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20120206 03:43:45< ancestral> My preferences seem to get reset often with 1.10 for OS X
20120206 03:43:53< ancestral> I'll see if I can figure out a way to reproduce it
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20120206 04:26:19< AI0867> shadowm: espreon and me have mostly taken over the wescamp stuff now and some ways to actually integrate wescamp into campaignd were discussed at FOSDEM
20120206 04:28:09< shadowm> Excellent.
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20120206 06:05:41< Ivanovic> moin
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20120206 06:11:54< Sirp> Ivanovic: how was FOSDEM?
20120206 06:12:04< Ivanovic> it was cool
20120206 06:12:16< Ivanovic> though different than the last years since we only had one real wesnoth hacking day
20120206 06:12:37< Ivanovic> the other day was filled with the gaming devroom with presentations from various projects
20120206 06:12:56< Ivanovic> the gaming devroom seems to have been a huge success, most talks full, some over full
20120206 06:13:43< Ivanovic> (in theory we were only allowed 74 people in the room, i think in some talks we were slightly above this, in one i had to stop more people from entering so that we don't get a problem with the fosdem folks)
20120206 06:14:55< Ivanovic> not so nice was the weather
20120206 06:15:06< Ivanovic> it was cold and there was even a little snow which fell on friday
20120206 06:15:26< Ivanovic> the problem is that all traffic broke down on friday and some backlash was felt the following days, too
20120206 06:16:45< Ivanovic> traffic broke down = 1200km traffic jam in little belgium (had no idea they actually had enough motorways for this!) + no busses in the direction of the town center in brussels + trams were supposed to work but did not arrive either
20120206 06:17:11< Ivanovic> and during fosdem crab was insane again...
20120206 06:17:19< Espreon> What'd he do this time?
20120206 06:17:22< Ivanovic> he managed to get the AI to be more able to play campaigns
20120206 06:17:38< Espreon> That's nice, I guess.
20120206 06:17:44< Ivanovic> eg he managed to get it beat two brothers without any interaction on easy
20120206 06:17:57< Ivanovic> so: start it, keep your hands away from the keyboard and just let it play
20120206 06:18:59< Ivanovic> during dinner at the greek on saturday he implemented difficulty selection for mp campaigns
20120206 06:20:52< Espreon> That's also nice.
20120206 06:20:56< Ivanovic> jepp
20120206 06:21:14< Espreon> Hmmm, damn it, you said "greek". Now I want dolmadakia.
20120206 06:21:15< Ivanovic> just seeing how fast he gets this stuff done is still hard to believe
20120206 06:21:25< Espreon> ... and I won't be able to get any till Tuesday.
20120206 06:21:49< Ivanovic> Espreon: funny fakt: mordante does not eat his dolmadakia which are included on the gyros+salat+fries plate
20120206 06:21:55< Ivanovic> ;)
20120206 06:22:30< Espreon> ... How dare he.
20120206 06:22:51< Ivanovic> that is fine with me, this way i got his!
20120206 06:22:56< Ivanovic> :)
20120206 06:23:10< Ivanovic> though yeah, i am rather tired now after fosdem
20120206 06:23:42< Ivanovic> especially since i had two nights with "not too much sleep" in brussels (had to get up at 7am yesterday so that we managed to be there for the games devroom (which was my responsibility) in time
20120206 06:24:10< Espreon> mordante: But really, what is wrong with you?
20120206 06:24:22< Ivanovic> and today i got up at 6am since i'll be bringing crab over to the airport in 35min (he stayed here over night taking a flight back to poland from dortmund)
20120206 06:24:33< Espreon> It's dolma-freaking-dakia. How could you not want to eat it?
20120206 06:24:44< Ivanovic> Espreon: though the dolmadakia there were cold, i also prefer them slightly warm, they are fine anyway
20120206 06:25:37< Espreon> I like 'em cold.
20120206 06:25:58< shadowm> I imagine some of you took some delicious decisions to hear about in the mailing list.
20120206 06:26:02< Ivanovic> they are okay cold, but slightly warm (not hot, dare you!) they are even better
20120206 06:26:25< Espreon> Maybe
20120206 06:26:29< Ivanovic> though we discussed lots of stuff
20120206 06:26:48< Espreon> Hopefully nothing involving me.
20120206 06:27:01< Espreon> ... especially me getting off of my lazy ass to do work.
20120206 06:27:50< Ivanovic> basically in various areas: migration to git, wescamp integration in the addon server (to finally get all steps automated!), "we want a new tutorial if possible", difficulty levels and how to name them (getting rid of the "campaign difficulty" making the selected difficuly absolute), reworking the campaign selection dialog and possible mockups, ...
20120206 06:28:02< shadowm> silly Espreon, assigning people for tasks without their approval is not for Wesnoth developers!
20120206 06:28:18< Ivanovic> ah, there is one which might interest you, too, Espreon
20120206 06:28:24< Espreon> Oh?
20120206 06:28:30< Ivanovic> updating mainline content to make use of the latest WML techniques
20120206 06:28:43< Espreon> Hmmmmm, that sounds an awful lot like me doing work.
20120206 06:29:03< Ivanovic> it was more something that fendrin wanted to work on, though everybody is welcome to jump in there
20120206 06:29:06< shadowm> besides LoW and UtBS I doubt there are many mainline campaign scenarios that could apply
20120206 06:29:18< shadowm> NR? what is that? ;)
20120206 06:29:36< Ivanovic> shadowm: it is more like a general "wml review" of all campaigns
20120206 06:29:48< Espreon> Ivanovic: I might be in a better mode next Tuesday.
20120206 06:29:53< Espreon> ... so... yeah...
20120206 06:29:57< Ivanovic> i gave him the go ahead for two brothers and there he managed to get rid of some 400 LoC in the third scenario
20120206 06:30:00< Espreon> Mood even
20120206 06:30:30< Ivanovic> Espreon: personally i think the best approach would be to create some "best practices" page in the wiki listing some common "old things" and adding the more elegant and better "new approach"
20120206 06:30:51< Espreon> Sounds like a good idea, but that involve someone writing something.
20120206 06:31:07< Ivanovic> (like making sure that units required for a scenario are also available when in debug mode and skipping over via :n)
20120206 06:31:07< Espreon> *that would
20120206 06:31:08< shadowm> we've been wanting a new tutorial since *1.5.x*
20120206 06:31:14< Ivanovic> jepp
20120206 06:31:33< shadowm> so that isn't news to me; the real dilemma is who will write it
20120206 06:32:06< Ivanovic> we voted for zookeper since he once said he wants to do so
20120206 06:32:11< Ivanovic> ;)
20120206 06:32:12< shadowm> and since it's a tutorial you can't just take esr and making dump a crapload of text on it and call it mission accomplished; you'll need someone who understands gameplay better
20120206 06:32:19< shadowm> *make him
20120206 06:32:19< Espreon> Speaking of the tutorial, I need to see if I can kill that variable use in that certain translatable string...
20120206 06:33:02< Espreon> ... otherwise, some languages will have problems... And yes, ones that people actually care about˙
20120206 06:33:06< Espreon> *t.
20120206 06:33:22< shadowm> as for the campaign dialog and difficulty stuff, I'm really interested in hearing about that, especially since tonight I got a new idea for the campaign dialog
20120206 06:33:44< shadowm> blah http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=36061
20120206 06:34:00< Ivanovic> those are just some of the topics we discussed
20120206 06:34:22< Ivanovic> okay, this year we were only 7 wesnoth folks at fosdem instead of the mighty 13 from last year
20120206 06:34:22< Espreon> Blargh, using variables in translatable strings is evil...
20120206 06:34:24< Ivanovic> still it was nice
20120206 06:34:40< Espreon> But yeah, in general, "my $unit.language_name" is hella unsafe.
20120206 06:34:51< shadowm> Espreon: blargh yes I agree blargh :|
20120206 06:34:53< shadowm> blargh
20120206 06:35:00< Espreon> After all, Italian would have to suffer.
20120206 06:35:08< Espreon> And AFAIK, people give a shit about Italian.
20120206 06:35:42< shadowm> I think you know that our standpoint is to support every language we have on the list
20120206 06:36:13< Espreon> Yupz.
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20120206 08:47:25< YogiHH> hi everyone
20120206 08:48:15< YogiHH> Oleg|percona: i suppose you are the one that asked about the save_index functionality? I sent you an answer about that.
20120206 08:48:25< shadowm> yes, he was
20120206 08:48:30< Oleg|percona> YogiHH: Thank you very much!
20120206 08:48:46< shadowm> just to clarify, the GUI2 version of the Load Game dialog is still guarded by the --new-widgets witch
20120206 08:48:50< shadowm> switch :p
20120206 08:49:01< YogiHH> Oleg|percona: You are welcome. If there are any further questions i will try to help out as good as i can.
20120206 08:50:53 * Oleg|percona completed read of YogiHH answer
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20120206 09:04:27< Oleg|percona> Suppose I added new file to the project
20120206 09:04:35< Oleg|percona> Which the right way to add in to all related files?
20120206 09:04:53< Oleg|percona> I added it to src/CMakeLists.txt, src/SConsc..., projects/ files
20120206 09:05:00< Oleg|percona> What I missed?
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20120206 09:20:19< vultraz> Oleg|percona: the Xcode projfile?
20120206 09:20:33< Oleg|percona> vultraz: Yes, all projectfiles, of course
20120206 09:20:38< Oleg|percona> vultraz: I updated these
20120206 09:20:41< Oleg|percona> Which another?
20120206 09:21:24< vultraz> mk I think that's all...but don't ask me
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20120206 10:20:13< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers’ Discussions • Re: [STATUS] Forum/MP server login changes for Wesnoth 1.10 by cbb520happy [ 02-06-2012 09:16 ] [ http://r.wesnoth.org/p520256 ]
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20120206 16:08:31< lipk> AI0867: would you update wescamp, please? especially After_the_Storm and The_Devils_Flute (not yet added)
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20120206 18:08:43< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: I'm missing some "FOSDEM posting" in the forum :)
20120206 18:08:47< fendrin> hello
20120206 18:08:55< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: pah!
20120206 18:08:59< Ivanovic> got other stuff to do...
20120206 18:09:35< Ivanovic> (like reading the contract for my new job, writing the speakers at fosdem a mail, asking for their consent on publishing their talk, stuff like this)
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20120206 18:14:29< Ivanovic> hi fendrin
20120206 18:14:35< Ivanovic> fendrin: so you got home successfully?
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20120206 18:34:17< fendrin> Ivanovic: I had that one hour + delay waiting at a train station without station building. That was really cold after half an hour.
20120206 18:35:46< fendrin> Ivanovic: I wandered through the village near of it but it was abandoned as well. Every tavern had closed beside it was just 10 pm when I arrived.  
20120206 18:36:26< Ivanovic> brrrr, that is not too nice
20120206 18:37:26< fendrin> Regarding what I had to pay for the transportation it is really annoying. I hate the deutsche bahn being privatisiert. 
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20120206 19:04:27< mordante> servus
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20120206 19:10:11< mordante> Ivanovic, it's an open-source dolmadakia, it's shared
20120206 19:10:33< mordante> like olives, also open-source food
20120206 19:12:54< CIA-90> mordante * r52928 /trunk/src/ (3 files): 
20120206 19:12:54< CIA-90> Move header code to the implementation.
20120206 19:12:54< CIA-90> This reduces the number of includes in the header.
20120206 19:14:25< vultraz> timotei21: still no luck
20120206 19:15:17< timotei21> vultraz: with?
20120206 19:15:40< vultraz> XCode builds still crash 
20120206 19:15:47< vultraz> even with a fresh checkout 
20120206 19:16:54< vultraz> for some reason, it just won't show the title screen.....
20120206 19:17:11< timotei21> vultraz: what about cmake stuff? :P
20120206 19:17:12< vultraz> maybe it's something with my computer....
20120206 19:17:24< vultraz> last I tried it failed
20120206 19:19:41< vultraz> humm
20120206 19:19:55< vultraz> I wonder if I should try a fresh download of the MacCompileStuff
20120206 19:20:11< timotei21> You could
20120206 19:20:13< timotei21> But
20120206 19:20:16< timotei21> I for one would try cmake
20120206 19:20:21< timotei21> Since XCode doesn't work for me too
20120206 19:20:34< timotei21> CMake is likely less to have problems based on what I saw
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20120206 19:21:09< vultraz> XCode builds crashed for you too?
20120206 19:21:38< timotei21> Yeah :)
20120206 19:21:43< shadowm_laptop> timotei21: *less likely
20120206 19:21:52< vultraz> same error or diff
20120206 19:21:54< timotei21> shadowm: Ah, thanks :)
20120206 19:22:17< timotei21> vultraz: but I REALLY wonder why the differences...
20120206 19:22:30< timotei21> I mean, besides installing macports, and patching that lil boost header...
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20120206 19:22:44< timotei21> We should get the same results...
20120206 19:23:05< shadowm_laptop> I suggested making cure C++0x/C++11 code generation isn't enabled, but I'm not sure if vultraz actually succeeded in following my instructions.
20120206 19:23:25< vultraz> I don't know how
20120206 19:23:35< Rhonda> werd hoffentlich dran denken
20120206 19:23:40< timotei21> shadowm_laptop: well.. cmake worked fine out of the box.
20120206 19:23:45< Rhonda> '[
20120206 19:23:49< shadowm> timotei21: Xcode, not cmake
20120206 19:23:51< timotei21> so he shouldn't need to do any extra steps, since we both have the same OS version
20120206 19:23:54< timotei21> Ah, ok
20120206 19:23:56< Rhonda> werd hoffentlich dran denken'[[]
20120206 19:24:10< vultraz> turning that one option off that referred to C++0x didn't make it work 
20120206 19:24:28< shadowm> is it possible Xcode turns on some other silly Apple-specific option?
20120206 19:24:41< timotei21> shadowm: IDK, it seems it's some problem with whatever.
20120206 19:24:44< vultraz> I don't know.....
20120206 19:24:47< timotei21> mordante and elias tried them too
20120206 19:24:55< timotei21> But got around that string disposal stuff too
20120206 19:25:01< timotei21> Like vultraz's did
20120206 19:25:11< timotei21> IDK what's happenning there :(
20120206 19:25:15< shadowm> does that mean they found it, or they fixed it?
20120206 19:25:22< Ivanovic> mordante: are you sure that it is "open source" or is it just "share alike"?
20120206 19:25:24< timotei21> They found it, but no fix IIRC
20120206 19:25:39< shadowm> okay
20120206 19:26:12< vultraz> who does Lion have to cause so many problems.....
20120206 19:27:14< shadowm> I've heard Lion introduced many architectural changes
20120206 19:27:26< timotei21> vultraz: so cmake throws that unreferenced Cocoa stuff?
20120206 19:27:27< shadowm> think WIndows Vista over Windows XP, if you've ever used Windows
20120206 19:27:49< timotei21> vultraz: I wonder why. probably because maybe there are leftovers from 10.6?
20120206 19:27:52< vultraz> I've used Windows....
20120206 19:27:54< timotei21> or 10.5 or even 10.4
20120206 19:28:16< timotei21> vultraz: if you modified the CMake file to include the "-framework CoreFoundation"
20120206 19:28:20< timotei21> ...
20120206 19:28:25< timotei21> It should really haveworked
20120206 19:28:30< timotei21> But IDK...
20120206 19:28:33< shadowm> *append that to the linking flags def
20120206 19:28:51< timotei21> Yeah.
20120206 19:28:56< shadowm> CMAKE_EXE_LINKER_FLAGS, here
20120206 19:29:42< CIA-90> mordante * r52929 /trunk/src/SConscript: Forgot scons file in last commit.
20120206 19:29:44< timotei21> shadowm: I did it like this: http://pastebin.com/K6QKTXrt
20120206 19:29:50< shadowm> ... the difference above being that the Apple people tend to be far more bold with their architectural changes than Microsoft, since they don't believe in backwards compatibility
20120206 19:30:00< shadowm> or so I heard from an Apple fanboy
20120206 19:30:13< timotei21> shadowm: yep. They don't like backwards compatiblity at all
20120206 19:30:14< timotei21> :(
20120206 19:30:30< timotei21> I guess... you sometimes have to make one "bad" decision...
20120206 19:30:42< shadowm> timotei21: pastebin is down
20120206 19:30:47< timotei21> no.
20120206 19:30:50< timotei21> Not for me anyway
20120206 19:30:57< vultraz> for me too
20120206 19:31:04< timotei21> http://pastebin.com/K6QKTXrt
20120206 19:31:09< timotei21> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/pastebin.com
20120206 19:31:09< shadowm> ah back
20120206 19:31:10< timotei21> :P
20120206 19:31:40< shadowm> timotei21: repasting the link wouldn't do any good
20120206 19:31:51< shadowm> anyway is that supposed to be patch for mainline or what?
20120206 19:31:52< timotei21> shadowm: it was by mistake. I wanted to paste the other link 
20120206 19:32:00< shadowm> no, both links are the same
20120206 19:32:13< vultraz> hum
20120206 19:32:14< timotei21> shadowm: instead of the pastebin, I wanted to paste: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/pastebin.com
20120206 19:32:18< vultraz> I haven't tried cmake on my fresh checkout yet...
20120206 19:32:23< timotei21> But apparently firefox didn't copy the path first time :P
20120206 19:32:29< shadowm> that is: as far as I care, cmake code is all gibberish
20120206 19:32:46< timotei21> well, we could try scons...
20120206 19:32:58< shadowm> but I do suspect you are making a change that should have been committed
20120206 19:33:45< timotei21> Kinda. For me it worked without that
20120206 19:33:55< timotei21> Probably because I have a clean Lion installation
20120206 19:34:11< timotei21> vultraz: try again with that CMake modification pls
20120206 19:34:15< timotei21> And exclude the INCLUDE line
20120206 19:34:21< timotei21>  remove, that is
20120206 19:34:28< shadowm> Well, if Apple messed up the upgrade path I guess vultraz could try suing them for great amounts of money!
20120206 19:35:23< shadowm> I still believe switching to a less closed-down OS would be a better idea.
20120206 19:36:29< shadowm> locked-down
20120206 19:36:30< timotei21> Well, if it's a problem with builiding on OS X, we should fix it :P
20120206 19:36:52< timotei21> Only by perseverance one can achieve "things"
20120206 19:37:47< shadowm> sure, tell yourself that
20120206 19:37:58< shadowm> now re[Bnow try being poor little vultraz for a day
20120206 19:38:16< shadowm> if you know him, you'll be able to tell why there's a big problem with that approach
20120206 19:38:28< shadowm> ;)
20120206 19:38:58< shadowm> (Also, he's been spamming this and my channel for weeks already. Isn't that enough perseverance for any sane person?)
20120206 19:39:40< timotei21> :D
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20120206 19:42:55 * fendrin can't compile the 1.10 branch. Scons claims that "Checking for Ogg Vorbis support in SDL... (cached) no" is a problem.
20120206 19:43:38< fendrin> trunk still compiles fine.
20120206 19:43:44< shadowm> fendrin: scons --config=force 
20120206 19:43:59< fendrin> it is a fresh svn checkout
20120206 19:44:07< fendrin> but I will try
20120206 19:44:56< vultraz> blagagagag cmake is running.....be back later
20120206 19:45:20< fendrin> shadowm: same result
20120206 19:45:35< shadowm> fendrin: pastebin build/config.log
20120206 19:47:13< fendrin> shadowm: http://pastebin.com/8Pyjyapc
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20120206 19:48:25< shadowm> looks like the test program can't load data/core/music/main_menu.ogg
20120206 19:49:38< shadowm> loonycyborg could probably provide more help
20120206 19:50:39< fendrin> shadowm: Thank you. I got the problem with your help. I have removed the ogg file. To save space on my ssd. 
20120206 19:50:51< shadowm> ... okay.
20120206 19:52:03< loonycyborg> fendrin: And just how much that ssd has in total?
20120206 19:52:36< fendrin> loonycyborg: 64GB
20120206 19:53:30< Ivanovic> fendrin: can you, uhm, cheat by symlinking the trunk music folder?
20120206 19:53:32< Ivanovic> ;)
20120206 19:53:52< loonycyborg> That's indeed kinda small, but wesnoth's total checkout isn't much more than several Gb
20120206 19:53:53< shadowm> there's no valid reason the test doesn't use silence.ogg anyway
20120206 19:54:31< fendrin> loonycyborg: Sure, but I have about 10 branches around. That makes ~2GB alone for the duplicate music.
20120206 19:55:12< fendrin> loonycyborg: And having them around on the ssd is so comfortable. It speeds up compilation significantly.
20120206 19:55:16< loonycyborg> shadowm: iirc I used whatever autotools used.
20120206 19:55:37< shadowm> yeah, I know because I once copied the autotools test for my own use
20120206 19:55:56< fendrin> Ivanovic: I should try. That is indeed the simplest and best solution, but it will certainly confuse the svn system.
20120206 19:56:07< mordante> shadowm, found the Mac issue, but looks like random corruption
20120206 19:56:16< loonycyborg> In any case this is kinda irrelevant given that the sound isn't actually played..
20120206 19:56:17 * shadowm hugs his 500 GiB hard disk drive.
20120206 19:56:20< Ivanovic> fendrin: it should not confuse it more than just deleting files
20120206 19:57:09< mcnigelmcgruff> Hello, need some help with modifying wesnothd. Am attempting to build a ladder system into the wesnothd executable. Have successfully added database functionality to it, but need help finding a way to know if a player is dead. Someone suggested to me that I intercept data in process_turn, but I can't find any relevant wml for finding that a player is dead. Does anyone have suggestions? Just need the code to know that a p
20120206 19:57:25< shadowm> mcnigelmcgruff: cut off at "Just need the code to know that a p"
20120206 19:57:39< mordante> Ivanovic, I don't care too much as long as it magically disappears from my plate ;-)
20120206 19:57:57< mcnigelmcgruff> Sorry, *Just need the code to know that a player is dead, can take it form there.
20120206 20:00:03< loonycyborg> If I were you I'd just made it print all wml it relays and studied it.
20120206 20:00:23< loonycyborg> In fact I've don't just that in asio_wesnothd branch :P
20120206 20:00:28< loonycyborg> *done
20120206 20:01:02< mcnigelmcgruff> Thanks, I'll give it a try.
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20120206 20:08:46< anonymissimus> mordante: how was debugging on Mac ? :P
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20120206 20:21:04< mordante> anonymissimus, it has gdb :-)
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20120206 20:32:55< CIA-90> fendrin * r52930 /branches/1.10/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (_main.cfg units/): Removed a test unit I forgot about.
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20120206 20:44:13< Ivanovic> for those interested in the talks from the games devroom: there are some audio recordings already available, more might follow...
20120206 20:44:15< Ivanovic> http://files.unknown-horizons.org/~fosdem/
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20120206 21:04:06< Ivanovic> yes, boucmans talk is already available (slides as well as audio)
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20120206 21:04:42< CIA-90> boucman * r52931 /trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): apply patch 2642 by faab with khalifate removed. a similar changed needs to be made there when it's added back to mainline
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20120206 21:21:15< CIA-90> anonymissimus * r52932 /trunk/projectfiles/VC9/wesnoth.vcproj: VC9 projectfile update
20120206 21:21:44< CIA-90> anonymissimus * r52933 /trunk/projectfiles/CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp: CB projectfile update
20120206 21:24:24< anonymissimus> wesbot: patch 2642
20120206 21:24:25< wesbot> Patch #2642  Assigned to: Jérémy Rosen <boucman>  Status: Done  Priority: 3 - Low
20120206 21:24:28< wesbot> Summary: MP default era: Use random leader when pick faction
20120206 21:24:30< wesbot> Original submission: This patch allows to have the random leader selected when
20120206 21:24:33< wesbot>  a faction is picked. For example, if a player selects Loyalists, the random lea
20120206 21:24:36< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/patch/?2642
20120206 21:24:39< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/patch/download.php?file_id=13674
20120206 21:25:04< boucman> anonymissimus: for khalifate you just need to set the default to "random" 
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20120206 21:27:26< CIA-90> mordante * r52935 /trunk/src/terrain_translation.cpp: 
20120206 21:27:26< CIA-90> Remove a variable which is only assigned.
20120206 21:27:26< CIA-90> Issue found by cppcheck.
20120206 21:27:30< CIA-90> mordante * r52934 /trunk/src/multiplayer_wait.cpp: 
20120206 21:27:30< CIA-90> Remove a variable which is only assigned.
20120206 21:27:30< CIA-90> Issue found by cppcheck.
20120206 21:27:31< CIA-90> mordante * r52936 /trunk/src/image.cpp: 
20120206 21:27:31< CIA-90> Remove a variable which is only assigned.
20120206 21:27:31< CIA-90> Issue found by cppcheck.
20120206 21:27:31< CIA-90> mordante * r52937 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/chat_log.cpp: Initialize all members.
20120206 21:27:31< CIA-90> mordante * r52938 /trunk/src/replay.cpp: Initialize all members.
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20120206 21:27:36< CIA-90> mordante * r52941 /trunk/src/ (game_display.cpp unit.cpp): Strip trailing whitespace.
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20120206 21:31:04< anonymissimus> boucman: uh oh, but there we have the first problem with several versions...the khalifate addon is ment for 1.10 not trunk
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20120206 21:31:33< anonymissimus> I could use #ifver
20120206 21:31:56< boucman> anonymissimus: no big deal, IIRC you could ifver it
20120206 21:32:03< anonymissimus> yes
20120206 21:32:09< anonymissimus> but do we want that ?
20120206 21:32:27< boucman> that's the best way not to forget when K. is mainlined
20120206 21:32:41< boucman> or you could do it when adding to mainline, but chances of forgetting are higher
20120206 21:34:35< happygrue> I'm not sure there is agreement in general, but I would support adding khalifate back to trunk sooner rather than later
20120206 21:35:23< boucman> happygrue: that's a polemical topic
20120206 21:35:26< boucman> :)
20120206 21:35:28< happygrue> hehe
20120206 21:35:32 * happygrue hides in the dark
20120206 21:36:27< anonymissimus> AI0867: , Espreon so what about the breanching in the UMC repo, will there be any ?
20120206 21:36:35< boucman> though it's more procedural than pholosophical... i.e what's the most practical way to get them balanced enough to be mainlined
20120206 21:36:54< shadowm> in general, I do not agree about adding Khalifate to trunk again if there's no guarantee that they'll not be removed later 
20120206 21:37:14< anonymissimus> yep, as I said, the people who can balance it will practically never be on the dev server until late 1.11
20120206 21:37:24< shadowm> otherwise users might think we are playing a very stupid game with them
20120206 21:38:11< boucman> ok...
20120206 21:38:55< anonymissimus> and yes, removing them again would be very unfortunate for people who use them in their addons
20120206 21:39:01< happygrue> yeah, that much is true.
20120206 21:39:44< boucman> ok, i'll bow the te prevailing viewpoint then :)
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20120206 21:43:00< anonymissimus> boucman: patch seems flawed, there are 2 entries for random now
20120206 21:43:06< anonymissimus> this is with default ers
20120206 21:43:10< anonymissimus> *era
20120206 21:43:11< boucman> huh ?
20120206 21:43:20< fendrin> hi boucman
20120206 21:43:36< boucman> thought I had checked that???
20120206 21:44:04< anonymissimus> well I see "Zufall"twice for the leader type
20120206 21:44:14< boucman> anonymissimus: what faction ?
20120206 21:44:22< anonymissimus> all apparently
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20120206 21:44:57< boucman> that's weird I don't have that problem at all...
20120206 21:45:04< shadowm> How long will this development cycle last, anyway?
20120206 21:45:08< boucman> you don't have any local change, do you ?
20120206 21:45:20< anonymissimus> boucman: wait a sec
20120206 21:45:20< boucman> shadowm: we'll try to do it shorter than 1.10 :P
20120206 21:45:37< shadowm> IIRC the only reason 1.9.x lasted two years instead of the usual 1 year was the whiteboard project that took two GSoC seasons.
20120206 21:46:24< shadowm> Or perhaps that was an unstated reason and there was never an official word on the matter.
20120206 21:46:41< shadowm> *never was
20120206 21:47:03< anonymissimus> boucman: sry for alarm, I didn't have the C++ part compiled in
20120206 21:47:18< boucman> k, np
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20120206 21:58:58< anonymissimus> shadowm: how does #ifver work in networked MP ? do the remote clients get sent the evaluation result from the host ?
20120206 21:59:38< anonymissimus> even if it is in multiplayer_side of a require_era=yes era ?
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20120206 21:59:59< anonymissimus> tough question I guess
20120206 22:00:06< shadowm> it works like any other preprocessor directive
20120206 22:00:18< anonymissimus> depends on preprocessor details
20120206 22:01:05< shadowm> that is to say, I have no idea at all, but I suspect the original person hosting the game is the one that delivers the WML to wesnothd and, subsequently, the other clients.
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20120206 22:01:35< shadowm> (and wesnothd doesn't have a WML preprocessor; do the maths)
20120206 22:01:50< zookeeper> i can't see it working any other way.
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20120206 22:05:31< anonymissimus> well there is some wml that isn't sent over the network
20120206 22:05:40< anonymissimus> othe toplevel tags
20120206 22:06:03< anonymissimus> but seems there is no problem in this case I mention above, so I commit it
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20120206 22:07:23< anonymissimus> and the remote client does indeed get sent the #ifver result as it was on the host
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20120206 23:12:32< mordante> I'm off night
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20120206 23:17:31< CIA-90> shadowmaster * r52942 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
20120206 23:17:31< CIA-90> Allow WML to disable the credits at the end of a single-player campaign
20120206 23:17:31< CIA-90> This is done by implementing an end_credits attribute for use in
20120206 23:17:31< CIA-90> [endlevel], [scenario] and [campaign]. The (boolean) value is stored in
20120206 23:17:31< CIA-90> saved games and defaults to true.
20120206 23:17:32< CIA-90> Example:
20120206 23:17:32< CIA-90> [endlevel]
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20120206 23:58:44< shadowm> wesbot: seen Elvish_HUnter
20120206 23:58:44< wesbot> shadowm: The person with the nick Elvish_Hunter last spoke 6d 3h ago.  6d 2h ago they left with the message: Quit: Ciao!
20120206 23:58:58< shadowm> Elvish_Hunter: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=CampaignWML&diff=45069&oldid=45023   you could have used the DevFeature1.11 template
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