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20120225 10:23:55< Ivanovic> moin
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20120225 12:18:49< felher> Hey folks. Maybe someone here knows that: Can i be that on hardest difficulty in the "The Rise Of Wesnoth", Lady Outlaw isn't coming back in the fourth scenario if killed in the third? Because i her i-can't-die-ability in the third scenario and she isn't here at the start of the fourth.
20120225 12:18:59< felher> Do i have to replay the third scenario without getting her killed?
20120225 12:19:23< felher> +used
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20120225 12:34:14< P_B> Hello. Should I get wesnoth 1.8 from my OS distros or 1.10 from the site? (Which has more downloadable campaigns and the like)
20120225 12:34:22< P_B> er
20120225 12:34:24< P_B> repos*
20120225 12:40:32< Crendgrim> P_B: if you can compile on yourself, use 1.10. While there are more add-ons for 1.8 still, that version isn't officially supported anymore.
20120225 12:40:45< Crendgrim> also, it's much better than the old version
20120225 12:41:32< P_B> Thanks, Crendgrim. In the interest of preserving a day of so-far total mental laziness, can you tell me why it's better? :P
20120225 12:42:32< Crendgrim> more stable, much (!) improved graphics, a totally new gameplay feature (called the "whiteboard") which allows you to plan multiple turns ahead
20120225 12:42:57< P_B> nifty. Okay, I'll give it a whirl. Thanks
20120225 12:43:10< Crendgrim> ah, and a very, very much enhanced WML / Lua engine (those are the things in which add-ons are coded), so add-ons can be even more awesome
20120225 12:44:13< Crendgrim> and of course a lot of minor improvements everywhere
20120225 12:44:26< P_B> I've noticed Lua has been becoming increasingly popular for game engine scripting since ~1005
20120225 12:44:27< P_B> er
20120225 12:44:28< P_B> 2005*
20120225 12:44:31< P_B> I like that.
20120225 12:44:41< Crendgrim> yes
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20120225 12:45:04< Crendgrim> it's great to have an easy language which you can use at multiple games
20120225 12:45:23< P_B> yeah
20120225 12:46:22< P_B> I remember games >10 years old, which all had some unique and absurd scripting language
20120225 12:50:24< P_B> oh goody. Someone backported it already. That was nice.
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20120225 12:52:04< P_B> It's never this easy. Obviously a trap.
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20120225 12:52:44< Crendgrim> hehe ;)
20120225 12:54:07< P_B> I first tried wesnoth when I was forced to use a slax livecd as a temporary stopgap after one of my hard drives crapped itself. I was mightily impressed
20120225 12:54:48< P_B> it's a lot more complete than one generally expects from a linux game
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20120225 12:57:52< Crendgrim> sadly that's true ... (sad for other games, of course)
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20120225 13:00:26< P_B> I wonder what it would take to get something serious going. Like, would $10 million of funding for OpenGL development do it?
20120225 13:02:04< Crendgrim> open source is a weird thing. I don't think that high funds will do much good, as the developers which would get hired with that money would not feel like contributing to an open source project because they like to. And this might result in bad maintained projects. Well, ... might.
20120225 13:05:23< P_B> You're probably right about that. My thought train was they used to release games that would let you switch between rendering engines, (UT2k3 did I think, and had a linux version too) That'd be unthinkable for any game that looks half decent these days. That's a shame.
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20120225 17:08:52< Gambit> Tell me, where is Espreon? For I much desire to speak with him.
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20120225 17:10:32< Gambit> wesbot: seen Espreon?
20120225 17:10:32< wesbot> Gambit: The person with the nick Espreon last spoke 17h 11m ago.  14h 51m ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth-de, #wesnoth-dev and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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20120225 17:22:38< Crendgrim> Gambit: hehe :)
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20120225 17:26:38< Gambit> Hmmm...
20120225 17:26:55< Gambit> janebot needs to better handle these "Tried to start a pipe named X, but one already exists" errors...
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20120225 18:30:06< Gambit> Espreon: !
20120225 18:30:08< Gambit> What do? 521836
20120225 18:30:10< Gambit> err
20120225 18:30:17< Gambit> http://r.wesnoth.org/p521836
20120225 18:31:10< Espreon> Gambit: Either put "translate=true" in your pbl or put the proper stuff in your source tree.
20120225 18:32:37< Gambit> Hm?
20120225 18:32:57< Espreon> Hmmm? Hmmm what?
20120225 18:35:26< Gambit> so if I put "translate=true" in my pbl file, the game will make a .po file for me?
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20120225 18:36:24< Espreon> No. It will mark it as eligible to be sent to WesCamp. It will go to WesCamp, I'll make the po files, and they will be accessible through gettext.wesnoth.org
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20120225 18:47:01< Espreon> Gambit: Got it?
20120225 18:48:48< Gambit> Yes
20120225 18:49:00< Gambit> Thank you.
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20120225 18:49:23< Espreon> Gambit: No prob!
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20120225 19:25:34< Lukc> shadowm, it the storyboard of AtS E3 published somewhere? (even if it’s only a work-in-progress)
20120225 19:25:52< Lukc> If it’s allowed to ask, of course.
20120225 19:27:31< shadowm> No, it isn't published nor complete.
20120225 19:30:33< Lukc> ’k. :(
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20120225 19:45:48< Kyshtynbai> Hi everyone. I'm running ubuntu 10.04 and I want to install new 1.10 wesnoth game. apt-get install wesnoth return "you have the newest version installed". And I have 1.6 version installed. How do I install the latest version?
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20120225 19:46:22< Lukc> I think 1.8 debs are available on the web, but to have 1.10 you’ll need to compile.
20120225 19:48:30< Kyshtynbai> I see. I've already downloaded the sources, but compiler returns some errors, I think i have to install some libraries or something. It's a shame that there aren't specific ppa for ubuntu :(.
20120225 19:48:51< Lukc> apt-get build-dep or something should get you most of the required dependencies.
20120225 19:49:06< Lukc> However, 10.04 is old. Not sure it’ll be enough.
20120225 19:49:09< Gambit> There is this: https://launchpad.net/~rhonda/+archive/wesnoth-devel
20120225 19:49:14< Gambit> It has 1.9.14 for now
20120225 19:49:19< Kyshtynbai> Thanks Ill try it/
20120225 19:49:21< Gambit> Which is compatible with 1.10
20120225 19:49:32< Gambit> Soon it will have 1.11.0 though.
20120225 19:49:54< Gambit> Perhaps Ubuntu backports or something?
20120225 20:00:13< CherryDelight> https://launchpad.net/~vincent-c/+archive/wesnoth
20120225 20:00:33< CherryDelight> ^ has Wesnoth 1.10 stable compiled in .deb for Lucid. ;)
20120225 20:10:20< Kyshtynbai> Oh that's great, I'm going to try it now, thanks!
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20120225 20:31:34< Rhonda> Gambit: ubuntu backporters are waiting for some feedback on whether it builds and works.
20120225 20:31:48< Rhonda> I have requested the backport of wesnoth 1.10 already, though
20120225 20:33:06< Rhonda> Gambit, Lukc: This is the bugreport that needs feedback to make it happen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lucid-backports/+bug/932011
20120225 20:45:44< Lukc> Rhonda, feedback? I’m not even using Ubuntu.
20120225 20:46:01< Lukc> Well, of course I have relatives who do, but…
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20120225 20:58:27< Rhonda> ah, ah, thought you were the one who asked
20120225 20:58:49< Rhonda> 10.04 isn't that old, it is the current supported LTS release
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20120225 21:04:33< Lukc> I thought the “LT” part meant it was old.
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20120225 21:14:35< shadowm> LTS = Long-Term Support
20120225 21:17:02< CherryDelight> Only two more months until the next LTS == 10.04 is /kind of/ old now.
20120225 21:18:14< CherryDelight> (although official support is still running through into next year, *shrug*)
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20120225 21:24:28< Lukc> shadowm, yep, and I thought “long-term” meant “can grow old”, which, now that there has been a lot of new releases, would suggest is *has* grown old.
20120225 21:24:43< Lukc> (*get old?)
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20120225 21:38:58< JackBauer24> Wesnoth has got such a low performance because of using SDL?
20120225 21:39:08< JackBauer24> It runs super slow on old PCs
20120225 21:39:34< Gambit> JackBauer24: Tried disabling animated terrains?
20120225 21:39:53< Gambit> And perhaps other things too.
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20120225 21:40:26< JackBauer24> I can't test it now, because it wasn't my PC, but I'm pretty sure I disabled all of the effects + I set the lowest resolution
20120225 21:41:12< JackBauer24> Wesnoth seems to be pretty heavy for a game with 2D and low resolution graphics
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20120225 21:48:36< Lukc> JackBauer24, could you define “old PCs”? (or at least “old”, which is very vague, as we were saying a little sooner…)
20120225 21:49:06< elias> basically wesnoth is limited to a single core. no GPU, no extra cores.
20120225 21:49:24< elias> so for "very old" PCs that should be an advantage
20120225 21:49:38< elias> since those only had one core and a really slow GPU
20120225 21:49:43< zookeeper> and yes, wesnoth is very heavy.
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20120225 21:52:31< zookeeper> considering the simplicity of what you see on-screen, wesnoth's performance is abysmal. we know. patches welcome.
20120225 21:52:45< JackBauer24> Lukc: I think the video card was GeForce 2
20120225 21:52:52< JackBauer24> CPU was pretty descent
20120225 21:53:19< JackBauer24> the problem was definetly a video card
20120225 21:53:33< shadowm> I have said it before and I'll say it again: we have pretty much run out of render optimizations at this point.
20120225 21:53:51< JackBauer24> I've read somewhere it's because of low SDL performance
20120225 21:53:58< JackBauer24> and OpenGL would be a better choice
20120225 21:54:02< JackBauer24> I don't know if it's true
20120225 21:54:20< elias> it just would mean a major rewrite of the rendering
20120225 21:54:21< shadowm> Partially.
20120225 21:54:32< Lukc> I’d say it would be too easy to put everything on the back of a library.
20120225 21:54:43< elias> but even a 5 year old GPU could easily draw 1 few 100 bitmaps at 60 FPS
20120225 21:54:59< elias> -1 +a
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20120225 23:09:47< MadMerlin> hmm, seems like planning mode doesn't work if you load an mp saved game
20120225 23:10:00< MadMerlin> it doesn't toggle anymore
20120225 23:14:44< fendrin> MadMerlin: Please fill a bug report at bugs.wesnoth.org
20120225 23:19:04< MadMerlin> ah, after the first turn it works
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