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20120301 00:00:48< shadowm> that and campaignd, which shouldn't preprocess its config file for security reasons
20120301 00:03:16< shadowm> a replacement could split the config file and the add-ons list I guess
20120301 00:04:35< vultraz> shadowm: could you commit that? (the paste)
20120301 00:05:34< anonymissimus> finally you admitted that this weird forum account was you xD
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20120301 00:06:41< shadowm> I haven't admitted anything, and you don't really need that either given you have moderator powers.
20120301 00:07:53< shadowm> or that it's well known that my SF.net username is shikadilord as well, or that I'm credited in IftU and AtS as "Ignacio R. Morelle (shadowmaster/ShikadiLord)"
20120301 00:08:55< anonymissimus> but yeah, the pbl file tends to contain elements from other places of addons, not only teh version btu also description and title
20120301 00:09:01< anonymissimus> and the image
20120301 00:12:35< shadowm> vultraz: it's not urgent and I'll soon add an object target with a more immediate use
20120301 00:13:29< vultraz> mk
20120301 00:13:45< vultraz> I'll wait till then
20120301 00:24:52< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53338 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): addon/state: Move get_addon_tracking_info() and its support elements from manager_ui.cpp
20120301 00:24:59< shadowm> vultraz: ^
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20120301 00:41:36< vultraz> shadowm: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=erPyQVVv
20120301 00:45:12< shadowm> Espreon: If I write a new help section explaining add-ons management, would you edit it for grammar and style for me?
20120301 00:46:12< shadowm> I think it's just about time that happens, in order to explain some things like the soon-user-facing add-on status descriptions, and the long-time issue with the different types of add-ons and how they are used
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20120301 01:32:48< shadowm> http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r176/shadowm2006/screenshots/addon-state-tracking.png
20120301 01:35:31< vultraz> ooo
20120301 01:35:37< vultraz> :D
20120301 01:37:28< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53339 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
20120301 01:37:28< CIA-134> gui2/taddon_description: Display add-on status information in this dialog
20120301 01:37:28< CIA-134> The exact presentation isn't yet final, and the code isn't too elegant
20120301 01:37:28< CIA-134> either, but the way it is right now should be more or less easy for
20120301 01:37:28< CIA-134> translators to handle. The coloring is an experiment and it'll be
20120301 01:37:28< CIA-134> removed if people don't like it.
20120301 01:42:22< anonymissimus> vultraz: I feel compelled to show you as well my newest creation: http://imagebin.org/201461
20120301 01:43:03< anonymissimus> the only thing I don
20120301 01:43:21< vultraz> WOW
20120301 01:43:22< vultraz> O.O
20120301 01:43:24< vultraz> :D
20120301 01:43:47< anonymissimus> 't like about it is that the label over the column with -3 (offering 3) etc needs to have a certain length
20120301 01:44:21< anonymissimus> otherwise the label texts below are shown truncated
20120301 01:47:31< vultraz> shadowm: can you commit the XCode patch I pasted, or are you still gonna add more files?
20120301 01:50:41< shadowm> vultraz: eh, right. Did you update it for tracking.cpp ?
20120301 01:54:06< vultraz> um, where's that one. not in addons/
20120301 01:55:01< shadowm> there's no such directory anywhere
20120301 01:55:19< shadowm> my bad, tracking.cpp was the preliminary name; I committed it as state.cpp
20120301 01:56:07< vultraz> src/addons is what I meant
20120301 01:56:27< vultraz> and yeah, I did add state.cpp/hpp
20120301 01:56:29< shadowm> you mean src/addon
20120301 01:56:54< vultraz> that
20120301 01:57:02< anonymissimus> vultraz: I can do it for you
20120301 01:57:24< shadowm> I'm on it already
20120301 01:58:31< anonymissimus> ok then
20120301 01:58:45< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53340 /trunk/projectfiles/Xcode/Wesnoth.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Update Xcode project file (patch from vultraz)
20120301 01:59:18< vultraz> :) thanks
20120301 01:59:27< shadowm> np
20120301 02:02:27< shadowm> I'm amazed that GUI1 has no way to insert a combobox into a managed dialog
20120301 02:03:32< shadowm> although I imagine I could go and create an adequate class myself
20120301 02:04:12< CIA-134> anonymissimus * r53341 /trunk/projectfiles/VC9/wesnoth.vcproj: VC9 projectfile update
20120301 02:04:41< CIA-134> anonymissimus * r53342 /trunk/projectfiles/CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp: CB projectfile update
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20120301 02:06:15< shadowm> and GUI2 doesn't have comboboxes at all
20120301 02:08:04< shadowm> it shouldn't be that hard, really: just have a regular-looking button invoke a dialog with an adequate custom definition during event handling
20120301 02:08:40< vultraz> what's a combobox?
20120301 02:09:03< shadowm> I feel I have already explained the concept to you in particular before
20120301 02:09:17 * vultraz thinks
20120301 02:09:25< shadowm> ever set up a multiplayer game?
20120301 02:09:32< vultraz> yeah
20120301 02:09:36< shadowm> the era selection, the faction selection, the gender selection, and the player selection
20120301 02:09:42< shadowm> all of those are comboboxes
20120301 02:09:56< shadowm> furthermore, wikipedia exists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combo_box
20120301 02:10:08< vultraz> oh
20120301 02:10:10< vultraz> those
20120301 02:10:17< vultraz> always thought they were buttons
20120301 02:10:20< vultraz> regular*
20120301 02:10:30< shadowm> no, they are not
20120301 02:10:45< shadowm> the GUI1 gui::combo class inherits from gui::button, though
20120301 02:11:11< shadowm> so they are a particular case of GUI1 butons, but not standard GUI1 buttons
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20120301 02:32:43< shadowm> meh, I don't need to file a bug. Thankfully: http://bugzilla.libsdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1430
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20120301 05:17:09< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53343 /trunk/src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: 
20120301 05:17:09< CIA-134> addon/mg: Make it possible to switch add-ons list view modes without reconnecting
20120301 05:17:09< CIA-134> The function creating the GUI1 dialog components still needs to be
20120301 05:17:09< CIA-134> rerun, and the dialog recreated.
20120301 05:17:09< CIA-134> Eventually, it'd be nice to generalize this functionality to have
20120301 05:17:10< CIA-134> even more view modes (e.g. All, Upgradable only, Outdated only, Broken
20120301 05:17:11< CIA-134> only), but for now this little hack will do.
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20120301 07:55:40< fendrin> shadowm: Isn't the type of the addon still missing in your description box? Or do you not plan to add it?
20120301 07:57:00< shadowm> Right. I didn't add it at first because I'd have needed to move or replicate a function elsewhere.
20120301 07:57:24< shadowm> I guess I don't have that excuse now that the function in question is a public type member.
20120301 07:58:42< fendrin> shadowm: And the dependencies?
20120301 07:59:29< shadowm> that will require a separate dialog to present them in a useful fashion
20120301 07:59:59< fendrin> Ah, fine.
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20120301 08:02:02< shadowm> Ideally the full add-on description dialog should have three pages (handled by some kind of paging/tab-bar widget) so that dependencies and translations could be presented with more space.
20120301 08:02:30< shadowm> But there's no useful GUI2 widget implementing that functionality yet, and I'd rather not resort to ridiculous grid-swapping hacks.
20120301 08:03:34< fendrin> Sounds good. I hope on tab support in gui2 as well. Want to have several tabs in the campaign selection menu. We talked about that a little at the fosdem.
20120301 08:06:28< fendrin> shadowm: Maybe you want also integrate the information which version is on the addon server and which is installed.
20120301 08:07:21< shadowm> That is done already where applicable, hang on
20120301 08:08:08< shadowm> http://shadowm.rewound.net/f/addon-state-tracking-2.png
20120301 08:08:46< shadowm> yes, that string format needs some tweaking
20120301 08:09:53< vultraz> wow
20120301 08:09:55< vultraz> nice
20120301 08:09:57< vultraz> I
20120301 08:10:19< vultraz> 'm gonna try to compile on a linux machine 
20120301 08:10:41< vultraz> until this string disposal thingy gets sorted out
20120301 08:10:54< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53344 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/addon/description.cpp: gui2/taddon_description: Make add-on status strings less nonsensical
20120301 08:12:33< fendrin> shadowm: While you are on it, would you mind to introduce one or more new addon types? Like RPG Campaign and RPG Scenario for example.
20120301 08:13:29< shadowm> Add-on types are purely technical. Genres are not relevant for classification.
20120301 08:13:44< shadowm> Otherwise we might as well introduce a mechanism to let people set arbitrary tags on their add-ons.
20120301 08:14:45< shadowm> Okay, I accidentally forgot to delete the External Pbl Test add-on last night and it's already gotten about 67 downloads...
20120301 08:15:04< fendrin> Ah yes, I see. The classification is purely technical. Maybe a field called "Genre"?
20120301 08:15:40< fendrin> But I would not let the user write arbitrary stuff into it.
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20120301 08:15:54< shadowm> I don't feel like breaking the pbl syntax and server protocol until I hear more from mordante.
20120301 08:16:16< fendrin> Is that an answer on my request?
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20120301 08:16:47< shadowm> Well, I feel more inclined towards the tags thing in order to cover all possible needs with a single attribute.
20120301 08:17:06< fendrin> Agreed.
20120301 08:18:16< shadowm> Because at first we might have a game genre attribute, and then people could come up with more things like story genre (comedy, drama, etc.), what campaign the add-on is based/a sequel of, whether it's a futuristic/prehistoric campaign, blah
20120301 08:18:44< shadowm> then again, in practice the Description field can be used for this (it is even taken into account by the Filter textbox)
20120301 08:18:47< fendrin> :-)
20120301 08:19:36< fendrin> Well, I would like to have the tabs in the campaign dialog match the "Genre" attribute.
20120301 08:19:43< shadowm> for example, both AtS and DtS include "sequel" and "invasion from the unknown" somewhere in their descriptions
20120301 08:20:21< shadowm> right
20120301 08:20:27< fendrin> Mostly for separating away those campaigns that are not straight standard Wesnoth rule ones.  
20120301 08:21:01< fendrin> Thus a tab would show only campaigns that are not "strange" in some way.
20120301 08:21:52< fendrin> Campaigns like UtBS, DM, maybe LoW, perhaps more would be in other sections.
20120301 08:22:14< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53345 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/addon/description.cpp: gui2/taddon_description: Make the statuses for add-ons with pbl files easier to read as well
20120301 08:22:16< shadowm> http://shadowm.rewound.net/f/addon-state-tracking-3.png 
20120301 08:22:52< fendrin> shadowm: s/can be uptraded/upgradable
20120301 08:23:32< shadowm> I'll leave further refinements to Espreon. I dislike "upgradable", sounds like an artificial adjective.
20120301 08:24:19< shadowm> I know the enum member is ADDON_INSTALLED_UPGRADABLE, but I have more reservations about artificial words in user-facing contexts.
20120301 08:24:52< fendrin> shadowm: The problem with Espreon being the new lord of prose is that English words with French origin will die out throughout Wesnoth.
20120301 08:25:57< vultraz> :P
20120301 08:25:59< shadowm> s/prose/boring UI text/
20120301 08:26:20< shadowm> actual prose remains the territory of people with more words
20120301 08:26:29< fendrin> Lord of Boring UI Text, what a title.
20120301 08:27:06< vultraz> LOL. good one XD
20120301 08:27:42< fendrin> I hope Espreon will wear it with pride.
20120301 08:28:50< shadowm> the etymology of "campaign" overlaps with French
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20120301 08:29:18< shadowm> I'm sure that's not reason enough to suddenly break almost a whole decade of Wesnothian tradition
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20120301 08:41:47 * fendrin wonders if there is a Saxon word for campaign.
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20120301 08:43:52< fendrin> s/Saxon/Saxxon ?
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20120301 08:47:21< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53346 /trunk/src/addon/client.cpp: addon/client: Use the busy mouse cursor when unpacking an add-on
20120301 08:47:30< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53347 /trunk/src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: 
20120301 08:47:30< CIA-134> addon/mg: Use the busy mouse cursor during more expensive operations
20120301 08:47:30< CIA-134> The use of a scoped_ptr to manage the setters is really a convenience in
20120301 08:47:30< CIA-134> order to keep it exception-safe without having to create more scopes and
20120301 08:47:30< CIA-134> reindent code.
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20120301 08:49:01< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53348 /trunk/src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: addon/mg: Fix misplaced cursor setter reset past a dialog entry point
20120301 09:00:42< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53350 /trunk/src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: addon/mg: Use a different message when choosing the updates view when no add-ons are installed
20120301 09:00:52< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53349 /trunk/src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: addon/mg: Go back to the regular view when choosing to show updates only and no updates are available
20120301 09:02:26< shadowm> whatever dictionary KDevelop/katepart uses complains about "upgradable"
20120301 09:03:05< shadowm> and I didn't notice I slipped "upgradable" into the View Mode menu. meh.
20120301 09:06:27< Espreon> fendrin: Of course there is, but I can't just replace terms as I please.
20120301 09:07:59< Espreon> fendrin: Also, I would never take that title. Ever.
20120301 09:08:41< shadowm> too bad, I just changed it in the forums
20120301 09:08:42 * shadowm hides
20120301 09:08:48< fendrin> Espreon: What is the alternate word for campaign?
20120301 09:09:33< Espreon> Maybe "ferd", but IDK if the sense of "campaign" died over the years.
20120301 09:09:59< Espreon> shadowm: "upgradable" is fine.
20120301 09:10:03< shadowm> Espreon: I'm awaiting confirmation to implement code support in C++ and WML for the new help section
20120301 09:10:18< shadowm> (the C++ being just a stupid "Help" button)
20120301 09:10:51< Espreon> I see, I see.
20120301 09:10:54< shadowm> okay, I guess I'll go with "upgradable" for the sake of consistency
20120301 09:10:58< shadowm> Espreon: *your* confirmation
20120301 09:11:54< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53351 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/addon/description.cpp: gui2/taddon_description: "can be upgraded" -> "upgradable"
20120301 09:11:55< Espreon> Ugh...
20120301 09:12:36< Espreon> shadowm: What exactly do you want to do?>
20120301 09:13:32< shadowm> Espreon: see http://wesnoth.debian.net/%23wesnoth-dev-2012-03-01.log at 00:45
20120301 09:14:14< Espreon> shadowm: Sure.
20120301 09:14:21< shadowm> yay!
20120301 09:14:39< Espreon> You're at least semi-competent, so I won't end up blowing my brains out.
20120301 09:18:46< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53352 /trunk/src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: addon/mg: Indent the broken add-on dependencies report
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20120301 09:27:42< fendrin> http://imagebin.org/201487
20120301 09:27:55< fendrin> Maybe the terrain image should be more in the center.
20120301 09:28:21< Espreon> And what do the magick arrow buttons do?
20120301 09:28:39< shadowm> fendrin: you mean the one within the golden frame?
20120301 09:30:32< fendrin> Espreon: Scrolling again.
20120301 09:31:19< fendrin> shadowm: Sorry, can't see a golden frame in the picture.
20120301 09:31:33< shadowm> the gamemap mouse-over frame
20120301 09:31:47< fendrin> shadowm: Ah
20120301 09:32:00< shadowm> more specifically, the gamemap *hex* mouse-over frame
20120301 09:32:01< fendrin> No, I mean the group image.
20120301 09:32:23< fendrin> In this case the "all" icon. 
20120301 09:32:25< shadowm> I imagine it looks more centered when it's not pressed down.
20120301 09:32:58< fendrin> hmmm, I am talking about horizontal centering, not vertical.
20120301 09:33:58< vultraz> fendrin: can't it be centered between the Group button and the arrows?
20120301 09:34:04< shadowm> well, it does look off-center to me when comparing against the non-pressed down frame in an image preview app
20120301 09:35:03< fendrin> vultraz: Yes, that was the question.
20120301 09:35:11< shadowm> the pressed-down effect used in these image buttons goes in the opposite direction and is more prominent than normal GUI1 text buttons (GUI2 buttons don't apply that effect to their contents)
20120301 09:35:27< vultraz> fendrin: probably would look better
20120301 09:35:30< vultraz> OMHO
20120301 09:35:32< vultraz> IMHO*
20120301 09:36:20< fendrin> shadowm: So you prefer the not pressed one?
20120301 09:36:40< fendrin> shadowm: Or shall I just adjust the y-coordinate a little?
20120301 09:36:53< fendrin> vultraz: Yeah, I will try it.
20120301 09:37:26< shadowm> I think the non pressed frame is better, yes
20120301 09:37:35< fendrin> okay, that is an easy change :-)
20120301 09:43:16< fendrin> So, how is this: http://imagebin.org/201491
20120301 09:44:06< vultraz> very nice :D
20120301 09:44:24< shadowm> yeah, nice indeed
20120301 09:44:34< fendrin> :-)
20120301 09:45:16< fendrin> I have 2 possibilities to implement the arrow behavior:
20120301 09:45:36< fendrin> 1) Only scroll one column in left or right direction. 
20120301 09:46:05< fendrin> 2) Scroll the number of displayed columns.
20120301 09:46:40< fendrin> Any preferences?
20120301 09:46:49< shadowm> (1) is less likely to confuse users
20120301 09:47:06< fendrin> Agreed, while (2) saves many clicks.
20120301 09:47:24< shadowm> incidentally, when trying to figure out a way to disable the relevant scroll button(s) when the palette can't be scrolled in one or more directions (either because all items are visible, or the user has reached one of the category ends), I discovered that the category items layout is _not_ stable, so the items tend to get rearranged in order to fill as much space as possible, which has also managed to confuse me in several ...
20120301 09:47:30< shadowm> ... occassions.
20120301 09:48:01< shadowm> it's rather hard to explain and I'm not sure how to put it in more simple terms
20120301 09:48:09< fendrin> I did understood.
20120301 09:48:18< fendrin> ah
20120301 09:48:22< fendrin> I understood.
20120301 09:48:30< fendrin> Or I did understand.
20120301 09:48:57< fendrin> shadowm: I might be able to prevent that.
20120301 09:49:08< vultraz> shadowm: oh...is that why X terrain seems to move around in the list?
20120301 09:49:18< shadowm> vultraz: exactly
20120301 09:50:03< shadowm> since we were in feature freeze and I didn't feel like trying to figure out how the icon arrangement worked, I had to abandon the scroll buttons patch instead
20120301 09:53:55< fendrin> What about a pipette feature?
20120301 09:54:13< fendrin> The pipette tool can be used to select a terrain from the map.
20120301 09:54:42< vultraz> and make it the currently selected one?
20120301 09:55:14< fendrin> Yes, if possible. You can have terrains on the map that have no corresponding type in the palette.
20120301 09:55:33< fendrin> And that is exactly the most important use case.
20120301 09:55:49< vultraz> probably would be nice :)
20120301 09:56:20< vultraz> BTW, what tools besides Labels do you plan to add?
20120301 09:56:32< fendrin> [item] placement
20120301 09:56:39< fendrin> village ownership assignment
20120301 09:56:50< fendrin> [unit] placement
20120301 09:57:01< fendrin> [soundsource] placement
20120301 09:57:50< vultraz> :D
20120301 09:57:53< fendrin> And that is it. There is no more room for extra ones together with labels and pipette.
20120301 09:57:57< shadowm> fendrin: we already have a (probably undocumented/poorly visible) keyboard shortcut to pick a terrain from the map
20120301 09:58:02< vultraz> can't wait
20120301 09:58:10< shadowm> it's ctrl+primary click
20120301 09:58:35< shadowm> well, ctrl+some click (primary click for the primary terrain choice, and secondary click for the secondary terrain choice)
20120301 09:59:18< shadowm> both pick the currently selected base and overlay combination from the hex under the cursor, even if it isn't a default combination
20120301 10:00:01< fendrin> shadowm: How does it behave if the terrain is not in the palette? 
20120301 10:00:26< fendrin> The selection will not be displayed, right?
20120301 10:00:56< shadowm> well, for base+overlay combinations that aren't in the palette, yes, that's what happens
20120301 10:02:25< shadowm> I'm not quite sure what icon it chooses for the hex mouse over in that case, and it might as well be part of the more general terrain types implementation rather than the editor
20120301 10:02:58< shadowm> a random test with rubble on snow hills suggests it goes for the overlay's icon
20120301 10:03:24< fendrin> shadowm: Nice, that is exactly what I had in mind. Thus I need only to give it a tool icon.
20120301 10:03:40< fendrin> shadowm: I also tried with rubble + hills but without snow :-P
20120301 10:04:56< shadowm> snow hills seemed convenient since I had just checked out the random map generator and the general lack of a busy cursor setter for slow operations (create mask, apply mask, resize map, generate map, at least)
20120301 10:09:20< shadowm> huh, why am I seeing the null and editor themes in the preferences dialog...
20120301 10:09:21< fendrin> shadowm: Ah yes, please fill a feature request about the busy cursor.
20120301 10:11:20< shadowm> fendrin: why did r53297 revert the hidden=yes attributes in the editor and null themes?
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20120301 10:14:02< shadowm> editor, and _one_ of the null themes (nevermind the fact that we probably don't need more than one of those)
20120301 10:14:29< fendrin> shadowm: Oh, my mistake.
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20120301 10:22:59< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53353 /trunk/data/themes/ (6 files): themes: We only need one 'null' theme definition
20120301 10:23:06< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53354 /trunk/data/themes/editor.cfg: themes: Make editor theme hidden again
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20120301 16:04:43< timotei> Great... my python installation is broken..
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20120301 16:36:04< timotei> hmm, does anyone from here has access to sourceforget.net wesnoth project's admin page?
20120301 16:36:14< timotei> loonycyborg: ^
20120301 16:36:28< timotei> It seems that it doesn't display anything on the "Project admin" page.
20120301 16:36:33< timotei> And I've tried with 2 browsers
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20120301 16:41:41< elias> it doesn't list you as admin
20120301 16:41:49< elias> so how do you even get a link to the admin page?
20120301 16:42:41< loonycyborg> timotei: It doesn't for me either.
20120301 16:42:41< timotei> elias: hmm.. you're right
20120301 16:42:54< timotei> Ah, it was in files.
20120301 16:43:07< timotei> IDK why I knew it's on the admin stuff page to creat the folders/files :D
20120301 16:43:09< loonycyborg> Though I still can upload files etc
20120301 16:43:17< timotei> Yeah, my bad.
20120301 16:43:24< timotei> It seems the "add file"/"add folder" didn't loaded
20120301 16:43:33< elias> in my case on my own projects i have an admin link, on wesnoth i don't
20120301 16:44:08< timotei> elias: probably I have the link to admin (even though I am not) since I can upload stuff to the files category
20120301 16:44:30< elias> i see
20120301 16:46:48< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: btw aren't we supposed to set new 1.10 releases as default downloads now?
20120301 16:47:12< loonycyborg> It seems to be set to 1.10 instead of 1.10.1 for all platforms currently.
20120301 16:47:45< fendrin> hello
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20120301 16:54:41< fendrin> Are there anywhere empty images to be filled with content? I need an empty editor toolbar button to put a new icon in it.
20120301 17:19:44< vultraz> fendrin: can't find any, but I just made a blank brush image
20120301 17:21:08< fendrin> vultraz: Are you firm with the gimp or similar?
20120301 17:31:30< vultraz> fendrin: well, I know gimp basics, but I'm not a very good drawing anything other than basic stuff
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20120301 17:33:33< fendrin> vultraz: Too bad. I would have asked you to produce the final buttons for me. Where can I find the blank brush? Would be nice to have it in the native gimp format.
20120301 17:35:21< vultraz> .xcf?
20120301 17:35:27< fendrin> ja
20120301 17:39:31< CIA-134> loonycyborg * r53355 /trunk/src/language.cpp: 
20120301 17:39:31< CIA-134> Fix bug #8807
20120301 17:39:31< CIA-134> Set LANGUAGE instead of LANG on windows. LANGUAGE takes priority for
20120301 17:39:31< CIA-134> gettext and if it gets set by something outside of wesnoth it'll make
20120301 17:39:31< CIA-134> wesnoth's language selection dialog ineffectual.
20120301 17:46:12< vultraz> fendrin: DCC failed?
20120301 17:47:33< fendrin> vultraz: DCC?
20120301 17:47:59< vultraz> tired to file transfer the blank brush
20120301 17:48:16< fendrin> vultraz: Oh, I see. Never did file transfer via irc.
20120301 17:48:30< vultraz> yeah, always seems to fail :S
20120301 17:48:55< fendrin> vultraz: I am behind NAT.
20120301 17:49:28< vultraz> ah
20120301 17:49:49< vultraz> what's you forum nick; I'll PM it
20120301 17:50:17< fendrin> vultraz: It's "fabi".
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20120301 18:01:13< vultraz> fendrin: done
20120301 18:02:07< fendrin> vultraz: Dankeschön :-)
20120301 18:03:51< fendrin> vultraz: Hmm, you made an empty brush icon (I can use that as well) but I needed an empty tool icon.
20120301 18:07:49< vultraz> ok, I'll make that too
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20120301 19:02:43< shadowm> [6~[6~
20120301 19:02:57< shadowm> ugh
20120301 19:20:10< vultraz> fendrin?
20120301 19:25:44< shadowm> AI0867: I just realized that my add-ons list will not have the same geometry as other people's because I have the .pbl file for IftU, which has a long name
20120301 19:26:00< shadowm> the Publish and Delete entries have never been truncated like the rest for some reason
20120301 19:26:48< shadowm> most likely an oversight on part of whoever came up with the truncation idea in the first place
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20120301 19:49:04< timotei> Hmm, 1.10 uses port 15002 for the addons server?
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20120301 20:47:51< gabba> Hi all
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20120301 20:54:22< gabba> Does anybody know if the Desura version of Wesnoth lags behind official releases a lot
20120301 20:54:24< gabba> &
20120301 20:54:26< gabba> ?
20120301 20:54:45< shadowm> gabba: 
20120301 20:54:52< shadowm> er, Gambit:
20120301 20:56:16< Gambit> gabba: Not by much
20120301 20:56:30< Gambit> In fact, right now it's ahead
20120301 20:56:35< Gambit> Because 1.10.1 isn't announced yet.
20120301 20:56:37< gabba> Good :)
20120301 20:56:43< shadowm> Gambit: wrong
20120301 20:56:46< gabba> I'm a sucker for auto-updates
20120301 20:56:48< Gambit> Err... yeah.
20120301 20:56:54< Gambit> Okay it was ahead for a little while :P
20120301 20:57:07< Gambit> gabba: Unfortunately, still Windows only.
20120301 20:57:26< shadowm> it was announced on February 26th 12:32 pm UTC-03
20120301 20:57:29< gabba> Yeah, but under linux I do my own builds anyways
20120301 20:57:55< Gambit> I've statically linked as many libs as possible, but there are still plenty of dependencies remaining.
20120301 20:58:02< Gambit> That I guess I have to ship with the download.
20120301 20:58:08< Gambit> Which is... questionably legal.
20120301 20:58:30< Gambit> And even more questionable when it comes to efficiency.
20120301 20:58:44< shadowm> no, it isn't as long as the licenses permit it and you provide links to the original sources
20120301 20:58:50< shadowm> otherwise Debian etc. wouldn't exist
20120301 20:58:53< Gambit> Actually that's not questionable at all. It's massively inefficient.
20120301 20:59:19< gabba> Not efficient for you, but way easier for players
20120301 20:59:46< gabba> (more or less on linux because native distro packages are even easier, I guess)
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20120301 21:19:02< gabba> Hmm. The addons dialog in wesnoth lists campaigns that I already installed. Isn't his a regression, or something that was supposed to be fixed eons ago?
20120301 21:20:01< shadowm> it's always listed add-ons that are already installed
20120301 21:20:19< gabba> ok, wrong memories then
20120301 21:20:40< gabba> Still, it shouldn't, or should put a checkmark next to them or something
20120301 21:20:50< gabba> FR for the bugtracker I guess
20120301 21:21:26< shadowm> The add-ons manager is a big walking FR by itself.
20120301 21:21:39< gabba> lol
20120301 21:22:29< gabba> No point in adding another FR for it then, you think?
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20120301 21:22:51< shadowm> certainly not
20120301 21:24:59< gabba> It also needs a "Player Number" column for mp scenarios and campaigns... I'm looking for mp campaigns that work for two players, and checking every description is tedious.
20120301 21:25:32< shadowm> it cannot have any more columns, for one
20120301 21:25:54< gabba> Screen size limit?
20120301 21:26:13< shadowm> right now some information is inevitably dropped from the display view when the screen width is small enough (i.e. less than 1024)
20120301 21:26:30< shadowm> there's just no way to fit more columns with GUI1 since lists cannot be scrolled horizontally
20120301 21:26:58< gabba> It also needs to remember the filter after installing an addon
20120301 21:27:29< PolarPanda> ^
20120301 21:27:45< PolarPanda> That is the one thing I'd love to have.
20120301 21:28:04< gabba> especially since the filtering lags like hell when typing... no multi-thread here, apparently
20120301 21:30:54< gabba> Oh well. Since nobody is gonna want implement those, fortunately it has ok usability with the current number of addons.
20120301 21:31:30< gabba> If we ever have 10 times more it may become considerably more painful to sort through content
20120301 21:32:38< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53356 /trunk/src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: 
20120301 21:32:38< CIA-134> addon/mg: Track filter box contents during a single addons_manager_ui() run
20120301 21:32:38< CIA-134> This makes it possible to remember the filter box contents while
20120301 21:32:38< CIA-134> managing add-ons during the same add-ons client connection.
20120301 21:33:31< gabba> ahahaha
20120301 21:33:43< gabba> well played shadowmaster
20120301 21:34:10< gabba> and thanks ;)
20120301 21:35:16< shadowm> I need a fourth refactoring pass on the UI code in order to be able to implement more view modes (i.e. not installed only, server-outdated only), but there will be eventually
20120301 21:38:26< gabba> I wonder if an external app made in qt or something like that wouldn't be more suited for the addons browser, actually. In-game is nice, but having to implement every widget that's usually taken for granted must be a pain in the ass.
20120301 21:39:27< gabba> For instance about the columns, it's be nice to pick which ones you wanna display... doing this in qt with a context menu would be easy, with wesnoth GUI classes... I imagine suicide looks like a favorable alternative
20120301 21:40:31< gabba> GSoC project? :P (I'm just gonna hide now)
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20120301 21:48:20< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: yeah, we are supposed to set the 1.10.1 downloads as default
20120301 21:48:24< Ivanovic> i just forgot doing so
20120301 21:54:07< shadowm> gabba: by being in-game and available from the main menu, the add-ons manager (and add-ons in general) at least enjoys great visibility. If it were turned into an external application, users would be very likely to miss it.
20120301 21:54:28< shadowm> I remember missing the map editor at first because it was a separate application too.
20120301 21:55:30< gabba> shadowm: that's true - even though launching an external app from the addons in-game button might work as well, visibility-wise
20120301 21:57:54< shadowm> if we are to eventually be able to download add-on dependencies automatically from the MP lobby, we'll need that functionality built into the game proper either way
20120301 21:58:20< gabba> Didn't know that was planned - pretty cool
20120301 22:00:46< shadowm> of course it's unfortunate that the MP lobby itself (both the old lobby, and the new GSoC-produced lobby) isn't properly maintained
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20120301 22:40:20< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53357 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): gui2/taddon_connect: Remove Update Add-ons option, which is now a manager view instead
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