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20120221 04:57:46< Natasiel> anyway to get the x and y coordinates of a talking unit in [message]?
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20120221 05:30:38< El_Caballero> Wesnoth 1.10 is great :). Excelent upgrade!
20120221 05:30:43< El_Caballero> Congrats!
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20120221 08:59:11< dimusik> Hello! Is it possible to disable autorefreshing in lobby?
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20120221 09:31:22< dimusik> Hello! Is it possible to disable autorefreshing in lobby?
20120221 09:32:23< vultraz> hum...
20120221 09:32:27< Cookkiieeee> Well no the lobby is basically a chat to arrange games. 
20120221 09:32:28< vultraz> I'm not sure
20120221 09:33:37< Cookkiieeee> In regards to staying in a ended game and then returning to lobby several hrs later. Basically should just quit an relogin to avoid refreshing it 
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20120221 09:36:58< dimusik> I think, you didn't understand me
20120221 09:38:10< Cookiee> stopping the lobby from reloading?
20120221 09:38:17< Cookiee> with the chat?
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20120221 09:39:30< dimusik> I have a problem: I see a big list of available games, but when I try to scroll down the list of games. 
20120221 09:40:26< dimusik> I haven't time to look at games, because list of games automatically is scrolled up
20120221 09:41:58< mystic_x> try changing the lobby interface. You can do that in Preferences -> then Multiplayer tab
20120221 09:42:42< Cookiee> no how can you stop it from moving if people are making more games.
20120221 09:42:46< Cookiee> mystic_x: .... D:
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20120221 09:45:33< dimusik> Cookiee: maybe current view of games (list of games that I can see in window) should be fixed on first visible in window game?
20120221 09:45:53< Cookiee> well the other lobby interface has a filter option
20120221 09:45:59< Cookiee> you may be able to use that 
20120221 09:46:23< Cookiee> well they should both have it just apply filter and click vacant slots
20120221 09:46:25< dimusik> filter options are very poor
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20120221 09:48:09< dimusik> Sometimes I want observe some game, but such game usually at the end of list of games 
20120221 09:49:53< Cookiee> well unapply filter whent that time comes. I generally think its impossible to stop the movement of the list of games going up because people are making new games. disconnecting net would work but that would stop the entire connection to server (Y_
20120221 09:51:00< Cookiee> your best choice is to apply filter or not. 
20120221 09:51:24< Cookiee> or to tell everyone to stop hosting and i doubt that choice will occur. 
20120221 10:00:14< zookeeper> wait, what, the games list still loses your current scroll location when the list updates?
20120221 10:00:18< zookeeper> ...
20120221 10:00:40< zookeeper> i've assumed that must have gotten fixed ages ago because it was such a horribly annoying bug
20120221 10:00:52< Cookiee> well i havent noticed it xD
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20120221 10:14:15< Ivanovic> moin
20120221 10:14:22< enchilado> moin
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20120221 16:52:09< dsdeiz> hey, i'm trying to a watch a game between two ai. is it possible that the map doesn't move where the active unit is?
20120221 16:53:20< zookeeper> maybe you have the "show AI moves" option off? most people do, i'd imagine.
20120221 16:53:50< dsdeiz> where do i find this option?
20120221 16:53:54< dsdeiz> from the main menu?
20120221 16:54:54< Crendgrim> dsdeiz: do you have the problem that you don't see the AI moves, or that the map always scrolls?
20120221 16:54:56< dsdeiz> ah got it now
20120221 16:55:02< dsdeiz> yep it was the scroll option
20120221 16:55:20< dsdeiz> is it possible to toggle it when the game starts?
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20120221 17:30:36< Gambit> Is the multiplayer server down?
20120221 17:30:57< Gambit> Nevermind.
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20120221 18:12:08< dsdeiz> on a multiplayer lan vs ai do i have to go through campaign in order to recall higher lvl units?
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20120221 18:14:41< zookeeper> yes, you cannot recall units unless there was a preceding scenario, and you can have preceding scenarios only in a campaign
20120221 18:14:41< loonycyborg> dsdeiz: There's an era that allows you to recruit high level units.
20120221 18:16:11< dsdeiz> oh cool thx
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20120221 18:37:57< mindcat> hello?
20120221 18:38:49< Espreon> mindcat: Yes?
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20120221 19:29:40< Mavie> Hallo
20120221 19:31:26< shadowm_laptop> hi
20120221 19:33:58< Espreon> 'Ello there
20120221 19:34:40< aber> hej
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20120221 19:53:39< Mavie> spielt hier einer_
20120221 19:54:11< Mavie> kann hier einer Deutsch_
20120221 19:54:16< Crendgrim> Mavie: dieser Channel ist englisch
20120221 19:54:21< Crendgrim> Mavie: versuchs mal in #wesnoth-de :)
20120221 19:54:39< Mavie> ok srooz
20120221 19:54:39< Crendgrim> Mavie: auch wenn ich fürchte, dass da hauptsächlich Entwickler sind
20120221 19:54:44< Mavie> srooy
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20120221 19:55:38< Mavie> Wie komm ich yu wesnoth-de ?
20120221 19:55:48< Crendgrim> /join #wesnoth-de
20120221 19:55:52< Mavie> ok
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20120221 20:13:27< aber> crimson_penguin, you do the mac packaging? Any thoughts on Gatekeeper and sandboxing?
20120221 20:15:39< crimson_penguin> ehhh, well a couple things; A, I haven't actually packaged a release in like a year, although I think it's still using my project/libraries
20120221 20:16:32< crimson_penguin> sandboxing of course is only necessary for the Mac App Store, although I do hope to put Wesnoth on there at some point, I just never seem to get around to it
20120221 20:16:52< crimson_penguin> Gatekeeper... I'm sort of on the fence about it
20120221 20:17:25< crimson_penguin> as is, it seems like maybe a good idea, but it may be a step in a bad direction
20120221 20:21:07< aber> it is a pitty, that it's now allowed to put gpl code inside the app store...
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20120221 20:27:54< crimson_penguin> why?
20120221 20:28:12< crimson_penguin> you do realize that the MAS is still non-DRM, right?
20120221 20:28:19< crimson_penguin> there's code signing, but that's not DRM
20120221 20:30:58< aber> Is their gpled software online and alive?
20120221 20:31:55< aber> but I guess the point is still valid, you are not allowed to distribute software frome the app store...
20120221 20:32:06< crimson_penguin> whose? I'm confused
20120221 20:32:45< crimson_penguin> I don't know, if there IS a problem, it's really a legal technicality, since it's not DRM on the app store, and you can still distribute the source outside of the app store
20120221 20:35:17< aber> but you are not allowed to put the app inside the app store, because it restricts the right to distribute that app...
20120221 20:35:55< crimson_penguin> a legal technicality
20120221 20:36:32< crimson_penguin> and Apple doesn't seem to actually care either, since they'll let you say "this is GPL", and any user can just distribute it however they want
20120221 20:38:16< shadowm> if there IS  a problem, I'd rather have us stay away from it, thank you very much
20120221 20:43:01< aber> Do you know open source software inside the store? Looks like they pulled OpenTTD, Hedgewars, VLC...
20120221 20:43:58< crimson_penguin> are you talking about MAS, or iOS App Store?
20120221 20:44:05< aber> MAS
20120221 20:44:12< crimson_penguin> VLC pulled itself from iOS, maybe from MAS as well
20120221 20:44:30< crimson_penguin> waaait a second; you said "not allowed" - did you mean "not allowed"
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20120221 20:45:28< aber> wait what? 
20120221 20:46:00< crimson_penguin> "it is a pitty, that it's now allowed to put gpl code inside the app store..."
20120221 20:46:11< crimson_penguin> errr, you said "now allowed"
20120221 20:46:17< crimson_penguin> I make this mistake allll the time
20120221 20:46:24< aber> ahh, ergh, not allowed...
20120221 20:46:40< crimson_penguin> so I thought you said the opposite basically
20120221 20:46:51< crimson_penguin> but uhhh, yeah - Frogatto is on both app stores, no problem there
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20120221 20:46:59< crimson_penguin> Lugaru as well
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20120221 20:50:45< aber> They might be able to distribute under a different license...
20120221 20:52:07< aber> at least not a single word about gpl inside the store...
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20120221 20:53:37< shadowm> Frogatto's engine is GPL, the data files are not, and furthermore, there are very few copyright holders and none of them care about license technicalities.
20120221 20:53:46< shadowm> The same does not apply to Wesnoth.
20120221 20:54:54< aber> That might be the point...
20120221 21:02:00< Gambit> As long as we can pull it at any time, and there's no money involved, I don't see the problem.
20120221 21:02:27< Gambit> Nobody's rights are actually being infringed upon.
20120221 21:05:48< aber> not really, but you can construct something which should be possible and is not possible...
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20120221 21:17:56< gr0bi> good evening,
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20120221 22:33:48< dpierce> anyone know where i might be able to obtain the sources to the droid port?
20120221 22:35:20< dpierce> is the github repo the "official" source channel for the port?
20120221 22:37:32< shadowm> if you mean https://github.com/cjhopman/Battle-for-Wesnoth-on-Android then yes
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20120221 22:44:37< dpierce> shadowm: yup. that would be it.
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