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20120317 04:05:55< gabba> Damn, it looks like Wesnoth doesn't make it to GSoC 2012 http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012
20120317 04:06:39< gabba> They cut the number of orgs from 175 to 132 this year, it seems
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20120317 05:02:53< gabba> Or is it that the list is not complete yet? Who knows.
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20120317 05:21:36< shadowm> hm
20120317 05:22:02< shadowm> I think I know what's going on, but the relevant person isn't around atm
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20120317 08:03:28< Ivanovic> moin
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20120317 08:35:45< shadowm> !repo
20120317 08:35:45< shikadibot> shadowm: Repository URI: http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth
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20120317 08:46:04< mordante> servus
20120317 08:49:01< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20120317 08:49:05< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20120317 08:49:18< mordante> Ivanovic, I've good news and bad news...
20120317 08:49:35< mordante> figured out what consumes most of the time of the test, the writing of the png :-(
20120317 08:52:31< Ivanovic> ugh
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20120317 08:56:58< CIA-69> mordante * r53545 /trunk/src/sdl_utils.cpp: 
20120317 08:56:58< CIA-69> Directy pack and unpack pixels.
20120317 08:56:58< CIA-69> Most code already directly modifies the pixels instead of calling
20120317 08:56:58< CIA-69> SDL_GetRGBA. This change gives a minor speedup, but mainly done for
20120317 08:56:58< CIA-69> consistency and make it easier to test with CPU vector operations.
20120317 08:57:00< CIA-69> mordante * r53544 /trunk/src/sdl_utils.cpp: 
20120317 08:57:00< CIA-69> Improve scaling.
20120317 08:57:00< CIA-69> Using a or has the same effect, but avoids a conditional.
20120317 08:57:01< CIA-69> mordante * r53546 /trunk/src/wesmage/ (options.cpp wesmage.cpp): 
20120317 08:57:01< CIA-69> Add a dry run option for wesmage.
20120317 08:57:01< mordante> Ivanovic, do you have time to run some tests?
20120317 08:57:02< CIA-69> When timing an algorithm the writing of the png can take a
20120317 08:57:02< CIA-69> non-significant portion of the time.
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20120317 09:48:35< Ivanovic> mordante: i am off to do some shopping now, once i am back (maybe in 2h) i can do some tests
20120317 09:48:38< Ivanovic> is this fine with you?
20120317 09:48:53< mordante> yes no problem
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20120317 10:02:56< CIA-69> ivanovic * r53547 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-help/de.po wesnoth-units/de.po): updated German translation
20120317 10:03:06< CIA-69> ivanovic * r53548 /branches/1.10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): updated German translation
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20120317 13:06:28< Ivanovic> re
20120317 13:06:37< Ivanovic> mordante: okay, what exactly do you want tested?
20120317 13:06:44< Ivanovic> meaning: which options set and compared?
20120317 13:07:01< Ivanovic> i'm likely to make my test setup some "real" script which is more than a batch file
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20120317 13:23:07< mordante> Ivanovic,  I think it only makes sense to test at -O2, the differences between -02 and -O3 are too small
20120317 13:23:14< mordante> then I have 3 configurations to test
20120317 13:24:08< mordante> -UPANDORA, -UPANDORA -DFLOATING_POINT_EMULATION_USE_SCALED_INT, (no extra flag, implies -DPANDORA)
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20120317 13:32:11< Ivanovic> what is the difference between -DPANDORA and -UPANDORA?
20120317 13:34:17< mordante> that -UPANDORA undefines the PANDORA symbol
20120317 13:34:45< mordante> thus reverts to the normal code path used on the PC, using fixed point emulation
20120317 13:37:01< Ivanovic> with other words: -UPANDORA will override the CFLAGS -DPANDORA ?
20120317 13:37:31< mordante> yup
20120317 13:43:37< Ivanovic> want me to test with -fshort-double or without?
20120317 13:44:29< mordante> good question
20120317 13:44:47< mordante> I think without unless we want to compile wesnoth with -fshort-double
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20120317 13:52:41< Ivanovic> okay, do you also want to have the created output images?
20120317 13:53:04< mordante> not per se, just like to get some timings
20120317 13:53:16< Ivanovic> okay
20120317 13:59:10< Ivanovic> running the test now
20120317 14:02:59< Ivanovic> mordante: http://pastebin.com/fvNbKgrU
20120317 14:03:19< Ivanovic> as you can see all results are *very* similar
20120317 14:03:33< Ivanovic> is this as expected?
20120317 14:04:58< mordante> nope not what I expected
20120317 14:05:24< mordante> what revision did you use?
20120317 14:05:31< Ivanovic> trunk as of this morning
20120317 14:05:47< mordante> can you paste your script?
20120317 14:06:03< Ivanovic> with the following cmake settings: http://pastebin.com/cB280TQw
20120317 14:06:26< Ivanovic> and this is the benchmark script: http://pastebin.com/aGJ7MhJJ
20120317 14:08:11< mordante> ah ok, could you try again with -otmp.png replaced with -n
20120317 14:09:29< Ivanovic> running
20120317 14:11:04< Ivanovic> http://pastebin.com/Lf6aYzZm
20120317 14:11:09< Ivanovic> wow, what a difference!
20120317 14:14:08< mordante> yes seems most of the delay was writing the image, which should now have been tested 
20120317 14:14:48< mordante> so the loading and scaling isn't that expensive..
20120317 14:16:42< mordante> do you know whether valgrind is ported to the pandora?
20120317 14:18:01< Ivanovic> uhm, no idea
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20120317 14:18:37< Ivanovic> let me ask in #openpandora...
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20120317 14:21:45< Ivanovic> mordante: okay, i need some time to get valgrind running (and even then it is not sure it will work, i might trash my pandora forcing me to reflash)
20120317 14:26:42< mordante> Ivanovic, ok that sounds rather scary
20120317 14:51:17< fendrin_> I think that reflashing the pandory is not that heavy, is it Ivanovic?
20120317 14:51:26< fendrin_> Hello, by the way-
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20120317 14:54:32< Ivanovic> it is absolutely not heavy
20120317 14:54:52< Ivanovic> i just have to replace the glibc with one with debug symbols and add some files to the root file system
20120317 14:55:04< Ivanovic> and the best/easiest way to get back to "factory defaults" is by reflashing
20120317 15:23:24< Ivanovic> mordante: copying the files for a hopefully working valgrind to my pandora
20120317 15:23:32< Ivanovic> mordante: what do you want me to test and how?
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20120317 15:42:02< Ivanovic> okay, almost done copying over stuff
20120317 15:42:12< Ivanovic> mordante: feel free to tell me what to test and how
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20120317 16:03:04-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: Wesnoth accepted in GSoC 2012 | 167 bugs, 330 feature requests, 13 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20120317 16:03:25< Ivanovic> mordante: so no there is / should be working valgrind on my pandora
20120317 16:03:31< Ivanovic> tell me what to test and i'll give it a spin
20120317 16:05:33< mordante> Ivanovic, valgrind  --tool=callgrind --callgrind-out-file=callgrind  --dump-instr=yes --collect-jumps=yes --cache-sim=yes --branch-sim=yes $wesnoth
20120317 16:05:40< mordante> that works for me
20120317 16:05:48< Ivanovic> $wesnoth ?
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20120317 16:05:59< Ivanovic> so you want me to test wesnoth itself?
20120317 16:06:24< Ivanovic> or do you want me to test wesmage or...
20120317 16:06:39< Ivanovic> and with which parameters should i build trunk?
20120317 16:06:46< mordante> if possible wesnoth
20120317 16:06:52< mordante> that tells where the real delay is
20120317 16:07:25< mordante> if can compile wesnoth with -O2 -ggdb3 it will also add more debug info
20120317 16:07:54< mordante> just tested here and the real delay seems to be in the parsing
20120317 16:08:13< mordante> and gui2 also seems rather heavy
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20120317 16:08:25< mordante> SDL itself doesn't show in my statistics
20120317 16:09:36< Ivanovic> building
20120317 16:09:54< Ivanovic> using this cmake call:
20120317 16:09:56< Ivanovic> PATH=/home/nils/pandora-dev/arm-2011.09/usr/bin:$PATH CFLAGS="-DPANDORA -O2 -ggdb3 -pipe -march=armv7-a -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mtune=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon -ftree-vectorize -mfloat-abi=softfp -fno-inline-functions" CXXFLAGS="-DPANDORA -O2 -ggdb3 -pipe -march=armv7-a -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mtune=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon -ftree-vectorize -mfloat-abi=softfp -fno-inline-functions" cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=release -DENABLE_STRICT_COMPILATION=off -DCMAKE_
20120317 16:09:57< Ivanovic> TOOLCHAIN_FILE=/home/nils/pandora-dev/sdk_utils/PandoraToolchain.cmake -DPKG_CONFIG_EXECUTABLE=/home/nils/pandora-dev/arm-2011.09/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-pkg-config -DSDL_CONFIG=/home/nils/pandora-dev/arm-2011.09/usr/bin/sdl-config -DLIBINTL_INCLUDE_DIR=/home/nils/pandora-dev/arm-2011.09/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/usr/include/ -DPREFERENCES_DIR=wesnoth-1.11_userdata /src/wesnoth
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20120317 16:10:51< mordante> ok
20120317 16:16:14< Ivanovic> mordante: and how to call the binary with a different path and options like setting userdata dir and stuff like this?
20120317 16:16:49< Ivanovic> this is usually the line i use to invoke wesnoth: ./bin/wesnoth --config-dir userdata --fullscreen --smallgui -r 800x480 .
20120317 16:17:23< Ivanovic> wow, the wesnoth binary with the ggdb3 option has 512MB!
20120317 16:18:17< mordante> then $wesnoth shall be ./bin/wesnoth --config-dir userdata --fullscreen --smallgui -r 800x480 .
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20120317 16:18:56< Espreon> mordante: Don't worry about the UTF-8 problem I showed you the other day. A friend of mine just mangled the UTF-8 of the content in question.
20120317 16:18:57< mordante> 512 MB is nice
20120317 16:19:05< mordante> Espreon, ah ok
20120317 16:19:09< mordante> good to know
20120317 16:19:14< Espreon> Yup. :)
20120317 16:19:22< Ivanovic> hopefully such a large binary will run without issues!
20120317 16:20:40< mordante> maybe I should look at optimizing the tokenizer first ;-)
20120317 16:24:06< Ivanovic> okay, i ran the game once normally now so that the caches on the sdcard should be there
20120317 16:24:15< Ivanovic> now to try starting it using valgrind
20120317 16:32:07< AI0867> Ivanovic: on x86 debug builds are bigger
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20120317 16:36:11< Ivanovic> mordante: okay, got some problems running valgring, getting some errors
20120317 16:36:19< Ivanovic> due to how it is installed most likely
20120317 16:41:43< mordante> ok lets hope it just works
20120317 16:42:41< Ivanovic> mordante: okay, and you just need the resulting "callgrind" file?
20120317 16:44:18< mordante> yeah, the binary might have been nice, but it's rather big...
20120317 16:44:34< mordante> there might also be a cachegrind file, not entirely sure
20120317 16:44:40< Ivanovic> http://pastebin.com/1HtQn9Q9
20120317 16:44:52< Ivanovic> it does not the wesnoth window
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20120317 16:48:56< boucman> Espreon: around ?
20120317 16:49:35< Ivanovic> mordante: the one who created the valgrind binary is about to create (me) an update version using a different toolchain, maybe this helps
20120317 16:50:31< mordante> k
20120317 16:52:34< Gallaecio> Ivanovic: I see wesnoth.org/gettext is showing the right data for the stable branch already :)
20120317 16:52:52< Ivanovic> Gallaecio: yeah, svn was locked and because of this at some older revision
20120317 16:53:00< Ivanovic> probably some crash during a run of svn up
20120317 16:53:53< Espreon> boucman: Yes.
20120317 16:54:24< boucman> jamit said he would add the refog tag in a followup patch next week
20120317 16:54:43< Espreon> OK.
20120317 16:54:45< boucman> but i'll be away most of next week so don't expect it right away (unless someone commits it first)
20120317 16:54:58< boucman> just keeping you posted on it :)
20120317 16:55:01< Espreon> OK.
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20120317 17:02:18< Gallaecio> Hmm… Since lots of changes to the AI has been done since then, does this bug still apply? https://gna.org/bugs/?3379 (AI cheating with fog/shroud)
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20120317 17:24:32< Ivanovic> mordante: okay, the new binary does still not work with wesnoth
20120317 17:25:51< Ivanovic> maybe you want to have a look at line 50 in terrain_translation.hpp ?
20120317 17:27:38< mordante> doesn't look odd, what's the issue with it?
20120317 17:29:11< Ivanovic> http://pastebin.com/1HtQn9Q9
20120317 17:32:05< Espreon> And what to do with this: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=523702
20120317 17:33:26< CIA-69> anonymissimus * r53549 /trunk/src/unit.cpp: 
20120317 17:33:27< CIA-69> Fix usage of invalid iterators in [effect]apply_to=remove_attacks.
20120317 17:33:27< CIA-69> Revealed (not introduced) by r53470, causing the debugger to crash.
20120317 17:37:56< Gallaecio> From a conceptual point of view, I agree with the last comment.
20120317 17:38:03< Gallaecio> Mud is not an element.
20120317 17:39:18< mordante> Ivanovic, odd... guess it doesn't support all ARM instructions
20120317 17:39:24< Ivanovic> jepp
20120317 17:39:42< Ivanovic> so i won't be able to give you better information with the main binary
20120317 17:41:34< Espreon> Gallaecio: Well, of course it's not. We could make shit up and say it's just a water element that lives in globs of earth. Or we could just make another trait...
20120317 17:41:41< Espreon> ... but yet another trait... blargh.
20120317 17:42:08< mordante> Ivanovic, ok, guess I'll use the profile on my machine to guess what happens
20120317 17:42:17< Ivanovic> yeah
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20120317 17:58:47< vultraz> anonymissimus: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=523708#p523708 what do you think of the latest version
20120317 17:58:56< vultraz> (I think it's done)
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20120317 18:18:42< anonymissimus> vultraz: the pressed/active etc variations seem undistinguishable
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20120317 18:19:15< anonymissimus> also, why's the bottom of the A so dark
20120317 18:20:02< anonymissimus> I dunno; I think for a button practical and usability concerns are much more important than things like shading
20120317 18:21:05< vultraz> well, they do seem indistinguishable...until they're in the editor
20120317 18:22:22< anonymissimus> well ok then for that aspect
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20120317 18:29:59< vultraz> anonymissimus: as for the bottom of the A, I think the fade-into-the-background effect is cool. you can still distinguish the A
20120317 18:30:07< vultraz> and should be usable
20120317 18:30:11< vultraz> still be*
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20120317 18:42:35 * anonymissimus doesn't think cool effects make any sense for a button
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20120317 18:44:08< anonymissimus> that falls into the scope of blinky-poppy-resource-consuming confusing stuff microsoft and not only them like to create
20120317 18:49:39< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug 17769
20120317 18:49:40< wesbot> Bug #17769  Assigned to: Anonymissimus <anonymissimus>  Status: Fixed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20120317 18:49:43< wesbot> Summary: MOVE_UNIT macro / [move_unit] doesn't work if target hex impassable
20120317 18:49:46< wesbot> Original submission: Old MOVE_UNIT code not relying on lua worked for this.f
20120317 18:49:50< wesbot> orum thread bringing the issue up:http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21
20120317 18:49:53< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?17769
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20120317 20:13:08< mordante> anonymissimus, is the initial parsing of Wesnoth still slow on Windows?
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20120317 20:31:54< anonymissimus> mordante: you mean the MSVC debugger ?
20120317 20:32:17< anonymissimus> as for normal execution there's not something in particular
20120317 20:32:24< anonymissimus> I'd say
20120317 20:32:55< anonymissimus> I never made some comparison tests win vs Linux or so in that aspect
20120317 20:33:02< mordante> anonymissimus, I recall people complaining about its speed, but not sure whether it was still valid
20120317 20:33:19< mordante> I've some code that shaves of about 60 ms on my system
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20120317 20:33:57< anonymissimus> 60 milliseconds ?
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20120317 20:34:51< mordante> yes
20120317 20:35:00< anonymissimus> well, if you could make the cache-building phase noticably faster I'd be great of course
20120317 20:35:38< mordante> for me with or without cache has no significant difference
20120317 20:36:14< anonymissimus> 60ms is imperceptible in comparison to the total time needed
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20120317 20:36:38< mordante> 60 ms on the 980 ms starting phase
20120317 20:38:10< anonymissimus> starting phase is what ?
20120317 20:38:25< anonymissimus> until the titlescreen ?
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20120317 20:39:26< anonymissimus> I mean, launching the test scenario by ./wesnoth -d -t lasts roughly 15 secs for me, mostly due to parsing of wml
20120317 20:39:51< mordante> anonymissimus, I changed game.cpp:442 to print to the standard error
20120317 20:40:22< anonymissimus> so every wml author would greatly appreciate if that could be made faster (or the "go to titlescreen and press f5, relaunch scenario" - procedure)
20120317 20:41:04< mordante> anonymissimus, could you change that line as well and show the output when starting Wesnoth?
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20120317 20:45:10< JaMiT> zookeeper? Question about possible change to [modify_side].
20120317 20:46:35< zookeeper> not really my area, but go ahead...
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20120317 20:47:53< JaMiT> If you have [modify_side] fog=yes, would it be bad to have that recalculate fog?
20120317 20:48:09< anonymissimus> time elapsed: 3644 ms
20120317 20:48:34< anonymissimus> 980 ms for the launch to titlescreen, really ? less than a second ?
20120317 20:48:40< JaMiT> So that hexes get refogged except those currently seen by units?
20120317 20:48:47< anonymissimus> mordante: ^
20120317 20:48:55< mordante> anonymissimus, yup
20120317 20:49:14< anonymissimus> I never get that even on ubuntu
20120317 20:49:18< mordante> anonymissimus, can you try again with this patch? http://paste.debian.net/160138/
20120317 20:49:30< mordante> compiled with -O2
20120317 20:49:41< mordante> I get this number
20120317 20:49:51< mordante> with -O0 it's slower
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20120317 20:51:10< zookeeper> JaMiT, hmm, i doubt it'd be a disaster...
20120317 20:51:57< anonymissimus> mordante: corrupt patch at line 6...
20120317 20:52:46< JaMiT> zookeeper, is there someone better to ask? You just seemed to be the go-to for WML design.
20120317 20:53:34< anonymissimus> ah wait
20120317 20:54:07< anonymissimus> it applied clean, one sec
20120317 20:54:34< zookeeper> JaMiT, sapient maybe. anyway, if you have [modify_side] fog=yes then i'd expect it to do nothing _if_ fog is already on. if it's off, then it's quite natural for it to be re-calculated.
20120317 20:55:32< anonymissimus> mordante: it's -O3, MinGw built
20120317 20:56:39< mordante> ok, just compile as you did before so we can compare the numbers
20120317 20:56:52< anonymissimus> time elapsed: 3844 ms
20120317 20:57:00< anonymissimus> well no, I notice no difference
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20120317 20:58:26< anonymissimus> or its too hard to tell in comparison to the total amount
20120317 20:58:32< anonymissimus> due to error tolerance
20120317 20:58:50< anonymissimus> I mean, it varies by several hundreds of ms
20120317 20:59:35< mordante> yup, my results also differ by several ms, but it's consistently faster with the patch
20120317 20:59:37< JaMiT> zookeeper, yes, I can see that. I wasn't sure if checking the old state would be worth it, but it could be done.
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20120317 20:59:47< anonymissimus> so I could launch wesnoth 50 times with both variants now and take the difference of the averages but seems useless in comparison to the total amount
20120317 21:00:48< anonymissimus> ok I make a small statistics for you
20120317 21:01:53< zookeeper> JaMiT, well, i can't see any reason _not_ to check the old state, if it's easily doable. the only usecase would be toggling fog first off and then back on during the same turn after all.
20120317 21:02:01< neph> is there any system implemented, that would run N ai games and collect win loss stats? 
20120317 21:02:51< mordante> anonymissimus, I usually take three runs and look at the deviation
20120317 21:06:53< JaMiT> zookeeper, right. I had that thought too at one point, but wasn't sure if it was "right".
20120317 21:08:08< JaMiT> Seems more right with a second opinion.
20120317 21:11:40< anonymissimus> since I accidentally clicked rebuilt I need to wait 30 mins or so until I can test again :(
20120317 21:11:51< mordante> :-(
20120317 21:12:01< zookeeper> JaMiT, certainly never hurts to get a second opinion ;)
20120317 21:16:25< anonymissimus> JaMiT: I'm someone to ask as well probably; however, I subscribe to zookeeper on the matter
20120317 21:16:40< shadowm> wesbot: seen boucman
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20120317 21:17:57< anonymissimus> JaMiT: are you a wml coder  ? I mean, do you have some addons or so ? you answer questions in the forum so I supposed you must have some experience and can actually decide things yourself
20120317 21:17:59< JaMiT> So that's a third opinion? The more the merrier. :)
20120317 21:18:53< JaMiT> I have been working on a campaign, but it's still in progress.
20120317 21:19:59< shadowm> can anyone see why the if/else paths in this animation WML would trigger at random instead of at the expected times? (i.e. when hits=yes and hits=no respectively) http://pastebin.com/HC2SigeN
20120317 21:20:18< anonymissimus> well mine is also in progress, since BfW 1.4
20120317 21:21:12< CIA-69> mordante * r53550 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
20120317 21:21:12< CIA-69> Slightly optimize the reading of files.
20120317 21:21:12< CIA-69> By caching the data from the stream instead of extracting a byte at a
20120317 21:21:12< CIA-69> time the code gets slightly faster (+/- 60 ms).
20120317 21:21:38< anonymissimus> shadowm: IIRC the values are hit/miss/kill
20120317 21:21:47< anonymissimus> not yes/no
20120317 21:21:57< shadowm> most animation WML in mainline yses yes/no
20120317 21:22:00< shadowm> *uses
20120317 21:22:12< shadowm> IIRC yes stands for hit,kill and no for miss, or something
20120317 21:23:00< shadowm> the wiki confirms
20120317 21:24:01< anonymissimus> anyway...I never understood that chapter...and why there is an hit=no in the [else] anyway
20120317 21:24:36< anonymissimus> and what would happen if I put hits=yes into it as well hehe
20120317 21:26:36< shadowm> mordante: that optimization sounds fishy; what's the point?
20120317 21:27:18< shadowm> it even introduces a conspicuous array
20120317 21:29:30< mordante> what do you mean with `conspicuous array'?
20120317 21:30:02< mordante> the point obviously it that it improves the speed
20120317 21:30:12< shadowm> that it's an array with a seemingly arbitrary size, thus conspicuous
20120317 21:30:41< mordante> if you read the comment its size has been determined experimentally
20120317 21:30:53< shadowm> yes, but is it 100% guranteed to be safe and not impact any users? if not, is the improvement really that significant to be worth it?
20120317 21:31:25< shadowm> (sorry, but after the thonsew thing I can't help but be paranoid about marginal performance optimizations)
20120317 21:31:36 * Espreon agrees
20120317 21:33:06< mordante> yes it is safe
20120317 21:33:25< shadowm> the sole fact that a comment points out a workaround for platform differences makes me shudder
20120317 21:33:40< mordante> no it does not
20120317 21:33:54< mordante> every call to the get() needs to create a sentry object
20120317 21:34:14< mordante> by caching the data that object doesn't need to be created for every call
20120317 21:34:21< shadowm> it says something about char signedness, so yes, it does
20120317 21:35:01< mordante> the signedness of char depends on the platform
20120317 21:35:15< shadowm> exactly
20120317 21:36:01< shadowm> anyway I guess that if this breaks anywhere, the results will be anything but non-obvious.
20120317 21:36:31< shadowm> I can only test on amd64 Linux, myself.
20120317 21:38:51< anonymissimus> well let's see
20120317 21:39:02< shadowm> Okay, I thing I figured out what's wrong with my animation. That's only a macro included within the real animation, and the real animation has a supposedly unrelated [if]/[else] sequence. That appears to interfer in a seemingly non-deterministic manner.
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20120317 21:41:13< shadowm> e.g. http://pastebin.com/5SfLZjwZ
20120317 21:45:48< shadowm> the wiki claims I can have multiple [if]/[else] blocks but doesn't go into any more detail than that
20120317 22:08:16< anonymissimus> mordante: ok, seems I get an improvement of ~700 ms
20120317 22:15:33< mordante> anonymissimus, ah that's nice
20120317 22:17:33< anonymissimus> so does this affect wml loading as well ? I wouldn't call it "marginal"
20120317 22:17:58< anonymissimus> it probably miltiplies for large wml loadings such as multiplayer
20120317 22:19:09< anonymissimus> tonkenizer is something with the wml preprocessor afaik
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20120317 22:20:04< mordante> yes it's mainly about wml loading
20120317 22:20:24< mordante> looking at the preprocessor as well, that one is a bit more work
20120317 22:20:39< shadowm> anonymissimus: parser
20120317 22:20:44< shadowm> the preprocessor appears to use a different tokenizer of its own
20120317 22:20:57< mordante> and indeed 700 ms is indeed more than marginal
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20120317 22:21:35< shadowm> loading WML here takes seconds
20120317 22:21:50< shadowm> 0.7 seconds is unlikely to make much difference for me
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20120317 22:22:45< shadowm> it appears cache refreshing in 1.10 isn't working as I need/expect
20120317 22:23:56< anonymissimus> i need a script automatizing this launching
20120317 22:24:34< shadowm> never mind; it's simply that I finally found the theoretical glitch I found in my animations
20120317 22:24:52< shadowm> hm, I expected?
20120317 22:25:20< shadowm> maybe I'll call it a feature
20120317 22:26:32< shadowm> Animation WML is becoming increasingly rustrating to work with.
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20120317 22:32:41< anonymissimus> it seems I also get a few secs improvement in launching the test scenario
20120317 22:33:05< anonymissimus> about 1-2, without statistics this time
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20120317 22:33:22< mordante> nice :-)
20120317 22:33:32< anonymissimus> and with huge error tolerance due to messuring with a stopwatch
20120317 22:34:18< gabba> So... how are students gonna come to us if we're accepted into GSoC but not in the orgs list :P ?
20120317 22:35:25< shadowm> magic
20120317 22:35:45< gabba> Who you gonna call? Harry Potter.
20120317 22:35:47< Espreon> More like magick. We all know it's more magickal if it's spelled with a "k".®
20120317 22:36:37< shadowm> we don't subscribe to such ridiculous beliefs here
20120317 22:36:46< Espreon> According to whom?
20120317 22:37:13< shadowm> me
20120317 22:37:28< shadowm> also, current practice
20120317 22:37:44< Espreon> You're no fun.
20120317 22:38:05< shadowm> possibly
20120317 22:39:06< gabba> Unfortunately that "k" is patented and a registered trademark, so we'd have to pay license fees and can't use it in an open-source context. Sucks isn't it ;) .
20120317 22:39:45< Espreon> No, just that sentence.
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20120317 22:43:35< Ivanovic> gabba: we will be in the app list once noy finally does the mandatory step of the application
20120317 22:43:56< Ivanovic> gabba: and if he has not done it until i wake up next morning then i'll handle it and have him fill in the gaps
20120317 22:44:22< gabba> Thanks for clarifying, I was a bit worried about what was going on
20120317 22:45:17< Ivanovic> and yes, only after this mentors can apply and/or be invited in
20120317 22:45:24< Ivanovic> mordante: nice to hear about your improvements!
20120317 22:45:32< Ivanovic> i hope that they will also help speed up loading on the pandora
20120317 22:45:48< Ivanovic> mordante: i might try something different tomorrow in regards to utilizing valgrind
20120317 22:46:06< Ivanovic> heard in #openpandora that valgrind on arm does only completely cover armv5, not v7(a)
20120317 22:46:31< Ivanovic> so i'll change the cflags to a less optimised one (v5 should be included in v7a's backwards compatibility)
20120317 22:46:52< Ivanovic> then it *might* be possible to do some profiling
20120317 22:47:32< Ivanovic> mordante: but i have the impression that the starting time of two brothers is already down when compiling with my "default" cmake command
20120317 22:47:55< Ivanovic> so your work on integer downscaling was an improvement there!
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20120317 22:54:27< mordante> Ivanovic, ok, however I think compiling as v5 doesn't make much sense
20120317 22:54:42< mordante> v5 has no neon
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20120317 22:59:06< shadowm> Ivanovic: when will the GSoC thing be announced int he front page?
20120317 23:00:04< shadowm> in other words: are we also waiting on noy before announcing ourselves?
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20120317 23:28:45< mordante> Ivanovic, did you also with test r53550?
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20120317 23:29:01< Ivanovic> shadowm: yes
20120317 23:29:16< mordante> also measure its difference?
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20120317 23:29:25< shadowm> Ivanovic: bah
20120317 23:29:30< Ivanovic> mordante: no, not yet
20120317 23:29:40< Ivanovic> shadowm: the problem is that it is not visible that we are in gsoc
20120317 23:30:08< shadowm> yes, I noticed since I pulled that list at least five times today
20120317 23:30:12< mordante> ok, well I have a (way too ugly) patch for the preprocessor, shaving of another 60 ms on my box
20120317 23:30:34< mordante> anonymissimus, ^
20120317 23:30:36< shadowm> it's just a little annoying that other projects got to announce themselves already ;)
20120317 23:30:57< Ivanovic> shadowm: if noy has not done the stuff once i wake up in some 10h then i'll handle it and you can directly post the news
20120317 23:31:20< Ivanovic> or you can already write up the news and leave the draft somewhere where i can easily "activate" it eg by copying in
20120317 23:33:27< shadowm> nah, I'll leave that to you since it's mostly copy-paste and uploading a new logo
20120317 23:34:11< mordante> I'm off night
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