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20120225 01:06:11< Alarantalara> fendrin: while you're redoing the editor, can you please test it with an assortment of add-ons that include terrain?
20120225 01:06:23< Alarantalara> doofus's Archaic era is visible in this image: http://imagebin.org/200663
20120225 01:09:01< Alarantalara> Also, you'll need to find a new home for the impassable overlay, fog, and shroud, since they're only in the special group you removed
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20120225 01:15:22< Gambit> anonymissimus: "too little"
20120225 01:15:34< Gambit> And yeah it probably does.
20120225 01:15:42< Gambit> But adding more would make the games take longer I'd imagine.
20120225 01:16:00< Gambit> Turn based micromanagement.
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20120225 01:37:02< shadowm> loonycyborg: okay, I guess there's no optimization then. I'll remove that TODO.
20120225 01:38:02< loonycyborg> shadowm: It'll still work for non-canceled downloads.
20120225 01:44:39< shadowm> fendrin: I'd really like to know what problem you are trying to solve here. I had proposed a much better solution for category spam in 1.12, but I came up with the idea during the feature freeze.
20120225 01:44:59< shadowm> That is, a single combobox instead of separate buttons for each category.
20120225 01:45:25< shadowm> Getting rid of categories is not what I consider a solution.
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20120225 01:53:40< fendrin> shadowm: hi
20120225 01:59:06< shadowm> sigh, hello there
20120225 01:59:39< fendrin> shadowm: First, I hate the terrain scrolling palette. The scrolling annoys me, now that the whole terrain group is visible map making works more nicely for me. The second issue was that I need more room to display a broader set of tools.
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20120225 02:00:03< shadowm> it annoys you, but you aren't our entire userbase
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20120225 02:00:17< shadowm> and the editor was never intended to solve the problems of a single person
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20120225 02:00:41< fendrin> Thirdly, the editor was broken at low resolutions.
20120225 02:01:21< shadowm> no, it wasn't, save for the cateogry spam issue on 800x480, with a solution I already proposed
20120225 02:03:46< shadowm> now, having all items of an arbitrarily-sized category visible at all times is unfeasible UI design
20120225 02:04:35< shadowm> the key words here are "all" and "arbitrarily-sized"
20120225 02:06:33< fendrin> Well, feel free to implement an alternative solution.
20120225 02:07:18< shadowm> my plate is already full with add-on management tasks
20120225 02:10:13< fendrin> If you dislike the different sizes depending on the size of the group, it's easy for me to go for the size that allows all groups to be displayed.  
20120225 02:10:53< shadowm> that's not what I said at all
20120225 02:11:51< Alarantalara> another way to look at it is this: why did you remove the all button?
20120225 02:11:53< shadowm> what I said is that you cannot realistically display entire categories on a finite display surface when categories could have a near-infinite ((size_t)-1, okay) amount of items
20120225 02:12:38< shadowm> you *will* need scrolling sooner or later, *especially* if you want to address the aforementioned problem on low resolution displays
20120225 02:13:09< fendrin> Alarantalara: The all button was more or less useless for me. Even on my relatively huge resolution (1680x1050) I could only see a small subset of all terrains there. Thus I ended up never using the "all" category.
20120225 02:14:22< shadowm> also, I am not bothered by scrolling at all since terrain icons are usually recognizable enough and I haven't seen mouses without scroll wheels or touchpads without scroll edges in *ages*
20120225 02:14:29< shadowm> er, mice
20120225 02:17:03< fendrin> Yeah, the mouse wheel scrolling is working fine here. It's not the scrolling itself, it is the fact that I want to see the whole category at once.
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20120225 02:17:27< Alarantalara> what happens when I add another 9 items to the cave category in a few weeks?
20120225 02:18:09< shadowm> as a very heavy user of the map editor myself, I prefer to see as much of the gamemap as possible at once rather than be permanently obstructed by a terrain palette when my workflow usually only requires access to two terrains (primary and secondary click) at a given moment
20120225 02:18:45< shadowm> I'd even welcome the ability to shrink the sidebar to a thin vertical line
20120225 02:19:08< shadowm> without having to hack the theme WML and restart the editor, that is
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20120225 02:20:47< fendrin> shadowm: That sounds good. Please fill a feature request. 
20120225 02:21:40< shadowm> I doubt it's feasible with the theme UI architecture
20120225 02:22:17< fendrin> Alarantalara: When you add 9 other cave category items in a few weeks, then I will celebrate because it most likely will contain underground water terrains.
20120225 02:22:21< shadowm> last time I checked, all elements had fixed sizes defined during theme initialization, which causes problems with internationalization
20120225 02:22:28< Alarantalara> no, just 3 bridges
20120225 02:22:32< fendrin> oh
20120225 02:23:22< fendrin> Alarantalara: Well, your question had a purpose, that I didn't get. What do you suspect to happen?
20120225 02:23:43< Alarantalara> I suspect the cave category will become unusable
20120225 02:23:59< fendrin> shadowm: Yes, I think you are right there. But sometimes the codebase does surprise one and hard looking things are easily doable.
20120225 02:25:24< Alarantalara> It already looks like this: http://imagebin.org/200672, and 9 new items + making space for the extra categories will make for rather small UI targets
20120225 02:25:38< Alarantalara> (that's 800x600)
20120225 02:26:36< fendrin> Alarantalara: You have many addons with extra terrain.
20120225 02:27:16< Alarantalara> I do, but it's not an unreasonable number for people to have
20120225 02:28:43< fendrin> Alarantalara: By the way, I would sort the railroad terrain to embellishments. I do use it more often underground than overground. 
20120225 02:29:31< Alarantalara> It doesn't act as embellishment in that it modifies terrain, so that would probably betray people's expectations
20120225 02:34:12< fendrin> Alarantalara: I have made some simple experiments with gimp concerning bridges which feature the railroads. It works out well.
20120225 02:35:55< fendrin> Alarantalara: Regarding the extra terrains, how about levels? We can get rid of the categories items at all. The palette will present basic terrain types representing flat, water, cave and so on.
20120225 02:36:39< fendrin> When you press one the collection displays that category together with a dummy terrain that means back to root. That should be doable with gui1.
20120225 02:37:32< Alarantalara> How would UMC terrains fit into this? Right now there's a nice warning to make sure people don't use them by accident
20120225 02:37:54< Alarantalara> And if they get sorted in with everything else, that would make them harder to avoid accidentally using
20120225 02:40:02< fendrin> I think that would work like it is now. Campaign specific terrain will get it's own category.
20120225 02:40:33< fendrin> And it will also feature the tooltip that prints out the warning.
20120225 02:42:10< Alarantalara> Then how is that different from the existing setup? They're already mostly grouped by terrain type and the exceptions are generally mixed terrains or ones that logically are associated with them
20120225 02:42:30< Alarantalara> (mixed as in they have a default base that matches)
20120225 02:42:47< fendrin> The difference is that the category items box is no longer existant.
20120225 02:43:12< Alarantalara> except that you left it around for the campaign specific terrains
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20120225 02:43:26< Alarantalara> so you effectively just kept things the same but with more clicks
20120225 02:43:46< fendrin> No, same amount of clicks.
20120225 02:44:37< fendrin> Ah no. The returning to root click is extra.
20120225 02:44:46< fendrin> right
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20120225 03:06:33< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53221 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
20120225 03:06:33< CIA-134> addon/mg: Minor refactoring on manage_addons() and uninstall_local_addons()
20120225 03:06:33< CIA-134> * Both functions and their support elements are now in manager_ui.cpp
20120225 03:06:33< CIA-134> * We no longer use an exception to signal the need to refresh the WML cache back to the game controller
20120225 03:06:33< CIA-134> * We no longer pass a pseudo-optional pointer to bool around
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20120225 03:06:54< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53222 /trunk/src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: addon/mg: Remove GUI1 callpath left-over in uninstall_local_addons()
20120225 03:10:06< anonymissimus> Gambit: the length problem is something common to civ games afaik
20120225 03:10:37< anonymissimus> in freeciv people complaon that they never reach the state of modern combat in a normal multiplayer game
20120225 03:11:21< anonymissimus> it simply lasts too long to research all the stuff; and still after having build a few units they are already outdated
20120225 03:11:39< anonymissimus> (I dunno whether GambCiv works like that though)
20120225 03:12:21< anonymissimus> so, they can only reasonable be played with save+reload and that's hard to coordinate with human opponents of course...
20120225 03:13:04< Alarantalara> I've played GambCiv games under 2 hours. Usually it involves very large armies very fast
20120225 03:15:17< Alarantalara> Actually, that seems to be its big advantage for speed over FreeCiv, the ability to build 7 units/structure/turn if you have enough resources
20120225 03:15:51< anonymissimus> fendrin: I recall that I used to use the "all" category for restoring the editor palette size after the bug hit me which shadowm fixed shortly before 1.10
20120225 03:16:15< anonymissimus> the random palette shrinking one
20120225 03:18:10< fendrin> anonymissimus: Yes, I used it for the same purpose :-)
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20120225 03:25:46< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53223 /trunk/src/addon/ (info.cpp info.hpp): addon/info: Implement write() method, to serialize data back to WML
20120225 03:25:58< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53224 /trunk/src/addon/client.cpp: 
20120225 03:25:58< CIA-134> addon/client: Use the standard parser.cpp write() function to generate _info.cfg
20120225 03:25:58< CIA-134> Through addon_info::write() we can get rid of the previous, annoying
20120225 03:25:58< CIA-134> variable interpolation hack and generalize more logic. Instead of using
20120225 03:25:59< CIA-134> the parser.cpp write() function on a file stream, we use a string stream
20120225 03:25:59< CIA-134> whose contents are inserted into the add-on archive before unpacking, as
20120225 03:26:00< CIA-134> usual.
20120225 03:33:12< CIA-134> fendrin * r53225 /trunk/src/editor/action/: Added directory for editor action classes.
20120225 03:34:54< shadowm> "accidentally" the wesnoth-generated _info.cfg now conveys more state than the wesnoth_addon_manager _info.cfg
20120225 03:35:43< shadowm> I guess I'll just outsource the task of updating that, because Python is confusing
20120225 03:42:01< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53226 /trunk/src/addon/client.cpp: addon/client: Prettify add-on ids for status display when .title is missing in the .pbl
20120225 03:45:38< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53227 /trunk/src/addon/ (client.cpp manager.cpp manager.hpp): 
20120225 03:45:38< CIA-134> addon: Rename get_addon_info() and set_addon_info() to better reflect their function
20120225 03:45:38< CIA-134> They have been renamed to get_addon_pbl_info() and set_addon_pbl_info(),
20120225 03:45:38< CIA-134> respectively. This also makes sense given the existing have_addon_pbl_info()
20120225 03:45:38< CIA-134> function.
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20120225 03:51:40< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53228 /trunk/src/addon/manager.hpp: addon/mg: Remove exception type orphaned by r53221
20120225 03:51:49< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53229 /trunk/src/addon/manager.hpp: addon/mg: Remove orphaned typedef
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20120225 03:53:12< CIA-134> fendrin * r53230 /trunk/src/editor/action/mouse/: Created directory for editor mouse action handler classes.
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20120225 04:00:26< CIA-134> fendrin * r53231 /trunk/src/editor/action/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Classes for handling map label placement in the editor.
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20120225 04:09:03< Alarantalara> fendrin: your commit seems incomplete: I'm getting an error saying that editor_map doesn't have the member get_game_labels
20120225 04:12:24< Alarantalara> there is also no gui/dialogs/editor_edit_label.hpp file
20120225 04:13:05< shadowm> appears to work for me, but only because the new code isn't in SConscript yet for whatever reason
20120225 04:13:27< shadowm> it's not in CMakeLists.txt either
20120225 04:13:36< Alarantalara> makes sense, I added it manually to Xcode, since I expected to need to do it shortly
20120225 04:14:03< Alarantalara> I'll just remove the references for now
20120225 04:14:49< shadowm> is it really too much to ask to use const for constants?
20120225 04:20:19< fendrin> Alarantalara: Yes, the file is not ready for inclusion into a build system. Give me some minutes.
20120225 04:21:07< Alarantalara> it's fine. I only added it because I expected to have errors if I didn't
20120225 04:22:40 * shadowm laughs at the CodingStandards a bit.
20120225 04:23:19< shadowm> The "Do not use non-private data members of classes" guideline is soooo poorly worded.
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20120225 04:27:56< fendrin> codingstandarts?
20120225 04:28:32< shadowm> no, CodingStandards
20120225 04:28:40< shadowm> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CodingStandards
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20120225 04:38:01< anonymissimus> fendrin: I thought you had programming classes ?
20120225 04:38:28< anonymissimus> encapsulation is about one of the most taught things
20120225 04:40:51< fendrin> tell me more
20120225 04:43:22< anonymissimus> uh...you read about it pls
20120225 04:43:43< anonymissimus> I'm sure there's dozens of good sources in the net
20120225 04:49:02< anonymissimus> shadowm: btw the URL is addons.wesnoth.org, even though - is valid in URLs :P
20120225 04:49:12< anonymissimus> not add-ons
20120225 04:50:15< anonymissimus> wesnoth.org/addons/1.4/ etc
20120225 04:53:19< shadowm> anonymissimus: why do you tell me this? also note that prettymuchanything.wesnoth.org will work just as fine
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20120225 04:55:07< anonymissimus> forget it
20120225 04:55:16< anonymissimus> gn8
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20120225 05:07:27< shadowm> sure, if you say so
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20120225 05:14:54< CIA-134> zamotivator * r53232 /trunk/src/savegame.cpp: Fixed bug #19495: stderr spam about missing savefiles
20120225 05:14:55< CIA-134> zamotivator * r53233 /trunk/src/savegame.cpp: Now deleted game removed from index too
20120225 05:25:38< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53234 /trunk/src/addon/ (info.cpp info.hpp manager_ui.cpp): addon/mg: Move addons_list generation logic to addon/info
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20120225 06:21:46< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53235 /trunk/src/addon/validation.cpp: addon/validation: Fix regression where type=other is not recognized anymore
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20120225 06:39:43< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53236 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/mp_change_control.cpp: gui2/tmp_change_control: Use normal #include instead of system #include
20120225 06:39:55< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53237 /trunk/src/ai/lua/core.cpp: ai/lua: Use normal #include instead of system #include
20120225 06:40:09< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53238 /trunk/src/ai/composite/engine_lua.cpp: ai/composite: Use normal #include instead of system #include
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20120225 08:07:55< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53239 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/addon/uninstall_list.cpp: gui2/taddon_uninstall_list: Use make_addon_title() instead of an identical <anonymous>::make_addon_name() function
20120225 08:08:14< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53240 /trunk/src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: 
20120225 08:08:14< CIA-134> addon/mg: Get rid of a lot of duplicate logic in uninstall_local_addons()
20120225 08:08:14< CIA-134> This removes prepare_addons_list_for_display(), which is just part of a
20120225 08:08:14< CIA-134> very round-about duplicate callpath that is equivalent to
20120225 08:08:14< CIA-134> installed_addons().
20120225 08:14:43< shadowm>   strlen(name.c_str()) == 0
20120225 08:15:27< shadowm> given const std::string& name, this differs from name.empty() == true exactly how?
20120225 08:17:30< shadowm> besides the obvious waste of CPU cycles to check whether a string is empty
20120225 08:18:49< shadowm> meh
20120225 08:19:03< shadowm> actually...  name == "" || strlen(name.c_str()) == 0 
20120225 08:19:18< shadowm> I'm stumped
20120225 08:19:50< shadowm> (this crap is in src/addon/validation.cpp, definition of addon_name_legal())
20120225 08:21:03< shadowm> mordante: ^ since you know more advanced C++, maybe you could confirm my suspicion that this is just a redundant operation
20120225 08:24:55< shadowm> hmmm, and the majority of the rest of that thing should really be a call to the std::string::find_first_of() method instead of multiple STL find algo calls.
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20120225 08:41:20< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53241 /trunk/src/ (CMakeLists.txt SConscript tests/test_addons.cpp): 
20120225 08:41:20< CIA-134> addon/validation: Add unit test suite
20120225 08:41:20< CIA-134> Only addon_name_legal() is covered right now.
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20120225 09:29:03< shadowm> anonymissimus: I'm curious about https://gna.org/bugs/?19492; exactly what is going on? I seem to get units with random genders when applicable and their correct unique gender otherwise.
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20120225 09:34:53< shadowm> mordante: btw, when was "later" supposed to be? https://gna.org/bugs/?19210#comment1
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20120225 10:24:00< Ivanovic> moin
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20120225 15:27:04< Ivanovic> AI0867, boucman, elias, fendrin, loonycyborg, Oleg, Rhonda, shadowm, Soliton, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: ready for 1.10.1?
20120225 15:28:24 * vultraz raises hand 'yes!'
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20120225 15:29:29< boucman> fine here...
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20120225 15:53:05< CIA-134> ivanovic * r53242 /branches/1.10/ (108 files in 29 dirs): 
20120225 15:53:06< CIA-134> pot-update (no new/changed strings)
20120225 15:53:06< CIA-134> regenerated doc files
20120225 15:54:25< CIA-134> ivanovic * r53243 /branches/1.10/ (changelog players_changelog src/wesconfig.h): bump version to 1.10.1
20120225 15:55:41-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: releasing 1.10.1, using r53243 | 160 bugs, 327 feature requests, 17 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20120225 16:26:07< CIA-134> ivanovic * r53244 /tags/1.10.1/: tagged 1.10.1 (using r53243)
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20120225 17:20:17< CIA-134> ivanovic * r53245 /branches/1.10/ (changelog players_changelog src/wesconfig.h): post release version bump to 1.10.1
20120225 17:20:38-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: released 1.10.1, announcing "soon" | 160 bugs, 327 feature requests, 17 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20120225 17:38:52< Oleg> Ivanovic: yes
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20120225 17:54:35< CIA-134> ivanovic * r53246 /branches/1.10/RELEASE_NOTES: the announcement draft is done, so clean up the RELEASE_NOTES
20120225 17:54:44< Ivanovic> shadowm: 1.10.1 announcement draft done in the moderators section
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20120225 17:55:45< Ivanovic> TODO for tomorrow: update the downloads wiki page, copy post over to the release announcement forum section and copy&paste the frontpage post
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20120225 18:08:23< Oleg> Ivanovic: cool!
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20120225 18:23:47< anonymissimus> shadowm: what testcase did you have exatly ? (me: 2. tutorial scenario, an elvish ranger, German language)
20120225 18:24:22< anonymissimus> (in English I would have to use :inspect)
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20120225 18:42:34< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: 1.10.1 windows release is uploaded.
20120225 18:42:51< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: great!
20120225 18:46:22< anonymissimus> Oleg: you seem to have some forgotten debug messages: Cleaning saves with prefix 'Liberty-The Raid-Auto-Save'
20120225 18:46:23< anonymissimus> Deleting savegame 'Liberty-The Raid-Auto-Save1'
20120225 18:46:28< anonymissimus> Cleaning saves with prefix 'Liberty-Civil Disobedience-Auto-Save'
20120225 18:46:28< anonymissimus> Deleting savegame 'Liberty-Civil Disobedience-Auto-Save1'
20120225 18:46:44< anonymissimus> savegame.cpp:449
20120225 18:46:50< Oleg> anonymissimus: Let me look
20120225 18:48:04< Oleg> What do you meen?
20120225 18:48:15< Oleg> A, you want say, your bug more wide than I fixed...
20120225 18:48:16< Oleg> yes?
20120225 18:48:16< anonymissimus> you can change that using the LOG_SAVE log domains so it only shows if passed --log-info=engine
20120225 18:48:40< Oleg> Just for doublecheck. I fixed bug. But original bug more wide.
20120225 18:48:47< anonymissimus> no!
20120225 18:48:50< Oleg> Other words - I fixed bug partially
20120225 18:48:55< Oleg> no?
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20120225 18:49:10< anonymissimus> just look into savegame.cpp line 449, there's a leftover debug message
20120225 18:49:16< Oleg> Yes
20120225 18:49:23< Oleg> This is related to your bug report. Correct?
20120225 18:49:34< anonymissimus> yes, that message should not be there
20120225 18:49:51< anonymissimus> whether it is related to any bug report doesn't matter
20120225 18:50:00< Oleg> Thank you for a catch. I fixed just errors related to save_index changes
20120225 18:50:11< Oleg> I am fixing it right now
20120225 18:50:53< anonymissimus> yes; you can use the existing log domain or define a new ones for your pleasure so stderr doesn't get crowded with unwanted messages
20120225 18:57:09< Oleg> anonymissimus: Fixed
20120225 18:57:10< CIA-134> zamotivator * r53247 /trunk/src/savegame.cpp: Fixed bug #19495: stderr spam about missing savefiles
20120225 19:00:36< CIA-134> anonymissimus * r53248 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: let a warning have more information
20120225 19:01:08< CIA-134> anonymissimus * r53249 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: change "Trying to recall unit failed!" error to emit useful information
20120225 19:01:23< CIA-134> anonymissimus * r53250 /trunk/projectfiles/VC9/wesnoth.vcproj: VC9 projectfile update
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20120225 19:06:40< shadowm> anonymissimus: tutorial, thief, elvish hero, elvish shyde, English language, :inspect
20120225 19:07:21< Alarantalara> Ivanovic: OS X release is uploaded
20120225 19:08:05< Ivanovic> great!
20120225 19:09:12< shadowm> I only looked at the gender attribute, though. I'll try again later.
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20120225 19:18:45< anonymissimus> ok i can no longer reproduce it...perhaps it is only semi-random
20120225 19:19:02< anonymissimus> such as set_variable's rand, that could explain it
20120225 19:20:06< shadowm> looking at unit::generate_gender(), that's quite likely
20120225 19:21:46< shadowm> in fact, both use rand_rng::simple_rng::get_next_random().
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20120225 20:08:22< CIA-134> espreon * r53251 /trunk/ (changelog data/core/units/monsters/Wolf.cfg): Extended r53160 to the regular Wolf.
20120225 20:12:36< vultraz> Alarantalara: how do I add a file to the XCode compile list?
20120225 20:13:39< CIA-134> espreon * r53252 /branches/1.10/ (changelog data/core/units/monsters/Wolf.cfg): Ported r53251 to 1.10.
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20120225 20:24:04< shadowm> Ivanovic: you posted two topics with the draft. I assume the latest one is the correct one?
20120225 20:24:21< fendrin> hi
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20120225 20:36:18< fendrin> hurray, it works
20120225 20:38:35< shadowm> blegh, the test suite blocks SIGINT
20120225 20:45:47< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53253 /trunk/src/addon/validation.cpp: 
20120225 20:45:47< CIA-134> addon/validation: Simplify addon_name_legal()
20120225 20:45:47< CIA-134> Instead of using generic STL algorithms, use std::basic_string<...>
20120225 20:45:47< CIA-134> member methods that are presumably better optimized to work with
20120225 20:45:47< CIA-134> strings. In particular, use find_first_of() instead of repeated calls to
20120225 20:45:48< CIA-134> the find algorithm.
20120225 20:45:48< CIA-134> Also get rid of a redundant and suboptimal check for an empty string.
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20120225 20:49:06< anonymissimus> fendrin: you read my complaints that your wml API design isn't complete yet ?
20120225 20:49:52< fendrin> anonymissimus: regarding the related tags like mask?
20120225 20:50:50< anonymissimus> yes
20120225 20:51:42< fendrin> Yeah, that is not new to me. Discovered that during the implementation phase. But I am not sure how to do it.
20120225 20:52:26< anonymissimus> I mean, imagine you get a girlfriend right now and thus are suddenly no longer interested in wesnoth, so that code lingers around unfinished, then a release comes, nobody remembers it, it gets used, later discovered and then can no longer be changed as easily ;)
20120225 20:53:39< fendrin> lol
20120225 20:53:41< shadowm> s/a girlfriend/hit by a truck/
20120225 20:53:52< anonymissimus> fendrin: you mean whether you should have a [map] child in the file or not ?
20120225 20:54:09< fendrin> i think i need one
20120225 20:54:12< Ivanovic> shadowm: they are probably identical...
20120225 20:54:40< Ivanovic> shadowm: deleted the older of the two
20120225 20:54:41< shadowm> Ivanovic: the later might be more likely than the former!
20120225 20:54:55< shadowm> ah, the drafts
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20120225 20:59:07< vultraz> fendrin: what happens if you want to replace a map, but keep the labels, items. etc from the old one
20120225 20:59:25< vultraz> would you need to have them identical over the two [map]s?
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20120225 21:01:06< fendrin> vultraz: [replace_map] does only replace terrain.
20120225 21:02:01< fendrin> vultraz: And the [label]s are no subtags of [map]
20120225 21:02:41< anonymissimus> vultraz: this has nothing to do with each other
20120225 21:03:39< anonymissimus> in the test scenario the labels and items stay
20120225 21:03:55< anonymissimus> the once becoming off-map are probably lost though
20120225 21:04:01< anonymissimus> ones
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20120225 21:06:50< shadowm> Ivanovic: okay, edited the draft
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20120225 21:08:13< shadowm> okay, wait, editing again
20120225 21:13:07< fendrin> AI0867: what is the status schema validation?
20120225 21:14:13< shadowm> Ivanovic: okay, done
20120225 21:19:32< Espreon> shadowm: You enabled Pango markup for use in an add-on's description, yes?
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20120225 21:38:27< shadowm> Espreon: no, and I won't do that.
20120225 21:38:55< Espreon> All right then. I thought someone did that awhile ago.
20120225 21:39:29< shadowm> I did for campaign descriptions in the campaigns menu, but not in add-on descritions in the add-ons manager.
20120225 21:39:37< Espreon> Ah.
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20120225 21:41:26< shadowm> Do you know whether we have a constant or function to build bullet lists in the backend?
20120225 21:41:58< Espreon> Um, what?
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20120225 21:42:22< shadowm> Bullet lists, like the objectives dialog.
20120225 21:42:30< Espreon> Yes, what about them?
20120225 21:43:25< shadowm> Do you know whether we have a constant or function to hepl build those in the backend?
20120225 21:43:29< shadowm> *help
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20120225 21:45:14< Espreon> I have no clue what you're asking. I don't understand technical gobbledygook.
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20120225 21:45:52< shadowm> Very well, then.
20120225 21:46:09< shadowm> (And yet, we have to put up with yours.)
20120225 21:46:25< Espreon> At least I'm willing to explain mine.
20120225 21:46:51< shadowm> Backend == engine.
20120225 21:46:57< shadowm> Build == generate.
20120225 21:47:22< shadowm> I'm sure I don't need to explain what a constant or function is.
20120225 21:48:10< Espreon> Well, what do you want to do
20120225 21:48:52< shadowm> Generate a bullet list.
20120225 21:49:16< CIA-134> anonymissimus * r53254 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: strip some trailing whitespace
20120225 21:49:46< CIA-134> anonymissimus * r53255 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: 
20120225 21:49:46< CIA-134> modify_unit: readd part of the "kill units" behavior which I removed in r52754
20120225 21:49:46< CIA-134> (fix for bug #19498)
20120225 21:49:59< Espreon> All I can tell you is to look at data/lua/wml/objectives.lua
20120225 21:50:10< fendrin> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Battle-Wesnoth-Lambert-M-Surhone/dp/3639941799/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330202925&sr=8-1
20120225 21:50:11< shadowm> I'm working in the backend, not Lua.
20120225 21:50:18< Espreon> I have no clue, then.
20120225 21:50:34< Espreon> The bullet stuff is done in Lua.
20120225 21:50:40< Espreon> ... from what I've seen.
20120225 21:51:02< shadowm> The question is not how I do that, because that's ridiculously trivial, but rather whether there's already an existing function to help me do that, or a constant with the bullet character defined globally.
20120225 21:51:04< fendrin> That books from this label are just copies from internet texts. And it is sold for 47 pound.
20120225 21:51:09< Espreon> ... That's bullshit.
20120225 21:51:39< Espreon> shadowm: Yes, a default bullet character is defined.
20120225 21:51:49< shadowm> I've heard of the wikipedia copypasta books at least twice before.
20120225 21:51:52< shadowm> Espreon: where?
20120225 21:52:19< Espreon> shadowm: Line fifty-five of data/lua/wml/objectives.lua
20120225 21:52:29< shadowm> 17:50:11 <shadowm> I'm working in the backend, not Lua.
20120225 21:53:03< Espreon> That's where it's defined.
20120225 21:53:41< anonymissimus> I recall that we have no global constant for "Pi" even
20120225 21:53:42< Espreon> AFAIK, pretty much the entire objectives stuff was moved to Lua.
20120225 21:53:44< shadowm> That's Lua, not the backend.
20120225 21:53:51< Espreon> shadowm: Then I have no freaking clue.
20120225 21:53:54< shadowm> Goddammit. I don't even have a Lua context in this unit.
20120225 21:59:00< AI0867> fendrin: I have no idea, I completely missed that part of GSOC
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20120225 22:03:04< anonymissimus> Oleg: I have another bug report which I am guessing is caused by your refactoring
20120225 22:03:18< Oleg> please give me link to it
20120225 22:03:45< anonymissimus> Oleg: playing any scenario, the preferences setting about maximum auto saves seems no longer to work
20120225 22:04:08< Oleg> anonymissimus: How does it work now?
20120225 22:04:44< anonymissimus> that is, in 1.10 when the turn 14 autosave is created, the turn 3 one is deleted while playing the scenario already, this does no longer happen now, even the turn 1 save stays
20120225 22:05:00< anonymissimus> (max autosaves set to 10)
20120225 22:05:35< anonymissimus> I didn't check whether it/they are deleted later
20120225 22:05:46< Oleg> anonymissimus: Do you think it is related to my refactoring?
20120225 22:06:19< anonymissimus> at least to something which happened between the 1.10.0 tag and current trunk revision
20120225 22:06:28< Oleg> Ok, I will check
20120225 22:06:59< anonymissimus> since I checked the two against each other since I wasn't quite sure about the previous behavior
20120225 22:11:52< anonymissimus> how do we handle the closing of bugs which were fixed in trunk only ?
20120225 22:12:28< shadowm> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ReportingBugs#Bug_protocol
20120225 22:13:55< anonymissimus> theres no answer for the question
20120225 22:14:21< anonymissimus> bugs reported not only for trunk but fixed only in it
20120225 22:14:29< shadowm> read the very last bullet
20120225 22:14:45< anonymissimus> there's only said something about bugs reported for trunk only
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20120225 22:15:04< shadowm> *second-to-last
20120225 22:18:16< anonymissimus> still not clear
20120225 22:18:35< shadowm> what's not clear about closing it as soon as a new release containing the fix is released?
20120225 22:18:55< anonymissimus> independently from whether it's a dev ot stable release ?
20120225 22:19:02< shadowm> exactly
20120225 22:20:20< shadowm> and I imagine here's a good reason preventing the bug in question from being fixed in 1.10, whatever it is
20120225 22:20:25< shadowm> *there's
20120225 22:25:14< shadowm> Espreon: do we really need the gettext plurals for things such as the dependencies prompt?
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20120225 22:26:11< Espreon> shadowm: What is the prompt again?
20120225 22:26:29< shadowm> addon/manager_ui.cpp:230
20120225 22:27:36< Espreon> Yes.
20120225 22:27:55< shadowm> very well, then
20120225 22:28:11< anonymissimus> "There are no things which are impossible! I think, you may reimplement dialog at next 1.12 release. "...
20120225 22:28:32< anonymissimus> I sure hope you are as annoyed by such stuff like me
20120225 22:29:10< shadowm> yes
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20120225 22:37:10< Espreon> zookeeper: From what I've seen, [resistance]max_value= merely sets resistance possibility instead of restricting what the abiity can do. I was thinking it should just restrict what the ability can do and have a key for max_value's current behavior (set_to= perhaps). What do you think?
20120225 22:38:06< Espreon> And excuse any logical errors; Wesnoth's ability system confuses me.
20120225 22:38:13< Espreon> *resistance system
20120225 22:39:01< zookeeper> "sets resistance possibility instead of restricting what the abiity can do"?
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20120225 22:40:23< Espreon> And, of course, I completely lost my train of though. I think I'll just not care about it anymore.
20120225 22:40:29< Espreon> *thought
20120225 22:40:39< Espreon> Don't worry.
20120225 22:40:41< zookeeper> works for me ;)
20120225 22:40:42< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: closed the fixed/wont fix/works for me/invalid/duplicate bugs that should be closed (I hope ;))
20120225 22:40:53< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: ah, great!
20120225 22:41:07< Ivanovic> thanks for doing this!
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20120225 23:04:44< anonymissimus> shadowm: what does --smallgui do ? can we mark https://gna.org/bugs/?19205 as FR ? the option is recognized but it doesn't seem it does anything for me, and the --help doesn't cover it
20120225 23:05:11< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53256 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): addon/info: Move make_addon_title() from addon/manager.cpp
20120225 23:05:21< shadowm> I believe --smallgui stopped doing anything useful once 800x480 support became built-in.
20120225 23:05:22< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53257 /trunk/src/addon/ (info.cpp info.hpp manager_ui.cpp): 
20120225 23:05:23< CIA-134> addon/info: New display_title() class method
20120225 23:05:23< CIA-134> Used to be <anonymous>::auto_addon_title() in addon/manager_ui.cpp.
20120225 23:05:52< shadowm> before that, it was the only way to enable support for resolutions < 800x600 at runtime
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20120225 23:06:26< Ivanovic> the last time it was required was some time ago to display the main menu logo at a better position
20120225 23:06:35< Ivanovic> this is, IIRC, no longer required these days
20120225 23:10:37< anonymissimus> ok so nobody has an idea what to do with the report and it distracts us from more important ones :(
20120225 23:13:09< shadowm> it distracts *you*
20120225 23:13:29< shadowm> I doubt everyone is spending two hours every day analzying the same old report ;)
20120225 23:15:35< zookeeper> it's a bug, not an FR. so it should be marked a bug, not an FR.
20120225 23:17:07< anonymissimus> at least I notice it if a letter changes there then
20120225 23:17:32< zookeeper> does not compute
20120225 23:17:56< zookeeper> anyway, i'm sure this discussion doesn't need to be repeated once again
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20120225 23:21:45< anonymissimus> but honestly, it looks like a FR to me, not just because to remove a bug
20120225 23:23:28< shadowm> if anything, it's a bug against 1.8 that becomes invalid against 1.9.5 and later
20120225 23:24:41< shadowm> r48843 suggests that the people eliminating the smallgui differentiation didn't do a very thorough work, though
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