /branches/1.10/data/core/about.cfg: Updated Old English translation's credits.
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20120130 05:36:32< AI0867> anonymissimus: how is crab intending to fix it then?
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20120130 10:25:54< faryshta> Where can I find this feature request list?
20120130 10:29:02< ancestral> faryshta: http://bugs.wesnoth.org
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20120130 10:53:06< faryshta> ancestral, thanks.
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20120130 11:12:51< Ivanovic> moin
20120130 11:13:58< vultraz> hey
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20120130 11:26:18< Kolbur> hello
20120130 11:26:55< Kolbur> the server message on the 1.8 is not up to date, it still mentions downloading 1.10-rc1
20120130 11:27:59< Crendgrim> * 1.8 is not up-to-date :)
20120130 11:30:14< Kolbur> yes, and announcing 1.10 there too would help the transition, don't you think? ;)
20120130 11:30:36< Crendgrim> sure. ;)
20120130 11:34:35< CIA-59> ivanovic * r52812 /trunk/utils/pofix.py: further cleanup of the pofix entries and added a note about the relevance of the textdomains
20120130 11:35:30< Ivanovic> Soliton: ^ (what Kolbur wrote)
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20120130 12:55:55< vultraz> what's wesnoth want FriBiDi for?
20120130 12:57:15< vultraz> crimson_penguin: what's this mean? 'Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64:'
20120130 12:59:25< vultraz> I guess it means it's looking for 64 bit stuff
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20120130 16:32:44< jemadux> is there wesnoth 1.10 will be upstream on archlinux ? can i help ?
20120130 16:33:22< Ivanovic> jemadux: this depends on the archlinux packagers
20120130 16:33:37< jemadux> Ivanovic: thanks ... 
20120130 16:33:41< Ivanovic> you have to ask them and make sure to mention the patch from the forum pst
20120130 16:33:53< Ivanovic> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36001
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20120130 17:06:58< crimson_penguin> vultraz: means you're trying to compile for x86_64, but probably your libraries aren't x86_64
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20120130 17:20:58< anonymissimus> AI0867: why don't you ask him that ... ?
20120130 17:21:43< anonymissimus> afaik he plans to rewrite DSU to rely on the whiteboard instead of real unit positions
20120130 17:22:09< anonymissimus> and this apparently allows to fix some things
20120130 17:22:47< anonymissimus> perhaps ask him that he should write a mail about his plans
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20120130 17:34:38< lipk> Crendgrim: the wiki copyright is still 2003-2011
20120130 17:34:57< Crendgrim> lipk: I can't change that.
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20120130 17:36:41< lipk> well, then: Ivanovic: the wiki copyright is still 2003-2011
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20120130 18:05:05< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug 17250
20120130 18:05:06< wesbot> Bug #17250  Assigned to: Ignacio R. Morelle <shadowmaster>  Status: Fixed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20120130 18:05:09< wesbot> Summary: DID A Small Favor Part 3 Darken Volk can't open gates
20120130 18:05:12< wesbot> Original submission: In Descent into Darkness, A Small Favor, Part 3, Darken V
20120130 18:05:14< wesbot> olk and his troops can't open gates. Volk, for example, moves to the lower l
20120130 18:05:17< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?17250
20120130 18:05:20< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/bugs/download.php?file_id=11494
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20120130 18:19:29< vultraz> anonymissimus: I got cmake working, but at the end of 'make' it gives:
20120130 18:19:34< vultraz> Linking CXX executable ../wesnoth
20120130 18:19:35< vultraz> Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64:
20120130 18:19:42< vultraz> any ideas?
20120130 18:20:06< anonymissimus> vultraz: do you need to ask me this ?
20120130 18:20:14< anonymissimus> 1. I gave no clue of Mac
20120130 18:20:25< anonymissimus> 2. I have no clue of cmake
20120130 18:20:30< vultraz> oh
20120130 18:20:49< vultraz> well...no one else is here that I thought might know :S
20120130 18:21:23< anonymissimus> 3. I'm certainly not the most knowledgable around here
20120130 18:22:34< anonymissimus> vultraz: did you read crimson_prenguins message about that you are using libraries from a wrong architecture ?
20120130 18:22:59< anonymissimus> that can supposedly cause all kinds of trouble
20120130 18:24:06< anonymissimus> I imagine if you got them from someone else who built them on his Mac then they can have worked for him, but not for you sicne you have different hard-or software
20120130 18:25:01< vultraz> well...you mean SDL, boost, etc?
20120130 18:25:23< anonymissimus> actually, I have no idea what this architecture stuff is about...for PCs there's 64 bit and 32 bit versions, and if you have a 64 big one you *can* use win 7 64 bit or a Linux distro for 64 bit AFAIK
20120130 18:25:24< vultraz> I just build that stuff via MacPorts
20120130 18:25:34< anonymissimus> they are bit faster than the 32 bit versions
20120130 18:25:56< vultraz> so it should build to the current arc
20120130 18:26:16< anonymissimus> and if you have 32 bit hardware you can only use 32 bit software
20120130 18:26:37< vultraz> if fact, they did build to x86_64, because if you tell cmake to use i386 as the arc SDL fails
20120130 18:26:46< vultraz> s/fails/spits errors
20120130 18:26:53< vultraz> about wrong arc
20120130 18:28:32< anonymissimus> and what follows after the : ?
20120130 18:28:55< anonymissimus> perhaps it just mentions the architecture but its not the actual problem
20120130 18:29:07< vultraz> "_main", referenced from:
20120130 18:29:09< vultraz>       start in crt1.10.6.o
20120130 18:29:19< vultraz> "(maybe you meant:
20120130 18:29:22< anonymissimus> in any case, undefined symbols means linker errors
20120130 18:29:33< vultraz> then a LONG list of boost/gui stuff
20120130 18:29:52< vultraz> that seems to get longer every time I run
20120130 18:30:51< anonymissimus> _main is probably the main function...you get those linker errors right at the start of the linking process ?
20120130 18:31:18< anonymissimus> so probably it cannot find any of the libs you try to link against for some reason
20120130 18:32:15< anonymissimus> and whyt is the end of "make" ? does it mean the building finished successfully ?
20120130 18:32:25< vultraz> only happens when linking ../wesnoth
20120130 18:32:26< anonymissimus> and make is the install ?
20120130 18:32:54< vultraz> well after the textwall it saya
20120130 18:32:58< vultraz> ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture x86_64
20120130 18:32:59< vultraz> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
20120130 18:33:07< vultraz> says*
20120130 18:33:18< anonymissimus> ah wait, IIRC cmake cmd generates some files, and make starts the build process
20120130 18:34:11< vultraz> yeah
20120130 18:34:50< anonymissimus> well, "so probably it cannot find any of the libs you try to link against for some reason", more than that I can't say
20120130 18:36:02< vultraz> well..it finds SDL because if you give cmake the wrong arc (eg i386) it'll say SDL was compiled on a diff arc
20120130 18:36:10< vultraz> at least finds*
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20120130 18:45:34< vultraz> what's FriBiDi for, BTW?
20120130 18:46:40< Crendgrim> IIRC it's used for right-to-left fonts
20120130 18:47:05< vultraz> lol
20120130 18:47:07< vultraz> :P
20120130 18:47:26< Crendgrim> you don't need it to compile Wesnoth
20120130 18:49:48-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 154 bugs, 333 feature requests, 17 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20120130 18:50:44< timotei> vultraz: did you specify the location for the macports libs? :P
20120130 18:51:19< timotei> vultraz: when I used boost for example, on my XCode project (personal project), I had to add the includes and libs pointing to the macports dir
20120130 18:51:23< timotei> That's in /opt iirc
20120130 18:51:53< vultraz> timotei: I'm trying to use cmake ATM, as all my builds in Xcode crash
20120130 18:52:08< vultraz> and yes, I told cmake to look for stuff in opt/
20120130 18:52:11< timotei> vultraz: Well, ditto for cmake. It still needs to find stuff
20120130 18:52:12< timotei> Ah
20120130 18:52:18< timotei> And you still get errors?
20120130 18:52:29< vultraz> yes
20120130 18:52:43< vultraz> I'm trying once more
20120130 18:52:44< vultraz> now
20120130 18:54:21< vultraz> timotei: http://pastebin.com/jRMJyycA is what it looked like the first time I got the error. fixed the SDL errors, still same thing
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20120130 18:56:46< timotei> hmm
20120130 18:56:52< timotei> ld: warning: ignoring file /sw/lib/libSDL_image.dylib, file was built for unsupported file format which is not the architecture being linked (x86_64)
20120130 18:56:56< timotei> Did you build sdl?
20120130 18:57:19< vultraz>  fixed those
20120130 18:57:25< vultraz> already
20120130 18:57:31< vultraz> same error
20120130 18:57:51< timotei> no..
20120130 18:57:54< timotei> "_SDLNet_TCP_GetPeerAddress", referenced from:
20120130 18:57:54< timotei>       network::ip_address(int)   in network.cpp.o
20120130 18:57:55< timotei> :P
20120130 18:57:58< timotei> There's still there
20120130 18:58:13< timotei> It's missing SDL stuff
20120130 18:58:18< timotei> Not boost
20120130 18:58:34< timotei> I recall I had the same problems when using SDLMixer and SDL
20120130 18:58:55< timotei> The warnings are very important
20120130 18:58:59< timotei> People just skip them...
20120130 18:59:20< timotei> It seems you need SDL for 64bits... or compile your app in 32 bits more
20120130 18:59:21< timotei> mode*
20120130 19:00:21< timotei> vultraz: look here: http://www.gamedev.net/topic/476277-setting-up-sdl-on-mac-os-x-but-not-in-xcode/
20120130 19:01:08< vultraz> i did recompile sdl after that paste
20120130 19:01:18< vultraz> and it found them
20120130 19:01:18< timotei> Ah
20120130 19:01:27< timotei> Well, give me an updated pastebin then :P
20120130 19:03:17< vultraz> http://pastebin.com/YWF6hsFS
20120130 19:03:38< vultraz> latest instance
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20120130 19:05:29< timotei> hi boucman 
20120130 19:05:38< boucman> hey
20120130 19:05:42< boucman> what's up ?
20120130 19:05:57< timotei> vultraz: Ah...
20120130 19:06:01< timotei> "_CFStringCreateWithCString", referenced from:
20120130 19:06:05< timotei> That's the Core libraries IIRC
20120130 19:06:27< timotei> The Cocoa Core libs, more exactly
20120130 19:07:06< timotei> Hmm... I wonder, did anyone on mac use cmake before?
20120130 19:07:08< timotei> crimson_penguin: ^
20120130 19:07:10< timotei> Or just XCode?
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20120130 19:07:27< crimson_penguin> I just use Xcode
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20120130 19:08:11< vultraz> humm
20120130 19:08:43< vultraz> there originally was something about Cocoa in one of the SDL paths...but wh I updated it I didn't keep it
20120130 19:08:48< vultraz> when*
20120130 19:09:46< timotei> :D
20120130 19:09:56< timotei> Well, that's not related to SDL I guess
20120130 19:10:12< timotei> Since wesnoth itself uses some Cocoa libs for the filesystem as far as I can see
20120130 19:10:21< timotei> http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake:HowToUseExistingOSXFrameworks
20120130 19:10:29< timotei> Hmm... this uses carbon. nvm
20120130 19:10:49< timotei> vultraz: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7829987/objective-c-file-not-linking-to-cocoa-when-building-library-with-cmake
20120130 19:10:49< timotei> or
20120130 19:10:52< timotei> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7827758/linking-to-cocoa-libraries-with-cmake-c-intermixed-with-objective-c
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20120130 19:13:49< mordante> servus
20120130 19:14:14< vultraz> timotei: the first one links to a script...but what am I supposed to do with it
20120130 19:14:20< timotei> hi mordante 
20120130 19:14:44< mordante> shadowm, can you undo the changes you did to my bugs, that we have a new stable doesn't mean most of the bugs are still postponed
20120130 19:14:45< mordante> hi timotei 
20120130 19:15:26< mordante> shadowm, at least you could have asked me before blanket changing them
20120130 19:16:43< timotei> vultraz: hmm
20120130 19:17:01< timotei> vultraz: I think CMakeLists.txt needs to be modified a bit for the mac case
20120130 19:17:08< timotei> vultraz: try this: in the src/CMakeList.txt
20120130 19:17:40< timotei> vultraz: line 57, the line with: link_directories(
20120130 19:17:43< timotei> before that, add:
20120130 19:17:51< timotei> FIND_LIBRARY(COCOA_LIBRARY Cocoa)
20120130 19:17:59< timotei> and in the link_directories(, list, add at the end:
20120130 19:18:08< timotei> ${COCOA_LIBRARY}
20120130 19:18:11< timotei> so, it will be like:
20120130 19:18:38< timotei> http://pastebin.com/MJwPkWVH
20120130 19:19:05< vultraz> mk
20120130 19:19:48< timotei> let me know if it works
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20120130 19:28:38< anonymissimus> mordante: the set_variable rand= fix you can apply now
20120130 19:28:56< anonymissimus> the one with not full range
20120130 19:29:00< mordante> anonymissimus, I know, working on some other issues first
20120130 19:35:25< CIA-59> mordante * r52815 /trunk/src/addon/manager.cpp: 
20120130 19:35:25< CIA-59> Remove a variable which is only assigned.
20120130 19:35:25< CIA-59> Issue found by cppcheck. (Also minor reformatting.)
20120130 19:35:25< CIA-59> mordante * r52814 /trunk/src/actions.cpp: 
20120130 19:35:25< CIA-59> Remove a variable which is only assigned.
20120130 19:35:25< CIA-59> Issue found by cppcheck.
20120130 19:35:26< CIA-59> mordante * r52816 /trunk/src/ai/composite/component.cpp: 
20120130 19:35:26< CIA-59> Remove a variable which is only assigned.
20120130 19:35:27< CIA-59> Issue found by cppcheck.
20120130 19:35:27< CIA-59> mordante * r52813 /trunk/data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/ (2_Speaking.cfg 2_Tutorial.cfg): 
20120130 19:35:28< CIA-59> Properly show narrator messages in the tutorial.
20120130 19:35:28< CIA-59> This breaks the string-freeze, so not ported to 1.10.
20120130 19:35:29< CIA-59> A better fix for bug #19316.
20120130 19:35:29< CIA-59> mordante * r52817 /trunk/src/game_controller.cpp: 
20120130 19:39:48< timotei> Lol
20120130 19:39:49< shadowm> 15:14:44 <mordante> shadowm, can you undo the changes you did to my bugs, that we have a new stable doesn't mean most of the bugs are still postponed
20120130 19:39:55< timotei> iPhone 4S Boxes just for 5$ =))
20120130 19:39:55< timotei> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-iPhone-4s-Black-Box-only-16GB-Unlocked-Smartphone-SHIP-WORLDWIDE-/270901201824?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3f12f84ba0#ht_819wt_1114
20120130 19:39:55< shadowm> Ivanovic requested that.
20120130 19:41:24< mordante> shadowm, when?
20120130 19:41:36< shadowm> yesterday, based on a previous discussion
20120130 19:42:34< mordante> where was that discussion?
20120130 19:42:57< shadowm> on IRC
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20120130 19:47:45< anonymissimus> mordante: re your comment in the bug...already got battled for it...nevermind
20120130 19:47:46< mordante> I missed that discussion, would have been something to post in the dev-ml...
20120130 19:48:08< anonymissimus> but it's not used "all over the place", it is tried to avoid it as I see it
20120130 19:48:09< mordante> anonymissimus, I know, just wanted to let you know I also disagree with your statement
20120130 19:49:00 * anonymissimus will point esr to it ...*hrhr*
20120130 19:49:40< shadowm> I'm sure esr would be happy to help you understand wmllint to fix it yourself, yeah.
20120130 19:50:14< anonymissimus> um well, it don't wanna fix wmllint, I want to rape wml instead
20120130 19:50:16< shadowm> otherwise there's absolutely no point in trying to get his attention back, from past experience
20120130 19:51:13< shadowm> but really, it should be too hard for wmllint or wmliterator to learn to identify translatable strings in the general case and spellcheck them all regardless of context
20120130 19:51:17< shadowm> er, shouldn't
20120130 19:53:16< shadowm> {FOO _"bar"}, {FOO ( _ "bar")}, foo=_"bar", foo= _ "bar" and any other variations of whitespace layout you can come up with assuming this is how the C++ parser works, which might be a good idea to check anyway
20120130 19:54:06< mordante> anonymissimus, there are about 1350 occurrences in trunk
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20120130 19:55:02< anonymissimus> the are 0 occurences of the MESSAGE macro, and I always assumed this was the reason
20120130 19:56:44< shadowm> What I'm not sure is why this suddenly became a discussion about wmllint spellchecking after a bug that was about accidental untranslatability.
20120130 19:58:05< anonymissimus> well, it was because I spotted that there are many such macros in the tutorial, while looking at the used NARRATOR macro
20120130 19:58:27< anonymissimus> and i recalled expanding some macros in my UMC for that reason
20120130 20:01:29< mordante> the original narrator macro was odd
20120130 20:01:53< mordante> it's also use for the difficulty macros
20120130 20:02:18< anonymissimus> shadowm: although if your "draft" of fixing it in wmllint works, then that'd be cool
20120130 20:02:42< shadowm> I don't have a draft; that was just a general idea.
20120130 20:03:08< anonymissimus> there are good usecases, in the PICKUPABLE_ITEM for instance
20120130 20:06:22< vultraz> timotei: didn't work
20120130 20:07:05< vultraz> though I wonder why it didn't write any new values when I ran cmake ../
20120130 20:07:06< shadowm> vultraz: what are you doing now? :)
20120130 20:07:41< vultraz> shadowm: cmake fails to link ../wesnoth with error Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64:
20120130 20:08:02< shadowm> okay, so why are you as always asking non-Mac people to help you?
20120130 20:08:20< shadowm> in any case, that sounds like you are trying to build Wesnoth for an architecture for which you don't have installed libraries
20120130 20:08:31< shadowm> in this case, x86_64
20120130 20:08:44< vultraz> but that seems to be the default
20120130 20:08:52< vultraz> I didn;t set any values
20120130 20:08:56< anonymissimus> there's hardly anyone able to help him
20120130 20:08:57< shadowm> and what libraries did you install?
20120130 20:10:09< vultraz> shadowm: um...I'm confused. I don't know anything about arcs or libs for them
20120130 20:10:13< vultraz> :P
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20120130 20:11:03< shadowm> I suggest you try compiling Wesnoth again including -m32 (to force i386 object files) in the CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS variables
20120130 20:12:21< shadowm> append -m32 to the CMAKE_C_FLAGS and CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS variables
20120130 20:13:24< shadowm> as usual, I'm just guessing things for you. I already told you last night I haven't used a Mac etc.
20120130 20:14:07< vultraz> right now they're '-02 -W -Wall -std=c++98' and '-02 -W -Wall -ansi'
20120130 20:14:19< vultraz> according to ccmake
20120130 20:14:25< shadowm> that's an o (as in the latin vowel), not a zero
20120130 20:14:31< shadowm> uppercase o
20120130 20:14:45< shadowm> append -m32 as I said
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20120130 20:17:29< vultraz> making again
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20120130 20:54:58< anonymissimus> zookeeper: meh, you should really add some "scenario status setters" in mainline campaigns
20120130 20:55:11< CIA-59> mordante * r52822 /trunk/ (changelog src/game_events.cpp): Increase of WML random values.
20120130 20:55:14< zookeeper> anonymissimus, some what..?
20120130 20:55:34< anonymissimus> currently coding soemthing in wml which I would normally only in lua, and debugging is much more tedious
20120130 20:55:55< Aethaeryn> anonymissimus: Why not just use WML tables?
20120130 20:56:12< Aethaeryn> You can, I hear, even define custom tags if it must be put in WML at the end.
20120130 20:56:36< anonymissimus> zookeeper: well, some options at the start of the scenarios which are only available in debug mode and which allow to "skip forward" the scenario state without playing it
20120130 20:57:02< anonymissimus> for quick mass-reproducing if problem spots
20120130 20:57:30< zookeeper> anonymissimus, and then some of those are going to end up being buggy, good luck with reproducing bugs then... :p
20120130 20:57:52< anonymissimus> yes, they need to be debugged themselves, but in the end it is useful
20120130 20:58:14< Aethaeryn> anonymissimus: I think it'd be a good idea.
20120130 20:58:24< anonymissimus> that is, it's better to take that effort instead of rerereplaying the scenario
20120130 20:58:33< zookeeper> i've very rarely needed anything like that myself; in 99% of cases you can skip forward by giving a unit lots of moves, spawning a unit and killing an enemy with it, etc
20120130 20:58:45< zookeeper> i've had some aliases defined to make that quicker, though
20120130 20:58:54< anonymissimus> yes, but even that is not fast enough
20120130 20:58:59 * zookeeper shrugs
20120130 20:59:02< zookeeper> it is for me ;)
20120130 20:59:15< anonymissimus> i need to type :unit some_var, wait until the unit died etc
20120130 20:59:41< Aethaeryn> anonymissimus: You mean, just trigger a "next scenario" moment while debugging?
20120130 20:59:42< zookeeper> i type ":move" if i want to give a unit 99 moves, ":hp1" if i want to drop their hp to 1 so i can kill them with anything
20120130 20:59:55< zookeeper> that's usually all i need
20120130 21:00:14< anonymissimus> in this particular scenario this wouldnt work
20120130 21:00:20< shadowm> hm, it is possible to define command line aliases?
20120130 21:00:28< zookeeper> shadowm, yeah
20120130 21:00:38< Aethaeryn> shadowm: What do you mean?
20120130 21:01:34< zookeeper> you need an [alias] tag in the preferences file, this is what mine looks like:
20120130 21:01:37< zookeeper> [alias]
20120130 21:01:37< zookeeper> 	atk="unit attacks_left=1"
20120130 21:01:37< zookeeper> 	hp1="unit hitpoints=1"
20120130 21:01:37< zookeeper> 	move="unit moves=50"
20120130 21:01:37< zookeeper> [/alias]
20120130 21:01:58< zookeeper> ohh, it's 50 moves, not 99...
20120130 21:02:05< shadowm> there's apparently an :alias command as well
20120130 21:02:23< zookeeper> right
20120130 21:02:37< zookeeper> i don't remember any of that stuff really, it's been years since i defined those
20120130 21:02:48< mordante> I'm off bye
20120130 21:03:01< anonymissimus> in my UMC I have a single right click menu which, for instance, kills several enemy units, teleports my units to a spot and sets a few variables
20120130 21:03:27< anonymissimus> in scenarios which are more than just "defeat enemy leader"
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20120130 21:03:57< shadowm> you can use custom event handlers for that end too
20120130 21:04:05< anonymissimus> yes, I do
20120130 21:04:58< anonymissimus> well I would need to type :fire event_name, and look up the event name previously, it's much faster through the right click menu
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20120130 21:22:23< elias> what is the 1.10 port?
20120130 21:22:31< elias> 15002?
20120130 21:22:57< elias> for the addon server i mean
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20120130 21:41:21< timotei> shadowm: I am not a non-Mac people :P
20120130 21:41:27< timotei> shadowm: not anymore :)
20120130 21:43:30< timotei> vultraz: did it work with the shadowm's suggestion? I tell you, based on the error you get, it needs to have the location for the Cocoa libs, otherwise it won't be able to link the stuff...
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20120130 22:02:06< CIA-59> anonymissimus * r52823 /trunk/data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/09_A_Small_Favor3.cfg: 
20120130 22:02:06< CIA-59> Improve goto algorithm for Darken Volk (fix for bug #15750)
20120130 22:02:06< CIA-59> Using [find_path], this should work for most of the imaginable
20120130 22:02:06< CIA-59> "deadlock" cases.
20120130 22:02:06< CIA-59> Since the bug wasn't game-breaking and the fix is partly a feature
20120130 22:02:07< CIA-59> and rather complicated I decide to not backport this.
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20120130 22:13:57< CIA-59> anonymissimus * r52824 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): changelog update
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20120130 22:27:22< vultraz> timotei, shadowm: nope it failed
20120130 22:28:33< shadowm> the error being?
20120130 22:29:10< timotei> <vultraz> http://pastebin.com/YWF6hsFS
20120130 22:30:02< shadowm> that can't be the -m32 attempt
20120130 22:30:12< timotei> vultraz: one more try, append -framework CoreFoundation -framework IOKit
20120130 22:30:37< timotei> shadowm: it will still fail even with -m32.
20120130 22:30:54< shadowm> I said that can't be the -m32 attempt
20120130 22:30:58< timotei> shadowm: it needs the core classes for I/O  stuff
20120130 22:31:03< shadowm> i.e. look at the architecture
20120130 22:31:15< timotei> shadowm: Yeah, but the -m32 won't work anyway...
20120130 22:31:27< shadowm> someone might want to fix the cmake scripts then
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20120130 22:31:56< timotei> I guess the cmake wasn't made for Mac OS Compiling :)
20120130 22:32:16< shadowm> "the cmake scripts", I presume? because I'm saying those could be fixed in that case
20120130 22:32:28< timotei> Yeah, cmake scripts
20120130 22:32:30< vultraz> timotei: append to same vars?
20120130 22:32:47< shadowm> vultraz: and remove -m32 while at it
20120130 22:32:54< anonymissimus> Espreon: thanks for spelling/grammar/style check btw
20120130 22:32:57< timotei> vultraz: to the linker command line
20120130 22:33:06< timotei> linker*
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20120130 22:38:50< anonymissimus> timotei: what's the purpose of these "plain" output files of --preprocess ?
20120130 22:39:05< anonymissimus> they dotn seem to contain anything useful
20120130 22:39:23< timotei> anonymissimus: "don't seem". Yeah. It only seems to not contain anything useful :P
20120130 22:39:30< timotei> anonymissimus: well, I don't  use them atm...
20120130 22:39:42< timotei> anonymissimus: they were more like to see where an original "call" was made
20120130 22:39:52< anonymissimus> also, it would be nice if --preprocess-input-macros could take a directory
20120130 22:40:06< timotei> That is, to see what way does a macro call take.
20120130 22:40:09< timotei> anonymissimus: For?
20120130 22:40:17< timotei> anonymissimus: isn't a file enough? :P
20120130 22:40:31< shadowm> macro substitution
20120130 22:40:32< anonymissimus> of course a file isn't enough
20120130 22:40:58< anonymissimus> addons have their macros usually in a certain dir split into some files
20120130 22:41:22< timotei> anonymissimus: umm... I think you ... confound things.
20120130 22:41:39< timotei> The file format for the -input, is the one is outputted ONLY by the -output :P
20120130 22:42:00< timotei> The macros are in the internal preprocessor-ish format
20120130 22:42:04< timotei> something like:
20120130 22:42:22< timotei> [preproc_define] name="...", location ="", contents=  "", textdomain="" [/...
20120130 22:42:33< timotei> Not #define macro ...
20120130 22:42:34< timotei> :)
20120130 22:42:38< vultraz> timotei: ok making, but some funny output http://pastebin.com/4kwHXUBc
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20120130 22:43:16 * anonymissimus doesnt get it
20120130 22:43:18< timotei> A... that's the compiler
20120130 22:43:21< timotei> Not the linker...
20120130 22:43:43< timotei> anonymissimus: well, do something like:
20120130 22:43:46< timotei> Hold on
20120130 22:43:56< anonymissimus> isn't --preprocess-input-macros switch to pass some macro defs so that the preprocessor knows about them ?
20120130 22:44:21< anonymissimus> instead of throwing an unresolved macro/file error
20120130 22:44:29< shadowm> vultraz: use CMAKE_EXE_LINKER_FLAGS
20120130 22:44:49< timotei> anonymissimus: hmm.. Yeah. But not in the normal cfg format
20120130 22:45:11< shadowm> vultraz: that's where -L and -l switches should go, not compiler flags
20120130 22:45:22< timotei> But like this: http://pastebin.com/LC5tYXSp
20120130 22:45:24< timotei> anonymissimus: ^
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20120130 22:46:07< timotei> anonymissimus: so the -input-macros should be only files outputed by -output-macros :P
20120130 22:46:40< anonymissimus> *ugh*
20120130 22:46:41< vultraz> shadowm: append  -framework CoreFoundation -framework IOKit there instead of the other two?
20120130 22:47:00< shadowm> that's wh[Bthat too
20120130 22:48:29< vultraz> ?
20120130 22:48:37< anonymissimus> one of these statements should go into the fortunes
20120130 22:48:53< shadowm> vultraz: *that too*
20120130 22:49:23< timotei> anonymissimus: well, it's like... "eating your own dog food"
20120130 22:49:29< timotei> what you output
20120130 22:49:32< timotei> you input back xD
20120130 22:49:33< timotei> Recycling
20120130 22:49:54< shadowm> eating wha-?!
20120130 22:50:05< timotei> shadowm: your own dog food :)
20120130 22:50:09< timotei> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food
20120130 22:50:22< shadowm> but whe don't make dog food
20120130 22:50:33< timotei> It's a trope I guess
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20120130 22:51:26< timotei> And I have to syncronize threads...
20120130 22:51:31< timotei> Gah....
20120130 22:51:32< timotei> Twice!
20120130 22:51:44< anonymissimus> hm, actually we do, don't we
20120130 22:52:21< shadowm> last time I checked, we made a TBS game, not dog food
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20120130 22:56:14< timotei> Hmm, tvtropes doesn't have references to this sintagm :(
20120130 22:56:20< timotei> I guess we should create softwaretropes
20120130 22:56:21< timotei> :))
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20120130 23:16:52< CIA-59> ivanovic * r52825 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/ (config.php index.php): switch the version used to 1.10
20120130 23:18:25< CIA-59> ivanovic * r52826 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/bin/update-gettext-stats: update the run script, too
20120130 23:21:11< CIA-59> ivanovic * r52827 /trunk/po/ (10 files in 9 dirs): updated French and Italian translation
20120130 23:21:28< CIA-59> ivanovic * r52828 /branches/1.10/po/ (10 files in 9 dirs): updated French and Italian translation
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20120130 23:34:38< Espreon> anonymissimus: No prob.
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20120130 23:40:51< timotei> vultraz: did it work with the parameters on the right variable?
20120130 23:41:01< timotei> vultraz: I need to go now. If it works/or not let me know 
20120130 23:41:03< timotei> I'll read the logs
20120130 23:41:04< timotei> :)
20120130 23:41:15< timotei> Otherwise I might try compiling it with cmake too
20120130 23:41:17< timotei> <)
20120130 23:41:27< vultraz> mk. still building ATM
20120130 23:41:28< timotei> And get the cmake scripts fixed
20120130 23:41:31< timotei> Ok.
20120130 23:41:33< timotei> Good night
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20120130 23:53:52< gabba> Hi all
20120130 23:55:36< Espreon> Hello.
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