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20120303 00:12:50< CIA-134> ivanovic * r53385 /branches/1.10/ (9 files in 8 dirs): updated Galician translation
20120303 00:13:00< CIA-134> ivanovic * r53384 /trunk/po/ (7 files in 7 dirs): updated Galician translation
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20120303 00:16:10< CIA-134> elias * r53386 /trunk/data/tools/ (unit_tree/html_output.py wmlunits): [wmlunits] Ignore addon unit levels < 0 or > 5. Ignore addons with unhandled errors.
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20120303 00:31:21< Ivanovic> n8
20120303 00:36:12< anonymissimus> elias: has that tool ever been run on windows ? is it good for syntax check or so ?
20120303 00:36:34 * anonymissimus runs it and reports xxxxx win only errors to you
20120303 00:37:04< elias> it's supposed to generate units.wesnoth.org when run on the wesnoth.org server, nothing else
20120303 00:37:33< elias> but yeah, in theory you could get it to work on windows
20120303 00:38:02< elias> but it's really only part of a bash script on the server
20120303 00:40:49< anonymissimus> and you try including the units from addons on the addons server now ?
20120303 00:47:34< loonycyborg> shadowm: I think I know how it escaped. It was thrown from connection::cancel().
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20120303 00:48:43< loonycyborg> All other asio errors would come from connection::poll which converts them from system_errors to network_asio::errors
20120303 00:49:11< elias> anonymissimus: yeah, it already includes some of them, click on "Campaigns" or "Eras" on the left
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20120303 00:49:58< elias> the idea is that for the ones where it doesn't work, you could view the error log
20120303 00:50:30< elias> so just in case the problem is not the script but a mistake in the addon, the author could fix it if they ever happen to go to units.wesnoth.org and discover it there
20120303 00:57:01< shadowm> loonycyborg: so that means you must fix that :p
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20120303 01:11:39< anonymissimus> elias: eh I think I've spotted a bug
20120303 01:12:08< anonymissimus> if a custom unit has advances_to=some_core_unit that some_core_unit is shown among the campaign's units as well
20120303 01:12:58< anonymissimus> look at the last two lines: http://units.wesnoth.org/1.10/The_Earths_Gut/en_US/the_earths_gut.html
20120303 01:13:07< anonymissimus> I dont have a death knight
20120303 01:13:39< anonymissimus> I also dont have wose+
20120303 01:15:20< elias> anonymissimus: yes, that's fixed already
20120303 01:15:24< anonymissimus> and the advance_from in the troll fire wizard and troll boulderlobber also isn't recognized; they ascend from troll shaman respectively rocklobber
20120303 01:16:07< elias> hm, may have to look into that
20120303 01:18:12< anonymissimus> i need to put that key there; I have some dummy units which are duplicates and shouldn't appear
20120303 01:20:58< anonymissimus> for my other addon it only recognizes one of the units http://units.wesnoth.org/1.10/Settlers_of_Wesnoth/en_US/era_sow.html
20120303 01:21:50< elias> yeah, next version with the error logging might give me some clues as to why
20120303 01:22:03< elias> it should be done generating in about 45 minutes
20120303 01:23:27< anonymissimus> since I'm doind some funny things with base_unit, advances_to and advances_from there's some good test cases in my addons I guess
20120303 01:23:59< anonymissimus> no idea what makes that leader unit special
20120303 01:24:59< elias> looks like the new version has more units for settlers of wesnoth
20120303 01:27:03< elias> but it will only copy it over once it's done parsing about 250 addons
20120303 01:28:49< elias> and each one amounts to restarting a completely un-cached wesnoth instance
20120303 01:29:56< elias> i can speed it up a lot because I know which addons had updated, but right now i always need to regenerate everything due to fixed bugs
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20120303 07:28:10< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53387 /trunk/ (changelog data/core/help.cfg): help: Fix untranslatable string (19520), and alter the first sentence for clarity
20120303 07:29:00< shadowm> Ivanovic: should this be backported to 1.10? (https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19520)
20120303 07:29:11< shadowm> and yes, I know I derped the commit message
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20120303 08:26:15< Ivanovic> shadowm: since the string is already there but just can't be translated: yeah, it should be ported
20120303 08:27:35< Ivanovic> moin
20120303 08:28:11< vultraz> hey
20120303 08:31:59< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53388 /branches/1.10/ (changelog data/core/help.cfg): help: Fix untranslatable string (bug #19520), and alter the first sentence for clarity
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20120303 09:04:34< vultraz> hey crend
20120303 09:07:55< vultraz> Crendgrim: did the patch work?
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20120303 11:16:04< Crendgrim> vultraz: oh, right, I totally forgot about that :(
20120303 11:16:39< Crendgrim> vultraz: I still need to create some testcase for that patch... my problem won't be solved by it IIUC
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20120303 12:32:20< vultraz> Crendgrim: mk. (What's your problem, BTW?)
20120303 12:47:55< Crendgrim> vultraz: something about image not fitting on canvas.. I don't recall exactly
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20120303 12:54:21< vultraz> ah
20120303 12:54:24< vultraz> anyway
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20120303 14:57:28< timotei> loonycyborg: isn't possible to let scons get a string variable?
20120303 14:57:35< timotei> I see there are just Bool, List, Enum or package variable
20120303 14:57:36< timotei> s
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20120303 14:59:00< timotei> loonycyborg: for example, I want to get a password from the user.
20120303 14:59:10< timotei> Should I use python's argv thingys instead?
20120303 14:59:15< timotei> thingies*
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20120303 15:36:25< CIA-134> alarantalara * r53389 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/08_Out_of_the_Frying_Pan.cfg: Apply some of the code cleanup done in Eftboren to Under the Burning Suns
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20120303 15:55:12< CIA-134> alarantalara * r53390 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/12_The_Final_Confrontation.cfg: use simpler helper finding code from Eftboren in FInal Confrontation
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20120303 16:03:43< loonycyborg> timotei: They're strings by default.
20120303 16:04:31< loonycyborg> That is you just need to provide a tuple instead of FooVariable.
20120303 16:04:33< timotei> loonybot: solved that by using a PathVariable with PathAccept
20120303 16:04:36< loonybot> error: 'solved' does not name a type
20120303 16:04:44< timotei> loonycyborg: ^
20120303 16:06:41< loonycyborg> Understood, but see wesnoth's sconstruct. e.g. 'server_gid'
20120303 16:07:21< timotei> Yep, there's where I've got the idea :)
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20120303 16:10:22< CIA-134> timotei * r53391 /website/eclipse.wesnoth.org/updates/ (67 files in 4 dirs): Add the binaries for version 2.0.0
20120303 16:10:56< timotei> Hmm, interesting. 8 Downloads for 2 files I hadn't "published"!?
20120303 16:11:00< timotei> https://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/wesnoth-umcplugin/2.0.0/
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20120303 16:18:23< CIA-134> alarantalara * r53392 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/11_Battle_for_Zocthanol_Isle.cfg: apply code cleanup from Eftboren to Battle for Zocthanol Isle
20120303 16:19:52< DarkDefender> anonymissimus: is it really wise to have -march=native as a default option in the codeblocks workspace file? I think it should be something the user would add if he really wanted to and knew what the consequences were.
20120303 16:20:53< DarkDefender> It wasn't obvious were that flag were either for me. So it took a while to find it so I could delete it.
20120303 16:32:31< anonymissimus> AI0867: , Espreon : why would a certain addon not appear under http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/ ? (SoW still doesn't even though AI0867 said there were no errors)
20120303 16:33:07< anonymissimus> AI0867: , Espreon : I found a .po under https://github.com/wescamp/Settlers_of_Wesnoth-1.10/blob/3f101a08b7b1f39cdb5d28899bbb722092421944/po/de.po though
20120303 16:34:24< anonymissimus> DarkDefender: I have absolutely no idea what the flag does; it was there when I dealt with the file first
20120303 16:34:47< Ivanovic> Soliton, loonycyborg: do you know what server/jmsmtp/*  is used for?
20120303 16:35:04< Ivanovic> the reason for my question: this code seems to be gplv2 *only*
20120303 16:35:19< Ivanovic> while eg the manpages state that wesnoth is gplv2 "or later"
20120303 16:35:45< Ivanovic> cf http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GermanTranslationErrors#Generelles
20120303 16:35:48< Ivanovic> (in german)
20120303 16:36:10< DarkDefender> anonymissimus: it makes gcc use the insturction set of the host computer. So if you compile it on a new CPU it wont run on older ones.
20120303 16:36:44< DarkDefender> it's a gcc flag that you only should use if you are 100% sure that you will only run the binary on your own computer
20120303 16:36:45< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: I only know that it sends mail, don't know what for. 
20120303 16:37:01< Ivanovic> is it (still) used?
20120303 16:37:11< anonymissimus> DarkDefender: well I can see andcould change it for the wesnoth and wesnothd projectfiles should need be
20120303 16:37:24< anonymissimus> DarkDefender: ok well but that's the case
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20120303 16:37:50< anonymissimus> that type of build is never used to build releases
20120303 16:38:07< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: No idea.
20120303 16:38:29< DarkDefender> anonymissimus: But then you can only test it on your computer... No sharing.
20120303 16:38:32< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: who might know? soliton?
20120303 16:38:57< loonycyborg> iirc baufo added it. Or soliton
20120303 16:39:05< anonymissimus> DarkDefender: unless there is some problem with some option I don't change something about it, alright ? ;)
20120303 16:39:05 * loonycyborg looks at git log
20120303 16:39:50< anonymissimus> DarkDefender: well, apparently nobody using the built system wanted to share it so far
20120303 16:40:02< DarkDefender> anonymissimus: I think there quite a big problem with compiler flags that will make binary sharing impossible.
20120303 16:41:08< anonymissimus> DarkDefender: that built system is only used by me as a second compiler instance for finding compiler errors/warnings MSVC doesn't catch and by a few other patch contributors for the same purpose
20120303 16:41:22< DarkDefender> and it's not in the usual codeblocks compile flags "tick box" so if you want to change it you'll have to know what you are looking for
20120303 16:41:39< anonymissimus> and for compiling binaries I use when coding wml or lua and for playing
20120303 16:42:24< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: Eh? I can't find it anymore..
20120303 16:42:26< anonymissimus> it is in other options; most of the stuff which is there I added (and thus know)
20120303 16:42:50< DarkDefender> ok fine.
20120303 16:43:12< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: hmm, why is the folder still left?
20120303 16:43:31< loonycyborg> It isn't for me.
20120303 16:44:14< anonymissimus> the point is anyway to share the built system, not the binary...
20120303 16:44:16< Ivanovic> the folder is there but its empty and not referenced
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20120303 16:44:44< loonycyborg> Then remove it. iirc git doesn't track dirs.
20120303 16:45:15< loonycyborg> That would explain why git-svn doesn't see it
20120303 16:45:40< Ivanovic> i am currently updating our sf.net profile
20120303 16:45:57< Ivanovic> adding translations (those with at least 80% completed) and modifying the description, stuff like this
20120303 16:46:07< Ivanovic> already added lua as programming language in addition to c++
20120303 16:46:37< vultraz> hum... updated to os x 10.7.3, and now the XCode build crash error seems a bit different
20120303 16:46:41< vultraz> 6   libstdc++.6.dylib             	0x9c521bab std::string::assign(std::string const&) + 105
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20120303 16:48:35< DarkDefender> anonymissimus: Still, I don't think it's good for new users. I only knew what to change because I have worked with gcc before. If you really don't want to change it, at least add note in the codeblocks build instructions (README file) about this compiler flag 
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20120303 16:50:06< DarkDefender> the crash message when the instruction set doesn't match doesn't really say much either so I was quite lucky to figure out what the problem was
20120303 16:51:15< Ivanovic> what do you think, should i also list all those languages that have less than 80% completed?
20120303 16:57:55< Ivanovic> btw wesnoth is in the list of possible "project of the month" at sourceforge
20120303 16:58:02< Ivanovic> project of the month april that is
20120303 16:59:50< CIA-134> anonymissimus * r53393 /trunk/projectfiles/CodeBlocks/README.txt: add a note to README about -march=native
20120303 16:59:59< DarkDefender> thanks :)
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20120303 17:22:06< Ivanovic> okay, significantly updated the sf.net project listing for wesnoth: https://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/
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20120303 17:24:27< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: i updated the associated default files, too, but either some caches are joking with me or sf.net waits a while before running an update
20120303 17:26:48< loonycyborg> kk
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20120303 17:36:36< elias> anonymissimus: settlers of wesnoth defines no WML factions, don't think I can do anything about that
20120303 17:37:43< elias> not without rewriting the logic which groups all units by their faction at least
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20120303 17:44:41< anonymissimus> elias: aha...well in the context of this type of addon it makes no sense to have a "faction"
20120303 17:44:57< elias> yeah
20120303 17:45:06< elias> this code only knows about "campaign" and "era" so far
20120303 17:45:51< anonymissimus> i imagine that there may be other addons whithout factions...generally ones "without recruiting"
20120303 17:46:39< elias> i could just add a fake faction to each era
20120303 17:46:51< elias> which gets all units with no faction
20120303 17:47:53< CIA-134> elias * r53394 /trunk/data/tools/unit_tree/html_output.py: [wmlunits] fixed bug listing mainline units for each campaign
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20120303 17:55:15< anonymissimus> shadowm: shouldn't the order in which addons appear be randomized now ? it seems that I always get the same addons when opening up the dialog
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20120303 17:59:25< shadowm> the container is a STL map where add-on ids are the key, so it cannot be randomized
20120303 17:59:42< shadowm> (technically it should be a STL set, but I haven't worked on that yet)
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20120303 18:08:39< mordante> servus
20120303 18:16:21< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20120303 18:16:31< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20120303 18:19:25< mordante> shadowm, regarding "name == "" || strlen(name.c_str()) == 0" it's indeed quite silly if name is a std::string
20120303 18:19:44< mordante> also using std::string::empty() is even better
20120303 18:20:41< mordante> shadowm, regarding https://gna.org/bugs/?19210 it's on my todo list
20120303 18:22:05< shadowm> is your to-do list sorted by difficulty or something else?
20120303 18:22:47< shadowm> I assume foo = "" where foo is a std::string involves the instantiation of a temporary std::string from the empty C string?
20120303 18:22:52< shadowm> er, foo == ""
20120303 18:23:26< CIA-134> mordante * r53395 /trunk/src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: Fix some gcc warnings
20120303 18:23:32< CIA-134> mordante * r53396 /trunk/src/editor/editor_palettes.cpp: Remove an old-style-cast.
20120303 18:23:57< mordante> yes and then compare the strings
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20120303 18:24:28< mordante> the duplicate test only makes sense if the std::string contains "\0"
20120303 18:25:29< mordante> sorted by a different algorithm, will look at it after the floatingpoint emultion
20120303 18:25:33< mordante> emulation*
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20120303 18:27:03< shadowm> could you explain r53395? (and hopefully include the actual warnings in your future commits)
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20120303 18:27:37< shadowm> (just for the record, I use gcc 4.6 and -Werror, so I shouldn't be missing any gcc 4.6 warnings)
20120303 18:28:03< mordante> the old-style-cast is the name of the gcc error, or close... it's called C-style cast in the CodingStandards
20120303 18:28:22< shadowm> no, that's r53386.
20120303 18:28:39< shadowm> *r53396. r53395 has nothing to do with casts.
20120303 18:28:43< mordante> oh sorry misread
20120303 18:30:04< mordante> that is about functions that have no declaration only a definition
20120303 18:30:04< mordante> I think the option is called missing-declarations
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20120303 18:30:47< shadowm> ehhhh... there are many of those everywhere
20120303 18:31:00< mordante> ?
20120303 18:31:15< shadowm> functions without a declaration
20120303 18:31:31< mordante> no we don't most functions are declared in the headers
20120303 18:31:51< shadowm> oh, why couldn't you just tell me that I accidentally missed the anonymous namespace instead :|
20120303 18:32:07< mordante> and when putting static in front of it, gcc no longer complains
20120303 18:32:26< shadowm> and can I get that warning with gcc 4.6 or do I need a gcc 4.7 snapshot?
20120303 18:32:31< CIA-134> loonycyborg * r53397 /trunk/src/ (network_asio.cpp network_asio.hpp): Ensure that connection::cancel() can't throw a boost::system::system_error
20120303 18:32:33< mordante> or an anonymous namespace, in either case the function can't be used outside that transition unit
20120303 18:33:13< mordante> I get it with gcc-4.4 and I'm quite sure older versions of gcc also support it, maybe even 3.4
20120303 18:33:26< shadowm> but what do you do to get it?
20120303 18:33:41< mordante> I think the option is -Wmissing-declaration
20120303 18:34:26< shadowm> -W -Wall doesn't enable that?
20120303 18:34:48< mordante> nope, just found the option it is -Wmissing-declarations 
20120303 18:36:07< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53398 /trunk/src/addon/manager_ui.hpp: addon/mg: Remove outdated, unused function declaration
20120303 18:36:48< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53399 /trunk/src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: addon/mg: Revert r53395, move the functions to the anonymous namespace as I originally intended instead
20120303 18:38:34< mordante> shadowm, just FYI it's allowed to put a static function in an anonymous namespace
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20120303 18:39:18< shadowm> yeah, but I don't think that brings any significant benefits, does it?
20120303 18:39:45< mordante> nope it doesn't, might be some minor differences for the linker, but nothing practical
20120303 18:40:48< mordante> ejls, wml schema isn't entirely abandoned, want to work on it later again
20120303 18:57:28< mordante> Ivanovic, is the translation issue in the tutorial already fixed?
20120303 18:57:38< Ivanovic> yes, i think so
20120303 18:58:02< mordante> good, the link in the wiki was no longer there
20120303 18:59:35< mordante> Ivanovic, the link you reported in http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GermanTranslationErrors#Generelles also seems to be gone, fixed?
20120303 19:00:03< Ivanovic> yes, i removed all the fixed stuff
20120303 19:00:22< mordante> ok good, I love it when problems fix themselves ;-)
20120303 19:01:13< CIA-134> elias * r53400 /trunk/data/tools/ (unit_tree/helpers.py unit_tree/html_output.py wmlunits): [wmlunits] Add units from an era but without any faction to a special "factionless" faction.
20120303 19:01:31< CIA-134> ivanovic * r53401 /trunk/src/server/jwsmtp/: remove old leftover, jwsmtp is no (longer) part of wesnoth
20120303 19:01:57< CIA-134> ivanovic * r53402 /branches/1.10/src/server/jwsmtp/: remove old leftover, jwsmtp is no (longer) part of wesnoth
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20120303 19:16:20< mordante> shadowm, hope to finish my addon-proposal next week
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20120303 19:46:56< CIA-134> alarantalara * r53403 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics/internal-generic.cfg: Reenable animated water transitions - needed for Under the Burning Suns
20120303 19:56:09< CIA-134> loonycyborg * r53404 /branches/1.10/src/language.cpp: 
20120303 19:56:09< CIA-134> Backported r53355: Fix bug #8807
20120303 19:56:09< CIA-134> Set LANGUAGE instead of LANG on windows. LANGUAGE takes priority for
20120303 19:56:09< CIA-134> gettext and if it gets set by something outside of wesnoth it'll make
20120303 19:56:09< CIA-134> wesnoth's language selection dialog ineffectual.
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20120303 19:56:33< CIA-134> loonycyborg * r53405 /branches/1.10/src/ (network_asio.cpp network_asio.hpp): Backported r53397: Ensure that connection::cancel() can't throw a boost::system::system_error
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20120303 19:58:30< shadowm> std::vector::size() is O(1), right?
20120303 20:00:30< vultraz> mordante: interesting...my scons build still give me the string disposal error, but my XCode build gives me 6 libstdc++.6.dylib 0x9c521bab std::string::assign(std::string const&) + 105 now
20120303 20:01:34< CIA-134> alarantalara * r53406 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Fix appearance of flood
20120303 20:01:55< vultraz> pretty sure it was a disposal error before
20120303 20:02:03< shadowm> vultraz: doesn't really surprise me since there's a memory corruption issue somewhere there; pretty much anything can happen past the corruption point
20120303 20:02:18< CIA-134> alarantalara * r53407 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/utils/terrain_graphics.cfg: Fix appearance of flood - not just changelog
20120303 20:02:20< vultraz> (just updated to os x 10.7.3)
20120303 20:02:58< Alarantalara> This deserves a before/after picture: http://imagebin.org/201844
20120303 20:03:52< vultraz> Alarantalara: did that effect swamp too?
20120303 20:04:08< vultraz> cuz I noticed it on a few maps
20120303 20:04:15< Alarantalara> no, it only affects Under the Burning Suns
20120303 20:04:19< vultraz> with swamp and cave walls
20120303 20:04:42< Ivanovic> Alarantalara: backport for branches/1.10 ?
20120303 20:04:46< Alarantalara> I plan to
20120303 20:04:54< Ivanovic> great!
20120303 20:05:36< vultraz> Alarantalara: http://imagebin.org/201848
20120303 20:05:53< timotei> shadowm: it should. But if you need to compare to 0, I'd use empty()
20120303 20:06:06< shadowm> timotei: obviously, but that's not the case
20120303 20:06:40< Alarantalara> vultraz: that was fixed for 1.10.1
20120303 20:06:49< vultraz> ah
20120303 20:06:56< vultraz> stupid me -_-
20120303 20:08:03< timotei> vultraz: so, you managed to successfully compile & run wesnoth? :)
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20120303 20:09:32< vultraz> timotei: only the editor works :P
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20120303 20:10:43< vultraz> the main game still crashes
20120303 20:10:46< timotei> Heh
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20120303 20:11:21< timotei> Pff, thunderbird's so annoying lately... it almost makes me switch to Outlook - even if I don't want to :|
20120303 20:12:45< Ivanovic> timotei: so what is the status of the eclipse plugin?
20120303 20:12:54< Ivanovic> do you want/need an announcement post for the new release?
20120303 20:13:00< timotei> Ivanovic: I'm waiting for sf.net to "propagate" the downloads >.>
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20120303 20:13:48< timotei> Ivanovic: well, I'll post on the forum anyway. I'm not that good at creating front-page essays :)
20120303 20:13:52< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: btw the sf.net page seems to be updated now
20120303 20:14:12< Ivanovic> timotei: the front page version should just be a really short version of the forum post linking the forum post
20120303 20:14:26< Ivanovic> just one paragraph stating that it is great and ready for users and...
20120303 20:14:47< timotei> I'll think about it and let you know
20120303 20:15:22< Ivanovic> okay
20120303 20:16:56< loonycyborg> lol LOIC is one of sf's projects of month :P
20120303 20:19:05< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53408 /trunk/src/addon/manager.cpp: 
20120303 20:19:05< CIA-134> addon/mg: Tidy up refresh_addon_version_info_cache() a bit
20120303 20:19:05< CIA-134> * Moved the _info.cfg path generation to a separate function
20120303 20:19:05< CIA-134> * Use STL transform algorithm instead of additional lines of code
20120303 20:19:05< CIA-134> * Other minor code cleanups
20120303 20:21:52< shadowm> anonymissimus: I think you once mentioned valgrind complaining about the add-ons manager code?
20120303 20:22:44< anonymissimus> shadowm: I did not
20120303 20:23:26< shadowm> someone mentioned that at one point and I believe I have found the cause
20120303 20:23:51< CIA-134> alarantalara * r53409 /branches/1.10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): backport r53403, 53406, r3407 to 1.10 - fix flood in UtBS
20120303 20:24:01< anonymissimus> shadowm: I complained about some MSVC debugger crash when opening the addons dialog; but I can no longer reproduce it since a certain revision by mordante; it had to do with blit_surface and the images in the addons dialog
20120303 20:24:23< shadowm> oh
20120303 20:24:28< shadowm> hmmmm
20120303 20:26:31< anonymissimus> and that revision did indeed fix some valgrind messages in that function http://gna.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=18832
20120303 20:29:17< CIA-134> timotei * r53410 /website/eclipse.wesnoth.org/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Update the website for 2.0.0
20120303 20:29:22< anonymissimus> the valgrind messages from that report were also the only ones I got, so other than that I dunno
20120303 20:33:30< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53411 /trunk/src/addon/ (manager.cpp manager.hpp): 
20120303 20:33:30< CIA-134> addon/mg: Make get_addon_version_info() return by value, not reference
20120303 20:33:30< CIA-134> The return statement makes use of the ternary ?: operator to select the
20120303 20:33:30< CIA-134> referenced object, and this construct in assignments has been found to
20120303 20:33:30< CIA-134> cause undefined behavior scenarios before (r34865, r34871, r34872), so
20120303 20:33:31< CIA-134> it's probably better to err on the side of caution here. The
20120303 20:33:32< CIA-134> version_info class instance copy overhead should be near-negligible.
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20120303 21:01:43< Espreon> anonymissimus: Something in g.w.o might be broken.
20120303 21:01:48< Espreon> I really wouldn't know.
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20120303 21:39:05< fendrin> hello
20120303 21:39:40< Espreon> Hello.
20120303 21:46:43< mordante> shadowm, yes std::vector::size() should be O(1)
20120303 21:47:16< mordante> vultraz, which compiler, maybe ask Alarantalara for his settings
20120303 21:47:59< Alarantalara> The compiler I use isn't available on Lion
20120303 21:49:03< mordante> ah ok
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20120303 21:49:12< mordante> hi fendrin 
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20120303 22:08:46< fendrin> mordante: Hi, I am on the editor, solving all problems related to low resolutions.
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20120303 22:09:25< Alarantalara> fendrin: if you choose save map while playing a scenario, the map data isn't quoted, so it won't load
20120303 22:10:30< mordante> fendrin, yeah I half read the logs
20120303 22:10:57< fendrin> Alarantalara: okay, I am on it.
20120303 22:17:31< Ivanovic> fendrin: cool stuff!
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20120303 22:41:42< mordante> I'm off night
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20120303 22:47:30< AI0867> anonymissimus: yes, I made it recognise those calls, so you don't need extra comments for that
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20120303 23:07:48< fendrin> Ivanovic: Design credits go mostly to shadowm.
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20120303 23:11:04< fendrin> shadowm: By the way, do you agree to display the terrain groups unscaled on very large resolutions?
20120303 23:11:28< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53412 /branches/1.10/src/addon/ (manager.cpp manager.hpp): (log message trimmed)
20120303 23:11:29< CIA-134> addon/mg: Make get_addon_version_info() return by value, not reference
20120303 23:11:29< CIA-134> (Backported from trunk, r53411.)
20120303 23:11:29< CIA-134> The return statement makes use of the ternary ?: operator to select the
20120303 23:11:29< CIA-134> referenced object, and this construct in assignments has been found to
20120303 23:11:29< CIA-134> cause undefined behavior scenarios before (r34865, r34871, r34872), so
20120303 23:11:30< CIA-134> it's probably better to err on the side of caution here. The
20120303 23:12:19< shadowm> no, assuming you meant terrain icons
20120303 23:12:38< fendrin> Yes, sure. Why not?
20120303 23:13:08< anonymissimus> AI0867: and what about Settlers of wesnoth not appearing on http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/ ?
20120303 23:13:08< shadowm> because there's no realistic consumer-level display with a large enough resolution to make unscaled icons not waste space
20120303 23:13:45< shadowm> same problem I'm facing with the Add-ons Manager, except tiny details like jagged scaled-down graphics really mater there, much to my annoyance
20120303 23:13:48< anonymissimus> and would be nice if you could rerun the script, think I can finally tell the translator then he can start
20120303 23:15:26< fendrin> shadowm: Hmmm, I am using 1050 points in the vertical direction and most terrain groups can be displayed unscaled already. With 1200+ vertical resolution it should be no problem for all of them except the "all" group which can be displayed at the 36 pixel icon size then.
20120303 23:18:05< shadowm> I tend to be very annoyed by user interfaces where layout geometry varies according to seemingly arbitrary (for the user, not the coder) factors like that, and don't forget that the "all" group is not the only terrain category that can have more icons than what we have in mainline at the moment
20120303 23:19:16< AI0867> anonymissimus: possibly due to grab-stats.php not being run yet, lemme check
20120303 23:21:19< AI0867> grab-stats is taking forever
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20120303 23:24:02< fendrin> shadowm: (less terrains == bigger icons AND more terrains == smaller icons) Isn't that mysterious, even for non coders. 
20120303 23:24:04< shadowm> for that matter, GUI2 gets on my nerves precisely because of that flaw, which isn't apparent in most current GUI2 dialogs that don't use listboxes
20120303 23:24:13< shadowm> however, Load Game... ugh
20120303 23:25:21< shadowm> fendrin: I've never seen a drawing application where the palette size changes without the user's intervention
20120303 23:25:56< shadowm> meaning both the palette size, and the size of the individual palette entries
20120303 23:26:06< fendrin> shadowm: Good point. How about implementing the intervention?
20120303 23:27:14< shadowm> you know that unlike normal applications where the user can drag a border around or right-click on a widget to bring up a context menu with options, UI options in Wesnoth incur Advanced Options spam
20120303 23:27:30< shadowm> I don't want to see Advanced Options spam, nor any other kind of Options spam
20120303 23:28:25< fendrin> Well, it will get forgotten compared to all the options that are going to follow that gui cleanup...
20120303 23:29:21< shadowm> what options?
20120303 23:29:50< fendrin> New menus for example.
20120303 23:29:56< fendrin> I need at least two more of them.
20120303 23:30:05< fendrin> One for handling the named areas.
20120303 23:30:17< fendrin> And one for handling the sides.
20120303 23:30:49< shadowm> named areas? and in either case, those are not options, those are commands
20120303 23:30:55< fendrin> Well, maybe they can't be called options technically.
20120303 23:31:12< shadowm> I'm talking exclusively about options
20120303 23:31:31< fendrin> But they will cause far more entries in the menus than the bigger/smaller terrain icon "option".
20120303 23:32:12< shadowm> not really; it sounds like what you want are tools like the set-starting-position tool
20120303 23:32:14< fendrin> But an "Advanced Option" would the feature not be.
20120303 23:32:20< shadowm> also, I have never talked about menus...
20120303 23:33:20< fendrin> But I talk about menus because the feature would be implemented as menu entries.
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20120303 23:34:51< fendrin> Named areas are a set of hex field which are given an id.
20120303 23:34:59< shadowm> it's hard to tell at this point whether you are approaching the problem from the wrong angle, since I have barely heard of the feature(s?); meaning I first heard of it(them?) a few minutes ago
20120303 23:36:04< fendrin> You can filter in a SLF for that id. Thus the wml code will stay static, map changing will only mean changing terrain and the area set in the editor.
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20120303 23:37:39< shadowm> "I like that" would be an understatement considering how unmanageable AtS' scripts already are.
20120303 23:37:45< fendrin> :-)
20120303 23:38:08< shadowm> Then again, what concerns me here is the user-facing implementation.
20120303 23:38:44< fendrin> Then please let me go in detail to see if my design of the feature can be improved.
20120303 23:40:17< shadowm> I'm listening.
20120303 23:41:02< fendrin> The editor already allows for selecting a set of hex field, the feature is called "Selection Tool".
20120303 23:41:20< fendrin> s/field/fields
20120303 23:42:05< fendrin> What you can do to a "Selection" is shown to the user dynamically in the "editor" menu.
20120303 23:43:15< fendrin> If a selection is made the "editor" menu will show an additional entry that is called like "Name the current selection" or similar. I always appreciate help when it comes to naming.
20120303 23:44:23< fendrin> After the user named a selection that name will be shown in the additional "area" menu. Very similar to how the "map" menu works.  
20120303 23:44:50< fendrin> But instead of switching the maps the area menu will switch between named selections.
20120303 23:46:42< fendrin> The current active named selection (if one is active) can be deleted from a second additional menu entry in the "edit" menu called "delete current named area".
20120303 23:47:16< fendrin> That is it. s/in the "editor" menu/in the "edit" menu
20120303 23:47:26< fendrin> shadowm: ^
20120303 23:48:31< shadowm> Create Named Region from Selection
20120303 23:48:37< shadowm> I don't know, I'm not very good at naming either :p
20120303 23:48:59< fendrin> Note that I have a working prototype that is horrible unstable but the thing workflow proved to be usable.
20120303 23:50:21< shadowm> I don't think the way named regions are presented in your proposal is very  good for anyone; regions could be displayed with special (maybe colored) overlays on the gamemap view either, along with their names (acting as labels)
20120303 23:50:30< shadowm> s/either/instead/
20120303 23:51:01< shadowm> also, instead of spamming a new menu with who knows how many entries, you could add a single action that displays a selection dialog
20120303 23:51:57< fendrin> My first prototype followed your first idea. 
20120303 23:52:45< fendrin> It displayed ares with labels. 
20120303 23:53:50< fendrin> So all of them were displayed at once.
20120303 23:54:11< fendrin> The current design seemed more easy.
20120303 23:56:13< shadowm> I pictured the overlays covering affected hexes, with the colors intended to help differentiate them for people with regular vision, and the label displayed at the "center of gravity" of the area if applicable (and now that I think of it, calculating the center or its applcability is a decidedly non-trivial task)
20120303 23:57:01< shadowm> so I'd have handled concave or sparse named regions  as border cases
20120303 23:57:42< fendrin> And you do not want to make the feature a "tool". Because the tool you use when dealing with areas is the "Selection Tool". Being the feature a tool as well would mean a constant switching between seem, interrupting the workflow massively.
20120303 23:58:49< shadowm> right, but when I said that I hadn't heard the whole proposal or considered its reliance on the selection tool
20120303 23:59:16< fendrin> The overlay/label/center idea is a good one, and you are right, that problem is not trivial. But I can approximate it.
20120303 23:59:24< shadowm> now that I have, though, it sounds like I heard something like this years ago
20120303 23:59:40< fendrin> I have discussed that already.
20120303 23:59:52< fendrin> Two years ago.
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