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20120326 00:01:26< hankerspace> Good night guys.
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20120326 00:17:03< lakatos> Ok, so I created an account on the forums
20120326 00:17:43< lakatos> Could an admin mark it as a GSoC account?
20120326 00:18:47< lakatos> Ivanovic, I see you are the only one from the list
20120326 00:18:49< shadowm> lakatos: "LakatosI" ?
20120326 00:19:06< lakatos> oh, sorry, didn't see you there shadowm
20120326 00:19:14< lakatos> yes, it's LakatosI
20120326 00:19:30< shadowm> done
20120326 00:20:04< lakatos> Thank you
20120326 00:21:32< ejls> shadowm: Well, me too please. :)
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20120326 00:24:17< shadowm> ejls: "ejls", right?
20120326 00:24:30< ejls> yes
20120326 00:25:06< ejls> shadowm: thanks :)
20120326 00:25:14< shadowm> done
20120326 00:29:25< IvanSav> shadowm: and IvanSav as well :)
20120326 00:29:38< bloodycoin> shadowm: mind marking me too?
20120326 00:30:15< lakatos> shadowm, who do I have to speak with to gain gna membership?
20120326 00:30:31< shadowm> anyone else?
20120326 00:31:13< shadowm> lakatos: Ivanovic, although note that we usually require two non-trivial patches first
20120326 00:32:05< lakatos> yes, that's what I'm planning of doing
20120326 00:32:10< shadowm> IvanSav: I think you were in already, or I got confused while adding bloodycoin now
20120326 00:32:17< shadowm> bloodycoin: done
20120326 00:32:21< bloodycoin> thanks
20120326 00:32:39< shadowm> okay, I just got confused and did it twice
20120326 00:33:03< bloodycoin> can I get link to git tarbal? I am new to svn and prefer git :)
20120326 00:33:09< shadowm> if no-one else needs to be added, I'll be away for 30 minutes-ish
20120326 00:33:51< shadowm> bloodycoin: http://files.wesnoth.org/hidden/git/   ; but note that this is _git-svn_, which isn't as easy to use as pure svn or pure git
20120326 00:34:43< bloodycoin> thank you, yes, I know it's not git, but I like git's structure more, and it  seem I get it with git-svn
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20120326 00:37:54< shadowm> yeah, after using git-svn for a while I kind of wonder how I ever managed to work on a svn checkout directly without local branches
20120326 00:38:44< bloodycoin> xD I tried searching web for "svn for git user" but I only got results for "git for svn users"
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20120326 02:39:49< Espreon> shadowm: Perhaps I should provide a # po: comment for "Chocobone"...
20120326 02:43:01< Espreon> Hmmmm, then again, because of a problem with wmlxgettext, it'd get associated with all strings in its [unit_type] block.
20120326 02:45:01< Espreon> AI0867: ^
20120326 02:45:48< shadowm> if that gets sorted out, by all means, go ahead
20120326 02:45:59< Espreon> Very well.
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20120326 07:01:29< CIA-69> alarantalara * r53663 /trunk/src/unit_abilities.cpp: switch effect multiplication to double and add extensive comment (re: r53615)
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20120326 07:02:10< Alarantalara> mordante: ^ overflow is more of a problem than precision loss given the values in question
20120326 07:03:11< Alarantalara> you may want to change the doubles to whatever fixed point values you're using for the scaling algorithms for speed/consistency
20120326 07:04:15< Alarantalara> as long as they can maintain ~5 significant digits, there shouldn't be any rounding problems
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20120326 08:59:42< Trademark_> hey, good morning ! can I ask questions about the recruitment algorithm or everyone is sleeping ? :)
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20120326 09:00:55< Espreon> Trademark_: Some should be on soon, but I'm going to bed and can't help anyway.
20120326 09:01:01< Espreon> Yeah, goodnight.
20120326 09:01:18< Trademark_> Espreon, goodnight :p
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20120326 09:06:53< Rhonda> Trademark_: If you would ask your question you might have had received an answer by now …
20120326 09:07:18< Rhonda> The people here tend to read backlogs (some, from time to time)
20120326 09:08:01< Trademark_> don't ask to ask, just ask, isn't it ? ^^"
20120326 09:09:23< Trademark_> well, I just wanted to know what is the code to refactor, I just read some file and seen a lot of code involving recruitment, I just wanted precision, the name of a file, of a class, whatever I can use to start.
20120326 09:27:01< Rhonda> I take it you read the link from the topic, right? Appart from that I can't help you further, but I'm sure others might (when time comes)
20120326 09:28:34< Trademark_> thank you, I'll read it again to spot clue 
20120326 09:30:18< Rhonda> About recruitment algorithm - from what I perceived usually the students with the most promising sounding applications are rated and taken in the end.  Discussions between the students/mentors involved obviously.
20120326 09:31:29< Rhonda> I have been mentor in the Debian project a few times. The project I tried to mentor never though got enough positive feedback, so I just know about the rating process.
20120326 09:34:29< Trademark_> ok :)
20120326 09:37:33< Trademark_> but I'm confused, I think we misunderstood, I didn't ask about the student recruitment but the SoC subject "AI: Refactor recruitment algorithm"; (nevertheless your response was interresting).
20120326 09:38:54< Rhonda> oh
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20120326 10:20:41< Crendgrim> cjhopman: I think there is a mistake. You wrote "This thread is for ... with the iPhone/iPad ports" in the Android announcement.
20120326 10:26:51< cjhopman> lol
20120326 10:27:01< cjhopman> thanks
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20120326 15:09:33< hankerspace> Is somebody else working on https://gna.org/bugs/?18483 (Implement duration= for [message]) ?
20120326 15:16:23< TorminaTor> heya, Crab_ 
20120326 15:17:11< TorminaTor> I have finally written all my exams, and want to improve "power projection" of the AI
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20120326 15:19:03< TorminaTor> Crab_, could you point me in the general direction in which file(s) I could find the according code?
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20120326 15:24:58< nick394> I have the same question, Crab_
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20120326 15:30:01< nick394> I'll find it by myself, but if you help I'd be thankful.
20120326 15:37:39< bloodycoin> Does anyone have any idea if boucman plans to show up irc untill end of application period?
20120326 15:37:57< bloodycoin> *on irc
20120326 15:39:06< bloodycoin> because I would really like to discuss idea with him
20120326 16:01:02< AI0867> wesbot: seen boucman
20120326 16:01:03< wesbot> AI0867: The person with the nick boucman last spoke 8d 22h ago.  1d 8h ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
20120326 16:01:25< AI0867> bloodycoin: ^
20120326 16:02:42< Crab_> TorminaTor: hello
20120326 16:02:52< Crab_> nick394: hello
20120326 16:04:26< Crab_> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/src/ai/contexts.cpp?revision=53551&view=markup
20120326 16:04:30< Crab_> double readonly_context_impl::power_projection(const map_location& loc, const move_map& dstsrc) const
20120326 16:04:37< Crab_> that's the implementation
20120326 16:05:02< Crab_> check it's uses, i.e. uses in http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/src/ai/testing/ca.cpp
20120326 16:06:54< TorminaTor> thanks, Crab_ 
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20120326 16:07:52< nick394> Crab_: thank you. I tried to get it myself analysing the code, but it takes a lot of time
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20120326 16:33:29< Nephro> Crab_: morning. Could You, please, remind me, which methods did mattsc tell You were missing? wesnoth.org seems to be down and I can't contact him directly atm.
20120326 16:34:23< Crab_> Nephro: a way of getting friendly and enemy attacks
20120326 16:35:06< Crab_> Nephro: get_attacks() aspect, if I'm not mistaken. and some other stuff.
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20120326 16:38:12< Crab_> 'The biggest restriction for me is still that get_attacks() and get_enemy_attacks() are missing. Simply adding those two functions would go a long way to make things easier.'
20120326 16:41:23< Nephro> I can see the get_attacks() function in the context, but no get_enemy_attacks()
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20120326 16:45:11< Crab_> in c++ it can be done by getting enemy allowed moves, and getting the list of potential attackers
20120326 16:45:26< Crab_> it's done in  958	double readonly_context_impl::power_projection(const map_location& loc, const move_map& dstsrc) const in src/ai/contexts.cpp, for example
20120326 16:45:37< Crab_> but there's no aspect for this, at least so far.
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20120326 16:48:26< Nephro> I noticed that I don't remember the run path through the AI system. I'll have to remember how that system works, then I'll just expose get_attacks() straight away and then look on the situation with get_enemy_attacks
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20120326 16:50:29< Crab_> ok
20120326 16:50:49< Crab_> note that attacks can be 'rated', and rating takes time
20120326 16:50:58< Crab_> it's normally done with parts of attacks by combat phase
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20120326 18:30:28< pirad> hi.
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20120326 18:33:04< pirad> I'm a maths student from germany. I am interested in AI programming for summer of code. Is there anybody I can talk to?
20120326 18:38:20< AI0867> pirad: Crab_, mostly
20120326 18:38:59< pirad> thx
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20120326 19:07:50< Ivanovic> pirad: have you played wesnoth yet?
20120326 19:08:09< Ivanovic> hi
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20120326 20:04:47< mordante> servus
20120326 20:06:21< mordante> alarantalara thanks for the extra information and the comment commit
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20120326 20:09:41< CIA-69> mordante * r53664 /branches/1.10/src/events.cpp: Remove a redundant declaration.
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20120326 20:21:04< Trademark_> Hello Crab_, I'm interested in "AI: refactor recruitment algorithm", I just read some files in the directory "ai". I would like to know what is a "context" and especially a side_context versus an ai_context. Thank you
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20120326 20:26:03< CIA-69> mordante * r53665 /branches/1.10/ (changelog src/sdl_utils.cpp): 
20120326 20:26:03< CIA-69> Backports the Pandora scaling speedup patches.
20120326 20:26:03< CIA-69> Only when compiled with -DPANDORA the new code is enabled, without it this
20120326 20:26:03< CIA-69> patch has no effect.
20120326 20:26:05< mordante> Ivanovic, would be nice if you could give it a spin before tagging^
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20120326 20:29:33< Ivanovic> mordante: okay, will do
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20120326 20:31:05< mordante> also curious what it does to the loading time
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20120326 20:49:14< mordante> I'm off bye
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20120326 21:02:35< vaulttech> hello
20120326 21:03:30< vaulttech> (I don't know how I should do this, so...) I'm a computer science student and I'm interested in one of your ideas on Google Summer of Code
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20120326 21:08:20< vaulttech> I'd like to ask more about the "Make  lua AI development and usage easier"
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20120326 21:23:57< Crendgrim> I hate it that there are so many "illegal tile in map" error messages spammed on the console in the MP lobby...
20120326 21:28:25< shadowm> Espreon: what's up with the revision to the Add-ons section in the help?
20120326 21:28:54< Espreon> I at least read it, but I'm busy fixing up IftU.
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20120326 21:29:46< shadowm> Espreon: and yesterday?
20120326 21:29:57< Espreon> Yesterday, I was doing nothing.
20120326 21:29:59< shadowm> since I think the "busy fixing up IftU" excuse only became valid a few minutes ago
20120326 21:30:07< shadowm> yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about
20120326 21:32:12< vaulttech> hello... I'm running Doxygen -- to take a look at the code --, and I'm receiving a lot of error messages. Should this happen?
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20120326 21:35:42< Ivanovic> vaulttech: better rely on devdocs.wesnoth.org
20120326 21:35:48< Ivanovic> there you can find the doxygen files
20120326 21:35:59< Ivanovic> s/files/generated documentation
20120326 21:36:00< vaulttech> thanks!
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20120326 21:54:01< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: can you pls assign https://gna.org/patch/?3202 to you and mark won't fix ?
20120326 21:55:03< Ivanovic> done
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20120326 22:00:43< shadowm> zookeeper: should I assign this to you? https://gna.org/bugs/?19557
20120326 22:05:22< vaulttech> I'm reading the information about the GSoC. There I found this:
20120326 22:05:31< vaulttech> VERY IMPORTANT Update the wiki page about your idea (Make a copy of the student proposal page template: SoC2012 Template of Student page)
20120326 22:06:18< vaulttech> what do you mean by "Update"? Should I create a new page?
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20120326 22:17:12< vaulttech> shadowm: please, I've created an account in the forum and I'd like to ask you to mark my account as a GSoC Student account (since the Wesnoth wiki says me to do so)
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20120326 22:18:01< shadowm> sure, hang on
20120326 22:18:27< shadowm> vaulttech: done
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20120326 22:20:17< hankerspace> Oh, me too so :p
20120326 22:20:57< shadowm> anyone else? :p
20120326 22:21:06< trademark__> shadowm, me :)
20120326 22:21:33< shadowm> trademark__: "Trademark" in the forums, I take it?
20120326 22:21:40< trademark__> shadowm, yeah
20120326 22:21:49< shadowm> hankerspace, trademark__ : done
20120326 22:22:07< hankerspace> Thanks shadowm
20120326 22:22:18< trademark__> thank you :)
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20120326 22:22:48< trademark__> Crab_, as I would like to propose a prototype before the end of the application period for the "multiple leader recruiting", do you have any suggestions or advices (especially, which classes are involved) ?
20120326 22:23:43< nick394> shadowm: hello, mark me too pls
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20120326 22:25:35< vaulttech> shadowm: thanks!
20120326 22:26:15< shadowm> nick394: done
20120326 22:27:08< nick394> shadowm: thank you
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20120326 22:30:24< boucman> hey all
20120326 22:30:29< boucman> AI0867: looking for me ?
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20120326 22:33:29< nagafono> hi, i have question about GSoC (i suppose you all are already bored about that :)). What should i do first: post the idea on wiki or send an app to google?
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20120326 22:34:25< TorminaTor> I think it couldn't hurt to first post the Idea in the wiki
20120326 22:34:39< TorminaTor> but I'm just another GSoC applicant ^^
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20120326 22:36:28< boucman> yes, what TorminaTor said
20120326 22:36:38< boucman> you only need to post on google before the deadline
20120326 22:36:55< boucman> your wiki idea page is something you will work on continuously from here until the deadline
20120326 22:37:05< boucman> the wiki page is the part we actually read
20120326 22:37:08< nagafono> im just interesting why so manies are already "not submitted by google" before the application period started
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20120326 22:37:53< boucman> IIRC we have a bot that fills this automatically, to make sure no sutdent forgets to register to google once the application period is started
20120326 22:39:02< nagafono> oh now its clear, thx
20120326 22:41:00< bloodycoin> hey boucman
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20120326 22:41:30< bloodycoin> I am GSoC participant and filled proposal
20120326 22:41:43< bloodycoin> maybe you could give me some feedback? ^^"
20120326 22:41:57< boucman> bloodycoin: i'll have a quick look, URL plz
20120326 22:42:12< bloodycoin> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC2012_Bloodycoin_Particle_Engine
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20120326 22:44:23< noy> bloodycoin: good choice to start off with
20120326 22:45:07< bloodycoin> as far as I have seen wesnoth doesn't use opengl, but direct drawing through sdl
20120326 22:45:38< bloodycoin> and I suppose particle engine should be implemented with sdl only?
20120326 22:45:49< bloodycoin> just want to make some thing clear :)
20120326 22:45:51< boucman> bloodycoin: yes, we would like to switch to openGL at some point but we have a couple of roadblock
20120326 22:45:52< noy> boucman: around?
20120326 22:45:54< noy> there you go
20120326 22:45:57< noy> nm
20120326 22:46:15< boucman> 1) it's a big project that need an experienced wesnoth dev that also knows openGL well
20120326 22:46:29< boucman> 2) we need to make sure all our platforms have good OGL support
20120326 22:47:13< boucman> so yes, i'd rather have the engine SDL only, a switch to OGL would be too big for GSoC, and mixing the two would raise all sorts of unwanted problems
20120326 22:47:25< bloodycoin> I thought maybe it''s possible to make partly opengl compactible on platforms that support opengl, and use sdl code for platforms that doesn't
20120326 22:47:44< bloodycoin> oh, ok
20120326 22:48:36< boucman> bloodycoin: hmm, I wouldn't be against some sort of OGL detection or something like that, but that's low priority for that particular project...
20120326 22:49:35< noy> bloodycoin: just as a note, we're encouraging students to try to stay within the bounds of the proposed ideas by mentors this year. 
20120326 22:50:22< shadowm> (2) isn't our mission and will never happen
20120326 22:50:27< bloodycoin> ok.. and where this particle engine would be used? in every frame animations? like flags in game or only for battle animations and effects?
20120326 22:51:11< shadowm> (and yes, I have used llvmpipe and I'd avoid it at all costs, especially on my other laptop that is more prone to overheating)
20120326 22:51:49< boucman> bloodycoin: in unit animations, that's for sure, having it in terrain too would be great, but I know the anim code way better :P
20120326 22:53:16< bloodycoin> oh, one more question... should it be pixel particles only or with some alpha images too?
20120326 22:53:47< boucman> bloodycoin: that's for you to answer in your proposal, depending on how hard/costy you expect it to be
20120326 22:54:45< bloodycoin> well... as far as I can remember images are usually more costly :)
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20120326 22:56:44< boucman> ok, done reading your proposal
20120326 22:57:37< vaulttech> I couldn't understand the syntax for changing the wiki page to put my information. I though that if I created a page with my name and filled it using the GSoC template, then the Ideas page would be filled automatically with my information. Am I completely wrong?
20120326 22:58:45< boucman> so, it's good for a proposal at this point, but you need to go deeper on the part on what you actually want to code. To do that you could write a draft of the API for your library, or propose a syntax for the particles in WML or lua (I am not against having that part be lua only, making a correct syntax in WML might be hard)
20120326 22:59:11< boucman> all this would be non-binding, of course, but it gives you something to chew and make your ideas more solid
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20120326 23:00:22< bloodycoin> wait... Correct me if I am wrong... I will have to implement particle engine in c++ and bind it to lua, right?
20120326 23:00:24< boucman> the other thing you should do is familiarize yourself with the animation code... I can't really guide you around tonight, but unit_display is the main user, unit_animation is in charge of synching anims and frames, and unit_frames + animated.i are the ones doing the drawing work
20120326 23:01:22< boucman> bloodycoin: if you want it reusable, I would expect the lib to be purely c++, and the calls on the wesnoth side would read their params from lua
20120326 23:01:31< boucman> so no interfacinf in the library, no
20120326 23:01:55< nagafono> if you want and  have a time, you can also check mine app: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC2012_chatrooms
20120326 23:02:43< boucman> nagafono: i'm a bit short on time, and i'm not the mentor that knows the most about chatrooms... 
20120326 23:04:16< nagafono> bouchman: so whom i should ask then?
20120326 23:04:27< nagafono> boucman i mean :)
20120326 23:04:54< bloodycoin> ok, that's what I meant with binding :)
20120326 23:05:11< boucman> ok, that's the sort of things you could describe in your proposal
20120326 23:06:02< boucman> nagafono: argh, can't remember, we had a dev working on that but it slips my mind... noy, do you remember ?
20120326 23:06:34< noy> we did... ilor I think
20120326 23:06:50< boucman> hmm...
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20120326 23:08:34< nagafono> so does that mean that my idea is already implemented?
20120326 23:08:46< anonymissimus> zookeeper: I think you are requesting a filter_vision tag for locations, is there a FR request in the tracker ? (someone submitted a patch for it)
20120326 23:09:37< noy> nagafono: no, but we don't really have a mentor for that, and we really aren't looking for ideas outside of the ones already stated
20120326 23:09:39< zookeeper> anonymissimus, i don't think so
20120326 23:10:25< nagafono> noy: sad to hear :(
20120326 23:10:36< noy> I'm not sure about the technical implementation side, but as the "make your own ideas" section makes clear, we're really trying not to pursue major feature requests with GSOC scholarships
20120326 23:11:24< noy> well it isn't really nagafono, the problem is that in previous years students come with the best of intentions and try to add some major area of capability, then they leave or find that its not really that well used, so the work is abandoned
20120326 23:11:28< anonymissimus> zookeeper: but you are requesting it aren't you ? (at least I think i have at least one usecase in my campaign)
20120326 23:11:58< noy> then the developers are stuck with either reverting a major code change or spending more time to maintain it
20120326 23:12:59< noy> nagafono: what I'd love to see you do is to use your knowledge of wesnoth on one of the pre-existing topics and really own it.
20120326 23:13:07< bloodycoin> ok, thank you boucman, now I will have to rethink some things (which is good); I hope to see you around more in irc than in last week :)
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20120326 23:13:55< zookeeper> anonymissimus, yes, i've wanted that since forever
20120326 23:14:23< noy> nagafono: you are the kind of person who might be well suited to an AI tasks
20120326 23:14:37< nagafono> noy: well, thats clear, i have one more idea about AI defending. seems liek it is better to concentrate on this
20120326 23:14:41< noy> since you have good technical knowledge of how the AI is supposed to play
20120326 23:14:56< nagafono> well that is what i just wanna say  :)
20120326 23:14:59< noy> that's exactly
20120326 23:15:00< noy> it
20120326 23:15:09< noy> use your skills there. 
20120326 23:15:45< nagafono> then the cool chattty will wait for better times
20120326 23:16:12< boucman> bloodycoin: you will, I was away las week and (unexpectedly) had no net access
20120326 23:16:22< noy> well that's something I'd like to see alot of preparatory work completed before we move forward
20120326 23:16:47< noy> I've had alot of discussions about the lobby functionality and I know what I'd like to see and not see
20120326 23:17:17< noy> it was already a GSOC program and it collapsed
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20120326 23:17:34< noy> and I think it was too large a project for that anyway
20120326 23:19:38< TorminaTor> Crab_, shall I upload a patch of my changes, or can I commit directly?
20120326 23:20:15< boucman> TorminaTor: you have svn commit rights ?
20120326 23:20:41< TorminaTor> Well, if you phrase it like that: I don't think so
20120326 23:20:57< nagafono> noy: does that mean that current interface will not be changed for a long time?
20120326 23:21:21< noy> we'll see
20120326 23:21:23< noy> I'm not sure
20120326 23:22:05< nagafono> and btw as i understood there will be no "unstable" branches for students, am i wrong? just direct commits to  the major code?
20120326 23:22:09< boucman> TorminaTor: then you should submita apatch :P
20120326 23:22:20< boucman> nagafono: that's what we usually do, yes
20120326 23:22:57< TorminaTor> boucman, that's what I concluded after your statment ^^
20120326 23:23:02< TorminaTor> +e
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20120326 23:31:41< Crab_> trademark__: about the contexts: 'context' is a storage for information that an AI component can expect to be available to it.
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20120326 23:32:34< Crab_> trademark__: there are components which are initialized early in the AI initialization sequence, thus, they have less 'capabilities' available to them. so, they only have up to readonly_context
20120326 23:32:46< Crab_> trademark__: other components have everything.
20120326 23:33:21< Crab_> so, having access readonly_context allows to get parameters but not do actions, while access to readwrite_context allows both this and actions.
20120326 23:33:28< Crab_> that's mostly the difference.
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20120326 23:34:00< Crab_> vaulttech: hello
20120326 23:35:51< vaulttech> hello
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20120326 23:36:02< vaulttech> (sorry for the delay)
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20120326 23:36:31< vaulttech> (I've made some big mess with the wiki, but I already fixed it -- sorry for that)
20120326 23:36:33< Crab_> vaulttech: it's ok. if you have questions about any of the AI projects or the application process in general, I'll be happy to answer them
20120326 23:38:05< vaulttech> Crab_: thanks! I actually intend to submit a proposal related to the Whiteboard (the "Refactor of the backend")
20120326 23:39:11< vaulttech> Crab_: I don't know how related to each part of the project each one is here, but I was supposed to ask Gabba, when I had doubts, right?
20120326 23:39:30< boucman> yes, gabba is the whiteboard expert
20120326 23:39:37< Crab_> yes, gabba is the person to ask about the whiteboard projects
20120326 23:39:57< Crab_> but, if you have any questions about the source code, we should be able to find an answer, as well :)
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20120326 23:40:09< Crab_> or if you have questions about the application process
20120326 23:41:43< vaulttech> Ok... so... actually... I have 2 questions:
20120326 23:42:57< vaulttech> 1 - do you have any suggestion on where I could start reading the code (related to this WhiteBoard)? I am loss in a see of code and I'm not sure I'll get somewhere soon without any help
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20120326 23:43:15< hankerspace> Good night :)
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20120326 23:44:51< trademark__> Crab_, thank you for your response
20120326 23:45:35< Crab_> 1) firstly, make sure you have a way to compile the game. it really helps (since, for example, you would be able to use a debugger and add some logging to verify your assumptions). then, do a fgrep -Rni whiteboard over wesnoth source.
20120326 23:45:40< CIA-69> anonymissimus * r53666 /trunk/changelog: changelog entry r53551
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20120326 23:45:57< Crab_> or basically, any 'search in group of files' stuff. you'll see that the majority of whiteboard code is in src/whiteboard
20120326 23:46:07< trademark__> Crab_, I just want to know if it's a good idea to try to propose a "prototype" as I stated before : "as I would like to propose a prototype before the end of the application period for the "multiple leader recruiting", do you have any suggestions or advices (especially, which classes are involved) ?"
20120326 23:46:08< Crab_> but, there are a number of 'intrusions' of whiteboard into other parts of the game
20120326 23:46:25< vaulttech> Crab_: I've already compiled the code (not from the svn, anyway -- now I'm compiling the one from the svn, to be sure it will work)
20120326 23:46:27< Crab_> trademark_: (I'll answer this in a few minutes)
20120326 23:46:45< trademark__> Crab_, no problem, take your time
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20120326 23:48:10< Crab_> vaulttech: start with ./whiteboard/manager.hpp
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20120326 23:48:18< Trademark_> I'll read it tomorrow because I need to sleep a bit. ;) good night/day. 
20120326 23:48:29< Crab_> Trademark_: good night
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20120326 23:49:35< vaulttech> Crab_: thanks! I'll take a look at it.
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20120326 23:49:41< Crab_> vaulttech: find out the purpose of the public functions in that file
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20120326 23:49:59< Crab_> vaulttech: this file is the biggest part of the interface between the game and the whiteboard
20120326 23:51:12< vaulttech> Crab_: anyway, my second question is: do you have any idea on when can I find Gabba, usually, in this channel? I live in Germany (anyway, I'm brazilian), and I'm afraid that the hour differences could be a problem...
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20120326 23:51:32< Crab_> wesbot: seen gabba
20120326 23:51:33< wesbot> Crab_: The person with the nick gabba last spoke 4d 6h ago.  1d 19h ago person left:
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20120326 23:51:56< Crab_> so, he's probably just away for the weekend
20120326 23:52:13< Crab_> he'll see a message that we've looked for him, once he'll be here
20120326 23:52:26< Crab_> I suggest writing some questions for him (prefixed with his nickname)
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20120326 23:53:56< vaulttech> I am really noob in IRC. I should do something like "<his name>: <my question>"?
20120326 23:54:45< Crab_> vaulttech: for example. that assumes that he'll just open the logs (at irclogs.wesnoth.org ) and search for his name being used.
20120326 23:55:09< Crab_> I guess that during the gsoc application period, all the gsoc mentors do so, even if they usually don't do it always.
20120326 23:55:58< Crab_> (you are able to check the logs to see if there are any answers, as well.)
20120326 23:56:28< vaulttech> oh... ok.
20120326 23:56:57< vaulttech> Anyway... I probably won't need this, since this computer will be connected for the entire day
20120326 23:57:07< vaulttech> (in the next days, at least)
20120326 23:57:44< TorminaTor> sleep is overrated? ;-)
20120326 23:59:25< vaulttech> lol...
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