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20120213 02:25:03< janebot> Twitter: @Wesnoth: Scheduled #Wesnoth forums maintenance downtime for February 14th, 19:00 UTC: http://t.co/9LP0gYRm [ Feb-13-2012 01:23 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/6ozezft ]
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20120213 06:37:09< ancestral> Did all the 1.9.x add-ons port automatically to 1.10?
20120213 06:37:38< shadowm> 1.9.x and 1.10 use the same add-ons server instance
20120213 06:37:42< ancestral> Rather, do they still show?
20120213 06:37:48< shadowm> yes
20120213 06:38:09< ancestral> Okay
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20120213 10:47:00< Ivanovic> moin
20120213 10:51:25< enchilado> moin
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20120213 12:24:10< grand_grunt> Was going to ask, but found it : it is possible to define some special stuff on maps. I wanted to build a map such as "Caves_of_the_Basilisk" with frozen units, it is into a .cfg file :)
20120213 12:32:19< Ivanovic> grand_grunt: the map files themselves only define an (initial) set of terrains
20120213 12:32:29< Ivanovic> this also includes a starting position per player
20120213 12:32:38< Ivanovic> everything else is done in an additional config file
20120213 12:32:50< Ivanovic> (like events, free spawns, statues, extra objects, ...)
20120213 12:32:56< grand_grunt> Yeah :)
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20120213 18:51:12< Heyub> Good morning, I have a question about custom campaigns.  I am trying to change the leader temporarily to one of the heroes acquired earlier in the scenario, and then after a couple levels change back to the original leader.  I don't seem to understand how to change leaders, all I can do is create a new team which is not the desired outcome.  How might I go about this?
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20120213 19:00:13< Crendgrim> Heyub: how did you try to achieve that?
20120213 19:01:02< Crendgrim> I would try to use [modify_unit], give the hero "canrecruit=yes" and the former leader "canrecruit=no"
20120213 19:01:04< Heyub> Nothing really, I'm quite clueless how to do it.
20120213 19:01:15< Crendgrim> though I have no idea whether that actually works
20120213 19:03:23< Heyub> Well theres the real problem, I don't want to previous leader to even be in the level, however he needs to return in a later level
20120213 19:03:42< Crendgrim> [store_unit]kill=yes
20120213 19:03:57< Crendgrim> though you might have to give the hero leader power first
20120213 19:04:16< Crendgrim> it might be that else the side loses... however, I'm not too sure about that
20120213 19:05:15< Heyub> Oh didn't know about store_unit, thats handy.  If you kill a leader with the event "victory" it has no effect.
20120213 19:07:04< Heyub> How do you give a unit leader power?
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20120213 19:07:19< Crendgrim> canrecruit=yes
20120213 19:07:44< Heyub> Ah, ok, thank you very much :)
20120213 19:09:00< Crendgrim> you're welcome.
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20120213 19:44:58< Heyub> Hmm I might be doing something wrong, if I store/kill the leader in the previous level and give the hero the ability to recruit, what should I place under [side] as far as unit, id, type goes?
20120213 19:50:25< fendrin_> Heyub: no_leader=yes
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20120213 19:54:02< Heyub> Thanks
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20120213 22:08:19< ancestral> What syntax do I need to see if there are any units with moves left in the current side?
20120213 22:10:08< ancestral> Obviously [filter] side=$side_number [/filter] but how do I filter for any unit with moves left?
20120213 22:10:34< shadowm> [not] moves=0 [/not], presumably
20120213 22:11:11< shadowm> or alternatively, [not] moves=0 attacks_left=0 [/not]
20120213 22:11:29< Crendgrim> shadowm: according to the wiki, SUF doesn't support moves= ...
20120213 22:11:40< Crendgrim> then you'd need to do something like "[filter_wml]moves="
20120213 22:11:52< Crendgrim> *or* (rather likely), the documentation is incomplete.
20120213 22:11:55< ancestral> Crendgrim: But isn't that the total movement point?
20120213 22:12:08< ancestral> I want to know if there any movement points left for a unit
20120213 22:12:14< shadowm> Crendgrim: hence presumably
20120213 22:12:18< Crendgrim> ancestral: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SingleUnitWML
20120213 22:12:20< ancestral> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SingleUnitWML seems to show the key "moves"
20120213 22:12:28< Crendgrim> moves: number of movement points the unit has left. Default is the movement for its unit type. 
20120213 22:12:29< ancestral> How do I write that into my filter?
20120213 22:12:34< ancestral> Put it in a unit tag?
20120213 22:12:36< Crendgrim> inside [filer_wml]
20120213 22:12:43< Crendgrim> *[filter_wml]
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20120213 22:12:51< ancestral> Okay, I got movement and moves mixed up
20120213 22:12:58< shadowm> max_moves stores the total MP for a serialized single unit, not moves
20120213 22:13:05< shadowm> or max_movement
20120213 22:13:29< shadowm> I'm not sure which, since the naming of these has never been consistent
20120213 22:14:18< shadowm> okay, a recent commit in AtS confirms it's max_moves
20120213 22:16:06< ancestral> Crendgrim: Do I put the [filter_wml] inside the [filter[ tag or no?
20120213 22:16:31< Crendgrim> inside, yes.
20120213 22:16:34< ancestral> Hmm
20120213 22:16:35< Crendgrim> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/StandardUnitFilter
20120213 22:16:49< Crendgrim> that is, you put it as part of the SUF
20120213 22:16:50< ancestral> I don't think this is working
20120213 22:16:58< ancestral> [filter_wml]: this is WML level filter for the unit. In it, you can filter on anything that is in the WML description of a unit
20120213 22:17:25< Crendgrim> if there isn't a [filter] around the SUF in the surrounding tag you're using, don't use it now
20120213 22:17:52< ancestral> Going to try it with [have_unit]
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20120213 22:18:47< zookeeper> sigh
20120213 22:18:49< zookeeper> what the heck are you doing?
20120213 22:18:54< Crendgrim> then don't use [filter]..
20120213 22:19:02< ancestral> Let me post up a pastebin
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20120213 22:20:05< zookeeper> that's what you usually ought to do immediately following your question... :p
20120213 22:20:14< ancestral> http://pastebin.com/atb7BtiU
20120213 22:20:58< zookeeper> your event triggers when an attack ends and the primary unit has no moves left
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20120213 22:21:19< zookeeper> that's how event filters work
20120213 22:21:20< ancestral> Right, when it triggers is almost unimportant atm.
20120213 22:21:34< ancestral> I need to check for moves left on other units on the same side
20120213 22:22:15< zookeeper> use [filter_condition] 
20120213 22:22:35< zookeeper> and [have_unit] in it, naturally
20120213 22:25:26< ancestral> Hmm
20120213 22:26:24< ancestral> I have this now: http://pastebin.com/0xeJDpcb
20120213 22:26:44< ancestral> But the turn is ending even when other units on the side haven't acted yet
20120213 22:27:09< Crendgrim> well, your filter_condition is true if you have *one* unit with moves=0
20120213 22:27:24< Crendgrim> a [not] around the [have_unit] should do the trick IIUC
20120213 22:27:51< Crendgrim> *if you have at least one unit (just clarifying things)
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20120213 22:33:23< ancestral> Hmm no
20120213 22:33:45< ancestral> I want it to end if there's no other units with moves, I think this does the opposite of what I want
20120213 22:34:10< ancestral> I should try moves > 1
20120213 22:34:18< zookeeper> ...
20120213 22:34:22< Crendgrim> ...
20120213 22:34:28< Crendgrim> no.
20120213 22:34:36< Crendgrim> you shouldn't try that.
20120213 22:34:41< ancestral> I'm confused here
20120213 22:34:45< zookeeper> are you absolutely sure that side=$side_number is what you want?
20120213 22:34:52< ancestral> I want the current side
20120213 22:35:02< zookeeper> okay, i guess it's right then
20120213 22:35:54< zookeeper> so, the code of your last paste tells the event to trigger if the current side (the attacker's side) has unit(s) with 0 moves.
20120213 22:36:05< Crendgrim> ancestral: "[have_unit][filter_wml]moves=0" searches for a unit which has 0 moves left
20120213 22:36:16< ancestral> I see
20120213 22:36:19< Crendgrim> and if it finds any unit for which this applies, the [filter_condition] equals true.
20120213 22:36:21< ancestral> So I need that or no other units
20120213 22:36:31< ancestral> Alright
20120213 22:36:31< zookeeper> what you want is to tell it to trigger when the current side does not have any units which do not have 0 moves left
20120213 22:36:43< Crendgrim> so, if you put a [not] around the [have_unit], it will check whether there aren't any units which have moves left
20120213 22:36:55< Crendgrim> which should be what you want to achieve if I'm not mistaken..
20120213 22:37:17< ancestral> Yet in the game, with just one unit, after its attacked, the turn doesn't get ended
20120213 22:37:55< ancestral> The goal is to end the turn if there aren't any moves
20120213 22:38:06< zookeeper> well then you figure out why it doesn't
20120213 22:38:08< zookeeper> it's simple
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20120213 22:45:28< ancestral> I'm sure it is…
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20120213 22:47:40< zookeeper> see, for all i know your event might never trigger even if you remove all those conditions
20120213 22:47:45< zookeeper> you might have put it in the wrong place, for instance
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20120213 22:48:53< zookeeper> and for all i know, what we suggested for the condition should work
20120213 22:49:29< ancestral> Well, it's easy to know when it's being triggered, because the turn ends
20120213 22:50:16< ancestral> What I don't understand is
20120213 22:51:22< ancestral> Basically I'm filtering "Not have units on this side with moves=0"
20120213 22:52:36< zookeeper> mm-hm
20120213 22:52:39< ancestral> The attacker would have no moves left after an attack, right?
20120213 22:52:50< zookeeper> shouldn't have
20120213 22:53:02< ancestral> Thus the attacker would get filtered
20120213 22:53:24< zookeeper> but maybe the moves are zeroed only after the attack. i think they get zeroed before the fight begins, but maybe they don't.
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20120213 22:54:59< ancestral> Doesn't "attack end" event fire after the attack?
20120213 22:55:32< ancestral> Let me test this one moment
20120213 22:58:41< zookeeper> it does
20120213 22:59:04< zookeeper> i'm just speculating since i haven't come up with any other reason
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20120213 23:03:56< ancestral> Well, I have [not] wrapped around [have_unit] from my paste. The turn doesn't get ended now. I guess I'll have to keep playing with this.
20120213 23:04:13< zookeeper> paste it again
20120213 23:04:44< ancestral> http://pastebin.com/p2QfMQGE
20120213 23:04:53< ancestral> I qppreciate you help
20120213 23:04:58< ancestral> *appreciate
20120213 23:05:13< zookeeper> well, now you've set it to trigger when the current side has no units with 0 moves
20120213 23:05:20< zookeeper> and naturally there will be at least one
20120213 23:05:29< ancestral> Right
20120213 23:05:38< zookeeper> add a [not] around [filter_wml]
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20120213 23:08:21< ancestral> I think that did it
20120213 23:08:27< ancestral> Awesome
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20120213 23:10:24< ancestral> What are ways a unit can run out of moves? No movement left, attacked, captured village
20120213 23:10:54< zookeeper> moves == movement left
20120213 23:11:02< ancestral> Right
20120213 23:11:13< zookeeper> so, whenever your unit ends up with 0MP...
20120213 23:12:24< ancestral> The question is how to get an event to fire on that. Would the Event name "select" work for that?
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20120213 23:15:32< zookeeper> umm, no
20120213 23:15:56< zookeeper> perhaps name=move,attack,capture would do
20120213 23:16:06< zookeeper> well, just move,attack
20120213 23:16:24< zookeeper> can't really do anything but move and attack with a unit, so those should catch them all
20120213 23:16:49< ancestral> Cool
20120213 23:17:20< ancestral> So just add "moveto" event
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20120213 23:18:15< zookeeper> oops, yeah, s/move/moveto
20120213 23:18:21< ancestral> Yes! Absolutely works!
20120213 23:18:27< ancestral> zookeeper: Thanks a million!
20120213 23:19:05< zookeeper> no problem. next time, start with a paste ;)
20120213 23:19:12< ancestral> Will do
20120213 23:19:18< ancestral> (Pressing the End Turn seems so tedious to me, when it's obvious there's nothing to do…)
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20120213 23:32:53< ancestral> The only thing I haven't accounted for is moving but being able to attack in place
20120213 23:33:00< ancestral> In which case, I need to filter for adjacent units
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20120213 23:36:49< ancestral> However, it's also possible to move another unit and save its attack, so I need some way to check the equivalent of an attacks key
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