--- Log opened Fri Mar 23 00:00:18 2012
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20120323 00:00:18< shadowm> Espreon: the theme UI issue isn't that much about documentation but rather about the confusing design
20120323 00:00:31< fendrin> Espreon: It was already fine. I could not add anything to it.
20120323 00:00:40< shadowm> no matter how much documentation you provide, you can't turn a confusing mess a non-confusing mess.
20120323 00:00:47< Espreon> I suppose...
20120323 00:01:24< fendrin> Well, gui0 works slightly unconventional. But it is handleable.
20120323 00:01:49< shadowm> what is this gui0 you speak of?
20120323 00:02:00< fendrin> theme wml gui
20120323 00:02:55< fendrin> together with the hotkeys controller class system to handle the events.
20120323 00:03:06< shadowm> because for me gui0 is pretty much everything that doesn't use a stock UI loop (like *most* GUI1 dialogs do, and all GUI2 dialogs)
20120323 00:04:54< shadowm> more specifically, when I say GUI1 dialog I refer to gui::dialog, and when I say GUI1 widget I refer to gui::widget, and their derived classes.
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20120323 00:06:33< fendrin> I don't exactly know where the theme wml is handled.
20120323 00:06:42< fendrin> It might be in display.
20120323 00:07:22< shadowm> its UI loop can be pretty much anywhere
20120323 00:07:31< shadowm> because it doesn't have its own
20120323 00:08:12< shadowm> so yeah, that qualifies as gui0 in my book, but so does the loadscreen (which doesn't use gui1 widgets) and the Hotkeys preferences dialog (which does use gui1 widgets)
20120323 00:09:05< fendrin> so gui0 and gui1 aren't disjunct by your definition?
20120323 00:09:26< shadowm> certainly not
20120323 00:11:11< shadowm> well apparently in 1.10 the editor_controller is constructed and the loop starts immediately afterwards
20120323 00:11:39< shadowm> so if there is a workaround it must be in the constructor
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20120323 00:13:01< shadowm> hm, it also has a refresh_all() method that's called by the constructor, missing in trunk
20120323 00:13:30< fendrin> sounds promising
20120323 00:14:10< shadowm> yeah, but you are supposed to explain to me where that went/why it is gone ¬_¬
20120323 00:16:07< fendrin> did it solve the problem?
20120323 00:16:32< shadowm> no idea, since the problem didn't exist in 1.10
20120323 00:16:48< shadowm> and of course some of the function's requisites are gone in trunk, along with the function itself
20120323 00:16:55< shadowm> er s/function/method/
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20120323 00:19:39< shadowm> in other words: your refactoring has way too many untested ramifications
20120323 00:20:10< CIA-69> alarantalara * r53612 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/utils/map-utils.cfg: clean up winter mask rules, fixes bug #19577
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20120323 00:21:15< fendrin> Alarantalara: Thank you
20120323 00:21:56< Alarantalara> no problem. Looking at it and 1.8, it seems that there is water under the bridge and no snow around great trees
20120323 00:22:04< Alarantalara> do you want me to do something about that as well?
20120323 00:22:06< shadowm> incidentally, when I refactor code I try to keep functionality identical during the critical steps, meaning identical bugs and features to the original code
20120323 00:22:32< fendrin> shadowm: refresh_all is part of the context_manager now.
20120323 00:22:59< shadowm> great, that's what you should have told me about 8 minutes ago 
20120323 00:23:19< fendrin> gui().rebuild_all();
20120323 00:23:24< fendrin> is what is useful inside.
20120323 00:25:08< fendrin> Alarantalara: To be honest the whole map is just depricated. I would have redrawn it ages ago if I would't suck at mapping.
20120323 00:26:01< fendrin> I just don't have a good idea for that scenario's map.
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20120323 00:28:20< Alarantalara> I'll do the bridge then, since it has no effect on game play
20120323 00:29:49< fendrin> okay
20120323 00:30:08< CIA-69> alarantalara * r53613 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/utils/map-utils.cfg: extend ice under bridges and catch a missed hill from a later scenario
20120323 00:30:20< fendrin> shadowm: Well, the gui().rebuild_all(); did not solve the problem.
20120323 00:30:35< shadowm> I already noticed
20120323 00:32:37< CIA-69> alarantalara * r53614 /branches/1.10/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/utils/map-utils.cfg: backport r53612, r53613 to 1.10; fixes bug #19577 there
20120323 00:32:55< Fimbululfr> hi! Could someone help me with generating the project file for msvc9?
20120323 00:33:41< Fimbululfr> I have donwloaded the trunk and followed the Readme.txt in projectfiles\VC9
20120323 00:34:21< Fimbululfr> but I get "Could not find Gettext"  and "Could not find Libintl"
20120323 00:35:59< Fimbululfr> when running the wesnoth-msvc9.bat
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20120323 00:48:23< Alarantalara> Anyone interested in abilities: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=36436
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20120323 00:49:32< Alarantalara> I'm considering changing it so that float or doubles are used instead of integers for the math so that the limit of 3-5 multiplicative abilties for most effects is removed
20120323 00:50:19< Alarantalara> But I wanted to know if anyone knew the reason for not using floating point numbers in the first place
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20120323 01:00:04< Alarantalara> They were integer only until r11080, and changed to the present form in the next commit
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20120323 04:06:55< CIA-69> alarantalara * r53615 /trunk/src/unit_abilities.cpp: use floats to calculate multplier effects in order to avoid errors when more than 3-4 multiply effects are applied
20120323 04:09:08< Alarantalara> A note about r53615: I chose a method that preserved the current model as closely as possible and to ensure that there were no side effects
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20120323 04:10:29< Alarantalara> there may be faster/simpler solutions
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20120323 04:12:48< Alarantalara> assuming no-one complains/reverts it, I'll add a note to the changelog about this in about 20 hours
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20120323 04:27:14< fendrin> shadowm: I have it. Fixed the bug. I hope the fix does not have side effects causing more bugs. Thanks for your help.
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20120323 13:23:57< AI0867> alarantalara: if you want to avoid errors, why are you using single-precision? (not that you likely need more...)
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20120323 16:42:18< ancestral> How long has devdocs.wesnoth.org been around for?
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20120323 18:49:49-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: Wesnoth accepted in GSoC 2012 | http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas | 168 bugs, 326 feature requests, 18 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20120323 18:56:40< anonymissimus> timotei: are you sure that the ...\VC10\*.user files should be under version control ?
20120323 18:56:52< timotei> No. They shouldn't.
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20120323 18:58:53< anonymissimus> ok, but you added them nonetheless when you made the VC10 projectfile :P
20120323 18:59:32< timotei> Yes? I didn't spot that, and I think I have *.user files in .gitignore
20120323 18:59:36< anonymissimus> I try to recreate the VC10 solution from the VC9 one after all that refactoring
20120323 18:59:41< timotei> :))
20120323 19:00:15< anonymissimus> Error	16	error C2780: 'bool boost::detail::function::basic_vtable5<R,T0,T1,T2,T3,T4>::assign_to(const boost::reference_wrapper<FunctionObj> &,boost::detail::function::function_buffer &,boost::detail::function::function_obj_ref_tag)' : expects 3 arguments - 2 provided	c:\wesnoth\externalvc10\include\boost\function\function_template.hpp	539
20120323 19:00:50< anonymissimus> from what it looks that one was introduced by the addon refactoring; I hope a boost update will solve it
20120323 19:01:22< shadowm> +what Boost version are you using and what's the complete error log?
20120323 19:03:14< anonymissimus> the error log is rather complete with that paste
20120323 19:03:34< shadowm> not really. That doesn't tell me where that was included from.
20120323 19:04:37< anonymissimus> yup that would be great if I had an inclusion graph or something
20120323 19:04:40< anonymissimus> 1_46_1
20120323 19:04:52< anonymissimus> is the boost version
20120323 19:05:09< anonymissimus> it showed up when compiling manager_ui.cpp
20120323 19:05:11< shadowm> gcc here usually dumps the entire inclusion path when something goes wrong with code from an inclusion
20120323 19:05:51< anonymissimus> so that file probably includes it as the last child
20120323 19:06:31< anonymissimus> anyway, I don't expect you do go hunting that now unless you have some quick idea
20120323 19:06:41< shadowm> manager_ui.cpp -> addon/client.hpp -> network_asio.hpp -> ??? is the last inclusion at the beginning
20120323 19:06:48< shadowm> no, I have to go hunt that down
20120323 19:06:56< shadowm> we support Boost 1.36.0 and later
20120323 19:07:36< anonymissimus> ah well it could also be that boost bug
20120323 19:07:45< shadowm> of course it'd help me a lot if you could find out more about this problem since I only have 1.48.0 installed
20120323 19:09:58< anonymissimus> yes; perhaps it's that wesnothd boost bug problem which was present already when timotei compiled first; don't be too alarmed
20120323 19:12:35< timotei> hmm
20120323 19:13:25< timotei> I remember I've managed to successfully compile the project with VC10 once...
20120323 19:13:46< timotei> I even created that upgraded external archive IIRC
20120323 19:13:48< timotei> or not?
20120323 19:17:37< fendrin> shadowm: I have fixed the drawing issue. Mostly. There are now some issues with gui elements that are not ready at the right time gut I can handle that hopefully. Thanks for your help.
20120323 19:18:04< fendrin> s/gut/but
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20120323 19:20:41< anonymissimus> shadowm: its just that boost bug, sry for alarm
20120323 19:21:45< anonymissimus> and the bug is marked fixed at the boost tracker so when I update the package it should be fine
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20120323 19:23:20< shadowm> fendrin: what did you fix again?
20120323 19:33:31< anonymissimus> timotei: yup; you compiled successfully several times
20120323 19:33:53 * anonymissimus wonders about timotei's weak memory
20120323 19:34:18< anonymissimus> but wesnothd didn't built
20120323 19:35:58< fendrin> shadowm: THe black background issue.
20120323 19:36:21< shadowm> I still see it
20120323 19:37:16< fendrin> Yes, the commit will follow soon. I just told you to avoid you investing more time in an already solved problem.
20120323 19:47:05< anonymissimus> shadowm: isn't there an SDK dir in the wesnoth umc repo where I can put such stuff ?
20120323 19:47:18< anonymissimus> "software dev kit"
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20120323 19:56:04< anonymissimus> apparently not; can I make one there for uploading build packages ?
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20120323 20:10:28< shadowm> anonymissimus: that doesn't sound like UMC
20120323 20:10:43< shadowm> or you are not being clear enough
20120323 20:14:55< CIA-69> anonymissimus * r53616 /trunk/projectfiles/VC10/ (15 files): recreated the VC10 solution from the VC9 one
20120323 20:15:20< anonymissimus> well, there seems to be many stuff there which is "wesnoth-related" but not UMC
20120323 20:16:27< shadowm> all of it is UMC related
20120323 20:16:42< shadowm> or used by the project staff there
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20120323 20:34:02< mordante> servus
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20120323 20:34:42< mordante> fendrin, you were looking for me
20120323 20:36:03< mordante> faryshta, regarding the server we don't have a complete feature list, however there is a LaTeX draft
20120323 20:38:06< mordante> shadowm, no opinion on https://gna.org/bugs/?12810, but don't have time to investigate further
20120323 20:38:43< fendrin> hi mordante
20120323 20:38:54< mordante> hi fendrin 
20120323 20:40:46< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20120323 20:40:52< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20120323 20:48:03< ejls> Hi, I found a bug and wrote a small patch (41 lines) correcting it, should I attach the patch to the bug report or is it better to submit a bug report and a patch item?
20120323 20:48:26< mordante> ejls, best a patch
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20120323 20:48:56< ejls> ok, thanks.
20120323 20:49:51< shadowm> mordante: LaTeX draft which you yourself said is incomplete and not even up for improvements for some reason
20120323 20:51:27< mordante> shadowm, yes so does that contradict what I just said?
20120323 20:52:10< Espreon> Note that I already gave faryshta a pdf of the draft.
20120323 20:52:13< shadowm> it doesn't contradict it, but it's rather questionable from my point of view
20120323 20:52:13< Espreon> ... so... yeah.
20120323 20:52:45< shadowm> especially considering I was never told it would become a GSoC project candidate in the first place
20120323 20:54:31< shadowm> elias: out of curiosity, what are the criteria used for including user-made campaigns in units.wesnoth.org?
20120323 20:55:03< elias> shadowm: anything which has no errors here: http://units.wesnoth.org/1.10/overview.html
20120323 20:55:35< shadowm> ah
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20120323 20:56:29< elias> shadowm: is there any campaign which should be there which is not?
20120323 20:57:35< shadowm> I know my campaigns are not there because they show up with errors, but I'm not sure whether to consider that a problem or not.
20120323 20:57:59< elias> which campaigns? i'll try and fix the errors
20120323 20:58:47< shadowm> mainly because I have always tried to design them in such a way the player gets to meet more previously unknown units as the campaign progresses
20120323 20:59:08< elias> ah
20120323 20:59:23< shadowm> After_the_Storm and Invasion_from_the_Unknown, but at least in the case of AtS it won't be trivial, especially once the next version is out
20120323 20:59:31< elias> yeah, i guess units.wesnoht.org makes more sense for eras
20120323 21:00:55< shadowm> (2009-12-10) <shadowmaster> I am unworthy. I misspelled "Wesnoth".
20120323 21:01:23< elias> :P
20120323 21:04:07< elias> hm, i don't understand why it has a parse error
20120323 21:06:00< elias> oh, LE is only defined after the campaign is selected maybe, hm
20120323 21:06:13 * elias compiles wesnoth and tries there
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20120323 21:11:34< shadowm> elias: yeah, and its exact definition varies according to which episode was selected by the player
20120323 21:11:53< elias> it works though
20120323 21:12:04< elias> just not in wmlunits
20120323 21:12:20< shadowm> of course it works in-game :p
20120323 21:12:31< elias> yeah, very strange
20120323 21:12:34< shadowm> I always run manual and automated tests before publishing a new version
20120323 21:12:48< elias> do you know where LE gets defined when just listing all campaigns?
20120323 21:13:16< shadowm> it won't get defined if the player doesn't select the AtS campaigns
20120323 21:13:25< shadowm> that is, it's an AtS-specific macro
20120323 21:13:36< elias> it still parses base-loader.cfg though
20120323 21:13:56< elias> ah, i see
20120323 21:14:07< elias> it doesn't
20120323 21:14:15< shadowm> there are three [campaign] entries, all of them with different ids but identical main define symbols (CAMPAIGN_AFTER_THE_STORM)
20120323 21:14:35< shadowm> each of them also has a different extra_defines entry (i.e. CAMPAIGN_AFTER_THE_STORM_EPISODE_I and so on)
20120323 21:14:48< elias> yeah
20120323 21:14:53< elias> i need to handle extra_defines somehow
20120323 21:15:22< shadowm> in any case I don't feel this to be important for AtS as I said above
20120323 21:15:45< shadowm> no idea about other campaigns, though (in particular, although I wrote IftU, it is now maintained by Espreon)
20120323 21:16:50< CIA-69> elias * r53617 /trunk/data/tools/unit_tree/html_output.py: [wmlunits] Ignore hidden units also in the navigation bar.
20120323 21:17:33< shadowm> in fact, in AtS' case I could easily provide a fix in the WML for wmlunits by defining LE to an empty macro if the extra_defines symbols are somehow missing
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20120323 21:40:45< CIA-69> elias * r53618 /trunk/data/tools/ (unit_tree/wiki_output.py wmlunits): [wmlunits] Set extra_defines from [campaign] in addition to the campaign define.
20120323 21:45:52< mordante> I'm off bye
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20120323 21:48:23< shadowm> mordante: will you ever tell me what it is you do to detect issues like missing fields in constructor initializer lists?
20120323 21:48:44< shadowm> the gcc documentation wasn't exactly helpful
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20120323 22:00:13< elias> valgrind would probably detect it at runtime
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20120323 22:31:39< loonycyborg> shadowm: iirc he uses cppcheck to find missing initializers.
20120323 22:33:52< CIA-69> espreon * r53619 /trunk/po/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Updated the Latin translation.
20120323 22:38:55< CIA-69> espreon * r53620 /branches/1.10/ (13 files in 12 dirs): Updated the Latin translation.
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20120323 23:30:45< rosta> Hi, I just made a small change to data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/2_Tutorial.cfg to fix a i18n issue. Now I want to test it but "make update-po" does not work any longer. How do I update the po files nowadays?
20120323 23:32:08< Espreon> make po-update-<lang_code>
20120323 23:32:35< Espreon> So, for example: make po-update-ang
20120323 23:33:07< rosta> make: *** No rule to make target `po-update-ang'.  Stop.
20120323 23:33:21< elias> maybe scons update-po
20120323 23:33:31< Espreon> You need to enable the POT_UPDATE thing in CMake.
20120323 23:34:01< rosta> how do I "enable the POT_UPDATE thing in CMake"?
20120323 23:34:54< Espreon> Sorry, it's actually ENABLE_POT_UPDATE_TARGET. Either use "ccmake ." or "cmake -i" to get to the point where you can enable it.
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20120323 23:48:31< rosta> hmmmm... running "make po-update-de" did not change anything in the po files...
20120323 23:49:00< Espreon> That's because they're up-to-date with the .pot file.
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20120323 23:49:19< Espreon> If you want to update the .pot file, run make pot-update.
20120323 23:49:49< Espreon> *.pot files
20120323 23:54:15< rosta> wow, "make pot-update" seems to take a while... :-)
20120323 23:56:04< Espreon> Yup.
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20120323 23:57:14 * vultraz wonders why translations have .po extentions
20120323 23:58:18< Espreon> They're translation catalogues.
20120323 23:59:03< vultraz> yes, I know, but why are they called po files
20120323 23:59:36< Espreon> "po" apparently stands for "portable object"
20120323 23:59:47< Espreon> http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/gettext_5.html#Files
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