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20120129 00:18:12< Necrosporus> New version?
20120129 00:18:30< Necrosporus> Is 1.10 so buggy as 1.8.0?
20120129 00:19:04< Necrosporus> Anyways, that's nice, I'm going to install the new version
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20120129 03:41:02< kernigh> Bug? My "End Scenario" button is broken.
20120129 03:41:26< kernigh> This is a multiplayer scenario where I win by moving onto a hex. I ordered my unit to attack from that hex. I won, and then the battle happened after I won, which was weird.
20120129 03:45:24< kernigh> I also can't save the game!
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20120129 03:46:58< Aethaeryn> kernigh: has everyone else ended turn yet?
20120129 03:47:24< kernigh> I was actually the only human player. Opponents were AIs.
20120129 03:47:38< Aethaeryn> ah
20120129 03:48:11< kernigh> I quit the game and went to lobby, I was on the "official 1.10" server. I did not lose my server connection, so that's not the problem.
20120129 03:50:39< Aethaeryn> It could be a problem with the campaign itself.
20120129 03:50:48< Aethaeryn> Or the scenario or w/e
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20120129 03:52:44< kernigh> The scenario uses an [endlevel] inside a moveto [event]. I will try to make a tiny test scenario and see what happens.
20120129 03:52:59< Aethaeryn> Well, try to reproduce it.
20120129 03:53:04< Aethaeryn> Especially if it's not your own scenario.
20120129 03:53:12< Aethaeryn> If you can find a bug #wesnoth-dev is the place to go.
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20120129 04:12:02< kernigh> Wow, the Fire Dragon is VERY ENORMOUS!
20120129 04:12:10< Drazelic> that it is!
20120129 04:12:12< Drazelic> isn't it beautiful?
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20120129 04:14:22< kernigh> This is a test scenario, and the Fire Dragon looks too big, so I'll use an Elvish Sylph instead.
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20120129 05:02:30< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth should be rated M
20120129 05:02:41< Aethaeryn> I have a Saurian called "Ssex"
20120129 05:02:54< Aethaeryn> Clearly children should not be playing this game.
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20120129 05:06:13< kernigh> One game had a merman named "Ocean".
20120129 05:06:52< Aethaeryn> Apparently, people have gotten "Aethaeryn" before.
20120129 05:06:53< Aethaeryn> I don't know about you, but I don't think there'll be a better randomly-assigned name people can get in a game.
20120129 05:07:08< Aethaeryn> ;-)
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20120129 05:49:13< Necrosporus> How to configure wesnoth if there is no ./configure?
20120129 05:49:33< shadowm> read INSTALL
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20120129 05:53:40< Necrosporus> shadowm, I did, I doesn't see how to change install prefix for cmake
20120129 05:53:49< Necrosporus> only some interactive mode and so on
20120129 05:54:54< shadowm> -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/path/to/prefix to cmake, or set CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX in ccmake's UI
20120129 05:56:32< Necrosporus> shadowm, so ./configure --prefix=/usr --bin-prefix=/usr/games && make -j6 && make install DESTDIR=/tmp/wesnoth-1.10-pkg
20120129 05:56:48< Necrosporus> So how would it look like with cmake?
20120129 05:56:54< Necrosporus> without UI
20120129 05:58:33< Necrosporus> same with make?
20120129 05:58:44< shadowm> I don't use cmake, so I don't really know, although looking at the options it'd seem -DBINDIR=games would do that given -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr
20120129 05:58:55< shadowm> no idea about the last step either.
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20120129 11:49:34< Ivanovic> moin
20120129 11:50:14< enchilado> moin
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20120129 15:48:30< mystic_x> welcome
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20120129 19:05:03< janebot> Twitter: @Wesnoth: @callmegus The release manager hasn't published the main announcement yet. [ Jan-29-2012 18:03 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/85og3mu ]
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20120129 19:39:13< Gambit> Just for clarification, I did not make that tweet :<
20120129 19:39:24< Gambit> I have nothing but respect and admiration for the release manager if he is listening :<
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20120129 19:42:32< shadowm> I'm not sure what you are trying to imply.
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20120129 20:11:33< fendrin> Gambit: You should meet Ivanovic in person someday :-)
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20120129 20:35:05< janebot> Twitter: @Wesnoth: It's here! Wesnoth 1.10.0 released! Thank you all for your patience and contributions during this development cycle! http://t.co/qPxe5Z2t [ Jan-29-2012 19:30 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/6ph3ubg ]
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20120129 22:03:05< Necrosporus> What's libwesnoth for?
20120129 22:05:23-!- gfamt [~gfmt@99-136-80-191.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth
20120129 22:06:58< shadowm> it's a collection of object files that implement various internal aspects
20120129 22:07:35< shadowm> none of the internal .a collections are intended to be used as actual shared ojbect libraries, if that's what you are wondering
20120129 22:08:20< gfamt> I'm having trouble compiling Wesnoth 1.10. An SDL struct in clipboard.cpp is claiming to be missing something. What can I do? Is this a known issue?
20120129 22:09:35< Necrosporus> gfamt, check if you have libsdl and libsdl-dev stuff installed
20120129 22:09:46< Necrosporus> you are probably missing something
20120129 22:09:59< gfamt> O.k. I'll check.
20120129 22:10:58< shadowm> you may want to paste the complete error(s) in a pastebin (http://pastebin.com) if you can't solve the issue
20120129 22:11:55< gfamt> O.k.
20120129 22:13:00< Necrosporus> Why autotools is not supported? That was the build system I'm most familiar with, while SCons is not even installed by default in my slackware
20120129 22:13:27< shadowm> autotools support was dropped during the 1.9.x development cycle.
20120129 22:13:37< Necrosporus> yeah, but why?
20120129 22:14:27< shadowm> because it was not maintained anymore
20120129 22:16:44< gfamt> I have all the SDL packages I can think of to install, but it is still not working. Compile error: http://pastebin.com/GHttjyzx
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20120129 22:17:55< shadowm> gfamt: you are using SDL 1.2.x, right? do you have the X11 (Xlib) library development files installed too?
20120129 22:18:01< shadowm> in fact, what platform is this?
20120129 22:18:47< ancestral> Gambit: http://r.wesnoth.org/t36003
20120129 22:19:07< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: it was dropped because working with it (on the dev side) really sucks
20120129 22:19:10< Gambit> Indeed.
20120129 22:19:17< Gambit> er indeed @ancestral
20120129 22:19:23< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: noone of us was volunteering to keep it up to date
20120129 22:19:58< shadowm> TBH it was dropped because a single developer decided it had to be dropped
20120129 22:20:01< gfamt> I have libx11 and libx11-dev installed. Ubuntu 11.10.
20120129 22:20:17< Ivanovic> shadowm: it was dropped because the single developer left maintaining it left
20120129 22:20:28< Ivanovic> and at that time it was already broken and noone wanted to fix it
20120129 22:20:51< shadowm> Ivanovic: wrong. He removed it before leaving.
20120129 22:20:53< Ivanovic> gfamt: have you tried to apt-get build-essentials wesnoth-1.9 or however it is called?
20120129 22:21:18< Ivanovic> shadowm: ah, okay, anyway, he was the last dev still using and maintaining it
20120129 22:22:03< Ivanovic> sudo apt-get build-dep wesnoth-1.9
20120129 22:22:04< shadowm> gfamt: the command Ivanovic mentions should actually be sudo apt-get build-dep wesnoth-1.9
20120129 22:22:08< Ivanovic> (or something along those lines)
20120129 22:22:33< gfamt> O.k. I'll need to re-add the repo for the dev though.
20120129 22:22:35< Ivanovic> not sure how the package is called, though you could check if the 1.10 package Rhonda created is already available via your package manager, too
20120129 22:23:01< shadowm> I believe she already published 1.10 in the PPA
20120129 22:23:33< gfamt> Only 1.8 is there from what I have seen.
20120129 22:25:03< shadowm> "backports will be available in a few weeks time" hm
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20120129 22:25:26< Necrosporus> Is there any file which can be edited manually, containing what's ccmake offers?
20120129 22:25:47< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: ccmake .
20120129 22:25:55< Ivanovic> then you will see the possible options
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20120129 22:26:00< Necrosporus> yes
20120129 22:26:04< shadowm> CMakeCache.txt
20120129 22:26:06< Necrosporus> But that's interactive
20120129 22:26:19< Ivanovic> and those options can be used by prefixing them with a -D
20120129 22:26:31< Necrosporus> anyways, I'm making the package right now
20120129 22:26:40< Ivanovic> so setting ENABLE_SERVER to true looks like this as cmake param: -DENABLE_SERVER=true
20120129 22:26:41< Necrosporus> Slackware package... 
20120129 22:27:12< Ivanovic> for the slackware package don't forget to add the patch listed in the forum release announcement!
20120129 22:27:50< Necrosporus> Why?
20120129 22:27:56< Necrosporus> Which one?
20120129 22:28:09< Necrosporus> I didn't add any patch, only changed paths
20120129 22:28:21< shadowm> the listed in the forum release announcement, of course
20120129 22:28:28< shadowm> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36001 
20120129 22:28:47< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: look at "known issues" and follow the link "this patch"
20120129 22:29:27< gfamt> I added the repo, and build-dep wesnoth-1.9 is not installing anything new.
20120129 22:30:10< Necrosporus> I do not want to rebuild entire package...
20120129 22:30:21< Necrosporus> Is it possible to fix without rebuilding?
20120129 22:30:36< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: if you still have the created object files only a tiny fraction should be rebuilt
20120129 22:31:11< Ivanovic> that is: if you are defining "PREFERENCES_DIR" then you don't need this patch
20120129 22:31:17< Ivanovic> if you don't then you really want it
20120129 22:31:25< Necrosporus> Why?
20120129 22:31:42< shadowm> have you even read the bug description?
20120129 22:31:47< Necrosporus> That's not a problem because I will never want to play wesnoth 1.1
20120129 22:31:48< Ivanovic> "    If you are using Linux, FreeBSD, or other X11-based platforms and building from source, you’ll most likely want to apply this patch. It fixes an issue (bug #19318) causing the wrong path to be used for your user preferences directory. This patch is only relevant if you are using the source tarball and rely on the default layout; that is, haven’t overridden the preferences path at compile time. All known packagers were notified of 
20120129 22:31:49< Ivanovic> the issue and if you rely on precompiled binaries this fix should already be included with them (e.g. Debian and Gentoo already use this patch for their packages)."
20120129 22:32:09< shadowm> that is a problem because Wesnoth 1.8.1 will use a different path
20120129 22:32:09< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: it is a problem because 1.10.1 will store the userdata in the correct folder
20120129 22:32:13< shadowm> I mean 1.10.1
20120129 22:32:21< Ivanovic> and this way the old saves won't appear directly for the users
20120129 22:32:27< Necrosporus> That's not a problem to issue mv manually
20120129 22:32:45< shadowm> It's up to you to decide how to best serve your users, of course.
20120129 22:32:57< Necrosporus> This package is only for me
20120129 22:33:19< Gambit> That's a lot of work for seemingly little purpose :s
20120129 22:33:40< Necrosporus> Slackware package ../wesnoth-1.10-x86_64-1_manual.txz created.
20120129 22:34:29< shadowm> You don't even need to install Wesnoth to use it, indeed.
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20120129 22:38:15< ancestral> I love the this Montréal mirror, iWeb
20120129 22:38:44< ancestral> Downloading at around 1 MB/s
20120129 22:39:29< Ivanovic> ancestral: the sf.net mirrors tend to be really good to me, allowing to saturate my connection with ~1.6MB/s
20120129 22:40:13< Ivanovic> the mirror usually being "SWITCH" in zurich
20120129 22:40:26< ancestral> Good to know
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20120129 22:53:03< Necrosporus> Is it possible to see player IP address in the wesnoth lobby?
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20120129 22:53:49< gfamt> Does anyone have any ideas as to why it will not compile?
20120129 22:54:31< salty-horse> shadowm, hey. what's the meaning of "status: none" on http://gna.org/bugs/?12162 ?
20120129 22:55:08< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: the ips are visible where the server was started
20120129 22:55:15< Ivanovic> in the lobby itself for players: no
20120129 22:55:49< Ivanovic> gfamt: which CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS are you using?
20120129 22:56:11< Necrosporus> So, it's not a concern for privacy if I'm playing on official server?
20120129 22:56:26< Necrosporus> Some other games use direct connection so IPs is visible
20120129 22:56:43< Ivanovic> all communication goes via the server
20120129 22:56:45< shadowm> No, but you should quit IRC if you are concerned about privacy, and seek a proxy/use Tor, etc.
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20120129 22:57:15< shadowm> (And no, unaffiliated cloaks are not the ultimate solution.)
20120129 22:58:19< gfamt> Ivanovic, Where can I find the flags being used?
20120129 22:58:44< Rhonda> shadowm: no 1.10 in the PPA. the PPA is for the devel releases. 1.10 is in regular precise repository
20120129 22:59:17< shadowm> Rhonda: yeah, I suspected that after re-reading your timeline.
20120129 23:00:09< Ivanovic> gfamt: which build system are you using?
20120129 23:00:30< Ivanovic> in general an echo $CFLAGS or echo $CXXFLAGS is a good start
20120129 23:01:22< gfamt> Both variables appear empty.
20120129 23:01:27< shadowm> salty-horse: it means it was un-postponed. It was previously marked as Postponed because of a feature freeze (apparently for 1.8), and it was never un-Postponed because of an increasingly concerning trend amongst developers of misusing the tracker.
20120129 23:01:43< shadowm> (and I did mean 1.8 this time)
20120129 23:02:44< salty-horse> ok. thanks :)
20120129 23:03:29< salty-horse> been a few years :P
20120129 23:04:00< shadowm> yeah :(
20120129 23:04:57< Ivanovic> gfamt: sorry, but your information does not tell me anything regarding what might be wrong for you
20120129 23:09:25< Aethaeryn> wesbot: seen crab_
20120129 23:09:25< wesbot> Aethaeryn: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 6d 3h ago.  2d 11h ago they were seen quitting on the channel #wesnoth-dev with the message: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
20120129 23:09:27< Aethaeryn> wesbot: seen crab__
20120129 23:09:28< wesbot> Aethaeryn: Sorry, I don't know of crab__.
20120129 23:09:30< Aethaeryn> wesbot: seen crab___
20120129 23:09:30< wesbot> Aethaeryn: Person, who 3d 1h ago used nick Crab___, last spoke 6d 3h ago.  2d 11h ago as Crab_ they were seen quitting on the channel #wesnoth-dev with the message: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
20120129 23:09:52< Aethaeryn> Sorry for the spam, this person has a million nicks
20120129 23:10:23< Ivanovic> Aethaeryn: you can also /query wesbot
20120129 23:10:30< Ivanovic> and just talk to wesbot directly in the query
20120129 23:10:32< Aethaeryn> oh
20120129 23:10:40< gfamt> O.k. I'll give up for now and maybe blame the OS distro.
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20120129 23:20:07< gandaro> Hi!  Is there a PPA for the latest stable Wesnoth release?
20120129 23:31:17< ancestral> PPA == Personal Pacakage Archive, for Ubuntu?
20120129 23:31:31< ancestral> *Package
20120129 23:38:40< shadowm> Rhonda said the PPA is only for development versions, so you may have to wait for it to hit your backports repository.
20120129 23:39:57< shadowm> (assuming it isn't there already; I haven't checked since I work directly with my own builds of Wesnoth from svn on Debian testing)
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