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20120311 03:52:15< Aethaeryn> I would actually prefer to use ed over Notepad.
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20120311 04:42:58< gjaldon> hi
20120311 04:43:34< gjaldon> which map pack is used for ladder matches?
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20120311 09:30:06< Ivanovic> moin
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20120311 09:55:04< enchilado> moin
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20120311 10:44:10< heinz> hi. are 1.8.x and 1.10.x clients using the same "official server"?
20120311 10:44:33< Ivanovic> if your question is: can a 1.10.x user play in one match with 1.8.x users: no
20120311 10:44:59< Ivanovic> the physical machine though is the same (meaning: the ip address is identical and depending on your version you are redirected to the correct server instance)
20120311 10:45:43< Ivanovic> due to balancing changes since 1.8.x it is not possible that 1.10.x users play with 1.8.x users since it would lead to huge amounts of "out of sync" errors
20120311 10:46:35< heinz> Ivanovic: my question is 'is it to be expected that there are only 20 people on "the" official server when connecting with 1.8, or do I better update' ;-}
20120311 10:46:43< Ivanovic> exactly
20120311 10:46:50< Ivanovic> you should update to 1.10.x
20120311 10:46:54< Ivanovic> since this is where the players are now
20120311 10:47:00< heinz> ok. thanks
20120311 10:47:12< Ivanovic> for user numbers have a look at http://wesnothd.wesnoth.org/
20120311 10:47:21< Ivanovic> "stable" = 1.10.x
20120311 10:47:27< Ivanovic> "old stable" = 1.8.x
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20120311 10:51:33< heinz> ok. thanks. I'll grab the 1.10.1 sources...
20120311 10:54:13< heinz> hm. the stats on that page say 'old stable' around 100, 'stable' at 30?
20120311 10:58:49< Ivanovic> ehm, no
20120311 10:59:10< Ivanovic> look at the graphs on the left, this is the "real" info
20120311 11:00:38< Ivanovic> sorry, i just finished my first cup of tea
20120311 11:00:47< Ivanovic> there seems to be a mixup with the user numbers
20120311 11:02:18< Ivanovic> there are currently some 120 users online which does match the graph for "old stable"
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20120311 11:02:49< heinz> ok
20120311 11:04:39< heinz> Ivanovic: do you suggest scons or cmake for building (on ubuntu 10.10)?
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20120311 11:04:50< Ivanovic> both should work nicely
20120311 11:05:15< Ivanovic> personally i use cmake, but the scons recipe is eg used to build the windows binaries as well as the binaries used on the mp server
20120311 11:05:30< Ivanovic> use whatever you prefer to use, it should not make much of a difference at all
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20120311 11:43:00< heinz> Ivanovic: looks like all went well painlessly for a cmake build on ubuntu 10.10. good work ;-) and -- yet another version of isar ;-|
20120311 11:43:32< Ivanovic> ah, changes like this are common, maps are slightly rebalanced every now and then...
20120311 11:49:24< heinz> I noticed...
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20120311 12:13:36< heinz> in 1.8, when clicking on one of my units during an opponent's move, I get the places highlighted to which I could move in my next turn. in 1.10 it looks like it highlights only the places which are reachable during last turn's remaining movement points
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20120311 12:14:50< heinz> I guess that's intentional and there's no preference settings to get the 1.8 behaviour?
20120311 12:15:22< heinz> it someone seems to impact "planning of the next turn"
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20120311 12:45:30< heinz> it somehow looks like "restoring movement" now happens before the next turn, and previously after the previous turn finished
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20120311 12:53:31< zookeeper> heinz, doesn't sound like it's intentional since it doesn't seem to make much sense that way
20120311 12:57:02< heinz> zookeeper: it _feels_ wrong at least
20120311 12:58:08< heinz> maybe it's just a matter of "getting used to". it's my first 1.10 game...
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20120311 17:02:57< pokoko222> do you guys expect to be accepted for gsoc?
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20120311 17:43:19< Ivanovic> pokoko222: we submitted a proposal, if we are accepted again depends on google
20120311 17:44:11< pokoko222> do you have lots of interested students so far?
20120311 17:44:37< pokoko222> I mean I am scared since ... how could I compete with people here that were already in the project
20120311 17:45:02< Ivanovic> pokoko222: why should you not be able to compete?
20120311 17:45:37< Ivanovic> and: every year we had more than thrice proposals than the had slots
20120311 17:45:43< pokoko222> well because I have not been involved in this project previously and lots of other students probably are
20120311 17:46:14< Ivanovic> most students in gsoc (yeah, those that are accepted, too) often have not known about wesnoth before, not to mention contributed
20120311 17:46:37< pokoko222> oh...
20120311 17:49:06< pokoko222> would you like to see short 2-3 min video of my last project games related? it was in october or something... 
20120311 17:49:34< pokoko222> it may give you an idea of my competence
20120311 17:51:56< Ivanovic> for competence we look at code
20120311 17:51:57< Ivanovic> ;)
20120311 17:52:08< Ivanovic> that is: preferably at patches against our code base
20120311 17:52:13< Ivanovic> since this shows two things:
20120311 17:52:16< Ivanovic> 1) you can code
20120311 17:52:31< Ivanovic> 2) you can make sense of our code (which is non trival in many areas!)
20120311 17:53:35< pokoko222> ok
20120311 17:59:34< pokoko222> Ivanovic: where can I see the ideas you guys posted for gsoc 2012?
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20120311 18:11:35< Ivanovic> i *think* it is this page, not 100% sure though: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas
20120311 18:21:55< pokoko222> tnx
20120311 18:22:10< pokoko222> gotta go, cya around soon
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20120311 23:01:50< Nissarin> any dev online ?
20120311 23:01:59< Nissarin> http://www.wesnoth.org/units/1.10/mainline/en_US/Lancer.html
20120311 23:02:11< Nissarin> check def on forest..
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20120311 23:54:51< fendrin_> Nissarin: elias is the person to ask about it.
20120311 23:56:14< Nissarin> felher thx, since you mentioned him I suppose he will notice my message 
20120311 23:58:36< Nissarin> fendrin_ *
20120311 23:58:38< Nissarin> duh
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