--- Log opened Sun Apr 01 00:00:27 2012
20120401 00:03:01< anonymissimus> neph: on a general note, you may find the ds function I wrote useful when working with the lua stack, see src/scripting/debug_lua.cpp
20120401 00:03:21< anonymissimus> improved that code I pastebinned for you somewhat
20120401 00:04:06< Crab_> neph: yes, you're right.
20120401 00:04:16< anonymissimus> you may need to add it to cmake still and define DEBUG_LUA
20120401 00:04:20< neph> Crab_, I also didn't have a proper look on how enemy attacks are calculated, but the code seemed to be inside a function not dedicated for that. (I should've looked better before asking, but You might not be here when I sit down to implement that). Should it be factored out?
20120401 00:04:43< Crab_> yes, feel free to factor it out
20120401 00:05:57< neph> offtop: I lost a whole week due to law problems back at home, which are almost unsolvable while i'm in glasgow. Some companies registered me as their worker and my parents must pay a fee now, for trying to hide that fact from the government. I obviously never worked there, but the police can't accept that fact while I am abroad, it's crazy
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20120401 00:06:34< neph> anonymissimus, ok, thank you. I remember that snippet from last summer, can't take a look now, since i'm on a different os
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20120401 00:54:09< anonymissimus> could someone confirm that something's very wrong with animations atm ? probably quite recently
20120401 00:55:27< anonymissimus> fights are very laggy, sounds don't play and such
20120401 00:55:48< anonymissimus> fendrin: did you modify unit code for normal scenarios ?
20120401 00:56:07< anonymissimus> that is, outside the editor
20120401 00:56:46< anonymissimus> looks like it
20120401 00:59:25 * anonymissimus hopes he's not the only one
20120401 00:59:33< anonymissimus> basically, it's unplayable atm
20120401 01:02:24< Ayne> working for me, but it's been a few hour since i last synchronized with the repo
20120401 01:03:24< anonymissimus> I would suspect r53726 to be responsible
20120401 01:04:07< shadowm> Crab_: does the AI ignore hidden (ambush, nightstalk, submerge) units, or it sees them?
20120401 01:04:52< Crab_> shadowm: it takes them into account sometimes, but it would not move closer to them if they're hidden in move_to_targets phase.
20120401 01:05:54< shadowm> vultraz, fendrin : the hover state frame for the label tool button in the editor appears to be slightly shifted downwards
20120401 01:06:16< shadowm> that is, if you move the mouse over that button, it will "move" downwards by one pixel or so
20120401 01:06:44< shadowm> alternatively, the normal state is slightly shifted upwards
20120401 01:10:35< shadowm> Crab_: it does however ignore (see through) fog and shroud, right?
20120401 01:12:11< shadowm> fendrin: also, please don't let UMC terrains into the "all" palette. It just managed to confuse the hell out of me because of the UtBS "lava"
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20120401 01:12:22< Crab_> shadowm: yes
20120401 01:13:03< shadowm> fendrin: actually, I cannot access the regular lava anymore. What's up with that?
20120401 01:14:40< shadowm> the only lava I get is the UtBS "lava", and the mainline lava chasm
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20120401 01:23:30< Alarantalara> shadowm: it's almost there: it appears to have been converted to an overlay...
20120401 01:24:14< Alarantalara> shadowm: it's an id conflict with UtBS. I'll fix it now
20120401 01:25:20< CIA-69> alarantalara * r53738 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/utils/terrain.cfg: give lava overlay in UtBS an id that does not conlfict with core
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20120401 01:29:33< Alarantalara> shadowm: duplicate ids used to not have any noticeable effects as they were only used for aliasing. fendrin started using them as actual ids
20120401 01:30:25< Alarantalara> and a lot of terrains suddenly broke
20120401 01:32:07< shadowm> well, maybe wmllint should learn to help with checking for those
20120401 01:32:38< shadowm> wesnoth should also complain, not just wmllint
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20120401 01:33:21< Alarantalara> Yeah, right now Wesnoth only complains if the terrain strings are the same
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20120401 09:26:17< Ivanovic> moin
20120401 09:26:28< shadowm> buenos días
20120401 09:27:19< Espreon> buon giorno
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20120401 09:28:00< boucman> bonjour
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20120401 10:22:59< CIA-69> mordante * r53739 /trunk/src/shared_object.hpp: Use NULL instead of 0.
20120401 10:23:01< CIA-69> mordante * r53740 /trunk/src/config.hpp: Use NULL instead of 0.
20120401 10:23:04< CIA-69> mordante * r53741 /trunk/src/scoped_resource.hpp: Use NULL instead of 0.
20120401 10:23:06< CIA-69> mordante * r53742 /trunk/src/log.hpp: Use NULL instead of 0.
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20120401 11:06:50< CIA-69> ivanovic * r53744 /trunk/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated Galician translation
20120401 11:06:52< CIA-69> ivanovic * r53743 /branches/1.10/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated Galician translation
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20120401 11:22:55< timotei> http://www.worldit.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/exploits_of_a_mom.png 
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20120401 12:40:20 * fendrin wonders if anyone can reproduce the lagging animations reported by anonymissimus.
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20120401 12:50:01< CIA-69> ivanovic * r53745 /branches/1.10/po/ (wesnoth/hu.po wesnoth-lib/hu.po wesnoth-tutorial/hu.po): updated Hungarian translation
20120401 12:50:46< Ivanovic> i am confident that anonymissimus can reproduce them!
20120401 12:50:52< Ivanovic> does he count under "anyone"?
20120401 12:53:41< fendrin> :-)
20120401 13:03:12< uzyszkodnik> Crab_ , can i bug you for a second?
20120401 13:04:58< Ivanovic> uzyszkodnik: you should just ask a question and wait for the reply
20120401 13:05:01< Ivanovic> that is the better approach
20120401 13:05:12< uzyszkodnik> Ivanovic, ok thanks
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20120401 13:10:56< Crab_> uzyszkodnik: yes
20120401 13:11:29< uzyszkodnik> Crab_ , i'm interested in the "AI: Make lua AI development and usage easier" SoC Idea, and i have a question about my idea to debug lua - i want debug lua inside the game via its api and then  allow a remote application to connect and control the debugging process - this way i would be able to write some debugging plugins for some of the most popular IDEs like eclipse etc and let everyone enjoy their desired way to debug, do you t
20120401 13:12:19< Crab_> uzyszkodnik: yes, I think that it is a good idea.
20120401 13:14:10< Crab_> but note that in wesnoth, it's frequently that C++ calls lua which calls C++ which calls lua which calls C++ ...
20120401 13:14:15< fendrin> Crab_: I remember you talking about predefined areas that help the ai to master a map.
20120401 13:14:32< fendrin> At fosdem.
20120401 13:14:59< Crab_> fendrin: yes. And, we've seen an example in 2009, with autogenerated areas which AI used
20120401 13:15:19< fendrin> autogenerated? Which game?
20120401 13:15:42< Crab_> DKs recruitment
20120401 13:16:04< fendrin> Ah yes.
20120401 13:16:04< uzyszkodnik> Crab_: ok thanks, the next question i have is about the boilerplate code - i guess i have to simply create some modules which will hold it?
20120401 13:16:17< Crab_> fendrin:  it analyzed the map and put some locations as 'important' and some leaders as 'important enemies'
20120401 13:16:49< Crab_> uzyszkodnik: whatever works for you. if it's self-contained enough, and plugs into wesnoth's lua support in 1-2 places, I think it'd be fine.
20120401 13:18:01< fendrin> Crab_: What do you need for that? I mean what do you expect the [ærea] tag to feature?
20120401 13:18:48< uzyszkodnik> Crab_: ok thanks
20120401 13:20:09< uzyszkodnik> btw i have a question concerning the evaluation of the application - do the patches commited after the proposal submission deadline count to overall punctation of the candidate?
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20120401 13:20:50< Crab_> uzyszkodnik: for about a week after the deadline, yes. 
20120401 13:21:55< uzyszkodnik> Crab_: thanks again
20120401 13:23:41< Crab_> fendrin: I think that we need a new type of side-specific SLFs...
20120401 13:23:48< Crab_> fendrin: for example, let's take 'avoid' aspect of the AI
20120401 13:24:15< Crab_> fendrin: it is a SLF, which can be set via [event] [modify_ai]
20120401 13:24:30< Crab_> fendrin: and it's often used to stop the AI from using some locations
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20120401 13:25:58< Crab_> fendrin: so, if you want to experiment, let's make two things - a way to set/verify SLFs from within the editor (by selecting locations by hand, by typing and checking, or by combination of both), and a engine which will run [modify_ai] at startup to set the [avoid] aspect.
20120401 13:26:38< Crab_> fendrin: i.e., one of the ways to do it is to set some specific-named variables from editor, and then use them in that event
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20120401 13:52:42< fendrin> Crab_: My plan was to introduce the new [area] tag. [area] includes an id and a SLF
20120401 13:52:54< Crab_> fendrin: ok, I see
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20120401 13:53:09< Crab_> fendrin: so, you'll make a way for SLF to match/reference areas ?
20120401 13:53:16< fendrin> From inside the editor that SLF will be filled with x,y= value pairs, one for each hex field belonging to the set.
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20120401 13:53:42< fendrin> Yes, [area] bind SLF to an id which can itself be used in a SLF again.
20120401 13:53:55< fendrin> Do you like the design?
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20120401 13:56:24< Crab_> fendrin: yes
20120401 13:56:46< Crab_> fendrin: I'd also like if it'd be possible to specify a [area] SLF by and, and let the editor show it)
20120401 13:57:13< Crab_> fendrin: i.e. that would allow a person to easily test if the SLF written as a formula is good.
20120401 13:57:25< fendrin> Indead.
20120401 13:57:40< fendrin> But recognize that this will make the editor more and more into running a game.
20120401 13:57:59< fendrin> I already have a gamestade, a time of day manager, teams, unitmap and some more.
20120401 13:58:35< fendrin> It makes the editor more complex.
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20120401 14:01:47< fendrin> Crab_: Do you have an opinion regarding fog and shroud?
20120401 14:02:34< Crab_> fendrin: it might be good if you would allow it to be simulated (i.e. "add a function to start this scenario from within the editor, optionally with jumping to side X under human control immediately" )
20120401 14:02:57< Crab_> fendrin: or you can just allow the editor to display it. I, personally, like if the editor would gain more features.
20120401 14:04:02< fendrin> Crab_: libSDL the next version.
20120401 14:04:25< fendrin> Crab_: It supports having several windows distributed over several monitors.
20120401 14:05:05< Crab_> fendrin: it'd be also fun if you allowed to switch to editor from within a game, but that's probably too hard.
20120401 14:05:07< fendrin> I could imagine one window with the editor while another window displays the game in some debug mode.
20120401 14:06:23< fendrin> Those could be linked. The game would also be connected to the eclipse ide or a simple text editor like emacs (lol).
20120401 14:07:11< fendrin> Allowing to comfortable develop a Wesnoth campaign.
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20120401 14:11:57< Crab_> fendrin: but, due to our heavy usage of the preprocessor ,it's not that easy:)
20120401 14:12:07< Crab_> fendrin: so, from editor-to-game is much easier.
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20120401 14:17:26< Danthar> hey all :)
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20120401 14:27:18< fendrin> Crab_: Yeah, I still don't know how to handle the preprocessing in the editor. I can make it load them but I am unable to save macros back to the file.
20120401 14:27:45< Crab_> yes, it's a problem
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20120401 14:34:11< mordante> servus
20120401 14:34:18< fendrin> hi mordante
20120401 14:34:25< mordante> hi fendrin 
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20120401 14:40:06< anonymissimus> fendrin: oh noes :(
20120401 14:40:21< fendrin> anonymissimus: hi
20120401 14:40:24< anonymissimus> yes I can reproduce it and its an absolute blocker
20120401 14:40:37< fendrin> Okay, don't panic.
20120401 14:40:48< anonymissimus> and it is caused by r53726
20120401 14:40:55 * mordante brings his towel
20120401 14:41:13< fendrin> anonymissimus: Please tell me how to reproduce.
20120401 14:41:15< anonymissimus> ok well, perhaps there is some prefernce which interferes
20120401 14:41:31< fendrin> maybe
20120401 14:41:36< fendrin> I have a fast machine.
20120401 14:41:40< anonymissimus> well, I can for instance, start the test scenario an just click end turn
20120401 14:42:14< anonymissimus> then the AI makes his attacks, which are clearly very laggy/choppy now
20120401 14:42:41< anonymissimus> I will try to check settings which seem likely to interfere
20120401 14:46:54< fendrin> anonymissimus: Okay, starting wesnoth -t and ending turn does not give me strange results. Everything graphic related is turned on in the preferences, I think they match the default ones.
20120401 14:47:36< Danthar> Quick Question, if I use {FLASH WHITE}, do I need to give it a certain times to flash or is it just one flash with standard duration?
20120401 14:47:40< fendrin> anonymissimus: Thus it might not be a preferences issue at all.
20120401 14:48:14< anonymissimus> well, I get this with the CodeBlocks/MinGw binary in windows, si anybody using that could make a check
20120401 14:49:00< fendrin> anonymissimus: I pray that it is not a win only issue. That will be hard to get for me.
20120401 14:49:07< anonymissimus> yep
20120401 14:49:45< fendrin> anonymissimus: Basically the commit does lift code from game_display to display which makes it running during an editor instance as well.
20120401 14:49:59< anonymissimus> well, if nobody else gets it I check on ubuntu and such
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20120401 14:50:37< fendrin> anonymissimus: Thus there is nothing semantically changed, just refactored and resorted between the files.
20120401 14:50:54< anonymissimus> if it's win only it's likely the win releases are affected as well; but I need ot wait now until has finished building until I can say anything
20120401 14:51:08< Danthar> oh never mind
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20120401 14:58:34< Danthar> hmmm, if I use [replace_map], should I have loaded that map in main.cfg somewhere? Because it's giving an error...
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20120401 15:03:42< fendrin> Danthar: On trunk?
20120401 15:05:24< Danthar> trunk?
20120401 15:07:16< Danthar> it gives an error in _main.cfg
20120401 15:07:37< Danthar> "undetermined [element] tag
20120401 15:07:38< Alarantalara> Danthar: you are using trunk if the version displayed is 1.11-svn
20120401 15:07:59< Danthar> oh, no, 10.1
20120401 15:08:38< Danthar> "undetermined [element] tag, value 'map' at" (and then my path)
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20120401 15:09:27< Danthar> o wait... was map renamed map_data some time ago? because that could explain it
20120401 15:09:41< Danthar> if the wiki wasn't updated
20120401 15:09:52< Danthar> I'll try that
20120401 15:11:46< Danthar> no that isn't it
20120401 15:13:00< Danthar> nvm
20120401 15:13:12< Danthar> human read failure
20120401 15:14:14< Danthar> works :D
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20120401 15:29:43< fendrin> anonymissimus: Does it come with high cpu consume?
20120401 15:30:26< nagafono> Crab_: hi, mordante checked my application on GSoC2012 site and recommend me to talk about timeline with you. if this is really important now, how particulary should i be in it? should i just write a couple abstract (perhaps "high-level" would be better word) segments  or make full plan? The last case is difficult for now because nothing was designed for now 
20120401 15:30:41< Crab_> nagafono: hello
20120401 15:31:45< Crab_> nagafono: at first but unrelated note, you should do 1-2 patches (or bugfixes)
20120401 15:33:05< Crab_> nagafono: then, for the timeline, since this is basically a research project atm, I recommend finding several backup goals if your basic approach won't work.
20120401 15:33:29< nagafono> Crab_: im working on it. i want to get the section from easycoding: "write a (fai or c++ or lua) candidate action for leader control". can you advice me what classes/files should i check first?
20120401 15:33:49< Crab_> nagafono: i.e., some easier and related behaviors that can be made even if there's lack of progress on the main idea - that would make a list of goals, a primary goal and backup, easier, goals.,
20120401 15:34:44< Danthar> ok so FLAS_WHITE Expects 1 argument... which?
20120401 15:34:45< nagafono> Crab_: well, i suppose my idea can be improved in any moment
20120401 15:35:22< Crab_> nagafono: use lua. also, check how mattsc has done leader control - there's thread on the forums (in http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=34976&start=150 ) where he's talking about making the AI protect some units
20120401 15:35:43< Crab_> nagafono: try his approach, see what's current capabilities of lua AI
20120401 15:36:12< Crab_> nagafono: then, do something similar, but with a different goal in mind 
20120401 15:36:25< Crab_> nagafono: (he's got code that you can download and use)
20120401 15:36:46< nagafono> Crab_: thx, will chack it right now
20120401 15:37:21< Crab_> nagafono: also, put up a nice replay where you play very defensively (can be against ai or against human)
20120401 15:37:55< Crab_> nagafono: since you have wesnoth experience, it'd be a plus since you can show that you know (as a player) how to defend.
20120401 15:38:12< nagafono> Crab_: give me a sec, i'll found one of my last ladder games
20120401 15:38:48< Crab_> yes, good as well. note that I'll be interested mostly in a replay where you play defensively according to your idea of the future AIs algorithm
20120401 15:39:35< Crab_> (basically, pretending that you're your ai with the algorithm implemented :) )
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20120401 15:44:08< Danthar> (ok solved that FLAS_WHITE problem too, sorry, i am asking too quickly it seems)
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20120401 15:50:49< nagafono> Crab_: here is the replay when i mainly used the  thing which  iwant to implement (sure, some modifications have a place, but well, that the difference between real player and ai): http://wesnoth.gamingladder.info/download-replay.php?reported_on=2012-03-20+20%3A30%3A26
20120401 15:51:03< Crab_> thanks
20120401 15:51:35< nagafono> Crab_: if you're interesting in full usage of this strategy i can play vs. ai now and show you how it would look in the perfect way
20120401 15:52:07< Crab_> no, not needed now
20120401 15:52:16< Crab_> but, if you'd have time, it might be useful
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20120401 16:01:36< anonymissimus> fendrin: CPU: no, dont think so
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20120401 16:02:24< anonymissimus> fendrin: do you have "animate map" enabled ? try deactivating that
20120401 16:03:09< anonymissimus> that makes a huge difference for me (test scenario)
20120401 16:04:59< anonymissimus> that is, if it's enabled it appears to be normal
20120401 16:08:12< fendrin> anonymissimus: I can reproduce it. Moving units works, but recruiting not. Thus I assume that disabled terrain animations leads to disabled unit animations as well.
20120401 16:08:43< anonymissimus> :)
20120401 16:08:49< anonymissimus> ok that makes sense
20120401 16:09:37< anonymissimus> though sometimes some parts of the attack animations were playing nonetheless
20120401 16:09:50< fendrin> It is a refreshing issue.
20120401 16:10:16< fendrin> If you debug create a unit that animates all the time, like the flying drakes or the saurians.
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20120401 16:10:56< bloodycoin_m> .
20120401 16:10:57< fendrin> You get a slide show when moving over the hex of the unit. We can see that the animation is working but it does not get drawn/refreshed.
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20120401 16:19:45< janebot> an important message for janebot users http://pastebin.com/pbVSvPHz
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20120401 16:39:38< mordante> Ivanovic, does the Pandora run an off the shelf version of SDL or a patched version?
20120401 16:40:11< mordante> I found this one, as well https://github.com/Cpasjuste/sdl-1.2.13_gles
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20120401 16:44:32< fendrin> anonymissimus: I think I got it.
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20120401 16:45:56< fendrin> anonymissimus: Of course the not semantical change thing was a lie.
20120401 16:52:39< anonymissimus> a mistake, not a lie
20120401 16:53:56< mordante> Ivanovic, nevermind found it
20120401 16:54:08< CIA-69> fendrin * r53746 /trunk/src/display.cpp: 
20120401 16:54:08< CIA-69> Fixed a bug caused by the unit drawing lifting into display.
20120401 16:54:08< CIA-69> Some spelling fixed and code formating.
20120401 16:54:15< fendrin> anonymissimus: ^ That should fix it for you.
20120401 16:55:15< fendrin> anonymissimus: It was just a matter of the order of the executed code that I merged during the lifting.
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20120401 17:12:05< Ivanovic> mordante: it has basically an off the shelf version
20120401 17:12:20< Ivanovic> *but* notaz later on added some hacks to allow the use of hardware acceleration for scaling and stuff
20120401 17:16:08< Ivanovic> mordante: cf http://boards.openpandora.org/index.php?/topic/6231-improved-sdl-for-pandora/
20120401 17:16:18< anonymissimus> fendrin: yup works; nice that this on first sight very obscure problem was actually straightforward to fix
20120401 17:19:04< CIA-69> caslav_ilic * r53747 /branches/1.10/ (26 files in 7 dirs): Updated translations for Serbian (intentionally not merging to trunk).
20120401 17:19:45< fendrin> anonymissimus: Yes, my feeling was it being a nasty bug as well.
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20120401 17:24:56< mordante> thanks Ivanovic 
20120401 17:27:01< Ivanovic> most of the changes of that libsdl are irrelevant for wesnoth
20120401 17:27:36< mordante> yeah just wanted to look at the inline assembly, which I hoped would be there
20120401 17:27:38< Ivanovic> in fact: they are not active since i don't set the env variable (and don't package the custom libsdl for older OS versions not using the latest beta)
20120401 17:28:02< Ivanovic> mordante: for assembler and optimization questions you should *really* speak to notaz|work in #openpandora
20120401 17:28:30< mordante> Ivanovic, I know ;-) just wanted to look at it
20120401 17:28:35< Ivanovic> his work on the sega megadrive emulator as well as the psx emulator (psx fullspeed with 600MHz!) is *freaking* fantastic
20120401 17:29:00< Ivanovic> mordante: that is: the sources of this emulator are probably what you want to look at for really advanced neon coding
20120401 17:29:34< Ivanovic> http://notaz.gp2x.de/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=pcsx_rearmed.git
20120401 17:29:35< mordante> ok will keep it in mind
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20120401 18:29:32< shadowm> the best method for determining the currently playing side in Lua is retrieving $side_number, right?
20120401 18:40:35< anonymissimus> shadowm: no, wesnoth.current.side
20120401 18:41:08< anonymissimus> (which should be exactly the same but more straightforward)
20120401 18:45:01< shadowm> uh, I guess I can't retrieve a unit's variation in lua directly and I must retrieve it from the WML?
20120401 18:47:08< shadowm> I only get nil from a given unit.variation, at least, and [move_unit] appears to be implemented to retrieve certain attributes as WML before passing to MUF for whatever reason (gender, variation, side, type)
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20120401 18:50:20< anonymissimus> shadowm: something like local variation = helper.get_child(unit.__cfg, "variation") should work (if you have only 1 at least)
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20120401 18:50:53< anonymissimus> and yes subtags aren't accessible like proxy values
20120401 18:51:05< anonymissimus> "MUF" ?
20120401 18:51:35< vultraz> Move Unit Fake
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20120401 18:51:45< vultraz> I think
20120401 18:51:52< shadowm> what vultraz said
20120401 18:52:05< anonymissimus> well some of the unit attributes aren't implemented as proxies
20120401 18:52:28< shadowm> hm, I didn't mean to access the [variation] child node, but the variation attribute, which may or may not exist
20120401 18:52:43< anonymissimus> and since I need at least one of them I need to call the .__cfg field anyway; so I can retrieve the other values from it as well
20120401 18:53:05< shadowm> ok, :inspect shows that I didn't make up that
20120401 18:53:17< shadowm> make that up
20120401 18:53:19< anonymissimus> variation attribute ?
20120401 18:53:35< shadowm> yes, variation attribute
20120401 18:53:49< Sapient> MUF lol
20120401 18:54:16< Sapient> so what are the april fool's plans?
20120401 18:54:54< zookeeper> i only started thinking about that today. haven't gotten any ideas.
20120401 18:54:54< shadowm> as far as I'm concerned: banning the first person to make an April Fools-themed topic in the forums
20120401 18:55:12< Sapient> surely nothing could top Dave's "Wesnoth Premium" Randomness thread
20120401 18:55:20< Sapient> that one was awesome
20120401 18:55:40< Sapient> oh I got an idea
20120401 18:55:52< Sapient> make Nym be transgender
20120401 18:56:00< vultraz> O.O
20120401 18:56:01 * zookeeper facepalms
20120401 18:56:04< shadowm> anonymissimus: I'll go with what move_unit does, since it works for me, but I'm curious why those attributes I mentioned cannot be obtained directly
20120401 18:56:09< zookeeper> translation: great idea
20120401 18:56:14< Sapient> or add a transgender to every campaign lol
20120401 18:56:20< vultraz> O_o
20120401 18:56:25< Sapient> new mandatory requirement
20120401 18:56:31< Sapient> for mainline acceptance
20120401 18:56:35< zookeeper> nah, that'd be too obvious.
20120401 18:56:43< zookeeper> changing one character, less so
20120401 18:57:06< vultraz> no, even better.
20120401 18:57:22< vultraz> say we're removing all campaigns except NR from mainline
20120401 18:57:37< Sapient> oh yeah, making NR the official beginner campaign
20120401 18:58:09< zookeeper> meh. i like things which are remotely plausible for most people initially.
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20120401 18:58:36< shadowm> anonymissimus: more specifically, why they haven't been "proxied" yet
20120401 18:58:59< anonymissimus> shadowm: most likely just because none needed it so far
20120401 18:59:09< Sapient> zookeeper: well we did have someone recently post in the user forum that NR was a good beginner campaign lol
20120401 18:59:19< zookeeper> oh? :x urgh...
20120401 18:59:32< Sapient> we could quote their post as the impetus behind the change ;)
20120401 19:00:18< anonymissimus> shadowm: I don't mind people adding getters for unit variables if it simplifies your code
20120401 19:00:45 * zookeeper takes a look at the FPI list for some ideas
20120401 19:00:55< anonymissimus> notably, calling the .__cfg field is expensive, so if it's done in a loop it may also speed up code notably
20120401 19:01:03< Sapient> I think it would only be funny if we included a youtube video of someone dying repeatedly in Infested Caves though
20120401 19:01:27< shadowm> anonymissimus: last time I messed with that you ended up doing it yourself anyway, so I won't be touching that crap again
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20120401 19:02:39< shadowm> !time utc
20120401 19:02:40< anonymissimus> IIRC you added a function, which was nicer as a proxy getter yes
20120401 19:03:16< anonymissimus> but since you need the code to work in 1.10 it is no option for you anyway I guess
20120401 19:03:32< shadowm> yeah
20120401 19:04:15< shadowm> but if I were to make a decision, I'd not deny 1.11.x users features only because I still use 1.10.x for UMC production ;)
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20120401 20:03:32< Danthar> So ehm... question, if I may... Music for the first scenario and the campaign, how to get one piece of music that runs through the story and the scenario (while there is talk between the chars)?
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20120401 20:04:32< gauravsingh00> hi!
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20120401 20:05:13< ancestral> Danthar: Music goes uninterrupted. Did you mean you want audio playing (like a conversation) over the music?
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20120401 20:08:06< Danthar> nope ancestral, I meant during the conversation my leaders have
20120401 20:08:17< Danthar> the music stops for me during that time.
20120401 20:08:22< ancestral> Hmm
20120401 20:08:53< Danthar> Either the music starts and stops after the intro, or the music continues but it's the main menu music
20120401 20:09:01< Danthar> before you select a campaign
20120401 20:09:24< shadowm> make sure both the first story part and the scenario proper set the same music track
20120401 20:10:12< shadowm> if you are using the SCENARIO_MUSIC macro for the latter, you may need to override an attribute it sets
20120401 20:10:13< Danthar> Ah? I should do it in the def of the story?
20120401 20:10:24< Danthar> Yes I was indeed
20120401 20:11:23< Danthar> http://pastebin.com/0reC6WL1 <- have it like that now
20120401 20:12:35< shadowm> first of all, it's suspense.ogg, not suspence.ogg, unless you've got  custom track with that name there. Second, I don't see the whole STORY macro definition there.
20120401 20:12:54< Danthar> oh thanks :D darn! nice catch!
20120401 20:13:45< Danthar> and there's nothing else in there except define story and then a few parts with story=
20120401 20:13:50< Danthar> nothing interesting
20120401 20:15:54< Danthar> and that typo fixed it, sweet!
20120401 20:16:10< Danthar> thanks shadowm
20120401 20:17:02< shadowm> no problem
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20120401 20:32:52< timotei> lol, 1st of april is so nice: https://bitbucket.org/spooning/
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20120401 21:10:30< boucman> and back
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20120401 21:24:09< CIA-69> jamit * r53748 /trunk/src/mouse_events.cpp: 
20120401 21:24:09< CIA-69> Use correct team to determine enemy status.
20120401 21:24:09< CIA-69> Also check for unit visibility.
20120401 21:24:09< CIA-69> Fixes bug #19381
20120401 21:26:31< jamit> Looks like my commit access works. :)
20120401 21:26:59< shadowm> changelog! also, I assume that's not eligible for backporting?
20120401 21:29:06< jamit> Right, changelog. Not sure about backporting. It wouldn't cause OOS (I think), but it changes what information a player can receive.
20120401 21:30:14< jamit> This is player-visible, but would it be significant enough for the player's changelog?
20120401 21:30:50< jamit> For reference: the bug is that clicking a unit can reveal the presence of an adjacent hidden enemy by highlighting the hidden unit's hex.
20120401 21:30:54< shadowm> I think so, since it's a gameplay bug
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20120401 21:34:25< CIA-69> jamit * r53749 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Changelog entries for previous commit
20120401 21:34:50< jamit> I will try to remember the log in the future.
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20120401 21:37:50< jamit> The odd thing about backporting that would be that it would (slightly) disadvantage the player with the higher version.
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20120401 21:39:17< shadowm> I can't tell whether this is spam or just a terrible self-promotion attempt: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&p=525336#p525336
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20120401 21:43:11< timotei> The latter I'd said.
20120401 21:43:18< timotei> He wants comments :P
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20120401 21:46:05< anonymissimus> shadowm: regarding backporting; I find it useful to wait with backporting until some spot shortly before a release and then backport everything at one spot; which means that I have to rebuilt only once for all the backports instead for each one
20120401 21:46:25< anonymissimus> so immediate reminders may not be productive
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20120401 21:48:19< shadowm> Eh, I did not understand, so never mind.
20120401 21:51:13< shadowm> Actually, I think I understand now, and that's absolutely wrong.
20120401 21:51:25< anonymissimus> why ?
20120401 21:53:06< vernon> Hello! I have found BoW among the organizations for this year's Google Summer of Code event. I'm really interested in sending in an application, is the event administrator on this channel?
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20120401 22:00:13< ancestral> vernon: This is the right channel
20120401 22:00:25< ancestral> vernon: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas
20120401 22:00:31< vernon> thanks
20120401 22:00:38< ancestral> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_People_to_bug_on_IRC
20120401 22:00:59< shadowm> anonymissimus: Firstly because I consider other people's access to prompt fixes and improvements to be far more important than my irrelevant personal sense of comfort with build counts and times. That said, I do try to find a balance that indirectly leads to reduced compiler waits; namely, I very rarely backport changes that affect internal APIs since it's more difficult in many cases to determine the full ramifications of ...
20120401 22:01:06< shadowm> ... their effects. As a result, I generally only backport trivial changes unless I have done extensive testing or fully comprehend the targeted componennt(s) at every conceivable level (internals, user interaction in both general and border use cases). When it comes to backporting to a stable branch, I also strongly believe that it's better to push eligible changes early so early adopters have time to report any unforeseen ...
20120401 22:01:12< shadowm> ... regressions or incompatibilities before the release is out in an immutable state. That said, I have made a few mistakes in the past, especially with 1.8.6 where I pushed a change before enough people had a chance to test it, and I was already using 1.9.x for UMC production so I didn't have an opportunity to test it very extensively.
20120401 22:02:22< shadowm> (And naturally, I learned from that mistake so I can avoid it in the future.)
20120401 22:04:10< shadowm> Now if your project builder will recompile the whole thing only because a single source code file that isn't included anywhere else was modified, then that's an entirely different problem.
20120401 22:05:43< shadowm> More generally: rushed deployments are a common ingredient in popular formulas for disaster.
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20120401 22:07:41< anonymissimus> sure I agree on the "push early so that it gets tested" part
20120401 22:08:27< shadowm> Also, I had forgotten about 1.10.2.
20120401 22:09:28< shadowm> From this point onwards until 1.10.2, I'd be leery of backporting fresh changes.
20120401 22:10:02< anonymissimus> well switching branches makes the compiler consider all files which have been changed in one of the branches since the split in a different way consider "changed" and thus recompile them
20120401 22:10:42< shadowm> I fortunately don't have a need to switch branches thanks to git-new-workdir.
20120401 22:11:17< anonymissimus> but double disk usage ?
20120401 22:11:26< shadowm> No such.
20120401 22:12:34< shadowm> https://pastebin.com/7RCgK4yE
20120401 22:14:08< shadowm> Now, if you meant double disk usage for the tree files like data/core/music, I still have 252 GiB to spare.
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20120401 22:23:03< shadowm> fendrin: I just stumbled upon this: http://pastebin.com/zdsAe0SW   Given the config class changes in 1.9.x, it'd make more sense to set those to an actual C++ bool true rather than that string thing
20120401 22:23:31< shadowm> It might even be more optimal, all this assuming they are intended to be booleans.
20120401 22:26:15< shadowm> To recapitulate, config now supports a few POD types for attribute values (e.g. bool, int, double) in a semi-transparent fashion, and it's prefered to use those instead of strings wherever possible.
20120401 22:28:49< fendrin> shadowm: Yeah, I see directly what you mean. No need for all the text.
20120401 22:29:20< shadowm> One can never be sure around here.
20120401 22:29:39< fendrin> :-)
20120401 22:31:18< fendrin> WIth all the gsoc students around it is surely not a mistake to be more verbose.
20120401 22:32:52< ejls> We are reading you. (signed: the GSoC students)
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20120401 22:56:19< CIA-69> jamit * r53750 /trunk/src/actions.cpp: 
20120401 22:56:19< CIA-69> Splitting move_unit() into smaller functions.
20120401 22:56:19< CIA-69> No functional changes (yet).
20120401 22:56:39< mordante> jamit, congrats with your commit access
20120401 22:57:10< jamit> The changes to move_unit() will come later. I just wanted to get the first piece in while I had a few moments.
20120401 22:57:28< jamit> Thanks, mordante.
20120401 22:57:35< mordante> you're welcome
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20120401 22:57:51< jamit> Later = probably later today, just not in a few minutes.
20120401 23:02:00< fendrin> ejls: :-)
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20120401 23:28:36< mordante> I'm off night
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