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20120306 00:00:10< fendrin_> shadowm: sure? Did you revert to the right revision?
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20120306 00:09:07< shadowm> r53447
20120306 00:28:10< fendrin_> shadowm: Okay, that is the right one. 
20120306 00:28:56< fendrin_> It was very ugly on high resolutions since a single line of terrains is going from top to bottom.
20120306 00:29:26< shadowm> hm, that makes sense.
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20120306 01:42:33< AI0867> mordante: do you have the diff? I can commit it if you need it
20120306 01:43:35< AI0867> Ivanovic: also, I've recently decided to sort the metadata of strings, so when someone does a pot-update, the result doesn't depend on his filesystem
20120306 01:43:55< AI0867> my tests were successful, but please execute some more
20120306 01:44:35< AI0867> mordante: I didn't see any excessive darkness, but that might have just been lack of attention
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20120306 02:14:40< jamit> loonycyborg?
20120306 02:22:29< Espreon> jamit: Hello. What is it that you need?
20120306 02:23:14< jamit> A question about the Windows packaging.
20120306 02:23:58< jamit> I've come up with a 13.5 MB manual patch from 1.10.0 to 1.10.1 and was wondering if someone wanted to automate it.
20120306 02:24:15< Espreon> Oh, then I wouldn't be able to help.
20120306 02:24:55< Espreon> Sorry.
20120306 02:25:32< jamit> No problem.
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20120306 03:44:28< un214> I wrote a recursive function at work
20120306 03:44:35< un214> it has a cyclomatic complexity of 193
20120306 03:51:40< shadowm> this is relevant to us because...?
20120306 03:52:07< un214> it's not
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20120306 06:11:18< ancestral> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=36304
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20120306 07:18:34< CIA-134> shadowmaster * r53451 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/campaignserver_client.py: 
20120306 07:18:34< CIA-134> wesnoth_addon_manager: Make 1.9.x portspec alias to 1.10.x since the server scripts haven't been fixed for 1.10 yet
20120306 07:18:34< CIA-134> This must be reverted once the 1.10 server transition is completed.
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20120306 07:41:19< Ivanovic> shadowm: will you handle banning of http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=129933 ?
20120306 07:41:50< shadowm> done
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20120306 07:43:41< Ivanovic> thanks
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20120306 08:53:27< vultraz> fendrin_: er...I still seem to have the old-sized rightside-editor-small.png
20120306 08:56:14< vultraz> the one that's 14x217
20120306 08:56:33< vultraz> instead of 174x24
20120306 08:56:35< vultraz> 6
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20120306 10:04:36< vultraz> fendrin_: also, PMed a new set of village editor icons using the new village icon
20120306 10:32:38< vultraz> fendrin_: and IMHO, shouldn't the dry hills terrain be the the desert group as well?
20120306 10:35:08< vultraz> so, I made a patch for that: http://pastebin.com/FuNBz57U
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20120306 11:31:04< vultraz> fendrin_: PMed a new tile image for the impassable desert mountain
20120306 11:33:42< vultraz> (hope I;m not annoying you)
20120306 11:36:58< vultraz> ;)
20120306 11:37:20< fendrin_> vultraz: Don't worry. But I don't have the authority over the terrain to apply your patch without talking to Alarantalara. 
20120306 11:37:47< vultraz> mk
20120306 11:38:21< vultraz> no problem 
20120306 11:38:23< vultraz> :)
20120306 11:41:09< fendrin_> vultraz: I haven't exchanged all the images yet.
20120306 11:42:07< vultraz> ah, explains it
20120306 11:42:09< fendrin_> vultraz: I fear that it is still too much work in progress. I shouldn't have called for images that early. Most likely every image will have to be redone before the editor is ready.
20120306 11:42:32< fendrin_> Sorry.
20120306 11:42:53< vultraz> :P
20120306 11:42:57< vultraz> *shrug*
20120306 11:43:00< fendrin_> I am currently making a template class "editor_palette".
20120306 11:43:11< fendrin_> Which is virtual as well.
20120306 11:45:14< fendrin_> From this based will be the current "terrain_palette", but also "unit_palette" and "item_palette".
20120306 11:45:47< vultraz> er...you mean we'll have a list of items to add?
20120306 11:45:59< vultraz> s/add/place on map
20120306 11:46:20< vultraz> where is now the list of terrains?
20120306 11:48:37< fendrin_> hhh,mmmm
20120306 11:49:07< fendrin_> In the sidebar?
20120306 11:49:30< vultraz> yah
20120306 11:49:32< vultraz> yeah*
20120306 11:49:47< fendrin_> I guess I did not get your question.
20120306 11:51:47< vultraz> where there is now the list of terrains, will there be a list of items and units, depending on what tool we've selected
20120306 11:53:17< fendrin_> Yes, exactly.
20120306 11:53:54< vultraz> :D
20120306 11:53:55< vultraz> niiice
20120306 11:54:02< vultraz> I'm loving this new editor
20120306 11:55:38< vultraz> though, when you have the items listed, what will appear in the Group menu?
20120306 11:55:50< vultraz> different folders with items?
20120306 11:56:08< vultraz> eg
20120306 11:56:10< vultraz> core/items
20120306 11:56:12< fendrin_> Yes, directories most likely
20120306 11:56:13< vultraz> core/scenery
20120306 11:56:22< fendrin_> filesystem directories.
20120306 11:56:36< fendrin_> In case of the units it could be "race".
20120306 11:56:46< vultraz> and maybe those respective dirs for the [binary_path]s the editor finds?
20120306 11:56:49< vultraz> like
20120306 11:57:01< vultraz> IftU's images/items folder
20120306 11:57:02< vultraz> ?
20120306 11:57:28< fendrin_> hmmmm
20120306 11:57:50< fendrin_> I don't know exactly how to do this. Need to try how this is done best.
20120306 11:58:05< vultraz> ah
20120306 11:58:32< fendrin_> At least from mainline core I need to include "scenary" and "items".
20120306 11:58:35< fendrin_> Maybe more.
20120306 11:59:16< vultraz> :)
20120306 12:00:22< vultraz> sounds quite complicated
20120306 12:00:32< fendrin_> Maybe.
20120306 12:00:55< fendrin_> What gives me more of a headache is how to present animations.
20120306 12:01:22< fendrin_> Those folders contain animation parts. But there is nowhere a wml tag that defines them.
20120306 12:01:52< vultraz> yeah...we just use image=image:duration
20120306 12:02:54< fendrin_> Thus I though just loading files with similar names but ending in a digit as stages for animations.
20120306 12:03:15< fendrin_> The timing needs a gui interface to adjust.
20120306 12:03:30< vultraz> yeah
20120306 12:03:47< vultraz> maybe default to 100?
20120306 12:03:49< fendrin_> Duration is the same for every stage in most cases, isn't it?
20120306 12:04:03< vultraz> I think so...
20120306 12:04:14< fendrin_> No idea about a reasonable default.
20120306 12:04:37< fendrin_> I am not firm in this part of wml.
20120306 12:04:43< vultraz> well, most I've seen use 100 (I think)
20120306 12:08:21< vultraz> BTW, there seems to be a 1 pixel difference between the drawn art of the editor sidebar and the generated part: http://imagebin.org/202185
20120306 12:08:44< vultraz> bottom part is wider
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20120306 12:36:01< fendrin_> vultraz: I see, the bottom is still the old image which is not wide enough. I do not have a wider version of it.
20120306 12:36:44< vultraz> what image is it
20120306 12:37:19< vultraz> themes/rightside-bg.png?
20120306 12:39:30< fendrin_> Yes
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20120306 12:53:40< vultraz> fendrin_: I made a copy 174x286
20120306 12:53:43< vultraz> that good?
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20120306 14:16:35< mihaineacsu> Hi guys!
20120306 14:17:12< mihaineacsu> Is Battle of Wesnoth participating in Google Summer of Code this year?
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20120306 14:54:35< vultraz> fendrin_: PMd it
20120306 14:59:40< fendrin_> vultraz: thanks
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20120306 15:51:43< vultraz> fendrin_: about the impassable desert mountain tile, should I show it to alarantalara?
20120306 16:01:08< fendrin_> vultraz: Yes, please do so.
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20120306 16:17:06< vultraz> wesbot: seen Alarantalara
20120306 16:17:06< wesbot> vultraz: The person with the nick Alarantalara last spoke 2d 11h ago.  2d 10h ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
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20120306 16:22:25< vultraz> :S
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20120306 18:35:57< anonymissimus> fendrin_: ping
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20120306 18:44:36< Ivanovic> hi
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20120306 18:52:53< fendrin_> anonymissimus: pong
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20120306 19:16:30< mordante> servus
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20120306 19:23:53< mordante> AI0867, I thought I committed your patch in a branch, but I didn't :-(
20120306 19:24:24< mordante> AI0867, could you pastebin the patch, like to work on some other issues in that area first
20120306 19:24:37< mordante> also like to figure out why exactly the patch works
20120306 19:27:16< mordante> mihaineacsu, whether we participate in GSoC depends on whether Google accepts us ;-)
20120306 19:27:33< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20120306 19:27:38< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20120306 19:27:50< mihaineacsu> ah, I see. Thanks for the reply
20120306 19:28:34< mordante> mihaineacsu, you're welcome
20120306 19:28:48< mordante> you want to join Wesnoth if we're accepted?
20120306 19:30:40< mihaineacsu> Yes, I'm looking for a project. I'm narrowing the list to the things I love most: games and os's
20120306 19:38:30< anonymissimus> fendrin_: the team checkbox in the label placer doesn't make sense
20120306 19:38:32< mordante> nice you also play wesnoth?
20120306 19:39:31< anonymissimus> fendrin_: what's the logic for the placement and reordering of the icons ? wouldn't a combocox like for the terrains for all the new icons make sense ?
20120306 19:40:09< anonymissimus> especially the reordering may seem disturbing if someone's used to the positions
20120306 19:41:39< anonymissimus> fendrin_: could the combobox for the terrains be made so that its top appear on top of the screen (or way more above) so that when opening it all the mainline categories can be seen at once ?
20120306 19:42:15< anonymissimus> fendrin_: and I think it's called "drags" and "sound source" ;)
20120306 19:44:28< anonymissimus> fendrin_: the scroll labels for inside the terrain categories are good this way (I dunno whether scrolling or resizing the images is better...)
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20120306 19:46:56< anonymissimus> well, that's it atm :)
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20120306 19:47:37< anonymissimus> mihaineacsu: would you like to understand, debug, refactor and later on maintain some code ? :P
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20120306 20:31:17< anonymissimus> mihaineacsu: no private hcat pls
20120306 20:31:38< anonymissimus> no, not familiar
20120306 20:32:49< anonymissimus> the projects were the whiteboard (as usual), the lua AI, and the gui wml validation tool
20120306 20:33:27< anonymissimus> and the UMC IDE, also as usual
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20120306 21:14:51< CIA-134> mordante * r53452 /trunk/src/ (5 files): 
20120306 21:14:51< CIA-134> Move the ttracer class to its own file.
20120306 21:14:51< CIA-134> The class also makes sense to use outside the floating point emulation code.
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20120306 22:38:33< fabi> anonymissimus: Yes, the "team only" checkbox doesn't make sense at the moment. I will replace it with a gui2 dialog that takes a cfg as argument and looks how the corresponding wml tag works by scanning the schema file. 
20120306 22:39:36< fabi> This dialog can be reused to manipulate any wml cfg. I plan to use it for the labels, the items, units and the side tag to be processed in the editor.
20120306 22:40:01< fabi> It will be based on craps wml inspector.
20120306 22:41:19< fabi> The items and units will be presented by their own classes unit_palette and item_palette which will be based on a templete class I currently ectract out of the terrain_palette.
20120306 22:42:00< fabi> I can't do anything on the placement of the terrain group menu, gui0 does not offer any interface to that.
20120306 22:42:11< anonymissimus> yeah, you don't need to tell me about the implementation...I just give you feedback from a user point of view
20120306 22:42:13< fabi> Did I forget any of your questions?
20120306 22:43:40< anonymissimus> the reordering of the icons ? or is that out of control ?
20120306 22:43:54< anonymissimus> or buttons
20120306 22:44:28< fabi> Reordering of the terrain icons?
20120306 22:44:45< anonymissimus> I mean, people are probably kind of used to "this button is there" instead of recongizing/remembering the images which specify what they do
20120306 22:44:53< anonymissimus> no, the tool buttons
20120306 22:44:59< fabi> Ah yes.
20120306 22:45:17< fabi> I regrouped the tool icons to reflect a certain logic.
20120306 22:45:29< fabi> The first column are the two painting tools.
20120306 22:45:39< fabi> The second column are the two selection tools.
20120306 22:45:57< fabi> The last column are the two tools that depend on sides being defined.
20120306 22:46:31< fabi> The 4th row are [item] and [soundsource] which are both sides of the same medalion. 
20120306 22:47:10< fabi> The 3rd row are starting position and labels, they are not related that much. 
20120306 22:48:22< fabi> So with the exception of line 3 every column presents a pair of tools.
20120306 22:48:47< vultraz> BTW, is only ~data/add-ons/* loaded, or everything in ~/data/?
20120306 22:48:57< fabi> I could of course restore the old arrangement if wanted, but that makes their order rather unorganized.
20120306 22:49:58< fabi> The current order is also sorted by how often the tools are expected to get used. I suppose the drawing tools are the most important in column one.
20120306 22:50:14< fabi> The selection tools are the next important ones.
20120306 22:50:19< anonymissimus> ok...well for me at least the reasoning in the ordering was quite unobvious
20120306 22:52:11< mordante> I'm off night
20120306 22:52:12< anonymissimus> and what will be the difference of the pipette tool to the "magic wand" selection ?
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20120306 22:53:13< fabi> The pipette tool selects the terrain under the cursor.
20120306 22:53:29< fabi> I don't know about the "magic wand" selection.
20120306 22:54:00< fabi> I am still not sure if we need the pipette tool.
20120306 22:54:23< fabi> I have learned that you can already do that by holding the ctrl key.
20120306 22:54:29< anonymissimus> but then there's no difference to the normal selection tool ?
20120306 22:55:01< fabi> The selection tool selects a bunch of hex fields.
20120306 22:55:26< fabi> The pipette tool selects new foreground or backround terrains from the hex under the cursor.
20120306 22:55:55< fabi> Similar to what the "ctrl" modifier does already when in drawing tool mode.
20120306 22:56:03< anonymissimus> the magic wands tool seems to select all hexes with terrain of the same type, but only if they are connected to the hex moused over
20120306 22:56:42< anonymissimus> I recall that I needed this, but also for hexes of that type which are not connected to the moused over hex
20120306 22:56:48< fabi> The purpose of the tool is to give poeple on a touch screen device or general poeple who prefer mouse over keyboard access to the tool.
20120306 22:58:23< fabi> anonymissimus: I could bind the magic wand feature to the middle mouse click/scrool wheel click.
20120306 22:58:40< fabi> In the selection tool mode that would be.
20120306 22:58:48< anonymissimus> binding things to scroll weel is not so good I already said
20120306 22:59:17< anonymissimus> also there are still mice without a middle weel or Taste to click
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20120306 23:00:44< fabi> Sure, but the feature is already accessable, just with keyboard modifier. I would not bind a feature that is otherwise not accessable to the mouse wheel.
20120306 23:00:58< anonymissimus> yeah
20120306 23:01:34< anonymissimus> and if you are at it, a selection mode such as magic wand but also if the areas with the same terrain aren't connected would be nice
20120306 23:02:11< anonymissimus> actually, I found this magic wand to be pretty useless because of this
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20120306 23:07:58< anonymissimus> Alarantalara: the palm grove and the beach sands would fit well into the water category as well
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20120306 23:13:51< fabi> anonymissimus: Please fill a detailed feature request on the magic wand issue against me.
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20120306 23:22:20< anonymissimus> possibly the existing magic wand feature was actually supposed to work that way; its descriptions also mentions nothing about that teh hexes need to be connected
20120306 23:22:33< anonymissimus> in that case it'd be a bug
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20120306 23:33:28< fendrin_> hi Alarantalara
20120306 23:37:23< anonymissimus> fendrin_: FR made https://gna.org/bugs/?19530
20120306 23:37:28< vultraz> Alarantalara: I made a new tile for the impassable desert mountain: http://imagebin.org/202256 
20120306 23:37:47< vultraz> current one's using the 1.8 mountain image
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