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20120218 06:49:48-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.10.1 planned for 25.2.; hard stringfreeze on branches/1.10 starting 18.2. at 13:00 UTC+1| 162 bugs, 326 feature requests, 18 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20120218 08:39:04< mordante> servus
20120218 08:40:29< mordante> anonymissimus the mane's not a typo
20120218 08:40:58< mordante> name's*
20120218 08:41:15< mordante> (that with name was ;-) )
20120218 08:44:46< mordante> Ivanovic, ./wesmage -h or just ./wesmage -ooutfile -fscale:400,240 infile
20120218 08:45:05< mordante> it's just a wrapper around the the scale_surface function
20120218 08:45:21< mordante> and can be extended by other functions, which I intend to add later
20120218 08:46:00< mordante> but when describing what a function does I need to learn what it does (so can add doxygen comment as well :-) )
20120218 08:48:10< mordante> gabba we always hope the GSoC student stays around, but we indeed should pitch it a bit more
20120218 08:48:40< mordante> regarding areas, I'd say the area, describe what it does and the files directly involved
20120218 08:54:23< shadowm> whoah wtf I cannot attack anything
20120218 08:57:19< shadowm> and there are no obvious commits to src that could have caused this recently
20120218 08:58:06< shadowm> can anyone confirm?
20120218 08:58:55< shadowm> ah, okay never mind.
20120218 08:59:00< shadowm> stupid advanced preferences
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20120218 09:01:08< mordante> what option can do that?
20120218 09:02:40< shadowm> the Show combat option, which (of course) defaults to enabled
20120218 09:03:27< mordante> hmm a default option that breaks Wesnoth sounds bad
20120218 09:03:37< mordante> what does the option anyway?
20120218 09:05:06< shadowm> when enabled, you get attack animations and damage floating labels. When disabled, well, you get nothing. :p
20120218 09:05:49< mordante> but the attack does work?
20120218 09:06:14< shadowm> Yes, but since I was using weak units to test I hadn't noticed it did.
20120218 09:06:20< mordante> ah ok
20120218 09:07:06< CIA-61> shadowmaster * r53091 /trunk/data/core/images/units/undead/soulless-drake-defend.png: 
20120218 09:07:06< CIA-61> Copy Drake!Soulless baseframe to serve as a stand-in for its defense frame (fixes bug #19351)
20120218 09:07:06< CIA-61> The art for this Soulless variation is obsolete and needs to be redone anyway.
20120218 09:08:53< CIA-61> shadowmaster * r53092 /branches/1.10/data/core/images/units/undead/soulless-drake-defend.png: 
20120218 09:08:53< CIA-61> Copy Drake!Soulless baseframe to serve as a stand-in for its defense frame (fixes bug #19351)
20120218 09:08:53< CIA-61> The art for this Soulless variation is obsolete and needs to be redone anyway.
20120218 09:08:53< CIA-61> (Backported from trunk, r53091.)
20120218 09:15:53< CIA-61> shadowmaster * r53093 /trunk/data/core/images/units/undead/soulless-melee.png: Remove obsolete Soulless animation frame that isn't used in mainline and serves as artistic reference for absolutely nothing
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20120218 10:22:49< Ivanovic> moin
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20120218 10:27:16< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20120218 10:29:37< Ivanovic> mordante: is this tool automatically built and installed?
20120218 10:30:05< Ivanovic> or which param do i have to add to cmake to build it?
20120218 10:30:12< mordante> ENABLE_TOOLS
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20120218 10:35:45< Ivanovic> is someone running "make install" after building wesnoth with default parameters using cmake and can test where the manpages are installed to?
20120218 10:36:01< Ivanovic> the reason is this patch: https://gna.org/patch/?3138
20120218 10:36:43< Ivanovic> since when setting DATAROOTDIR it does also automatically change the place where the manpages are places
20120218 10:36:53< Ivanovic> which means that the manpages should already appear in /usr/share/man
20120218 10:36:59< Ivanovic> (by default that is!)
20120218 10:42:09< mordante> quickly looking at the patch, I think it's wrong
20120218 10:42:40< mordante> I think MANDIR should be ${DATAROOTDIR}/man
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20120218 10:43:26< mordante> Ivanovic, in case you missed it^
20120218 10:44:14< Ivanovic> mordante: i think the way it currently works is that it already is using DATAROOTDIR/man
20120218 10:44:42< Ivanovic> mordante: since it does put the man/ folder into my DATAROOTDIR
20120218 10:45:01< Ivanovic> so basically it is just some "MANDIRNAME" like thingy
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20120218 10:48:49< mordante> I'll test in a chroot
20120218 10:49:18< Ivanovic> okay, i can't test using the gentoo ebuild since that one explicitly sets the path for the mandir
20120218 10:49:51< mordante> will take some time to set up the chroot
20120218 10:50:24< mordante> (or rather I'm to lazy to modify my default script, which builds wesnoth in several configurations first)
20120218 10:50:27< mordante> too*
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20120218 11:01:28< CIA-61> elias * r53094 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/wmlparser2.py: wmlparser2 always passes absolute paths to wesnoth.exe now and fixed a bug in wildcard tag lookup (which had caused weapon specials to be missing on units.wesnoth.org)
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20120218 11:13:01< vultraz> LOL!! 
20120218 11:13:11< vultraz> "motd="Welcome to Wesnoth's LAN server! This server allows *any* wesnoth version so make sure you're playing with clients that have a compatible version!"
20120218 11:13:27< vultraz> if it allows any version....
20120218 11:13:29< vultraz> then...
20120218 11:13:33< vultraz> how can...
20120218 11:13:34< mordante> vultraz, what's your version number?
20120218 11:14:04< vultraz> I'm reading the cfg. Just think it's a bit funny
20120218 11:14:14< vultraz> and slightly confusing
20120218 11:14:47< mordante> well you're version number needs to be *any* :-P
20120218 11:15:00< mordante> just like the famous any-key
20120218 11:15:30< isaac_> only *any* version will work
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20120218 11:15:38< vultraz> lol
20120218 11:16:02< vultraz> but it still might confuse non-english speakers
20120218 11:17:01< mordante> true
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20120218 11:21:14< vultraz> yeah....first they see that any version is ok, then you tell them their version needs to be compatible
20120218 11:21:44< vultraz> it needs to be compatible to play, yes
20120218 11:21:47< isaac> yeah, it just means that there is no version explicitly required
20120218 11:21:56< isaac> but of course there will be old clients which are not supported
20120218 11:22:09< vultraz> like, you can;t join a 1.10 game with a 1.8 client
20120218 11:22:24< vultraz> but the motd doesn't really make that stuff clear
20120218 11:22:37< vultraz> especially for new or non-english players
20120218 11:22:47< vultraz> heck, it even confused me for a bit :P
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20120218 12:14:01< retr0virus> hello - I downloaded wesnoth from trunk, cmaked and maked the sources under the current ubuntu and when I try to start wesnoth it says "there is no soundcard", "error filesystem: Trying to open file with empty name.", "error config: Could not open file" and "could not initialize fonts
20120218 12:14:46< retr0virus> did I forget something before building that was possibly not checked or did I another mistake? - if you need more info, please tell me. ;-)
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20120218 12:16:30< Ivanovic> please paste the complete message
20120218 12:16:35< Ivanovic> including how you try to start it
20120218 12:17:02< Ivanovic> if you try to start it without installing: have you supplied a "." after the binary name call so that it knows about the place of the data dir?
20120218 12:17:07< retr0virus> yes
20120218 12:17:16< Ivanovic> please pastebin the complete output!
20120218 12:17:16< retr0virus> argh...
20120218 12:17:30< retr0virus> ok worked now - the data dir is .. not . :P
20120218 12:19:12< Ivanovic> zookeeper: what is the current rule how gold carryover works?
20120218 12:19:22< Ivanovic> cf http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SpellingMistakes#Manual
20120218 12:31:30< CIA-61> ivanovic * r53095 /trunk/ (59 files in 3 dirs): applied spelling mistake fix from http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SpellingMistakes#Manual
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20120218 12:34:50< CIA-61> ivanovic * r53096 /branches/1.10/ (59 files in 3 dirs): applied spelling mistake fix from http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SpellingMistakes#Manual
20120218 12:37:31< Ivanovic> zookeeper: okay, i fixed the text for gold carryover
20120218 12:38:23< CIA-61> ivanovic * r53097 /trunk/doc/manual/manual.txt: 
20120218 12:38:23< CIA-61> fixed the text for gold carry over to match the current ruleset
20120218 12:38:23< CIA-61> issue pointed out at http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SpellingMistakes#Manual
20120218 12:38:40< CIA-61> ivanovic * r53098 /branches/1.10/doc/manual/manual.txt: 
20120218 12:38:40< CIA-61> fixed the text for gold carry over to match the current ruleset
20120218 12:38:40< CIA-61> issue pointed out at http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SpellingMistakes#Manual
20120218 12:39:04< Ivanovic> zookeeper: it would be great if you could read over my change to determin if this is correctly stating the (common) rules
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20120218 12:49:48-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.10.1 planned for 25.2.; hard stringfreeze on branches/1.10 starting 18.2. at 13:00 UTC+1| 160 bugs, 326 feature requests, 18 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20120218 12:49:54< Ivanovic> a video from german tv abou the pandora and its production: http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/video/1570722/Open-Source-Konsolen#/beitrag/video/1570722/Open-Source-Konsolen
20120218 12:50:07< Ivanovic> yeah, there you can even see wesnoth running on it for 2s
20120218 12:50:09< Ivanovic> ;)
20120218 12:54:02< CIA-61> mordante * r53099 /branches/1.10/ (changelog src/ai/formula/function_table.cpp): 
20120218 12:54:02< CIA-61> A possible NULL-pointer deference.
20120218 12:54:02< CIA-61> The test in get_unit_type_function was reversed.
20120218 12:54:12< CIA-61> mordante * r53100 /trunk/ (changelog src/ai/formula/function_table.cpp): 
20120218 12:54:12< CIA-61> A possible NULL-pointer deference.
20120218 12:54:12< CIA-61> The test in get_unit_type_function was reversed.
20120218 12:57:31< mordante> Ivanovic, default install location "/usr/local/man/man6/wesnoth.6", will try my fix now
20120218 12:57:40< Ivanovic> okay
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20120218 13:01:33< mordante> but first going to watch some German TV
20120218 13:05:17< Ivanovic> those are just 5min
20120218 13:08:30< mordante> yeah, but it was nice to watch
20120218 13:08:45< mordante> especially since it's a free commercial for the pandory
20120218 13:08:48< mordante> pandora*
20120218 13:10:18< Ivanovic> jepp
20120218 13:10:32< CIA-61> loonycyborg * r53101 /branches/1.10/scons/config_check_utils.py: Add /opt and /opt/local to the scons prefixes list
20120218 13:12:46< zookeeper> wesbot, log 53097
20120218 13:12:47< wesbot> ivanovic * r53097 : fixed the text for gold carry over to match the current rulesetissue pointed out at http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SpellingMistakes#Manual
20120218 13:12:50< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=53097
20120218 13:13:42< zookeeper> Ivanovic, yeah, that's correct
20120218 13:13:47< Ivanovic> perfect
20120218 13:13:58< Ivanovic> than i can now declare the stringfreeze on branches/1.10 as active!
20120218 13:14:01< zookeeper> well
20120218 13:14:11< zookeeper> i think there might be an exception or two in LoW and/or DM, not sure
20120218 13:14:31< zookeeper> that is, they might use the old-style carryover somewhere... or maybe they don't, anymore. fendrin would know.
20120218 13:16:55< mordante> Ivanovic, do you also want to change the man-path for 1.10?
20120218 13:19:30< Ivanovic> yes
20120218 13:21:45< mordante> ok I'll commit a fix, shall I mark the patch as won't do?
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20120218 13:44:38< Ivanovic> won't do and comment that you added some "more correct" fix
20120218 14:00:34< CIA-61> mordante * r53103 /trunk/ (CMakeLists.txt RELEASE_NOTES changelog): 
20120218 14:00:34< CIA-61> Changed: Default man installation directory.
20120218 14:00:34< CIA-61> The new directory confirms to FHS (based on patch #3138).
20120218 14:00:35< CIA-61> mordante * r53102 /branches/1.10/ (CMakeLists.txt RELEASE_NOTES changelog): 
20120218 14:00:35< CIA-61> Changed: Default man installation directory.
20120218 14:00:35< CIA-61> The new directory confirms to FHS (based on patch #3138).
20120218 14:02:09< mordante> Ivanovic, committed and updated the patch report
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20120218 14:34:20< Ivanovic> mordante: thanks
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20120218 14:37:16< CIA-61> elias * r53104 /trunk/data/tools/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
20120218 14:37:16< CIA-61> Rewrote wmlunits to parse one addon at a time. Now it takes much longer to
20120218 14:37:16< CIA-61> create units.wesnoth.org as it has to parse the WML about 200 times instead of
20120218 14:37:16< CIA-61> once but it also uses much less memory (and so can run on the server again
20120218 14:37:16< CIA-61> without risk of being aborted).
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20120218 14:40:02< mordante> Ivanovic, np
20120218 14:40:21< CIA-61> mordante * r53105 /branches/1.10/src/gui/dialogs/chat_log.cpp: Initialize all members.
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20120218 14:46:44< CIA-61> mordante * r53107 /branches/1.10/src/whiteboard/manager.cpp: Initialize all members.
20120218 14:47:07< CIA-61> ivanovic * r53106 /branches/1.10/ (566 files in 35 dirs): 
20120218 14:47:07< CIA-61> pot-update (new strings in -manual and the main file)
20120218 14:47:07< CIA-61> regenerated doc files
20120218 14:47:07< CIA-61> fixed an entry in the Vietnamese manpages stopping their creation
20120218 14:47:12< CIA-61> ivanovic * r53108 /trunk/po/wesnoth-manpages/vi.po: fixed an issue in the Vietnamese manpages and make sure that they really are up to date
20120218 14:47:17< mordante> Ivanovic, my queue for 1.10.1 is empty
20120218 14:47:28-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.10.1 planned for 25.2.; hard stringfreeze on branches/1.10 | 160 bugs, 326 feature requests, 18 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20120218 14:47:31< Ivanovic> mordante: great!
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20120218 14:48:25< mordante> to float stuff might be ported to 1.10.x later, but should get a bit more testing (and finished first)
20120218 14:48:51< Ivanovic> mordante: do you want or need me to test anything there?
20120218 14:53:29< mordante> not yet, maybe later
20120218 14:53:39< mordante> first getting a proper tfloat class
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20120218 16:09:37< Oleg> Hi guys
20120218 16:09:54< Oleg> Who is "Mark de Wever"? I have some quick question to him...
20120218 16:11:26< Oleg> mordante: ^
20120218 16:11:29< Oleg> Ivanovic: ^
20120218 16:11:34< Oleg> Perhaps you know?
20120218 16:11:59< mordante> Oleg, I happen to know him, see him most of the days in the mirror
20120218 16:12:58< Oleg> mordante: I have question to him - he run following:
20120218 16:12:58< Oleg> "At the moment I compile test:
20120218 16:12:58< Oleg> - Debian stable
20120218 16:12:58< Oleg>  - gcc 4.3 in C++98 mode
20120218 16:12:58< Oleg>  - gcc 4.4 in C++98 mode
20120218 16:12:59< Oleg> - Debian unstable in a chroot
20120218 16:13:01< Oleg>  - in C++98 mode
20120218 16:13:03< Oleg>    - gcc 4.4
20120218 16:13:05< Oleg>    - gcc 4.5
20120218 16:13:08< Oleg>    - gcc 4.6
20120218 16:13:10< Oleg>    - gcc 4.7 (from experimental)
20120218 16:13:12< Oleg>    - gcc snapshot
20120218 16:13:14< Oleg>    - clang 3.0
20120218 16:13:16< Oleg>  - in C++11 mode
20120218 16:13:19< Oleg>    - gcc 4.5
20120218 16:13:21< Oleg>    - gcc 4.6
20120218 16:13:23< Oleg>    - gcc 4.7 (from experimental)
20120218 16:13:25< Oleg>    - gcc snapshot
20120218 16:13:27< Oleg>    - clang 3.0
20120218 16:13:30< Oleg> "
20120218 16:13:30< mordante> Oleg, yeah I know what I run ;-)
20120218 16:13:32< Oleg> I want know how better run it...
20120218 16:13:34< Oleg> I want intergate this to http://build.wesnoth.in/
20120218 16:13:43< Oleg> This is you?!
20120218 16:14:06< mordante> yup, most people see themselves in the mirror
20120218 16:14:10< Oleg> Can you short explain how better setup this compiler Side-X-Side on single platform?
20120218 16:14:36< mordante> I use a pbuilder chroot and a script
20120218 16:14:50< mordante> I run Debian stable and the unstable in the chroot
20120218 16:15:03< mordante> (btw for long posts best use a paste-bin)
20120218 16:15:25< mordante> I'll post the script in a sec
20120218 16:15:43< Oleg> Can you give me links to manual?
20120218 16:15:52< Oleg> Aha, scripts is good..
20120218 16:16:00< Oleg> But link to documentation is good too
20120218 16:24:38< mordante> regarding documentation I learned most from http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/pbuilder-doc/pbuilder-doc.html
20120218 16:25:06< Oleg> mordante: can you please put all this to https://github.com/battle-for-wesnoth/svn/issues ?
20120218 16:25:18< Oleg> mordante: I just want collect all wants and requirements in single place
20120218 16:25:36< Oleg> mordante: It wil perfect if you open some number of tasks on github
20120218 16:25:54< Oleg> better split to separated, self-contained tasks
20120218 16:26:18< Oleg> "support gcc X, Y, Z"
20120218 16:26:19< Oleg> in description - link to documentation and intrustruction how to do it
20120218 16:26:28< Oleg> I am going to publish all scripts from server
20120218 16:26:32< mordante> yeah but I can't remember all documentation
20120218 16:26:41< Oleg> Just a quick description
20120218 16:26:44< Oleg> Which you remember
20120218 16:26:54< Oleg> On https://github.com/battle-for-wesnoth/svn/issues I will not lost it...
20120218 16:27:10< mordante> there was an issue with ccache, and I found it
20120218 16:27:14< mordante> somewhere
20120218 16:27:37< Oleg> Will you fill https://github.com/battle-for-wesnoth/svn/issues ok?
20120218 16:27:46< Oleg> So, please send me your github account name
20120218 16:28:04< Oleg> I will add you to group, and after that you can run "param" build for separate branch
20120218 16:28:07< mordante> cool google to the rescue `isaac ccache' gives the link http://isaac.warp.es/index.php/ccache-pbuilder-33
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20120218 16:28:31< Oleg> and also add branches to https://github.com/battle-for-wesnoth/svn
20120218 16:28:50< mordante> Oleg, here's the link http://paste.debian.net/156745/
20120218 16:28:54< Oleg> mordante: Oh, guy, please push all this to issue tracker.
20120218 16:29:01< Oleg> mordante: I afraid I will lost all this...
20120218 16:29:10< mordante> I'm about to leave so best remind me again tomorrow
20120218 16:29:25< Oleg> Ok :)
20120218 16:29:26< Oleg> thanks
20120218 16:29:41< mordante> that's why I wanted to post it here and now ;-)
20120218 16:30:35< shadowm> vultraz: what's the problem with the lan_server.cfg motd?
20120218 16:32:14< shadowm> that is, the server itself is compatible with any wesnoth version that speaks the correct protocol, and any incompatibilities nowadays (at least since 1.9.13) are purely client-side (e.g. different unit stats)
20120218 16:33:58< shadowm> (unless someone changes the protocol again)
20120218 16:34:18< vultraz> shadowm: just that the motd might be confusing to non-english speakers or newbs 
20120218 16:34:35< shadowm> do you have a better wording in mind?
20120218 16:35:16< vultraz> hummm
20120218 16:35:23< vultraz> gimme a sec
20120218 16:35:35< shadowm> mordante: deference and dereference are different things :p
20120218 16:35:46< mordante> I'm off bye
20120218 16:35:48< mordante> shadowm, trye
20120218 16:35:50< mordante> true
20120218 16:36:00< shadowm> NULL pointers should be treated with deference, though :p
20120218 16:36:26< mordante> :-)
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20120218 16:41:16< timotei> Oleg: hey there :)
20120218 16:41:17< timotei> Around?
20120218 16:41:24< Oleg> timotei: yes :) hi
20120218 16:41:59< timotei> Oleg: regarding Windows, I have license for every single Windows Version. So if you need I can provide a key :)
20120218 16:42:04< timotei> for free of course
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20120218 16:42:32< shadowm> timotei: are you legally allowed to do that?
20120218 16:42:39< Oleg> timotei: I appreciate the gesture. Unfortunatelly, Microsoft has limitation to run windows under virtualized enviroemtn
20120218 16:42:54< Oleg> timotei: shadowm: I will contact to my friends to Micsrofto and Apple
20120218 16:43:00< timotei> shadowm: Umm... if I install it myself - doesn't matter where... it won't matter :P
20120218 16:43:05< Oleg> I think, perhpars companies will provide licenses for free
20120218 16:43:10< timotei> Oleg: limitation?
20120218 16:43:14< Oleg> timotei: Yes
20120218 16:43:20< Oleg> timotei: Microsoft restrict it
20120218 16:43:27< Oleg> timotei: You need special license for this
20120218 16:43:28< timotei> I don't know of any restrictions.
20120218 16:43:33< timotei> As long as you own a license
20120218 16:43:38< timotei> For the Virtualized OS :P
20120218 16:43:39< Oleg> timotei: One minute, I will found the license 
20120218 16:43:43< timotei> OK.
20120218 16:43:50< vultraz> shadowm: maybe something like: http://pastebin.com/y3F9f6yf it's only a little different, but seems clearer
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20120218 16:43:58< vultraz> hey Alarantalara 
20120218 16:44:10< Alarantalara> hello
20120218 16:45:37< shadowm> vultraz: this is why I like _diffs_
20120218 16:45:54< shadowm> so I don't have to open a text editor separately
20120218 16:46:11< Oleg> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx
20120218 16:46:13< Oleg> timotei: ^
20120218 16:47:03< Oleg> timotei: at least I see separated licenses to virtualized enviroemnt
20120218 16:47:16< Oleg> timotei: I better ask my friends from Microsoft, how better handle this...
20120218 16:47:24< timotei> Well, I see that as ... how the vendors license
20120218 16:47:31< timotei> their windowses :P
20120218 16:47:32< shadowm> vultraz: I'll commit it solely because of the new comma
20120218 16:47:37< timotei> The ones who provide VMs
20120218 16:48:20< timotei> That is, how many instances can run at a time, under a single license
20120218 16:48:35< shadowm> the windowses. they want the precioussss!!
20120218 16:48:37< CIA-61> shadowmaster * r53109 /trunk/data/lan_server.cfg: Marginally improved Host Network Game wesnothd MoTD by vultraz
20120218 16:48:49< timotei> So if you run it just one instance at a time. It's fine
20120218 16:49:04< timotei> Windows Sserver 2008 R2 allows 2 instances.
20120218 16:49:09< timotei> But yeah, you could ask :P
20120218 16:49:19< timotei> Nice to see CI. I just wanted to start doing that myself...
20120218 16:49:33< timotei> But I wasn't sure how good it will run on an 3-4 years old server
20120218 16:53:04< shadowm> interesting bit about C strings: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2361
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20120218 17:17:11< timotei> shadowm: well, IDK why people keep liking to declare *everything* as pointers...
20120218 17:17:29< timotei> Ok, some people
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20120218 17:22:00< Alarantalara> shadowm: I'd always assumed that pointers and arrays were effectively the same thing, especially since you can dereference the array as though it were a pointer
20120218 17:23:38< timotei> Alarantalara: IIRC they are not almost the same thing.
20120218 17:24:01< timotei> I mean, the array declared as [] are cleared automatically when going out of scope. pointers not.
20120218 17:24:06< shadowm> well, arrays are a much higher-level concept. In contrast, you can take pointers and dereference pretty much anything that isn't a register
20120218 17:24:32< timotei> Alarantalara: btw, are you using Lion? Or still Snow leo
20120218 17:24:33< timotei> ?
20120218 17:24:42< timotei> And... mountain lion is coming! :D
20120218 17:24:51< Alarantalara> still snow leopard
20120218 17:24:56< shadowm> (i.e. pointers to executable code (functions), pointers to read-only memory (constants), pointers to read-write memory (variables))
20120218 17:25:10< Alarantalara> I have no incentive to upgrade. I skipped Leopard too
20120218 17:25:15< timotei> Yeah
20120218 17:25:59< timotei> Btw: http://www.humblebundle.com/
20120218 17:26:00< timotei> xD
20120218 17:26:02< shadowm> and yes, I imagine non-static arrays local to a function are stored in stack memory
20120218 17:26:30< loonycyborg> shadowm: Actually I don't see why wouldn't you just use the string directly instead of creating a variable..
20120218 17:27:27< shadowm> loonycyborg: people prefer to modify only one line of code instead of doing search & replace/sed on an entire file
20120218 17:28:47< loonycyborg> If you need to repeat it then I guess const char* const is a good solution.
20120218 17:28:56< shadowm> so, if I refer to a path prefix (or whole path) multiple times in the same file I may want to declare it as a constant somewhere instead of using inline string literals with the same content every time, especially if I could need to change the contents in the future
20120218 17:29:19< loonycyborg> Though I thought that compiler will optimize even plain const char*.
20120218 17:29:37< shadowm> of course then there's the C vs. preprocessor issue; some people would use preprocessor defines for that end instead
20120218 17:29:38< loonycyborg> Now I know :P
20120218 17:30:00< shadowm> but I personally dislike   FOO "bar" (or more generally, "foo "bar")
20120218 17:30:07< shadowm> er, "foo" "bar"
20120218 17:30:21< timotei> loonycyborg: why not declare is static const char[] whatever="" ?:P
20120218 17:30:34< CIA-61> caslav_ilic * r53110 /branches/1.10/ (22 files in 6 dirs): Updated translations for Serbian (intentionally not merging to trunk).
20120218 17:30:53< shadowm> of course, this is all a bit pedantic and I'm sure in C++ STL strings have inefficiencies of their own :\/
20120218 17:31:14< shadowm> (e.g. a lot of template class instance constructor calls at the start of the program
20120218 17:31:36< loonycyborg> timotei: For histerical reasons. Pretty much all libs seem to use const char* when they want a string literal :P
20120218 17:32:08< timotei> A:P
20120218 17:36:13< Alarantalara> Some silliness: http://imagebin.org/199551 It appears only for unowned villages.
20120218 17:37:29< shadowm> Alarantalara: I thought that feature wasn't implemented yet?
20120218 17:37:44< shadowm> ah, you're working on it I guess
20120218 17:37:49< Alarantalara> It took about 5 minutes
20120218 17:38:47< Alarantalara> I think the original intention was for enemy units rather than villages, though
20120218 17:39:56< isaac> Oleg: if you checked my blog post, make sure you do it as it's explained in the comments, cleaner than my actual blog post says :)
20120218 17:40:13< Oleg> Which blog do you mean?
20120218 17:41:12< Ivanovic> the isaac.warp.es entry mordante pointed out
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20120218 17:48:52< Oleg> Ivanovic: isaac which the post? where pointed?
20120218 17:49:06< Ivanovic> [16:28:07] <mordante> cool google to the rescue `isaac ccache' gives the link http://isaac.warp.es/index.php/ccache-pbuilder-33
20120218 17:49:24< Oleg> Oh, ok....
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20120218 17:49:46< Oleg> Ivanovic: I will complete little changes with wesnoth.in, and going to fill issues related to Jenkins/etc
20120218 17:54:09< timotei> http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/16/2802281/apple-officially-renames-mac-os-x-to-os-x-drops-the-mac
20120218 17:54:15< timotei> Ok, so we're just OS X now...
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20120218 18:02:39< fendrin> Ivanovic: gold carryover
20120218 18:03:07< fendrin> Ivanovic: The new system is not suitable for LoW.
20120218 18:17:14< vultraz> aww crap...
20120218 18:17:36< vultraz> my builds still crash...
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20120218 18:57:32< CIA-61> boucman * r53111 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): save_index refactoring patch #3125 by Oleg Tsarev
20120218 18:57:50< Oleg> boucman: Thank you very much! :)
20120218 18:57:53< boucman> np
20120218 18:58:05< Oleg> boucman: shadowm: Ivanovic: So, looks like now I can receive access to repostiory :)
20120218 18:58:11< Oleg> I proposed three patches
20120218 18:58:13< Oleg> Two small
20120218 18:58:14< Oleg> And big on
20120218 18:58:24< Oleg> And these patches was approved & merged to respotiory :)
20120218 18:58:33< boucman> yup, Ivanovic seems to be away, but i'll ping him when he gets back
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20120218 18:58:47< Oleg> boucman: Cool! Thank you!
20120218 18:58:53< Oleg> Guys, I love team and game :)
20120218 18:59:10< Oleg> I would help to make game better :)
20120218 18:59:13< boucman> :)
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20120218 19:17:44< retr0virus> hello, I have the bug that - when pressing F1 in the main menu there is no list or entry under "Units" - so I see only an empty page. The error only occurs on my laptop - not on my desktop pc. I use the current svn version.
20120218 19:18:19< boucman> retr0virus: did you actually play on your laptop or not yet ?
20120218 19:18:39< retr0virus> No, I only started the game
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20120218 19:22:02< retr0virus> The title "Units" is displayed - but not the unit-list (Elves, Humans, Orcs, Wolves)
20120218 19:22:16< zookeeper> only the units which you've seen in-game are shown in the unit help
20120218 19:22:21< retr0virus> ah ^^
20120218 19:22:32< zookeeper> there's a debug command to reveal the whole list if needed
20120218 19:22:50< retr0virus> so no bug but a feature :-)
20120218 19:22:55< zookeeper> yep
20120218 19:23:28< zookeeper> arguably it'd be good to display an explanation somewhere in there
20120218 19:28:37< boucman> indeed
20120218 19:31:02< Crendgrim> zookeeper: isn't there even a GUI button somewhere to reveal all units since 1.9?
20120218 19:31:16< zookeeper> Crendgrim, neverheard
20120218 19:32:03< Crendgrim> zookeeper: Preferences -> Advanced -> Show all units in help
20120218 19:32:08< shadowm> yes
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20120218 19:32:39< zookeeper> uh, right. not very discoverable, i'm afraid.
20120218 19:32:44< zookeeper> still, nice to have it
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20120218 19:55:52< Ivanovic> Oleg: just ask for projectmembership now and i'll add you
20120218 19:56:14< Ivanovic> Oleg: if you got a forum account, talk to shadowm about having you added to the "Developers" forum group
20120218 19:56:16< Oleg> Ivanovic: Do you want ask me? 
20120218 19:56:27< Oleg> Ivanovic: mmmm
20120218 19:56:31< Ivanovic> Oleg: via the web interface you submit a request for adding
20120218 19:56:33< Oleg> Ivanovic: Yes, I have
20120218 19:56:40< Ivanovic> with this i directly have your credentials for adding
20120218 19:56:48< Oleg> Ivanovic: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=36034&p=519981
20120218 19:56:58< Ivanovic> Oleg: at gna.org
20120218 19:57:06< Oleg> Ivanovic: I also have account at gna.org...
20120218 19:57:14< CIA-61> elias * r53112 /trunk/data/tools/ (unit_tree/helpers.py unit_tree/html_output.py wmlunits): [wmlunits] Reenable recoloring. Always sort units overview into first place. Properly translate "Units" heading.
20120218 19:57:15< Ivanovic> Oleg: there go onto your "own" starting page and there should be some box to ask for project membership
20120218 19:57:20< Ivanovic> in this box enter the term wesnoth
20120218 19:57:31< Ivanovic> submit the request, i get a notification and can add you
20120218 19:57:50< Oleg> Ivanovic: At gna.org, yes?
20120218 19:57:54< Ivanovic> yes
20120218 19:58:13< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/my/groups.php
20120218 19:58:16< Ivanovic> on this page
20120218 19:58:31< Oleg> Ivanovic: 
20120218 19:58:31< Oleg> Request for Inclusion Waiting For Approval
20120218 19:58:31< Oleg>     Discard this request?Battle for Wesnoth
20120218 19:58:31< Oleg>      
20120218 19:58:31< Oleg>     Discard this request?Battle for Wesnoth Experimental
20120218 19:58:33< Oleg>      
20120218 19:58:54< Oleg> Ivanovic: I added my patches from this account....
20120218 19:59:06< Oleg> Ivanovic: Example: https://gna.org/patch/index.php?3113
20120218 19:59:18< Ivanovic> Oleg: yeah, that is fine and you are in now
20120218 19:59:19< Oleg> Ivanovic: Another example: https://gna.org/patch/index.php?3125
20120218 19:59:25< Oleg> Ivanovic: Cool! Thank you! :)
20120218 19:59:29< shadowm> Oleg: do you want your forum account added to the Developers group too?
20120218 19:59:30< Ivanovic> i just had no message about your account so far
20120218 19:59:41< Oleg> Ivanovic: yes, if this possible :)
20120218 19:59:58< Oleg> http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=129517
20120218 20:00:00< Oleg> Ivanovic: ^
20120218 20:00:05< shadowm> that's for me to handle
20120218 20:00:07< Oleg> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=36034
20120218 20:00:08< Ivanovic> Oleg: that is for shadowm
20120218 20:00:12< Oleg> Aha, ok :)
20120218 20:00:14< Oleg> Thank you!
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20120218 20:00:16< Oleg> shadowm: ^
20120218 20:00:30< Oleg> shadowm: Can you please my profile on forum to "developers" group?
20120218 20:00:45< Ivanovic> Oleg: i think he read the other stuff, not directed to him, too
20120218 20:00:46< Oleg> shadowm: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=36034 topic with my account
20120218 20:01:10< Oleg> Ivanovic: Which stuff do you mean?
20120218 20:01:14< shadowm> I only really needed the username :p but done
20120218 20:01:17< Ivanovic> *everything* written in here
20120218 20:01:24< Oleg> Oh 
20120218 20:01:26< Oleg> :)
20120218 20:01:46< shadowm> and now you have access to a lot of wonderful toys- I mean functions, which are definitely not toys
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20120218 20:02:20< shadowm> be especially careful about how you use them and ask if in doubt about anything :)
20120218 20:02:26< Ivanovic> Oleg: from now on be careful when replying!
20120218 20:02:37< Oleg> shadowm: thanks!
20120218 20:02:40< Ivanovic> make sure to click "quote", not "edit" (yeah, happens often enough!)
20120218 20:02:43< Oleg> Ivanovic: mmm.... why?
20120218 20:02:50< Oleg> Ivanovic: Aaaa, ok :)
20120218 20:02:52< shadowm> Yeah, I had Torangan edit one of my posts instead of quoting it once.
20120218 20:02:54< Ivanovic> because otherwise you edit posts
20120218 20:04:35< shadowm> also, congratulations! welcome to the Battle for Wesnoth Project!
20120218 20:05:04< Oleg> shadowm: Ivanovic: Thank you guys! I appreciate this! :)
20120218 20:05:10< Oleg> yeaaaaaaho
20120218 20:05:30< Oleg> So, first I want improve continuous integration - add warnings analyze/reports
20120218 20:05:36< Ivanovic> now make sure that you got your ssh key at gna and, once you are sure that is the case, switch your checkout to svn+ssh
20120218 20:06:01< Oleg> Ivanovic: I used git-svn... but yeah, I should change URL
20120218 20:06:10< Ivanovic> (if your key is not yet submitted at gna.org it might take several hours until it is atually usable!)
20120218 20:06:19< Oleg> Ivanovic: Thank you for a note
20120218 20:06:26< Oleg> Ivanovic: Next week/two I think I will not commit.. . CI
20120218 20:06:42< Oleg> Ivanovic: So, I am changin my job... Perhaps I will work to Nokia - Qt
20120218 20:07:05< Oleg> I passed first interview yesterday. Nearest time will be second, than turn to the Norway
20120218 20:07:21< Oleg> So, I will little busy :(
20120218 20:07:58< Ivanovic> nice
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20120218 20:10:03< Oleg> Ivanovic: I hope to this... but I will overloaded :/
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20120218 20:46:26< boucman> hey the_new_lipk
20120218 20:46:34< the_new_lipk> hi boucman
20120218 20:46:55< the_new_lipk> I read your comment on the patch
20120218 20:47:00< boucman> ok, good
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20120218 20:48:25< the_new_lipk> I'm going on a holiday for the next week, I'll get on it afterwards
20120218 20:50:08< boucman> ok
20120218 20:52:31< Ivanovic> the_new_lipk: sorry that it took me this long to comment!
20120218 20:52:59< Ivanovic> seems as if i am becoming lazy lately (more so than before!) and start to grow old and slow...
20120218 20:53:01< Ivanovic> ;)
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20120218 20:56:59< boucman> hey anonymissimus
20120218 20:57:54< the_new_lipk> Ivanovic: I deliberately haven't responded for five whole minutes!!! :D np, by the way
20120218 20:58:45< Ivanovic> shame on you, the_new_lipk!
20120218 20:58:46< Ivanovic> ;)
20120218 20:58:59< anonymissimus> ummm...I don't want to say anything against Oleg in particular or so; but this just proves my opinion about that there is a bit of discrimination going on
20120218 20:59:25< shadowm> ?
20120218 20:59:37< boucman> ?
20120218 20:59:40< Oleg> anonymissimus: what the discrimination?
20120218 20:59:48< anonymissimus> that is, GSoC people get write access quicker and easier than wml authors who have more patches in I feel
20120218 21:00:29< shadowm> what WML authors and what patches? and Oleg isn't a GSoC student. GSoC hasn't even begun, nor has Wesnoth applied for becoming a mentoring organization again yet.
20120218 21:00:31< boucman> anonymissimus: well, i'm perfectly fine with having more WML patchers in, but since I don't commit their patches myself, I don't see them as much
20120218 21:00:36< Oleg> anonymissimus: Sorry, but I do now GSoC people... and not a wml author
20120218 21:00:54< Oleg> *do not GSoC guy
20120218 21:01:03< boucman> anonymissimus: if you feel someone deservess commit for WML, you just need to tell Ivanovic about it...
20120218 21:01:17< Ivanovic> exactly
20120218 21:01:44< Ivanovic> if you say "c++ coders get access more easily than wml creators": sure
20120218 21:02:02< Ivanovic> the main reason for this is that most WML creators don't have their stuff added in mainline
20120218 21:02:16< Ivanovic> because of this they don't send things in as patches
20120218 21:02:20< anonymissimus> ...
20120218 21:03:58< Ivanovic> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=36173
20120218 21:04:10< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: since you know some lua stuff, can you look at this one?
20120218 21:04:13< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: ok well, I already named Exasperation several times, his fourth patch is waiting in the queue
20120218 21:04:37< shadowm> I think boucman or someone else already told Exasperation to apply
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20120218 21:04:39< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: i never saw a highlight for me with his data
20120218 21:04:55< Ivanovic> has someone asked him if he wants access?
20120218 21:05:33< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: ah that bug yes; it doesn't have to do with lua in particular probably
20120218 21:05:41< shadowm> https://gna.org/bugs/?19177
20120218 21:06:03< anonymissimus> yes, there are two reports
20120218 21:06:08< shadowm> wesbot: seen Exasperation
20120218 21:06:08< wesbot> shadowm: The person with the nick Exasperation last spoke 25d 16h ago.  24d 20h ago they were seen quitting on the channel #wesnoth with the message: Client Quit
20120218 21:09:06< anonymissimus> ok I ask exasperation next time I have a chance; yes maybe he doesn't want I dunno I thought he wants
20120218 21:15:04< boucman> anonymissimus: can I assign https://gna.org/patch/?3133 to you ?
20120218 21:19:08< anonymissimus> please don't :|
20120218 21:22:13< boucman> ok, why not ?
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20120218 21:49:21< anonymissimus> boucman: ok well at least I understand his description of the problem he wants to fix; and the patch submitter posts in the forum and is coding wml as well (yes, that's 2 big pluses in my subjective opinion)
20120218 21:49:41< boucman> ok
20120218 21:50:12< anonymissimus> it might have connections to Crab's plans around the sighted event
20120218 21:50:57< anonymissimus> and isn't this planning he mentions there somewhat redundant to the whiteboard; perhaps gabba will remove it ? :P
20120218 21:51:54< anonymissimus> patch is large so I can't actually recognize something without taking an in depth look
20120218 21:56:16< boucman> ok, i'll handle it, then
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20120218 22:04:07< anonymissimus> MSVC throws a compiler error...
20120218 22:04:46< boucman> on his patch ?
20120218 22:05:29< anonymissimus> yes
20120218 22:05:39< anonymissimus> this needs to be fixed previously at least
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20120218 22:08:40< boucman> ok, can you add a comment to the patch so it gets fixed ? thx
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20120218 22:10:53< anonymissimus> will do
20120218 22:11:32< anonymissimus> (although it is hard to require it; not sure whether I could do it without such a compiler, probably not)
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20120218 22:43:08< anonymissimus> boucman: I think Crab should have a look; I think the guy knows what he's doing though
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20120218 22:43:38< anonymissimus> left a comment about the compiler error
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20120218 22:54:50< boucman> thx
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