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20120304 05:21:45< uncleshelby> hello all
20120304 05:22:47< shadowm> hallo
20120304 05:31:17< uncleshelby> can anybody here answer a c++/python question?
20120304 05:33:11< shadowm> I know C++, but not Python
20120304 05:33:39< uncleshelby> Ok, maybe you can answer anyway.
20120304 05:34:43< uncleshelby> In C++ does "#include..." execute the code? or does it just import functions, variables, etc.?
20120304 05:36:01< shadowm> ow, a very newbie question :( I suck at those because I don't know how to find the line between complicated and useless explanations
20120304 05:36:31< shadowm> let me put it like this: the WML preprocessor is modeled after the C/C++ preprocessor; are you familiar with how WML brace substitution works in it?
20120304 05:36:38< uncleshelby> I geuss I should Google it.
20120304 05:37:24< shadowm> firstly, in C and C++ you don't execute code outside of functions and class methods; you only feed it to the compiler
20120304 05:37:47< uncleshelby> OK...
20120304 05:37:49< shadowm> #include substitutes the code in the target file in the location of the inclusion
20120304 05:38:31< shadowm> that code may have functions with their full definitions (i.e. instructions), or just their prototypes/declarations/interfaces for code found later in the same unit (think the .cpp file, for C++)
20120304 05:38:49< shadowm> functions/classes/etc.
20120304 05:39:56< uncleshelby> So it's like adding code from one file to another?
20120304 05:40:03< shadowm> yes
20120304 05:40:09< uncleshelby> OK.
20120304 05:40:12< uncleshelby> Got it.
20120304 05:40:49< uncleshelby> Thanks
20120304 05:41:13< shadowm> for example, in C code it's common to include the file <stdio.h> in order to use some standard functions declared in it, later in your file
20120304 05:41:36< shadowm> i.e. printf (which is the most basic way to print formatted text to console)
20120304 05:42:03< uncleshelby> Yeah.
20120304 05:42:19< shadowm> the functions are only declared within stdio.h so the compiler can know what they look like; what their names are, what kind of parameters they take, and what their return types are
20120304 05:42:38< uncleshelby> I notice that most of the Wesnoth source files don't include it.
20120304 05:43:26< shadowm> yeah; Wesnoth is written in C++ and uses C++-specific features and libraries to a greater extent for style and security reasons
20120304 05:44:04< uncleshelby> ah
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20120304 08:29:09< Ivanovic> moin
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20120304 19:02:34< kernigh> Whenever I am in the multiplayer lobby,
20120304 19:02:45< kernigh> and I see a game marked "good players only" or "expert only" or "no noobs",
20120304 19:02:50 * shadowm holds his breath
20120304 19:02:54< kernigh> it is often, almost without exception, a game of Isar's Cross.
20120304 19:13:45< ancestral> Joke's on them: good players, expert players, and non-noobs would never play Isar's Cross seriously
20120304 19:17:06< loonycyborg> And what's exactly wrong with it? Just curious..
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20120304 19:22:33< loonycyborg> Anyway, it's just weird. All cases of elitism, insults and ragequitting I've encountered personally were on Isar's :P
20120304 19:23:49< kernigh> I think that Isar's is popular because it is a small map, so it makes a faster game.
20120304 19:24:19< kernigh> Isar's is so small, I never recruit any scouts.
20120304 19:25:17< kernigh> But Isar's also makes bad habits, that don't work with other maps.
20120304 19:25:34< kernigh> I went into a game of Loris River, and I did not recruit enough scouts, and I got lost because I did not know the map.
20120304 19:26:03< Crendgrim> the few times I had problems with leavers were in so-called "no noobs" games...
20120304 19:28:16< kernigh> I have had problems with quitters on abnormal maps, like SurvivalXtreme or High Seas.
20120304 19:28:27< Crendgrim> okay, those I never played
20120304 19:28:29< kernigh> Back during 1.8 (I use 1.10 now), I would host games of High Seas.
20120304 19:28:58< kernigh> And the players would see the taverns, and the ships, and think that the map is too weird, and quit on turn 1.
20120304 19:29:26< kernigh> So I won multiple games of High Seas by being the only player after everyone else quit.
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20120304 19:29:40< kernigh> That was probably the main reason I liked High Seas so much.
20120304 19:30:16< Crendgrim> hehe
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