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20120216 00:55:10< ancestral> I've got some questions on [filter], [filter_condition], and [filter_adjacent]
20120216 00:56:31< ancestral> When using [filter_condition] and it's true, it then does the next action?
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20120216 01:06:21< Gambit> When combining everything, they must all be true
20120216 01:06:29< Gambit> I'm not sure how short circuiting with filters works
20120216 01:07:18< shadowm_laptop> [filter_adjacent] is part of a SUF; [filter] and [filter_condition] are event handler conditions
20120216 01:07:38< shadowm_laptop> in particular, [filter] is a SUF just like [filter_second]
20120216 01:08:18< Gambit> Actually I think [filter_adjecent] is part of SLFs
20120216 01:08:29< shadowm_laptop> no, it isn't; you are thinking of filter_adjacent_location
20120216 01:09:10< shadowm_laptop> SUFs can be embedded in SLFs and viceversa, which is a different matter
20120216 01:09:26< ancestral> Okay so let me show you a snippet?
20120216 01:09:52< shadowm_laptop> sure
20120216 01:10:56< ancestral> Alright, this is probably written incorrectly…
20120216 01:10:58< ancestral> http://pastebin.com/6ZfSamfR
20120216 01:11:49< ancestral> I'm checking to see that a side doesn't have units with non-zero moves left…
20120216 01:12:10< ancestral> or if they have 0 moves left that aren't standing next to enemies
20120216 01:12:16< shadowm> the [or] breaks it
20120216 01:13:04< shadowm> you are checking whether you have units in side $side_number *or* you have units that ( have no remaining moves AND have no remaining moves or attacks left while adjacent to an allied unit )
20120216 01:13:39< ancestral> It should be
20120216 01:13:58< shadowm> and then  negating the result
20120216 01:14:48< ancestral> I'm missing a not, I think, but what I want to test for is
20120216 01:16:22< ancestral> OR (no units with moves 0), (units with moves 0 and NOT(attacks_left=0) and no adjacent enemies)
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20120216 01:18:23< ancestral> Ugh, logic. Let me think about this one moment
20120216 01:18:46< ancestral> Okay
20120216 01:19:56< shadowm> https://pastebin.com/iVbDRe0g
20120216 01:20:36< shadowm> also note that filter_wml slows things down due to unit serialization
20120216 01:24:37< shadowm> a version with WML indentation: https://pastebin.com/zg6HNRXz
20120216 01:26:51< ancestral> Thanks, let me test and see if this is what I want
20120216 01:29:38< ancestral> I think I need one more [not]
20120216 01:31:08< ancestral> Testing…
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20120216 01:36:48< ancestral> Closer, but I think I have something off
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20120216 01:43:38< ancestral> I should make this easier
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20120216 01:48:20< ancestral> shadowm: http://pastebin.com/ucB0BaFF When a side has units all with no moves left, end the turn
20120216 01:49:33< ancestral> I want to add, if a unit has 0 moves but hasn't attacked, and can attack, don't end the turn.
20120216 01:51:40< ancestral> I feel like I'm running into De Morgan's law
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20120216 01:54:56< Heyub> Good afternoon, I have a question  concerning custom campaigns, I am trying to make a hex temporarily impassible (that is under normal circumstances passable.)  In-game the use is a jail, and when the player stands next to it the gate will be removed and the tile becomes passable.   How do I go about making a tile impassible?
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20120216 02:08:21< ancestral> Heyub: Well, you can use [terrain] and have on the next two lines
20120216 02:08:40< ancestral> x=18 and the next line y=6
20120216 02:08:53< ancestral> Change the numbers for your scenario
20120216 02:09:56< ancestral> The third line terrain=
20120216 02:10:05< ancestral> X is impassible
20120216 02:10:08< ancestral> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/TerrainCodesWML
20120216 02:10:26< ancestral> Heyub: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/TerrainCodeTableWML
20120216 02:11:14< Heyub> I don't think I understand the third line
20120216 02:11:35< ancestral> One moment
20120216 02:13:58< ancestral> Heyub: http://pastebin.com/KPsd281Z
20120216 02:14:13< ancestral> Do you want to change the terrain tile? Or just put an impassible overlay on top?
20120216 02:14:39< Heyub> Just an overlay ontop
20120216 02:15:34< Heyub> Oh, I think I understand now!  Thank you for your help :)
20120216 02:15:37< ancestral> Okay, so you'd take the terrain and add ^Xo at the end
20120216 02:15:46< ancestral> Like Gg^Xo
20120216 02:16:03< ancestral> Or Co^Xo
20120216 02:16:10< Heyub> Yeah, I had forgotten that there was an overlay for impassible.
20120216 02:16:36< ancestral> I didn't know http://wiki.wesnoth.org/TerrainCodeTableWML existed until now, so hey :)
20120216 02:19:18< Heyub> Thanks again for the help :)
20120216 02:20:38< Heyub> Also, one more thing, when ones name is red it appears they are private messaging me, how does one send a private message?
20120216 02:21:18< ancestral> In IRC or Wesnoth?
20120216 02:21:22< Heyub> in IRC
20120216 02:21:47< enchilado> that would depend on your client
20120216 02:22:01< enchilado> er, the display would
20120216 02:22:03< ancestral> You can type / commands thouh
20120216 02:22:04< shadowm> /query Nickname here
20120216 02:22:41< enchilado> messaging would be the same in all clients, but the display of people and private messages and such varies greatly
20120216 02:23:02< Heyub> Oh, I see, I just used the link on the wesnoth website.
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20120216 02:25:08< shadowm> ancestral: did you try my original suggestion, wrapping the entirety of the SUF in [not] except for the side=$side_number line?
20120216 02:25:36< enchilado> Heyub: the freenode webchat client, then? Yes, if you see a tab with someone's name on it in red that means they've PM'd you.
20120216 02:26:17< shadowm> enchilado: /whois Heyub  :p
20120216 02:26:39< enchilado> shadowm: yes, I did that
20120216 02:30:15< ancestral> shadowm: I took your pastebin, yeah. I get close by changing [and] and [or], I'm still testing something
20120216 02:31:52< shadowm> I just gave you very specific directions to try :(
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20120216 02:33:36< kernigh> I have a question about https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19393 "Units invisible after victory"...
20120216 02:33:54< kernigh> Is the linger mode supposed to reveal units under fog/shroud, or are those units supposed to stay hidden?
20120216 02:34:28< ancestral> shadowm: My logic was flawed, that's on me, one moment
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20120216 02:35:12< ancestral> The answer is yes I tried it and no, it didn't provide what I wanted
20120216 02:35:52< ancestral> Damn
20120216 02:35:54< shadowm> ancestral: not even after amending it with the additional [not]?
20120216 02:36:02< ancestral> Lemme try again
20120216 02:36:21< ancestral> I might not have put the [not] on the right place
20120216 02:36:33< shadowm> because I did screw up the logic too, that's what I'm saying
20120216 02:36:47< shadowm> this oduble negatives thing is bad for my brain
20120216 02:37:18< ancestral> It's like triple negatives, actually ;-)
20120216 02:37:32< kernigh> You have a not [not] knot.
20120216 02:37:38< ancestral> Pretty much!
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20120216 02:40:00< ancestral> Testing
20120216 02:41:37< ancestral> shadowm: The first part, moves=0, works great without the extra not, so just as is from your last paste
20120216 02:42:39< shadowm> hm, that doesn't make sense, because it'd then only trigger as long  as there aren't units without moves
20120216 02:42:47< ancestral> No, I'm wrong!
20120216 02:42:50< ancestral> Blast
20120216 02:44:20< ancestral> Hmm
20120216 02:44:35< ancestral> So at moves=0 with no enemies it should still end the turn and it's not
20120216 02:45:46< ancestral> Okay so here's what I did
20120216 02:46:08< ancestral> shadowm: I put the [not] only for the first [filter_wml]
20120216 02:46:15< ancestral> Let me test the second part now
20120216 02:47:18< ancestral> shadowm: I think one of the three statements in the second part needs a not and another one doesn't
20120216 02:47:28< ancestral> Or I need to flip yes and no
20120216 02:47:50< ancestral> It absolutely has to do with filter_adjacent
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20120216 02:48:21< ancestral> I'm going to try flipping both
20120216 02:49:41< ancestral> …And that was a bad idea. Alright, gotta think this over
20120216 02:50:10< kernigh> Is your filter in some pastebin?
20120216 02:50:15< ancestral> Yeah
20120216 02:50:20< kernigh> Give a link?
20120216 02:50:31< ancestral> https://pastebin.com/zg6HNRXz
20120216 02:50:48< shadowm> updated: https://pastebin.com/zg6HNRXz
20120216 02:51:06< shadowm> also added some comments
20120216 03:13:06< kernigh> That is a difficult filter. It looks like, to me, it should fire the event _unless_ the current side has at least one unit who has more than 0 moves, or who has 0 moves but meets some other conditions. Is that what you meant?
20120216 03:13:34< ancestral> Yes
20120216 03:15:06< ancestral> Kernigh: It's evolved from this: http://pastebin.com/ucB0BaFF
20120216 03:15:24< ancestral> Or, that one expired. Bah
20120216 03:17:45< ancestral> shadowm, kernigh: the updated paste shadowm made doesn't trigger when the unit runs out of moves and has no enemies around him
20120216 03:18:38< ancestral> It does handle adjacent enemies with 0 moves though
20120216 03:19:20< ancestral> But id does handle adjacent allies with 0 moves
20120216 03:19:23< ancestral> *it
20120216 03:20:15< ancestral> It looks like the only logic missing is 0 moves & no adjacent units
20120216 03:21:05< kernigh> [filter_adjacent] with is_enemy=0 should look for at least 1 adjacent unit who is not an enemy.
20120216 03:23:50< ancestral> I just need to say no adjacent units
20120216 03:29:34< kernigh> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/StandardUnitFilter describes [filter_adjacent]...
20120216 03:29:57< kernigh> I imagine that count=0 would check for no adjacent units, or count=0 with is_enemy=yes would check for no adjacent enemies?
20120216 03:31:15< ancestral> That might be it
20120216 03:32:58< ancestral> Testing
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20120216 03:49:48< ancestral> I'm going to get this!
20120216 03:49:51< ancestral> :-P
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20120216 04:00:26< ancestral> I must be running into a caching bug
20120216 04:00:35< ancestral> I'm hitting F5 every time
20120216 04:00:39< ancestral> Before loading the map
20120216 04:01:31< kernigh> I heard that F5 only works on the title screen?
20120216 04:01:45< kernigh> I don't use F5. It is easy enough for me to quit and restart Wesnoth.
20120216 04:02:56< ancestral> Yeah, I was doing it at the main screen
20120216 04:03:31< ancestral> Hmmm
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20120216 04:06:57< ancestral> Okay, I just left something out. Typical.
20120216 04:12:17< ancestral> Well, I can cheat
20120216 04:12:21< ancestral> I can have two events
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20120216 04:26:18< ancestral> Alright, the answer is simpler than I thought. And slightly less elegant
20120216 04:26:40< ancestral> There may be some way to combine it, but it really doesn't matter
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20120216 04:29:08< ancestral> Haha
20120216 04:29:21< ancestral> Nice, <Invalid WML found> [or] not supported
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20120216 05:03:16< ancestral> kernigh: I think count=0 doesn't work in this context
20120216 05:03:24< ancestral> I'm going to try using side=
20120216 05:04:02< kernigh> Maybe you can use [not] around count=1-6.
20120216 05:04:14< kernigh> count=1-6 is the default.
20120216 05:04:30< ancestral> But it doesn't return a 0?
20120216 05:04:39< ancestral> That's what I need to test for
20120216 05:05:00< kernigh> I mean, saying "there is not 1 to 6 units" should mean the same thing as "there are 0 units".
20120216 05:05:27< ancestral> Oh, I can actually write "1-6"?
20120216 05:05:48< ancestral> Hmm
20120216 05:05:53< kernigh> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/StandardUnitFilter says that count="1-6" is the default, so you don't need to write it.
20120216 05:05:53< ancestral> I see
20120216 05:06:15< kernigh> If you don't have any count=, it acts like count="1-6".
20120216 05:10:13< ancestral> kernigh: Looking at http://pastebin.com/zg6HNRXz again
20120216 05:11:14< kernigh> The filter in that pastebin is still looking for adjacent units that are not enemies ([filter_adjacent] with is_enemy=no)?
20120216 05:13:00< ancestral> It would seem that I need to check for is_enemy or 0 adjacent units
20120216 05:13:17< ancestral> Either adjacent units are enemies or allies
20120216 05:13:26< ancestral> Which explains why this works when a unit parks next to an ally
20120216 05:14:16< kernigh> So if you wrote [not] [filter_adjacent] is_enemy=yes [/filter_adjacent] [/not]...
20120216 05:14:26< kernigh> would it check for 0 adjacent enemies?
20120216 05:15:07< ancestral> Let's find out!
20120216 05:16:49< ancestral> kernigh: Should I insert that or just put [not]s in?
20120216 05:17:40< ancestral> Trying both
20120216 05:18:21< ancestral> I think "is_enemy=no" means ally
20120216 05:19:02< ancestral> Yeah, no luck, sadly
20120216 05:23:14< ancestral> kernigh: Okay, so I've tested a new event and it does like count=0
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20120216 05:28:50< ancestral> kernigh: Problem solved with a second event. I'll take it. In case you're curious: http://pastebin.com/sJer42x6
20120216 05:29:03< ancestral> Now I just need to account for recruiting
20120216 05:30:33< kernigh> You can probably combine those two events if you insert an [and] in the correct place.
20120216 05:30:44< ancestral> Yeah
20120216 05:31:03< kernigh> You still have [filter_adjacent] is_enemy=no [/filter_adjacent] in the 2nd event, so it is still looking for adjacent ally, if we think is_enemy=no means ally.
20120216 05:31:16< ancestral> And I'm missing some conditionals in the new moveto
20120216 05:31:56< kernigh> The logic is so difficult, I don't remember whether or not you wanted to check for adjacent allies.
20120216 05:32:38< ancestral> Yes, the adjacent allies currently works
20120216 05:32:53< ancestral> The only piece that wasn't working is a unit moving and ending alone
20120216 05:33:41< ancestral> Yeah, still need some conditionals for other units
20120216 05:42:30< ancestral> Mmmmkay
20120216 06:10:20< ancestral> HOORAY!
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20120216 06:11:02< ancestral> kernigh: Finally did get it. http://pastebin.com/kNrDG1BJ
20120216 06:12:24< ancestral> Man took me like 5 hours haha
20120216 06:12:37< ancestral> No matter :)
20120216 06:12:48< kernigh> I just wasted some time with a broken [variable] tag because I wrote [variable] variable=, not the correct [variable] name=.
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20120216 08:28:43< swrnjtbs> very few players on server after update!!
20120216 08:30:18< swrnjtbs> I am running version 1.8.6 but there aren't enough players on the server!!
20120216 08:30:18< shadowm> okay
20120216 08:31:29< shadowm> so, why 1.8.6?
20120216 08:32:06< swrnjtbs> will I get more players on 1.8.5 version?
20120216 08:32:21< shadowm> all 1.8.x versions use the same instance for 1.8
20120216 08:32:33< swrnjtbs> okay!
20120216 08:32:36< shadowm> the thing is, 1.10 was released a few weeks ago and 1.8 won't receive more updates
20120216 08:33:47< shadowm> also, it's early morning in the americas and part of europe
20120216 08:34:04< swrnjtbs> I update via Ubuntu repositories!
20120216 08:34:29< swrnjtbs> yeah! right.. most players are from Americas and Europe! :)
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20120216 09:44:25< Ivanovic> moin
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20120216 10:04:34< enchilado> moin
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20120216 13:22:02< faryshta> Espreon, hi dude.
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20120216 13:35:53< faryshta> Are the SX add on maintainer online?
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20120216 13:48:41< vultraz> faryshta: I don't think they come on IRC
20120216 13:52:07< faryshta> vultraz, thanks. I can't find them on the new multiplayer server either.
20120216 13:54:55< vultraz> faryshta: if you found a bug you should probably post it on the SX forum thread
20120216 13:55:33< faryshta> vultraz, I want to volunteer to migrate the add ons to 1.10
20120216 14:09:40< vultraz> faryshta: you could just start...
20120216 14:10:11< faryshta> vultraz, I don't know if they have any advance, bug list or something.
20120216 14:10:28< faryshta> vultraz,  I don't want to re invent the wheel.
20120216 14:10:34< vultraz> ;)
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20120216 22:19:47< Heyub> Hello, I have come with another question about custom campaigns...  I am trying to set up an event that when a player steps into an enemies line of sight it is triggered.  I have read that the sighted event will not work for this, is there another way?
20120216 22:27:04< zookeeper> you might want to look at the ON_SIGHTING macro in core/macros/event-utils.cfg
20120216 22:27:50< zookeeper> or if it can only happen on moveto, you can create such a moveto event filter
20120216 22:30:33< zookeeper> the latter only if there's fog/shroud, since naturally otherwise all units are always visible
20120216 22:32:11< zookeeper> well, i suppose ON_SIGHTING too only makes sense if there's fog/shroud
20120216 22:32:30< Heyub> Yeah there is fog/shroud for both sides.
20120216 22:32:57< zookeeper> in that case, something like this probably works: [event] name=moveto [filter] side=1 [filter_vision] side=2 [/filter_vision] [/filter]
20120216 22:33:27< zookeeper> correction: [event] name=moveto [filter] side=1 [filter_vision] viewing_side=2 [/filter_vision] [/filter]
20120216 22:33:46< Heyub> Thanks! I'll try it
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20120216 22:38:00< Heyub> It works, thanks zookeeper :)
20120216 22:38:17< zookeeper> great
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