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20120221 06:06:45< ancestral> I have a couple of questions
20120221 06:08:05< ancestral> If I change any terrain.cfg or terrain-graphics.cfg files will that cause OOS? 
20120221 06:09:41< shadowm> only if you change [terrain_type] attributes that affect gameplay, such as whether a terrain heals units on it or not, or terrain aliasing (which impacts gameplay through defense values and movement costs)
20120221 06:10:42< shadowm> the rest is entirely irrelevant to game actions or network synchronization
20120221 06:13:33< shadowm> also light levels
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20120221 06:14:48< ancestral> So /data/core/terrain.cfg important, changing it could result in OOS, but /data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg and /data/core/terrain-graphics/ are purely visual editing code files?
20120221 06:15:49< shadowm> the file and the dir only contain macro definitions and substitutions involving [terrain_graphics], yes
20120221 06:31:23< ancestral> Well that's interesting
20120221 06:32:28< ancestral> Wesnoth is freaking out visually when I comment out the loading of {core/terrain-graphics/} and {core/terrain-graphics/terrain.cfg}… probably I need the latter…
20120221 06:34:16< shadowm> there's no such core/terrain-graphics/terrain.cfg
20120221 06:35:29< ancestral> Sorry, I meant core/terrain-graphics.cfg
20120221 06:35:59< shadowm> why would you not load core/terrain-graphics/ ?
20120221 06:36:30< shadowm> unless you have the exact same macros with the exact same definitions somewhere, all you'll manage is break UMC
20120221 06:37:16< shadowm> s/definitions/number and position of arguments/
20120221 06:37:48< ancestral> I'm looking for a way for Wesnoth not to create transitions, random tile variations and larger image substitutions
20120221 06:38:02< shadowm> and the breakage in question won't be visual, in fact, it'll be the preprocessor bailing out when loading UMC
20120221 06:40:03< shadowm> for the first two points (no idea what the latter is supposed to mean) it'd be more elegant to adapt the terrain builder to discard transition resolution and go with the original base for every layout
20120221 06:40:12< shadowm> that is, in C++
20120221 06:40:40< ancestral> (The latter meaning large mountains, etc.)
20120221 06:42:10< shadowm> in fact, there must be some limited capability for this already (although most likely not in the builder but in the display classes) implementing the editor's three transition refresh choices
20120221 06:43:04< ancestral> Aside from building a new executable with altered code, the only other options then would be to overwrite the macros, or use tons of transparent pngs in place of the various files?
20120221 06:43:36< shadowm> you can overwrite the macros if you don't want UMC to interfer with your plans
20120221 06:44:06< shadowm> otherwise you may as well keep them around and use a simpler set of macros for mainline implementing the simple layout rules
20120221 06:47:39< ancestral> Can I have an add-on that would load the map after I've re-defined some existing macros?
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20120221 10:14:18< Ivanovic> moin
20120221 10:23:21< vultraz> hey
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20120221 12:49:48-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.10.1 planned for 25.2.; hard stringfreeze on branches/1.10 | 163 bugs, 327 feature requests, 16 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20120221 12:54:11< CIA-61> ai0867 * r53146 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/libgithub.py: Use ssh urls rather than git urls for wescamp checkouts
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20120221 15:06:06< zookeeper> esr, maybe you'd like to give your opinion on this stuff: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=36050
20120221 15:08:54< zookeeper> i feel like he's going to need quite a bit more direction, but... i don't know.
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20120221 15:21:48< Alarantalara> ancestral: almost all transitions will be disabled if you include the line {DISABLE_BASE_TRANSITIONS *} in any add-on
20120221 15:22:22< zookeeper> Alarantalara, you've tried?
20120221 15:22:55< Alarantalara> not recently
20120221 15:23:12< zookeeper> assuming add-ons are parsed after core (and i can't see how they could not be), including that line should have no effect on core terrain rules
20120221 15:23:31< Alarantalara> The core terrains are forced after all add-ons by the engine
20120221 15:23:55< Alarantalara> it loads them and deliberately delays parsing
20120221 15:24:03< zookeeper> hmh, okay
20120221 15:24:13< Alarantalara> so the order is: mainline campaigns, add-ons, core
20120221 15:24:43< zookeeper> well, that's certainly quite obscure. but if it works, great :P
20120221 15:25:06< Alarantalara> there are a few not covered by that rule, unfortunately, but it gets most of them
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20120221 15:28:02< Alarantalara> DISABLE_BASE_TRANSITIONS_F with a few other flags should get all the rest except castles and walls
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20120221 15:43:18< Alarantalara> zookeeper: see line 1136 of game_controller if you're interested
20120221 15:44:03< zookeeper> i see
20120221 15:44:31< zookeeper> well, nice to have
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20120221 16:20:44< fendrin_> wesbot: seen alarantalara?
20120221 16:20:44< wesbot> fendrin_: The person with the nick Alarantalara last spoke 37m 26s ago.  18m 33s ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
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20120221 16:25:27< fendrin_> Alarantalara: The underground water terrain from "Roar of the Woses", can it be made a mainline terrain?
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20120221 18:44:28< CIA-61> zookeeper * r53147 /trunk/data/core/macros/side-utils.cfg: Fixed LIMIT_CONTEMPORANEOUS_RECRUITS not handling side numbers >9 correctly.
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20120221 18:46:36< zookeeper> wesbot, log 53147
20120221 18:46:37< wesbot> zookeeper * r53147 : Fixed LIMIT_CONTEMPORANEOUS_RECRUITS not handling side numbers &gt;9 correctly.
20120221 18:46:40< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=53147
20120221 18:51:17< CIA-61> ai0867 * r53148 /trunk/utils/wmlxgettext: Make wmltrans inclusion from wmlxgettext work a little better
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20120221 21:36:41< mordante> servus
20120221 21:37:12< loonycyborg> Non serviam!
20120221 21:38:10< mordante> hi loonycyborg, well working on open source serves the greater good, doesn't it?
20120221 21:39:17< loonycyborg> Huh? I thought that it's just a proper answer to 'servus' :P
20120221 21:41:03< mordante> my Latin isn't that good
20120221 21:41:15< loonycyborg> j/k
20120221 21:41:22< mordante> ?
20120221 21:41:29< loonycyborg> Just kidding
20120221 21:41:34< mordante> ah ok
20120221 21:42:06< loonycyborg> It could be treated kinda like "hello" -> "how do you do"
20120221 21:45:13 * mordante nods
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20120221 21:55:39< Espreon> Ha ha!
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20120221 22:10:14< CIA-61> mordante * r53149 /trunk/src/floating_point_emulation.hpp: 
20120221 22:10:14< CIA-61> Allow to select the floating point emulation type.
20120221 22:10:14< CIA-61> Adds several helper macros and documentation.
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20120221 22:19:12< teugon> are graphic artist supposed to draw images themselves and digitalize them, or is there someone who draw paper drafts and another one digitalize it ?
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20120221 22:20:35< zookeeper> teugon, all our artists draw their stuff directly in photoshop or whatever app they're using
20120221 22:21:59< teugon> ok, thank you
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20120221 22:43:08< mordante> I'm off bye
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20120221 23:14:49< AI0867> there is no i18n channel?
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