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20120325 00:01:22< CIA-69> espreon * r53645 /branches/1.10/po/ (wesnoth-help/en_GB.po wesnoth-low/en_GB.po): Updated the British English translation.
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20120325 00:27:56< CIA-69> espreon * r53646 /branches/resources/image-localization/fr/ (dead-water.xcf farnorth.xcf): Added xcfs of the French Far North maps.
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20120325 00:35:52< CIA-69> espreon * r53647 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Updated localized images for French.
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20120325 00:42:37< CIA-69> espreon * r53648 /branches/1.10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Updated localized images for French.
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20120325 01:40:07< naman22> hey any one there
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20120325 01:40:29< shadowm> nope
20120325 01:41:00< naman22> i meant from the ogranization
20120325 01:41:55< shadowm> well, I'm a Wesnoth developer and forum administrator, but I'm not sure whether that's what you need right now
20120325 01:42:21< naman22> wanted to talk about GSoC
20120325 01:43:16< shadowm> I may be able to help with general questions, but I'm not too familiarized with the areas involved with the proposed GSoC ideas, other than the add-ons server
20120325 01:43:40< naman22> i see
20120325 01:43:53< naman22> when are people usually active
20120325 01:44:44< shadowm> in general, many of our people live in Europe, so they are usually easier to reach during daytime by the CET (Central European Time) timezone
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20120325 01:45:31< shadowm> (whether that should be morning, noon or evening varies from person to person)
20120325 01:45:45< naman22> cool thanks :)
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20120325 05:52:28< CIA-69> jetryl * r53649 /trunk/data/core/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Doubled frame count of skeleton attack anim.
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20120325 09:39:08< mordante> servus
20120325 09:40:33< mordante> Alarantalara if you fear OOS errors I wouldn't switch to floating point, but to long long instead
20120325 09:40:53< mordante> also a short comment in the source would be nice
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20120325 09:45:23< CIA-69> mordante * r53650 /trunk/src/events.cpp: Remove a redundant declaration.
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20120325 09:56:56< Ivanovic> moin
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20120325 10:05:05< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20120325 10:06:41< naman22> i have a ques regarding GSoC
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20120325 10:08:18< naman22> can i use my code as a college project
20120325 10:08:20< mordante> naman22, I assume you have a question? Please don't abbreviate not everybody is a native speaker
20120325 10:08:48< mordante> naman22, mainly depends whether our college allows it
20120325 10:08:57< naman22> my college does
20120325 10:09:15< mordante> the code you do for GSoC is available under the GPL, so if your college has no issue with it, so don't we
20120325 10:09:16< naman22> but would it voilet law or something
20120325 10:10:55< naman22> actually it would be hosted online at our college site
20120325 10:10:56< mordante> that depends, some colleges claim all code written by their students is their intellectual property...
20120325 10:11:21< mordante> they are free to host the code, the GPL is about sharing
20120325 10:11:57< mordante> they can't however build their own version of Wesnoth with your code and then distribute it under a different license as the GPL
20120325 10:12:37< mordante> (and I'm not a lawyer)
20120325 10:12:43< naman22> ;P
20120325 10:12:59< mordante> but we don't have a problem if you use GSoC code as a college project
20120325 10:13:13< naman22> k
20120325 10:13:23< naman22> what if my project take more time
20120325 10:13:30< naman22> is it an issue
20120325 10:13:44< naman22> 'cause i want to be a part of wesnoth after that too
20120325 10:14:14< mordante> it needs to be 'finished' during GSoC but you're allowed to work on it after the GSoC
20120325 10:14:46< mordante> so if your project is too large for GSoC it needs to be scaled down to fit in GSoC and the rest can be done afterwards
20120325 10:15:07< naman22> if that's the case 
20120325 10:15:26< naman22> i'm gonna propose for particle engine in the animation engine
20120325 10:15:46< mordante> ah cool
20120325 10:16:08< naman22> and yes since i'm from india
20120325 10:16:16< naman22> timing is a major problem
20120325 10:16:47< mordante> the trick is to divide the project in several milestones and make some milestones optional
20120325 10:16:49< naman22> what is boucman online
20120325 10:17:01< naman22> when*
20120325 10:17:38< mordante> not sure, it's still morning where he lives, but he could appear any moment
20120325 10:17:48< mordante> do you have experience with particle engines?
20120325 10:18:18< naman22> i have used cocos2d particle system
20120325 10:18:26< naman22> and some directx and openGL
20120325 10:18:57< naman22> so i guess with little help i can get the job done
20120325 10:19:55< mordante> I'm not really familiar with particle engines, nor with OpenGL or directx
20120325 10:20:29< mordante> do directX and OpenGL have complete particle engines or do you need to develop them entirely?
20120325 10:21:16< naman22> you can get third party that runs over it
20120325 10:23:44< mordante> this project is about writing the low level engine using SDL
20120325 10:24:04< naman22> i see
20120325 10:25:02< naman22> just one more thing
20120325 10:25:21< naman22> is it nessary to use linux for your project
20120325 10:25:39< naman22> because i do most of my coding in windows
20120325 10:26:06< Ivanovic> our devs can use whatever they want
20120325 10:26:19< Ivanovic> no matter if linux, osx or even windows
20120325 10:26:35< shadowm> there are two developers who use Windows almost exclusively, and two developers who use Mac OS X exclusively. The only real requirement is that our code stays as cross-platform as possible
20120325 10:27:14< naman22> i do have fair idea of linux and mac 
20120325 10:27:23< naman22> but i feel comfortable with windows
20120325 10:27:33< mordante> that's no problem
20120325 10:27:56< shadowm> so, for example, relying on platform features or libraries that are only available on one operating system is not advisable for any component. As long as you stick to that, you shouldn't even need to do any testing on multiple platforms yourself.
20120325 10:28:29< naman22> understood
20120325 10:28:59< naman22> does websnoth have a particle system?
20120325 10:29:14< naman22> or is it going to be written from sratch
20120325 10:29:19< mordante> no, that's why we have this GSoC project ;-)
20120325 10:29:22< timotei> naman22: I've used my project for university 2 times :)
20120325 10:29:30< timotei> naman22: that is, present it as semester project.
20120325 10:29:47< naman22> timotei: cool
20120325 10:29:59< naman22> i'll get some extra credits then   ;)
20120325 10:31:21< timotei> shadowm: two devs that use exclusively linux!?
20120325 10:31:33< timotei> shadowm: I might be one of them... but who's the other one?
20120325 10:31:36< shadowm> timotei: I never said that. Read again.
20120325 10:31:44< timotei> almost*
20120325 10:31:54< timotei> Ah, didn't see that :P
20120325 10:31:56< timotei> Sorry
20120325 10:34:22< timotei> So... today DST is on...
20120325 10:34:32< timotei> Didn't know why I had a feeling I didn't get enough sleep 
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20120325 10:39:34< shadowm> fendrin_: could you take care of using the _exact_ copyright notice format _and_ the SVN Id line at the top as in boilerplate-header.cpp in the future?
20120325 10:41:59< shadowm> and avoid that 2012 - 2012 thing as well
20120325 10:42:52< shadowm> or committing conflict markers, for that matter
20120325 10:47:27< CIA-69> shadowmaster * r53651 /trunk/src/editor/ (11 files in 4 dirs): editor: Fix various copyright notice inconsistencies and missing Id lines
20120325 10:48:51< CIA-69> shadowmaster * r53652 /trunk/src/editor/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Fix SVN properties
20120325 10:49:43< mordante> timotei, do you put on an alarm in the weekend?
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20120325 10:51:46< timotei> mordante: yep :)
20120325 10:52:15< timotei> This reminds me to better sleep and wake up earlier
20120325 10:52:35< timotei> But sometimes I put it just in case I sleep too much xD
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20120325 10:55:22< mordante> timotei, ah I only do it when I need to do something and that's rarely on Sunday
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20120325 10:56:51< timotei> Heh, cool
20120325 10:57:25< timotei> In the week I wake at 7-7.30 every morning... so I couldn't sleep more in the two weekend days anyway :()
20120325 10:57:31< timotei> I can't sleep*
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20120325 11:01:53< mordante> me too, so often I'm awake early in the weekend :-(
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20120325 11:41:40< 31NAA3ANH> Hello
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20120325 11:42:14< hankerspace> I have a problem when i try to compile with scons
20120325 11:43:08< hankerspace> He tolds me which i dont have "boost thread library" but i've installed libboost1.46-dev
20120325 11:43:43< hankerspace> And i dont find other packages with this required library
20120325 11:43:57< hankerspace> (i'm using kubuntu)
20120325 11:49:17< IvanSav> hi. Some questions regarding addon server and wescamp.
20120325 11:49:35< loonycyborg> hankerspace: Look in build/config.log for exact error message.
20120325 11:50:04< IvanSav> on wescamp I only see .po files. How they get compiled into .mo?
20120325 11:50:58< loonycyborg> IvanSav: msgfmt foo.po -o foo.mo :P
20120325 11:51:03< hankerspace> loonycyborg: g++ -o build/sconf_temp/conftest_15 -pthread build/sconf_temp/conftest_15.o -L/usr/lib -lm -lboost_iostreams-mt -lSDL -lSDL_net -lboost_system-mt -lboost_thread-mt
20120325 11:51:03< hankerspace> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lboost_thread-mt
20120325 11:51:16< mordante> Ivanovic, I read your mail regarding 1.10.2 should we also backport some of the Pandora patches?
20120325 11:51:32< IvanSav> loonycyborg: ok. But who does that?
20120325 11:51:36< hankerspace> loonycyborg: He tolds me he can't find -lboost_thread-mt
20120325 11:51:37< Ivanovic> mordante: if the stuff is tested enough and shows to be "good": sure
20120325 11:52:09< IvanSav> loonycyborg: wescamp.py doesn't have that, campaign_server doesn't have that
20120325 11:52:11< loonycyborg> hankerspace: You lack libboost-thread-dev or whatever it's called.
20120325 11:52:31< mordante> Ivanovic, you're the tester :-P, but I can keep them between #ifdef PANDORA
20120325 11:52:54< loonycyborg> iirc libboost1.46-dev only installs header-only libs.
20120325 11:53:36< hankerspace> Oh, thank you, i didnt know the  libboost-thread-dev package
20120325 11:53:40< loonycyborg> IvanSav: That is done as part of compiling wesnoth.
20120325 11:53:40< mordante> hankerspace, you need more boost libraries: program-options, iostreams, regex, system, thread and optionally test
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20120325 11:54:12< mordante> and obviously their dev packages for compilation
20120325 11:54:17< hankerspace> Yes, i'll try with, thanks mordante
20120325 11:54:24< mordante> you're welcome
20120325 11:54:49< IvanSav> loonycyborg: and what about addons? They also can have translations but don't have any kind of compilation
20120325 11:55:18< loonycyborg> Actually no idea. I don't know much about translated addons :P
20120325 11:55:22< mordante> IvanSav, they are now done manually, but that needs to be automated
20120325 11:55:48< loonycyborg> But msgfmt is definitely the general solution
20120325 11:56:39< mordante> yup
20120325 11:57:04< IvanSav> mordante: thanks. So somebody runs msgfmt manually on server.
20120325 11:58:14< mordante> IvanSav, no sombebody downloads from Wescamp, creates the translations and uploads to the addon server
20120325 11:58:40< mordante> ... and that's the theory, the practice is that most translations never make it to the addon server :-(
20120325 12:00:29< IvanSav> mordante: why? everyone is just too lazy to upload them? 
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20120325 12:01:28< mordante> IvanSav, most addon developers are not really `into the command-line'
20120325 12:02:32< hankerspace> I'm new in this project and i want to try to add a button during the first didactiel which add the feature to skip the sceniaro after the player kills the first Quintain, actually after kill it, a message appears on each turn asking if the player wants to continue the scenario or skip him. That's a little modification but for the begining i think it's enought ? Do you have some advises ? 
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20120325 12:05:48< loonycyborg> hankerspace: I bet that can be done purely in WML :P
20120325 12:06:33< CIA-69> mordante * r53653 /trunk/ (57 files in 5 dirs): 
20120325 12:06:34< CIA-69> Added unit tests for blending images.
20120325 12:06:34< CIA-69> This test is added to test modifications of the algorithm. It also adds a
20120325 12:06:34< CIA-69> programme to create the test images. And the test images to test whether
20120325 12:06:34< CIA-69> the output of the algorithm remains the same after changing the algorithm.
20120325 12:06:34< CIA-69> loonycyborg can you add this new programme to scons.
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20120325 12:08:20< hankerspace> You think loonycyborg ? Add a button like "next turn" in WML ?
20120325 12:08:50< hankerspace> In the 1_turorial.cfg file ?
20120325 12:09:06< mordante> hankerspace, why a button and not a menu item, after killing the first puppet?
20120325 12:09:52< loonycyborg> Ah. So you want to add a button next to end turn button?
20120325 12:10:20< loonycyborg> Then not really sure.
20120325 12:10:36< hankerspace> Yes mordante, but i think a button above "next to end turn" will be more friendly
20120325 12:11:20< loonycyborg> Though C++ changes for sake of a single scenario will probably be frowned upon.
20120325 12:11:25< hankerspace> Because i want to take off the actual message which is not really fun and is prtetty ennoying
20120325 12:12:01< mordante> hankerspace, might be, but that's not trivial to do, adding a menu item is
20120325 12:12:53< mordante> hankerspace, and what loonycyborg said
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20120325 12:13:44< hankerspace> Ok mordante and a message can inform player after killing the fist puppet can be "to skip this tutorial use the menu", it can be nice
20120325 12:14:39< mordante> or better show the current dialog and tell if the player decides no s/he can use the menu item to end the scenario
20120325 12:15:06< mordante> have a look at the test-scenario to see how a menu item is added
20120325 12:15:41< hankerspace> Yes, good idea, i'll try to work on
20120325 12:15:53< mordante> good luck
20120325 12:16:10< hankerspace> thanks
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20120325 12:30:27< lakatos> Good day
20120325 12:32:27< CIA-69> ivanovic * r53654 /branches/1.10/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated Galician translation
20120325 12:32:31< CIA-69> ivanovic * r53655 /trunk/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated Galician translation
20120325 12:34:06< lakatos> I'm a student thinking of working on Wesnoth for the Google Summer of code
20120325 12:34:52< lakatos> When would be the best time to return so I can ask the devs some questions?
20120325 12:37:57< CIA-69> loonycyborg * r53656 /trunk/src/SConscript: Added 'create_images' target to scons.
20120325 12:39:28< Ivanovic> lakatos: the best thing to do is ask questions and wait for replies
20120325 12:39:41< Ivanovic> yes, irc is not always "real time" and replies can sometimes take hours
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20120325 12:40:22< lakatos> I know
20120325 12:40:40< Ivanovic> with this i mean: the best time to ask questions is: "right now!"
20120325 12:40:49< Ivanovic> (which is constant and always true!)
20120325 12:40:54< lakatos> I was just wondering when is it the busiest here, so I can somewhat reduce the lag :)
20120325 12:41:15< Ivanovic> if you know the name of the dev to address then mention it in your question to make sure that dev sees the message in the logs
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20120325 12:46:30< lakatos> What I mostly would like to know is if there was any interest in the Whiteboard multiple CTK proposal
20120325 12:47:04< lakatos> I think I have to ask gabba, if I remember correctly
20120325 12:53:26< Ivanovic> lakatos: don't make your proposal depend on others proposing something
20120325 12:53:37< Ivanovic> just base the proposal on what *you* would like to work on
20120325 12:54:11< Ivanovic> yeah, we usually have >20 proposals per gsoc year so there will most likely be >1 proposal per idea
20120325 12:54:15< hankerspace> mordante: I've find some things, for example a new menu item is added with WML [set_menu_item] as Sapient said but nothingi can read if this code must be added in 1_tutorial.cfg :s do you have some tips ?
20120325 12:54:29< Ivanovic> (and don't forget that we can't mentor every proposed idea, we have limited mentoring capabilities)
20120325 13:02:41< Ivanovic> mordante: i am building a trunk binary for the pandora now to test if the startup feels okay or not
20120325 13:03:05< Ivanovic> mordante: using complete default settings for my pandora builds
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20120325 13:17:27< Ivanovic> mordante: okay, startup and speed in general is *better*
20120325 13:17:45< Ivanovic> that is: the delay between the loadscreen->black and the main menu displaying is down to about 1 to 2s
20120325 13:17:56< Ivanovic> loading the campaigns menu is down to maybe 3s
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20120325 13:18:15< Ivanovic> and the delay between the load screen and actually displaying the two brothers story art is close to zero
20120325 13:18:23< Ivanovic> so yeah, your improvements help a lot!
20120325 13:19:14< Ivanovic> of course creatubg tge caches and stuff like this still takes its time, but since a loadscreen is displayed there it is rather fine
20120325 13:19:26< Ivanovic> a/close to zero/about one second
20120325 13:23:49< hankerspace> Ok, i've added a menu item to skip the tutorial but i think i have some problems with translations, in the menu item i have : description=" Skip this tutorial" but my game is not in english and the message is still in english, is there a way to able descriptions to be translated ?
20120325 13:25:12< vultraz> you need to have a _ next to it. Plus the translations have to be provided.
20120325 13:25:34< vultraz> description= _ "Skip this tutorial"
20120325 13:25:47< vultraz> then someone has to translate that
20120325 13:26:25< hankerspace> Ok, but when this tutorial is finished, the button "end turn" change in "end scenario", maybe i can use the same text ?
20120325 13:27:21< vultraz> yeah, then the translation would already be there. 
20120325 13:27:40< hankerspace> Fine, i'll find this, thanks.
20120325 13:27:42< vultraz> I think
20120325 13:29:41< mordante> hankerspace, not sure what your exact problem is, can you rephrase your question?
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20120325 13:30:26< mordante> Ivanovic, cool :-)
20120325 13:30:49< Ivanovic> mordante: yes, very much so
20120325 13:30:58< hankerspace> mordante: sorry but i've already try on myself, my question was : the [set_menu_item] must be added in the .cfg of the scenario or in an other file ? And the awnser is : directly in the .cfg of the scenario
20120325 13:31:01< mordante> hankerspace, regarding translations, there is no magic that automatically translates stuff
20120325 13:31:20< mordante> just add a _ before the message and it will be up for translation later
20120325 13:31:43< mordante> we use gettext to do the translations, but still somebody needs to translate the string
20120325 13:31:49< hankerspace> Yes, or as vultraz said, i'll find the text "end of scenario", its already translated
20120325 13:32:10< mordante> yeah, just don't worry too much about translations
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20120325 13:32:33< mordante> good you found the other issue
20120325 13:34:35< mordante> Ivanovic, is the loading itself also faster? 
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20120325 13:35:24< mordante> I'm a bit more reluctant to port the buffered_istream to 1.10, since it's not #ifdef'ed
20120325 13:36:02< Ivanovic> mordante: i am not sure if the loading itself is faster or not
20120325 13:36:41< Ivanovic> that is: it feels really okay after the cache is created
20120325 13:36:55< Ivanovic> of course cache creation still takes a while which is no surprise
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20120325 13:37:36< Ivanovic> mordante: i just reflashed my pandora
20120325 13:37:55< Ivanovic> give me some time to get the pandora back to working with factory defaults
20120325 13:38:02< Ivanovic> then i'll try to compare 1.10 and trunk
20120325 13:38:03< mordante> ok
20120325 13:38:34< Ivanovic> (had some issue with the touchscreen not working as expected with the default kernel (not wesnoth related per se!))
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20120325 13:42:35< hankerspace> Ok, i've found _ "End Scenario" and i use it but if i want to change the caption : _"Do you want to keep practicing?" in _"Do you want to keep practicing? You can complete this scenario at any time using the right click. ", somebody will have to translate this sentence too ?
20120325 13:46:07< Ivanovic> mordante: what is more interesting, testing with cache creation or without?
20120325 13:46:12< Ivanovic> meaning: first run or 2nd run?
20120325 13:50:20< mordante> I would say the 2nd run, the first is only done once
20120325 13:52:19< hankerspace> I don't understand, i use _ "End Scenario" and this caption is not translated in the right menu click  but its translated in the button replacing "end turn" ...
20120325 13:52:53< Ivanovic> currently building (and copying files)
20120325 13:53:13< Ivanovic> this comparision will be latest trunk vs latest branches/1.10 with the respective data/ folder and *no* translation active
20120325 13:53:14< mordante> hankerspace, there are translation domains so the string also needs to be translated in the proper domain
20120325 13:53:36< mordante> hankerspace, as I said, don't bother about translations, they `fix' themselved
20120325 13:53:41< mordante> themselves*
20120325 13:54:24< hankerspace> Ok, so no matter if there is 2-3 sentences still in english in a complete translated tutorial ?
20120325 13:54:57< hankerspace> So know, maybe i should post on the forum and explain the modifications i did ?
20120325 13:57:04< Ivanovic> hankerspace: the "completely translated" part is a misconception on your side
20120325 13:57:22< Ivanovic> hankerspace: after you *CHANGE* (or add) a string, the translation is no longer complete
20120325 13:57:47< Ivanovic> though the new/changed string only becomes translateable after i run a pot-update
20120325 13:58:12< Ivanovic> once this pot-update is done translators can translate the string which results in it appearing ingame as translated, non-english (US) string
20120325 13:58:44< hankerspace> Oh, so it's normal to dont have translated sentences during developpement
20120325 13:58:58< hankerspace> Right, i understand
20120325 13:59:24< Ivanovic> exactly
20120325 14:00:11< hankerspace> And where i have to explain which modifications i've done ? On the forum ? 
20120325 14:04:22< hankerspace> (sorry it's my first modification in a shuch projetc and i dont really know the way to do ...)
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20120325 14:09:31< mordante> hankerspace, best discuss it here, most devs are here (and read the logs) and when you have something working best post a patch
20120325 14:09:43< mordante> patches.wesnoth.org
20120325 14:10:32< Ivanovic> okay, started each once to create the cache
20120325 14:10:45< Ivanovic> now to test via exact timing (meaning i look at my wristwatch)
20120325 14:11:50< hankerspace> Ok mordante, my modification was not really big but i tested and i works perfectly, i'll see to post a patch
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20120325 14:12:50< mordante> Ivanovic, btw just added a new option to wesmage to time the filters using clock() (not yet committed)
20120325 14:13:09< mordante> hankerspace, modifications don't need to be big to be useful ;-)
20120325 14:13:51< hankerspace> Yes mordante, and it was my first, it's really new for me to help a such project. 
20120325 14:17:46< Ivanovic> mordante: http://pastebin.com/4XnvsaAY
20120325 14:18:05< Ivanovic> please keep in mind that this is rough data and especially the loading times depend on the now different WML
20120325 14:18:12< Ivanovic> what matters is the "black screen" stuf
20120325 14:19:14< Ivanovic> what is easy to see is that the main menu is significantly faster and two brothers is now down close to zero extra scaling time
20120325 14:19:31< Ivanovic> what takes the longest with two brothers seems some terrain stuff
20120325 14:19:49< Ivanovic> and since there were changes in trunk the extra time for loading can maybe attributed to terrain work
20120325 14:20:44< mordante> that might be
20120325 14:21:00< mordante> but the black after change looks indeed impressive :-)
20120325 14:21:40< mordante> I'll port the changes later, first want to look at the blending algorithm
20120325 14:23:22< hankerspace> Sorry but i need some help to post a patch, i go in "add item", i explain what modifications i've done, i join the modified file but at the bottom, have i to add some emails 
20120325 14:25:42< Ivanovic> hankerspace: huh?
20120325 14:25:51< Ivanovic> are you at https://gna.org/patch/?func=additem&group=wesnoth ?
20120325 14:25:59< hankerspace> yes i'm here
20120325 14:26:15< hankerspace> and at the end of the form, did i have to add email adresses ?
20120325 14:26:25< Ivanovic> where?
20120325 14:26:43< hankerspace> just above "post"
20120325 14:26:43< Ivanovic> i see just the "attach files" section and "please enter the title of george orwell's(..)"
20120325 14:27:04< mordante> hankerspace, it would be best to create a GNA accout
20120325 14:27:07< mordante> account*
20120325 14:27:14< hankerspace> I've created it mordante
20120325 14:27:51< mordante> then no need to add emails
20120325 14:28:06< hankerspace> Alright, thanks mordante
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20120325 14:30:56< mordante> Ivanovic, did you see https://gna.org/patch/?3202 ?
20120325 14:32:23< Ivanovic> nope
20120325 14:32:47< mordante> it adds a new string
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20120325 14:34:38< Ivanovic> yeah, saw it
20120325 14:35:16< mordante> I first thought it was a translation, since he send more translation patches in the past
20120325 14:36:00< Ivanovic> i'll (try to) apply this one and will run a pot-update directly afterwards
20120325 14:36:10< mordante> ok
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20120325 14:39:08< Ivanovic> that is: i see that this was already improved in trunk
20120325 14:39:13< Ivanovic> i am copying the trunk change over
20120325 14:40:46< hankerspace> Ok, it's posted, i hope i done it right. 
20120325 14:41:41< CIA-69> ivanovic * r53657 /branches/1.10/data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/2_Tutorial.cfg: 
20120325 14:41:41< CIA-69> port r53185 from anonymissimus to branches/1.10, better fix for patch #3202
20120325 14:41:41< CIA-69> original commit message:
20120325 14:41:41< CIA-69> Gendrify a message. (fix for bug #19367)
20120325 14:44:20< CIA-69> ivanovic * r53658 /branches/1.10/ (104 files in 27 dirs): 
20120325 14:44:20< CIA-69> pot-update (one new string in tutorial)
20120325 14:44:20< CIA-69> regenerated doc files
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20120325 14:47:01< Ivanovic> wesbot: bug 19367
20120325 14:47:01< wesbot> Bug #19367  Assigned to: Anonymissimus <anonymissimus>  Status: Fixed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20120325 14:47:04< wesbot> Summary: Incomplete i18n in wesnoth-tutorial
20120325 14:47:07< wesbot> Original submission: I the wesnoth-tutorial campaign there is the sentence: "N
20120325 14:47:10< wesbot> o other units can reach that orc. I hope my $unit.type survives its counter-atta
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20120325 14:47:13< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?19367
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20120325 14:49:25< CIA-69> ivanovic * r53659 /branches/1.10/ (changelog players_changelog): added r53657 to the changelogs and fixed some stuff in the 1.10.1+svn entries (tense and style)
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20120325 15:20:06< IvanSav> mordante: regarding addon server - what do you think about replacing current login\password system with database from forum just like in multiplayer server?
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20120325 15:22:47< shadowm> there's no login system atm, even; just a passphrase that may or may not be unique to each add-on, and an admin passphrase
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20120325 15:27:47< IvanSav> shadowm: so what about replacing passphrases with existing users database? It already works for multiplayer so why not?
20120325 15:28:05< IvanSav> shadowm: or you don't like sending password in plain text?
20120325 15:29:02< shadowm> I certainly do not.
20120325 15:29:43< shadowm> Although, hopefully most people don't use their add-on passphrases elsewhere or let the game generate a random one for them on first upload.
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20120325 15:33:14< shadowm> Even then, I don't think the way phpBB authentication works at the client side allows for secure storage of passwords. I'd have to check again. I know for sure the MP code stores the password unencrypted at the client side, which is a problem should the user's preferences file become compromised.
20120325 15:41:36< shadowm> people: is it just me, or forums.wesnoth.org is being ridiculously slow right now?
20120325 15:41:55< shadowm> because with mobile broadband in a rural area you can never know
20120325 15:42:01< Alarantalara> It's slow (or at least it was 5 minutes ago)
20120325 15:42:21< shadowm> hm, the server vitals look fine to me
20120325 15:42:47< Alarantalara> and it's not just the forums, it's everything
20120325 15:44:14< shadowm> by everything I suppose you include static pages and processes like campaignd that don't rely on the db server?
20120325 15:44:38< Alarantalara> is the main page static?
20120325 15:44:49< shadowm> yes
20120325 15:44:53< Alarantalara> then yes
20120325 15:45:06< shadowm> (although it always incurs some extra overload for me and my connection since it includes externals off-site)
20120325 15:46:25< shadowm> hm, there's something I don't like in this graph
20120325 15:48:38< timotei21> IvanSav: why send passwords in plain text really?
20120325 15:50:01< IvanSav> timotei21: I was talking about current implementation of multiplayer
20120325 15:50:21< timotei21> :O
20120325 15:50:26< IvanSav> timotei21: but it looks like it sends only hash so no plain text
20120325 15:50:27< timotei21> Is it sending plain password? :-S
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20120325 15:50:31< timotei21> Ok, good :)
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20120325 15:50:56< IvanSav> but it stores it as plain-text on user pc :)
20120325 15:52:34< timotei21> xD
20120325 15:52:36< shadowm> but that hash can be easily stolen and used elsewhere in its hashed form, no?
20120325 15:52:55< timotei21> I don't think so...
20120325 15:53:27< shadowm> that is, maybe it protects against password theft and the implications for users who use identical passwords for more than one thing
20120325 15:53:40< shadowm> but I'm not so sure it protects against anything local to wesnoth.org
20120325 15:59:35< mordante> IvanSav, also a forum account is not required to upload an addon
20120325 15:59:54< mordante> IvanSav, logging in on the MP server is optional, the addon needs a password
20120325 16:00:18< shadowm> it's arguable whether we should require a forum account and topic, in fact
20120325 16:00:59< shadowm> it'd make contact authors so much easy for me
20120325 16:01:00< mordante> I see no reason to require it
20120325 16:01:04< shadowm> ,er contacting
20120325 16:01:17< mordante> therefor we want to add an email address
20120325 16:01:27< shadowm> we already have that and it's not very useful for the following reasons:
20120325 16:01:42< shadowm> 1) the address specified by the author doesn't have to be valid
20120325 16:02:13< shadowm> 2) I generally hesitate about emailing people I don't know
20120325 16:02:29< shadowm> luckily, very few people seem to be aware of (1)
20120325 16:02:53< mordante> if 1) we can remove the addon it there are issues
20120325 16:02:59< shadowm> but an email address can also expire for various reasons, whereas I never go on mass forum account killing sprees
20120325 16:03:37< mordante> 2) what's the reason that you hesitate to email people you don't know, but see no problem to send a forum PM?
20120325 16:04:26< shadowm> probably because at least in the case of forum PMs I can easily verify that the person I'm contacting knows about Wesnoth at all since that's the only way they can register in the first place
20120325 16:04:34< shadowm> for emails, we go back to (1)
20120325 16:05:09< shadowm> any moron could go and use my email address in campaignd right now, for example
20120325 16:05:32< Alarantalara> shadowm: whatever was causing the slowness seems to be gone now
20120325 16:05:33< shadowm> ideally umcd would have an email verification system at the very least
20120325 16:05:46< shadowm> Alarantalara: about one hundred instantaneous connections
20120325 16:06:33< shadowm> it doesn't seem gone for me
20120325 16:06:53< timotei21> For me neither
20120325 16:06:59< timotei21> Even http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/ is slow...
20120325 16:07:14< shadowm> okay, I'll pull the plug
20120325 16:07:17< timotei21> And it's been already 1 minute, and still didn't load up :P
20120325 16:07:30< Alarantalara> I suppose I just got lucky then
20120325 16:07:39< shadowm> I assume that if someone was downloading 100 git-svn tarballs they'd have told us here
20120325 16:07:40< timotei21> Ok... it loaded part of the page
20120325 16:07:58< shadowm> okay, done
20120325 16:08:58< shadowm> no, that didn't help
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20120325 16:10:24< Alarantalara> Did they reconnect? It was very fast for about 10 seconds and then stopped again for me
20120325 16:11:52< IvanSav> mordante: almost all authors have account anyway. And it will easier to contact them (bug reporting by users, some notifications from admins)
20120325 16:12:22< shadowm> hang on, now this thing is so busy I can't even generate a graph within less than 2 minutes
20120325 16:12:46< mordante> IvanSav, still it's not required and some addons are developed by a group, whose account to use?
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20120325 16:13:23< mordante> as shadowm said the server creates a password on the first upload if not set
20120325 16:13:31< shadowm> Alarantalara: yes, the graph looked funny in that regard
20120325 16:13:41< shadowm> last time I could have a look at it anyway
20120325 16:13:47< mordante> however it sounds like a good idea to add the option to add a forum nick to the pbl file
20120325 16:14:14< mordante> so the pbl file allows both, an email address and a forum account
20120325 16:15:01< IvanSav> mordante: allow uploading by everyone in "authors"? And use "uploader" only to find out who uploaded latest version
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20120325 16:39:28< Trademark_> Hello, I've trouble when trying to compile wesnoth1.8, it complains about #define foreach BOOST_FOREACH, it's a well-known problem on the Boost-list but what's your workaround ?
20120325 16:40:01< Trademark_> The error is : boost::BOOST_FOREACH' has not been declared.
20120325 16:41:14< loonycyborg> Not using boost version it was introduced in :P
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20120325 16:42:01< Trademark_> what is the boost version used ?
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20120325 16:46:43< timotei21> Trademark_: are you compiling on Mac OS X?
20120325 16:49:15< Trademark_> no, on Linux Ubuntu
20120325 16:51:15< timotei21> Trademark_: because on Mac there was IIRC a problem like that solved by using some patch
20120325 16:52:09< shadowm> not only on Mac OS X
20120325 16:52:19< timotei21> https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/changeset/75540 IIRC
20120325 16:52:27< shadowm> the bug in question affects all platforms, in fact
20120325 16:53:52< Trademark_> why not using the not sexy BOOST_FOREACH instead of foreach ?
20120325 16:55:58< shadowm> probably because we've been using the foreach alias for much longer than the bug in question has existed
20120325 16:56:36< Trademark_> is it a problem to run backward now ?
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20120325 17:06:17< shadowm> depends on what that's supposed to mean
20120325 17:07:22< Trademark_> just edit all files with script or whatever, and replace each foreach with BOOST_FOREACH and BOOST_FOREACH.hpp with foreach.hpp.
20120325 17:08:59< shadowm> but that requires discussing it with all interested parties first, even though there's already a fix upstream and it's much easier to just recommend users to avoid a specific Boost version or patch it (also, that include replacement suggestion doesn't seem right)
20120325 17:09:33< shadowm> Debian at least even provides an already patched Boost version (the version in question is 1.48.0)
20120325 17:10:42 * TorminaTor uses boost 1.48.0-r1 on Gentoo and had no problems
20120325 17:11:01< Trademark_> okay
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20120325 17:14:08< Trademark_> how much "slots" have you for gsoc students ?
20120325 17:14:22< timotei21> Trademark_: it's not already settled IIRC.
20120325 17:14:31< timotei21> It depends on how much Wesnoth asks...
20120325 17:14:31< Trademark_> okay
20120325 17:14:41< timotei21> Might want to wait for Ivanovic's confirmation
20120325 17:14:50< Trademark_> I though it was set when the organisation was accepted
20120325 17:14:56< timotei21> Trademark_: well, IIRC we define foreach BOOST_FOREACH...
20120325 17:15:43< shadowm> timotei21: that's the whole point 
20120325 17:16:19< Ivanovic> Trademark_: unknown
20120325 17:16:21< shadowm> I thought you had read the bug description
20120325 17:16:40< Ivanovic> probably similar to previous years, somewhere <=4 slots
20120325 17:17:53< timotei21> shadowm: I must have forgotten about *why* it was the bug existent in the first place. I just had it bookmarked (the url).
20120325 17:18:25< shadowm> timotei21: without the page title? :)
20120325 17:18:52< timotei21> shadowm: Didn't read it the second time (that is, when I've pasted it here :P )
20120325 17:19:17< timotei21> We people, when moving our eyes from one part to another, don't the the things "in the middle"
20120325 17:19:20< timotei21> We humans*
20120325 17:19:27< timotei21> s/the/see
20120325 17:20:21< shadowm> I disagree, and I don't think that's very relevant in this particular case anyway.
20120325 17:20:40< Trademark_> how much students succeeds last year here ?
20120325 17:20:53< timotei21> You can disagree. But I'm talking about that based on what I've actually read when researching for "gaze tracking"
20120325 17:21:25< shadowm> timotei21: maybe I'm more attentive to big details like a massive page title that's displayed on a tiny screen
20120325 17:22:02< timotei21> I jumped straight to attachments/comments (picture memory ;) )
20120325 17:22:02< shadowm> my horizontal resolution is 1280; hardly enough to miss words in a line of text following that principle
20120325 17:23:28< CIA-69> mordante * r53661 /trunk/src/wesmage/options.cpp: 
20120325 17:23:28< CIA-69> Handle a newline in a wesmage filter description.
20120325 17:23:28< CIA-69> Before it only counted the number of characters causing alignment issues
20120325 17:23:28< CIA-69> if there was a newline in the text.
20120325 17:23:29< CIA-69> mordante * r53660 /trunk/src/wesmage/ (options.cpp options.hpp wesmage.cpp): 
20120325 17:23:29< CIA-69> Add a way to get timing information in wesmage.
20120325 17:23:29< CIA-69> The timing info shows the time spend in the filter code. This should
20120325 17:23:29< CIA-69> give an indication of the time. The resolution of the time is platform
20120325 17:23:30< CIA-69> specific.
20120325 17:23:36< CIA-69> mordante * r53662 /trunk/src/ (sdl_utils.hpp wesmage/filter.cpp): 
20120325 17:23:36< CIA-69> Add the blend method to wesmage.
20120325 17:23:36< CIA-69> Also used the opportunity to better document the blend_surface function.
20120325 17:24:24< shadowm> Trademark_: I know one student had to quit early in the season. I guess the mentors know better about the degree of success of the projects that did come to realization.
20120325 17:24:42< shadowm> That is, besides that particular student and his project, the others were completed AFAIK.
20120325 17:25:31< timotei21> Trademark_: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Information_for_Google#If_your_organization_participated_in_past_GSoCs.2C_please_let_us_know_the_ratio_of_students_passing_to_students_allocated.2C_e.g._2006:_3.2F6_for_3_out_of_6_students_passed_in_2006.
20120325 17:25:39< shadowm> whoah
20120325 17:25:45< timotei21> Yeah...
20120325 17:25:50< timotei21> Long link.
20120325 17:26:14< shadowm> that's why for those pages I give people the base URI and tell them to go to a numbered section from the ToC
20120325 17:26:21< timotei21> And it seems mediawiki doesn't know how to read <code> tags...
20120325 17:27:19< shadowm> is it supposed to have a different meaning beyond what the HTML suite specifies?
20120325 17:27:21< Trademark_> thank you for the link, it's nice rates !
20120325 17:28:19< timotei21> shadowm: well... letting mediawiki know that it comes HTML code... but apparently it doesn't recognize the <a href="">s
20120325 17:28:25< shadowm> because MW normally treats <tags> like this as embedded HTML from what I gather, and <code> is thus being misused in that particular page
20120325 17:28:38< timotei21> Yeah, probably
20120325 17:28:47< timotei21> I'll fix it
20120325 17:28:52< Ivanovic> please do *NOT* make this page nice mediawiki markup!
20120325 17:29:00< timotei21> Ah. ok :P
20120325 17:29:03< Ivanovic> those <code> blocks in there are very intentional
20120325 17:29:17< Ivanovic> since those are easier copy&paste to google where they accept html code
20120325 17:29:18< timotei21> Ah. Ready to be pasted in google melange?
20120325 17:29:26< timotei21> Ok, understood.
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20120325 17:30:24< shadowm> yeah, code > p isn't valid HTML since code is an inline element and p is a block
20120325 17:31:35< shadowm> of course the page title makes it entirely obvious that we are not supposed to edit it despite it isn't Protected
20120325 17:33:28< Ivanovic> it is not protected so that every dev can add and improve stuff
20120325 17:34:40< shadowm> yes, our doesn't have a useful permissions system
20120325 17:34:48< shadowm> *our wiki
20120325 17:38:39< Trademark_> I fixed the bug with boost_foreach (it compile now). I just change "#define foreach BOOST_FOREACH" for "#define foreach(a, b) BOOST_FOREACH(a, b)". It works because "a" and "b" are not macro anywhere in the code. If someone care...
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20120325 20:05:11< Necrofenser> Hey ppl!
20120325 20:06:01< Necrofenser> Why multiplayer in BoW on iPad isnt working?
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20120325 20:11:53< mordante> guess it works now :-P
20120325 20:12:42< vultraz_laptop> XD
20120325 20:13:35< TorminaTor> Well, he was extraordinary patient ^^
20120325 20:13:56< mordante> you mean patient before posting ;-)
20120325 20:15:06< mordante> Ivanovic, FYI the neon patch starts to look promising, but not there yet
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20120325 20:15:12< mordante> will be afk for a while
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20120325 21:04:40< hankerspace_> I've read i have to contact Crab to talk about the Gsoc project but i've never seen him on IRC ... Maybe he uses an other pseudo ?
20120325 21:10:53< ejls> !seen Crab_
20120325 21:11:00< ejls> Hum… what the command again? :)
20120325 21:11:10< ejls> ?seen Crab_
20120325 21:11:16< matthiaskrgr> !commands
20120325 21:11:22< matthiaskrgr> !help  
20120325 21:11:22< shikadibot> matthiaskrgr: Available topics: !, 8, ?, D, DIR, DIRLOG, FILE, FILELOG, HELP, HUG, LOG, MATH, NAMEGEN, NETNAME, NETPROTO, PING, REPO, TAG, VERSION, WHATIS
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20120325 21:13:22< ejls> wesbot seen Crab_
20120325 21:13:23< wesbot> ejls: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 2d 22h ago.  1d 18h ago they left with the message: Quit: Crab_
20120325 21:13:36< hankerspace> oh thanks
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20120325 21:33:56< hankerspace> I tried to implement something for the [message] key, do you know which files i have to modify for this kind of add ? I've found that nowhere in the wiki page of WML.
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20120325 21:35:23< zookeeper> hankerspace, well, find it with grep?
20120325 21:35:42< shadowm> the ReferenceWML pages in general are written with WML authors in mind, not backend developers. In order to find where a WML action like [message] is implemented, you should first check data/lua//wml-tags.lua (for Lua-backed WML tags) and then src/game_events.cpp (for C++)
20120325 21:35:51< shadowm> or you can ask here. I know [message] is implemented in C++.
20120325 21:36:19< shadowm> oh wait. there's a Lua stub for it.
20120325 21:36:50< shadowm> meh, that's not too important. The real implementation is still in game_events.cpp
20120325 21:37:01< hankerspace> zookeeper: no i'll try
20120325 21:37:43< hankerspace> shadowm: You advise me to inscpect the scr/game_events.cpp ? I'll try in this way
20120325 21:38:41< shadowm> every block preceded by the WML_HANDLER_FUNCTION macro in there is... you can guess.
20120325 21:39:45< hankerspace> Ok, thanks shadowm
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20120325 21:54:47< shadowm> Gambit: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36467&p=524656#p524656
20120325 21:55:14< Gambit> the hell
20120325 21:55:21< Gambit> how did he even get that
20120325 21:55:24< Gambit> it's invite only...
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20120325 22:17:50< mordante> Ivanovic, I've a new patch for you to play with http://paste.debian.net/160955/
20120325 22:18:40< mordante> can you run the following command before applying 
20120325 22:18:42< mordante> ./wesmage -n  -t -fblend:0.5,FF  Two_Brothers_M1P1.png
20120325 22:19:40< mordante> if it takes 0 seconds can you repeat the »-t -fblend:0.5,FF« part until it takes a 0.03 s
20120325 22:19:50< mordante> and then please repeat after applying the patch
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20120325 22:29:00< Ivanovic> re
20120325 22:29:44< Ivanovic> mordante: first i'll unpack, then i might check it
20120325 22:29:52< shadowm> buenas
20120325 22:30:25< mordante> Ivanovic, ok
20120325 22:35:14< mordante> hankerspace, had a short look at your patch not tested, looks oke.
20120325 22:35:45< mordante> only the message is a bit odd, it could be a bit more descriptive, also please strip the trailing space
20120325 22:40:49< shadowm> hankerspace: please use the standard WML indentation unit (4 blanks, never tabstops) for WML patches
20120325 22:42:10< shadowm> unless they target data/gui/, which is inconsistently formatted by design
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20120325 22:51:36< hankerspace> Sorry, mordante and shadowm i'm back, i'll try to find a better message. And thanks for the advise for indentation i'll use this tip.
20120325 22:52:27< hankerspace> So i have to modify my patch on the previous post ?
20120325 22:53:05< mordante> just add a new attachment and leave a note what you changed
20120325 22:53:20< shadowm> depends on whether there are any other issues, I personally don't consider indentation to be enough of a showstopper and if I had to apply it myself I'd correct its indentation before committing
20120325 22:53:57< shadowm> it's still good to know how that deal works if you plan on submitting more patches targetting WML in the future
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20120325 22:56:36< Ivanovic> mordante: building
20120325 22:56:39< mordante> oh btw Ivanovic if you test it would also be nice if you create some png's using only one blend and look whether it looks sane
20120325 22:57:00< Ivanovic> uhm, so i should even *test* the results?!?
20120325 22:57:02< Ivanovic> ;)
20120325 22:57:30< mordante> Ivanovic, yes I like to know whether I properly understood what the NEON stuff does ;-)
20120325 22:58:34< Ivanovic> of which version do you want the unblended image?
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20120325 23:00:51< Ivanovic> and you want me to use "./wesmage -n  -t -fblend:0.5,FF -fblend:0.5,FF -fblend:0.5,FF -fblend:0.5,FF  Two_Brothers_M1P1.png" until it takes at least 0.03s?
20120325 23:01:02< Ivanovic> (with default that is)
20120325 23:01:28< mordante> yes or at least more than 0 seconds
20120325 23:01:44< mordante> I think you don't need too much for it
20120325 23:02:25< mordante> I like the blended image after the patch, it should show the image with a blue hue
20120325 23:04:04< Ivanovic> and you just want the image with ./wesmage -o file.png PATH/TO/ORIG ?
20120325 23:05:00< Ivanovic> wesmage output: http://pastebin.com/hs2FE8DS
20120325 23:05:13< mordante> no  ./wesmage -o file.png -fblend:0.5,FF PATH/TO/ORIG
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20120325 23:06:00< Ivanovic> default: http://imagebin.org/205127
20120325 23:06:11< Ivanovic> patched: http://imagebin.org/205128
20120325 23:06:13< Ivanovic> argh, okay
20120325 23:06:37< mordante> without a filter nothing happens ;-)
20120325 23:07:47< mordante> nice improvement when using NEON, about a factor 4 :-)
20120325 23:08:16< Ivanovic> patched+scaled: http://imagebin.org/205129
20120325 23:08:41< mordante> I would call it blended ;-)
20120325 23:08:51< mordante> but it looks like what I hoped for
20120325 23:09:12< mordante> thanks for testing
20120325 23:10:01< Ivanovic> you're welcome
20120325 23:10:08< Ivanovic> please continue these great improvements!
20120325 23:13:10< mordante> I plan to
20120325 23:13:50< mordante> I just need to think how I can use NEON to speed up the scaling, that seems trickier :-(
20120325 23:17:47< mordante> I'm off night
20120325 23:17:57< Ivanovic> n8 mordante
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20120325 23:21:33< omg_scout> hello
20120325 23:21:44< hankerspace> hello
20120325 23:22:27< omg_scout> quick question - is it worth trying to get in GSOC for Wesnoth or team is already overburdened with students?
20120325 23:23:06< hankerspace> Dont know, on the website you can found information in the wesnoth's wiki, especially in gsoc pages
20120325 23:23:20< omg_scout> Yeah I've read that
20120325 23:23:26< hankerspace> You can see projects and student which want to work on
20120325 23:23:51< omg_scout> I see there are still few "unwanted" projects
20120325 23:24:29< hankerspace> I dont have more informations, try to contact the mentor of the project you want
20120325 23:24:43< omg_scout> ok thank you
20120325 23:24:48< hankerspace> On my own, i tried to contact Crab_ :p
20120325 23:26:59< omg_scout> with good results? ;)
20120325 23:27:36< hankerspace> Not for the moment, i dont know where he is :)
20120325 23:29:33< timotei21> omg_scout: there is "never" "overburden with students".
20120325 23:29:55< timotei21> omg_scout: There won't be chosed more students than mentors available :)
20120325 23:30:30< omg_scout> Hmn that answers pretty much;)
20120325 23:30:57< timotei21> But yeah, the competition might be high on certain ideas
20120325 23:31:01< omg_scout> I was kinda afraid of being late for party
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20120325 23:34:01< timotei21> Well... the party officially starts in about... 20 hours and 27 minutes :P
20120325 23:35:29< ejls> timotei21: do you think it's ok if we don't have time to discuss our proposal before the application deadline?
20120325 23:35:51< timotei21> ejls: I don't think so. The mentors should have prior discussions with prospective students in their areas...
20120325 23:36:05< timotei21> I myself wouldn't accept somebody whom I didn't talk to at all about his proposal...
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20120325 23:36:11< Ivanovic> ejls: if you don't want to discuss it you simply have zero chance to be accepted
20120325 23:36:19< lakatos> good day
20120325 23:36:36< shadowm> hi there
20120325 23:36:37< ejls> Ok, it just that I'm short in time. :)
20120325 23:36:49< Ivanovic> ejls: that is: without discussions it is unlikely that you'll manage a good proposal which has a chance to be accepted
20120325 23:36:50< timotei21> ejls: short? There's "plently" of time till 6th April IIRC
20120325 23:36:57< Ivanovic> yeah, working on a proposal takes *time*
20120325 23:37:26< Ivanovic> and later on working on gsoc takes time, too
20120325 23:37:45< Ivanovic> you should estimate that you work on gsoc (if accepted) for about 40h per week
20120325 23:38:17< Ivanovic> if you can't fit this into your schedule you should reconsider if you really can participate in gsoc
20120325 23:38:33< ejls> I'm interested by the whiteboard backend refactoring, and it looks like gabba would like a fancy uml diagram or something, I've read whiteboard code all the week-end already, but well I have only one week left to find a solution to this validator/mapbuilder problem. :)
20120325 23:38:36< Ivanovic> (yes, in the application period you won't spend this much)
20120325 23:38:46< lakatos> Should milestones be set out already in our proposals?
20120325 23:38:50< Ivanovic> lakatos: yes
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20120325 23:39:20< Ivanovic> lakatos: since the milestones are an important part in getting an idea of what you envision taking how long and for us to consider if those estimates are sane
20120325 23:39:32< lakatos> I was thinking of working on the multiple CTK calculation, ejls
20120325 23:39:57< timotei21> Night guys
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20120325 23:40:12< ejls> lakatos: oooh, so there is someone else interrested in the whiteboard. :)
20120325 23:40:17< Ivanovic> if you want to be shocked by a great and well though (and discussed!) proposal, have a look at what crab submitted 2009: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeProposal_AI_Improvement_Crab
20120325 23:40:20< Fristi> ejls, I feel your pain. Due to circumstances I wasn't able to get started earlier on this. But I guess it does not hurt to try. You can always contact the responsible mentor in the coming week and do the best you can. Worst case you have made the first steps for next year.
20120325 23:40:34< Ivanovic> ejls: you should expect that there are several people interested in each proposal
20120325 23:40:46< lakatos> Ivanovic: Yes, I know. It's just that sometimes it's nearly impossible to properly set out reasonable milestones
20120325 23:41:04< Ivanovic> lakatos: somehow you have to define "project goals"
20120325 23:41:07< ejls> Ivanovic: yeah, but it looks like the AI ideas are much more famous.
20120325 23:41:17< Ivanovic> make those rather fine granular and you got milestones
20120325 23:41:44< Ivanovic> ejls: they always are until the people start to really discuss them and realize that those are often the hardest tasks
20120325 23:41:45< lakatos> I'm not saying I'm not going to try :)
20120325 23:42:07< Ivanovic> lakatos: the important part here is fine granular
20120325 23:42:17< Ivanovic> this leaves you some space to define mandatory and optional goals
20120325 23:42:50< Ivanovic> in your timeline the best case should be "everything done" (and it should feel realistic to you as well as to us)
20120325 23:43:05< lakatos> understood
20120325 23:43:14< Ivanovic> but in case you encounter some severe problems there would be optional goals which could be dropped while still successfully complete the project
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