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20120403 00:22:23< Ayne> anonymissimus: I'm working on this bug at the moment https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19599 and I was thinking that to preserve compability with existing scripts it'd be best to remove ai_special_ but keep the methods and get/set the value of the guardian status instead. Is that ok?
20120403 00:23:40< shadowm> Ayne: please don't use color formatting on IRC, especially not black
20120403 00:24:03< anonymissimus> yup
20120403 00:24:33< shadowm> http://shadowm.rewound.net/f/irssi8.png
20120403 00:24:50< anonymissimus> Ayne: [unit]ai_special=guardian should still wirk, other than that OK
20120403 00:24:53< Ayne> shadowm: sorry, that wasn't on purpose, my IM client messes with formatting when I copy and paste. I'll try to remember and remove it in future
20120403 00:26:26< anonymissimus> your IRC windows looks very ugly IMHO xD
20120403 00:26:50< shadowm> they are not IRC windows
20120403 00:26:53< anonymissimus> white font on black background being the main reason
20120403 00:27:08< anonymissimus> yes its a shell
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20120403 00:29:22< shadowm> it's the only scheme I can look at for extended periods of time without getting an urge to pluck my eyeballs out
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20120403 00:49:18< fendrin> hello :-)
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20120403 04:13:31< CIA-69> nephro * r53758 /trunk/ (data/ai/scenarios/scenario-lua-ai.cfg src/ai/lua/core.cpp): 
20120403 04:13:31< CIA-69> (1)LuaAI ai.get_avoid() now provides the correct coordinates(not offset by -1),
20120403 04:13:31< CIA-69> this reduced some code duplication and code inconsistency (2)Tweaked ai.attack()
20120403 04:13:31< CIA-69> of LuaAI to consider weapons are numbered from 1 and so forth, so that this
20120403 04:13:31< CIA-69> function is more consistent to the Lua indexing style
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20120403 04:25:15< Espreon>     /win 15
20120403 04:25:23< Espreon> Sorry.
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20120403 06:21:55< Nephro> I can use the last year's account on google-melange to register for this year, right?
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20120403 06:36:01< mattsc> Nephro, I just compiled the latest version with your fixes (r53758).
20120403 06:36:18< Nephro> Is everything fine?
20120403 06:36:37< mattsc> I confirmed that ai.get_avoid() and ai.get_dstsrc() and ai.get_enemy_dstsrc() have been fixed.
20120403 06:37:06< mattsc> I'll check out the rest tomorrow.  Need to move on to other things now.
20120403 06:37:12< mattsc> Thanks for doing all that!
20120403 06:37:54< Nephro> Np, those were my bugs anyway :) Feel free to poke me when you encounter a bug of mine, or anything Lua specific at all
20120403 06:38:17< mattsc> Will do.  Good night (on my side of the globe now)
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20120403 06:38:46< faryshta> I can't figure out how to use the GIMP to make the mock up.
20120403 06:38:56< Nephro> (it's already night in Canada, nephro forgot to sleep his own night in Europe)
20120403 06:39:33< mattsc> (once your my age, you will notice that sleep is good.  ;)
20120403 06:39:43< mattsc> bye
20120403 06:39:48< faryshta> Can someone help me with gimp?
20120403 06:39:49< Nephro> mattsc, I know sleep is good, not proud of my behaviour
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20120403 06:40:13< Nephro> faryshta, not me, never used it
20120403 06:40:35< faryshta> I was asked to use it for the GSoC.
20120403 06:40:37< Nephro> try #gimp maybe? There should be someone up at this time
20120403 06:40:41< faryshta> And I have no idea how.
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20120403 06:41:29< Nephro> faryshta, what are you working on?
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20120403 06:45:34< faryshta> A redesign for the attack dialog.
20120403 06:45:37< faryshta> Nephro, 
20120403 06:49:41< Nephro> faryshta, in that case, I assume, the orgs probably wanted you to make a mockup of the UI changes you are planning. A good and simple way of doing that is by taking a screenshot of the current UI and overlaying your prototype UI over the changed parts
20120403 06:50:25< Nephro> it mustn't certainly be complicated, a low fidelity prototype will usually do the trick
20120403 06:50:40< Nephro> you can even do that in something simple like paint
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20120403 06:52:51< Nephro> but I seriously need some sleep
20120403 06:52:53< Nephro> gn
20120403 06:55:35< faryshta> That is what I am attempting to do but I have never edited any screen shot.
20120403 06:55:38< faryshta> Nephro, 
20120403 07:01:18< faryshta> nop #gimp is dead
20120403 07:01:29< faryshta> Where is my mentor now?
20120403 07:03:16< faryshta> Crab_ gabba I have no idea on how to use gimp or any other image edition software.
20120403 07:07:44< faryshta> The modifications I want for the dialog are simple and based on this http://www.touchjuegos.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/descargar-el-apk-juego-The-Battle-for-Wesnoth-v1.8.6.1-Android.jpg
20120403 07:08:36< faryshta> on the left side next the attacker unit there will be one up arrow, one down arrow, an X/Cancel button and a damage calculation button.
20120403 07:08:56< faryshta> If there is a need for more than one unit attacking then the same thing is pasted below.
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20120403 13:52:49-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.10.2 planned for April 7th, string freeze for branches/1.10 | Wesnoth accepted in GSoC 2012 | http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas | 0 bugs, 328 feature requests, 14 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20120403 16:23:29< HappyKsuh> Hi everyone!
20120403 16:33:53< hankerspace> Hi HappyKsuh
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20120403 16:52:48< Ayne> hi
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20120403 16:52:59< Ayne> am I supposed to leave things I commented out in the patch file?
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20120403 16:57:28< Steel_S> Hi there
20120403 17:01:50< Crab_> Ayne: hi
20120403 17:02:18< Crab_> Ayne: yes, I'd like to see a patch with all those comments
20120403 17:02:25< Crab_> (if that's what you're talking about)
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20120403 17:06:20< Ayne> Crab_: I don't think so.. What I mean is I've been working on this bug https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19599 and I commented out all the lines were ai_special_ was used and replaced them. I was wondering if I should leave the old (commented out) code in for now until you guys had a look at it or take it out
20120403 17:06:49< Crab_> Ayne: ah, I see. I thought you were talking about playcampaign.cpp patch.
20120403 17:06:53< Crab_> Ayne: in that case, take it out.
20120403 17:07:18< Crab_> Ayne: it's easy to remove code, because the version control system stores all the previous versions
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20120403 17:07:27< Crab_> Ayne: so, stuff can be thrown out and later compared/restored
20120403 17:07:46< Crab_> Ayne: and, you'll submit a patch, so we'll know what you've changed and we'll look at it before submitting.
20120403 17:08:27< Ayne> Crab_: yeah, just wanted to make sure
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20120403 17:35:19< trademark_>  While I was reading the code, I found a function which could be writen in a better way, so I did and I test. But it's just few lines of code, what should I do with it ?
20120403 17:40:25< elias> make a patch
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20120403 17:41:41< elias> trademark_: devs will always want a patch even if it changes only one letter, because they can apply it with "git apply" instead of having to open an editor
20120403 17:42:45< vultraz> hehehehe
20120403 17:44:17< trademark_> svn no ? :)
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20120403 17:45:43< trademark_> but ok I'll do that later (if I found other stuff to make better).
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20120403 17:55:04< mattsc> Nephro.  I tested your mods and confirmed the following:
20120403 17:55:27< mattsc> get_avoid() now gives the correct coordinates
20120403 17:56:38< mattsc> The different varieties of dstsrc() and srcdst() don't hang Wesnoth any more when the side has no moves left and they give different (and correct) results for dstsrc() and srcdst().
20120403 17:58:27< mattsc> However, the weapon number fix doesn't seem to work.  I had an orcish archer attack an orcish grunt and he always uses the ranged weapon, no matter what weapon number I use (including non-sensical ones like 0, 3 or 17)
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20120403 17:59:37< mattsc> I think that's all, or did I miss something you did?
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20120403 18:25:33< Ivanovic> hi
20120403 18:26:32< vultraz> hey
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20120403 18:37:12< neph> mattsc, that's probably all, thanks for the tests, I'll check out the attacks right away, after reboot
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20120403 18:41:42< trademark_> To move an unit, the movement area is calculated from the current position and the step remained. Is there a reason that is not calculated from the original position ? Simpler, Why cannot we move an unit in a area as much as we want (for example, go to (0, 0) than (0, 1) than (0 ,0) indefinitely) ?
20120403 18:43:14< anonymissimus> mattsc: btw why were all those bugs you knew of unreported ?
20120403 18:44:00< anonymissimus> pls make sure you report all of them now so they get fixed (either here in IRC or in the tracker then in case something is left which you know of)
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20120403 18:44:49< mattsc> anonymissimus: uh...  Good question.  Oops...
20120403 18:46:02< Crab_> anonymissimus: some of them were reported via forum PM, but I wasn't able to fix them in time :)
20120403 18:46:06< mattsc> Well, some of them were because I did not know whether they were bugs or features and didn't get any confirmation to my questions on the forums.  But that's probably not the right place to post them anyway
20120403 18:46:32< mattsc> As Crab_ syas ...  :)
20120403 18:47:19< Nephro> mattsc, could you give me the test scenario you tested the weapon bug with? I am looking at the code now and it looks correct to me
20120403 18:47:19< anonymissimus> ok, thats not a very good way of reporting a bug; also since other devs who may have time to deal with them don't notice :)
20120403 18:48:00< mattsc> yep.  I agree.  (I'm still a newbie of how all this works though; yesterday was the first time I did anything on IRC :) )
20120403 18:48:40< mattsc> Or complied Wesnoth, as a matter of fact...
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20120403 18:48:51< cjhopman> anyone have a link to the git tarball for wesnoth?
20120403 18:49:21< mattsc> Well, do you prefer me to post them here?  As I said, with some of them I am not certain whether they are bugs or features, and some of them are feature request more so than bugs.  I'm a little hesitant to put in bug reports for the ones I am not sure about.
20120403 18:49:58< mattsc> ... but I will, if that's how I should do it.
20120403 18:50:39< Nephro> mattsc, you can just post them with no worries, we can just skip the ones that aren't actual bugs
20120403 18:51:02< anonymissimus> I guess you should talk about them here first and in case it's a bug which can't be solved quickly we can make a report
20120403 18:51:33< mattsc> Nephro, ok, give me a few minutes to put something together that works without requiring other files.  Maybe I did the test incorrectly.
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20120403 18:53:12< mattsc> Just to confirm, to attack from (19,10) to (19,9) with weapon 1, I should use 'ai.attack(19,10,19,9,1)', right?
20120403 18:54:19< mattsc> anonymissimus: ok, will do so in a little while
20120403 18:54:50< Nephro> mattsc, I'm not sure, but I think the weapon should be the 4th argument
20120403 18:54:57< Nephro> I'll look deeper
20120403 18:55:42< mattsc> Nephro: not according to the wiki: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Customizing_AI_in_Wesnoth_1.8#Lua_AI_syntax
20120403 18:55:51< mattsc> And I am pretty sure that I have used it like that before
20120403 18:56:17< Nephro> It certainly wasn't modified for quite a while
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20120403 18:57:24< mattsc> Oh, there's also the method of giving it a unit rather than coordinates as arguments.  Let me test quickly whether that works
20120403 18:58:49< Nephro> yes, it's actually the same method, the only difference is in how it parses the first 2 or 4 arguments(2 if units given, 4 if coordinates)
20120403 18:59:01< Nephro> you can also do attack(unit, x,y....)
20120403 18:59:10< Nephro> or even attack(x,y,unit)
20120403 18:59:28< mattsc> Yeah.  And I just tested.  Same result for the weapon choice.
20120403 19:01:00< Nephro> mattsc, looks to me as the function is actually attack(unit/x,y , unit/x,y, aggression, weapon)
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20120403 19:02:02< Nephro> yes, the weapon number is converted last, so it's right after the aggression
20120403 19:02:07< Nephro> there must be an error in the wiki's
20120403 19:02:32< mattsc> ok
20120403 19:03:18< mattsc> So if you want to give it a weapon number, you need to also give it an aggression?  That sounds the wrong way around to me?
20120403 19:03:24< anonymissimus> Nephro: and you need to increase that index parameter
20120403 19:03:29< Nephro> yes, that's problem
20120403 19:03:52< Nephro> anonymissimus, no, that's done, the problem is that, you can't set a weapon if you don't pass an aggression
20120403 19:04:09< mattsc> As in, it would be much more common to choose a specific weapon, but go with default aggression than the other way around.
20120403 19:04:12< Nephro> this is the case where I should swap around the code instead of swapping around the wiki
20120403 19:04:19< Nephro> yes, indeed
20120403 19:04:28< mattsc> Ok, good.  Looks like we agree.
20120403 19:04:35< mattsc> Do you still want the test scenario?
20120403 19:04:48< Nephro> just try passing it the aggression and the weapon right now, if it's ok, I'll swap things up
20120403 19:05:07< Nephro> mattsc, well, if you can give it one test, then I probably don't really need it
20120403 19:05:13< Nephro> the code is trivial ther
20120403 19:05:43< anonymissimus> Nephro: the usual way the lua functions do that is passing nil for the intermediate parameter
20120403 19:07:40< mattsc> Yes, it works.  (Although I need to pass it weapon #3 to get the melee attack.  That's because Lua indices can be in random order.)
20120403 19:08:41< Nephro> anonymissimus, in this case, i think, it's better to just swap things up, so that 90% wouldn't have to contain a nil in the args
20120403 19:09:03< mattsc> ... so I think that's not a problem with your code, but a property of Lua.  It needs to be taken into account when programming Lua AI code.  (And I will point that out on the wiki)
20120403 19:12:04< CIA-69> nephro * r53759 /trunk/src/ai/lua/core.cpp: LuaAI context: swapped arguments for the ai.attack() function, to correspond to the wiki definition
20120403 19:12:54< mattsc> Nephro: it still takes invalid weapons numbers though, like 0 or 17.  And it does not default to the best weapon in that case.  Is that intentional?
20120403 19:13:11< Nephro> mattsc, if you could quickly pull that and try out, I'd be very thankful :) core.cpp compiles very fast and doesn't recompile any other files
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20120403 19:14:02< Nephro> mattsc, that's a behavioral feature of the actual attack code implementation, Lua just calls the C++ code, I will look at how the C++ attack treats invalid weapons
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20120403 19:15:20< mattsc> Nephro: ok.  Compiling as I type.
20120403 19:18:27< Nephro> mattsc, it looks to me, that the attack shouldn't be carried out, if an invalid weapon is selected
20120403 19:18:41< mattsc> that's what I thought
20120403 19:21:41< mattsc> Stupid question: is it possible from the launched executable to tell me what revision I am using?  I complied it and think I did it right, but the behavior did not change.
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20120403 19:22:27< mattsc> Looking at 'About' just tells me Version 1.11-svn (1.11-svn)
20120403 19:23:19< Crab_> mattsc: what's in the title window?
20120403 19:23:36< Crab_> or, use   :version
20120403 19:25:56< mattsc> All of those just tell me 1.11-svn
20120403 19:26:47< mattsc> I want to confirm that I am really using r53759 (I'm pretty sure; the date of the executable is certainly from a few minutes ago)
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20120403 19:40:21< mattsc> Nephro, assuming that I compiled this correctly (I think I did), the behavior did not change.  The last argument determines which weapon is used.
20120403 19:41:20< Nephro> mattsc, that's because I'm stupid
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20120403 19:41:42< mattsc> Oh, good.  I thought it was because I was stupid.  ;)
20120403 19:44:06< gabba> Hi all
20120403 19:45:33< CIA-69> nephro * r53760 /trunk/src/ai/lua/core.cpp: Fix: make the previous commit actually work
20120403 19:45:52< Nephro> sorry for that, I'm really sleepy
20120403 19:46:01< Nephro> should do the job now
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20120403 19:52:50-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.10.2 planned for April 7th, string freeze for branches/1.10 | Wesnoth accepted in GSoC 2012 | http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas | 165 bugs, 0 feature requests, 15 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20120403 19:53:38< vultraz> O.O where did all the FRs go
20120403 19:53:52< Nephro> probably got implemented :)
20120403 19:54:19< Crendgrim> this morning it was 328 feature requests.
20120403 19:54:24< vultraz> just earlier that number was 328
20120403 19:54:33< Crendgrim> I doubt that so many FRs got closed today.
20120403 19:54:57< vultraz> maybe we got mega coder
20120403 19:55:12< Crendgrim> I guess we should have seen some more commits then :p
20120403 19:55:48< vultraz> yeah...
20120403 19:56:00< vultraz> or the patch number go up
20120403 19:57:18< vultraz> plus some of the FRs were years old
20120403 19:57:42< mattsc> Nephro: ok, the third argument determines the weapon now.  But the choice of weapon number is still strange
20120403 19:58:32< mattsc> I'm using an Elvish Archer (1 melee, 1 ranged attack) against an Orcish Grunt.  Weapon -1 makes him use the bow, as it should
20120403 19:58:34< Crendgrim> vultraz: look at gna.org, there are still 339 open FRs
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20120403 19:59:02< Crendgrim> so, who is working on wesbot and can sort that out?
20120403 19:59:51< mattsc> Weapons 0 and 1 are also the bow.  Weapons 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. make him use the sword.
20120403 20:00:47< mattsc> Looking at the unit's Lua table, the sword is listed first, then the bow.  So something's fishy here.
20120403 20:01:21< mattsc> As I understand it, weapon #1 should be the sword, 2 = bow, -1 = best weapon (bow, in this case), and all other values should not work.
20120403 20:03:07< Nephro> mattsc, you'll need to send me that scenario you are using, I'll just run it through a debugger and find out what's going on
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20120403 20:04:30< mattsc> Nephro: here's the scenario:  http://pastebin.com/BS8ySHQU
20120403 20:04:47< mattsc> It contains a bunch of unnecessary junk for this purpose, but should work
20120403 20:04:53< mattsc> Just use it with any map of yours.
20120403 20:05:54< mattsc> You then want something like this http://pastebin.com/Cx5JU9L6 in a file "~add-ons/LuaAI_tests/lua_manual.lua"
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20120403 20:06:46< mattsc> That way you can simply modify those commands and use them with the right-click menu option without having to restart Wesnoth.
20120403 20:07:14< mattsc> I have to sign off for an hour or so right now though.
20120403 20:07:22< mattsc> Will be back later.
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20120403 20:16:29< fendrin> hello
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20120403 20:32:07< anonymissimus> well; FRs at gna are basically useless; so counting 300 something as 0 is correct :)
20120403 20:32:21< Crendgrim> ;)
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20120403 20:40:23< HappyKsuh> It looks like I have a problem, trying to compile current release of Wesnoth in VC2010. The problem is when i follow the instruction of downloading and installing all the libs needed, I'm stuck with "Zlib". It doesn't compile on my system, maybe smb have similar problem on Windows x64?
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20120403 21:14:27< anonymissimus> HappyKsuh: you don't need to compile any dependencies; follow the (2) guide here: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CompilingWesnothOnWindows
20120403 21:16:41< HappyKsuh> anonymissimus: "Download the archive containing all required includes and libraries:" :(
20120403 21:16:52< HappyKsuh> anonymissimus: thanks
20120403 21:19:12< HappyKsuh> anonymissimus: btw, what's wrong here https://gna.org/bugs/?19545 with changing if construction to while? 
20120403 21:23:26< anonymissimus> HappyKsuh: I have nothing to add to my comment in that report
20120403 21:24:42< anonymissimus> nothing wrong per se, but it changes trhe behavior of a wml tag; and it has to be assumed that someone will complain about it much later when the GSoC people making the change are long gone; that's why I need to carfully watch wml/lua API changes :)
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20120403 21:25:53< HappyKsuh> anonymissimus: I see
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20120403 21:35:56< mattsc> Nephro: I'm back.  Let me know if you have problems with that test scenario.
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20120403 21:56:12< mattsc> anonymissimus, all: I looked over my Lua AI wish list.  The things Nephro's been working on are the only real bugs.  The rest is really feature request (although some of them are essential IMHO).  Do you want me to list those here?
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20120403 21:57:33< anonymissimus> hm IRC is perhaps not the best place to list them; that could be sort of a TODO list for Nephro's GSoC
20120403 21:58:26< anonymissimus> ask him...and perhaps highlight him, not me
20120403 21:58:49< mattsc> Agreed.  And I sent the list to both Nephro and Crab in PMs a few days ago.
20120403 21:59:09< anonymissimus> which built system did you use to compile btw ? on ubuntu I get the revision shown in the top bar
20120403 21:59:09< mattsc> Nephro:   Maybe you could add those to your wiki page?
20120403 21:59:32< mattsc> I'm on a Mac.  Using Xcode.
20120403 21:59:37< anonymissimus> on windows I need to look into the log viewer of tortoiseSVN or git
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20120403 22:00:02< anonymissimus> well, no idea then but seems it doesn't support that revision thingy
20120403 22:00:47< anonymissimus> did it went well with compiling ? we could really use some more Mac developers :)
20120403 22:01:44< mattsc> I had a hell of a time at the beginning, but that was due to my own stupidity and impatience.  Once I actually did what the wiki tells me to do, it went without a hitch.  :)
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20120403 22:05:33< mattsc> I'm sure that I can see the revision number in Xcode somehow, I just don't know how.  (As I said before, I'm really not a programmer/developer, so I only have a bare-bone knowledge of all these things.)
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20120403 22:11:16< anonymissimus> that doesnt matter; Crab_ already tried to "recruit" you didn't you notice ? :P you cope well with lua in any case
20120403 22:11:47< anonymissimus> you should be able to see which revision you are at in your subversion client's log viewer
20120403 22:12:36< anonymissimus> not in Xcode...under the condition that the setup is similar to the on on windows
20120403 22:13:31< CIA-69> ivanovic * r53762 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/it.po wesnoth-lib/it.po): updated Italian translation
20120403 22:13:32< CIA-69> ivanovic * r53761 /branches/1.10/po/ (wesnoth/it.po wesnoth-lib/it.po): updated Italian translation
20120403 22:14:08< mattsc> Oh, I noticed.   :)  Yes, when I update the svn files, it tells me what version I just downloaded.  I just wanted to make sure that the executable I was using was the correct one (since the behavior had not changed after the update, but we found the reason for that).  I think it's all good now.  Thanks.
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20120403 22:39:47< Nephro> mattsc, I haven't touched the attacks since you went afk, I was filling in my questionnaire
20120403 22:40:04< Nephro> mattsc, I could certainly connect your list to my page, that would be great
20120403 22:41:20< mattsc> Nephro, sounds good and no rush (as far as I am concerned)
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20120403 22:42:41< Nephro> Crab_, at which point does my proposal become submitted to google? I done the needed steps on the melange page, but my proposal seems to be in the unsubmitted category on the Ideas page
20120403 22:43:00< Crab_> Nephro: your proposal is submitted to google
20120403 22:45:02< Crab_> I've marked it as such on ideas page
20120403 22:45:40< Nephro> Crab_, Ok. I am currently working on the wiki page, should be completed today. Then I'll do the map caching system mockup in Lua, I gave it lots of thought and I think I could do something like that in a matter of two hours.
20120403 22:45:52< Crab_> ok, great
20120403 22:46:34< Nephro> That will add some boilerplate code :D But I think I know how I will be able to get rid of it
20120403 22:47:49< Crab_> let me know if you'll need me to look at something
20120403 22:48:27< Nephro> Crab_, I had this concern: if we start writing the AI system parts in Lua(not LuaAI players, but tools for running these AIs), don't we need to hide this stuff from the potential users in the release builds?
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20120403 22:50:09< Nephro> cause to me it seems, while it is perfectly ok, if the users decides to hack around scenario files, it's not so good if they start touching the system parts, that are kept in .lua files
20120403 22:50:56< Crab_> Nephro: it's perfectly ok if they do, I think
20120403 22:51:16< Crab_> Nephro: we should document things that are 'official', and ensure that they don't change often
20120403 22:51:31< Crab_> (and don't change without a valid reason)
20120403 22:52:31< mattsc> Crab_: isn't anything that's in the core folder "off limits" - or at least it's your own fault if you mess with it?
20120403 22:52:42< Crab_> your own fault, I'd say
20120403 22:53:16< Crab_> the source is available even for C++, if someone wants to mess with it
20120403 22:53:51< mattsc> Yeah, that's how I deal with it.  If I want to change any of that, I make local copies of it and then mess with those.
20120403 22:54:33< Crab_> also, if you use git or svn, you don't need to make 'local copies' 
20120403 22:55:13< mattsc> Nephro: so yeah, I agree with Crab_.  I think it's fine to have those available to the user.  In fact, having examples like that has helped me a lot in figuring out how some of the FAI and LAI stuff works.
20120403 22:55:21< mattsc> Crab_: true
20120403 22:56:10< Nephro> mattsc, I want to write a caching system in Lua and keep it in a separate file. If someone touches that, it will corrupt all of the scenarios using Lua for AI players
20120403 22:56:21< Nephro> that's what I am worried about
20120403 22:57:31< mattsc> I see.
20120403 22:58:34< Crab_> Nephro: add a proper comment to the file, at least.
20120403 22:58:48< anonymissimus> Nephro: there are already even core wml files which can easily cause all sorts of problems when edited by the user
20120403 22:58:59< gabba> Hmm, tried building Wesnoth under windows (VS2008) to be able to do quick tests without rebooting under linux, and it seems to work fine using instructions at http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CompilingWesnothOnWindows#Compiling_Wesnoth_on_Windows_.282.29 -- except that at the end, it stumbles upon "error C2471: cannot update program database 'd:\code\wesnoth_trunk\projectfiles\vc9\debug (fast)\vc90.pdb".
20120403 22:59:04< anonymissimus> so thats not new
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20120403 22:59:34< gabba> Anybody familiar with that? I checked that files are not read-only; checking file permissions but I don't see why there'd be any trouble with that
20120403 22:59:47< anonymissimus> i get that error at random
20120403 23:00:07< anonymissimus> it generally disappears when I retry
20120403 23:00:34< anonymissimus> and fast debug is useless btw; its not faster than debug
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20120403 23:00:41< anonymissimus> but less useful
20120403 23:00:57< gabba> is it? I'll go with standard I guess then.
20120403 23:01:30< tyrannodogg> may i ask a general question: will candidates already involved in wesnoth favored in ranking process?
20120403 23:03:21< Crab_> tyrannodogg: not directly. but their better knowledge of AI codebase is an advantage for them, usually.
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20120403 23:05:16< anonymissimus> tyrannodogg: in case you agree to become an active wesnoth codebase maintainer after your GSoC time is over that'd be a great plus for you :P
20120403 23:05:36< Crab_> anonymissimus: it's hard to 'agree' for that, because it's purely voluntary
20120403 23:06:15< gabba> Can visual studio take advantage of multiple cores for compiling?
20120403 23:07:33< Crab_> I'd say "yes"
20120403 23:07:58< gabba> Oh great... after a rebuild "error C2471: cannot update program database 'd:\code\wesnoth_trunk\projectfiles\vc9\debug\vc90.pdb'"
20120403 23:08:14< Crab_> tyrannodogg: basically, the amount of work you put into your application is the most important factor.
20120403 23:08:57< trademark_> Crab_, I submitted a patch, it's a little improvement I found while I read the code. I gtg for now but feel free to watch it if you have time ofc. Thanks.
20120403 23:10:42< Crab_> trademark_: great, thanks
20120403 23:11:02< anonymissimus> gabba: does it disappear when you retry ?
20120403 23:11:21< Crab_> trademark_: btw, have you submitted your application to google?
20120403 23:11:33< gabba> anonymissimus: did an svn update and I'm building again, we'll seee
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20120403 23:11:59< gabba> but with the fast debug build mode, restarting visual studio and/or deleting the pdb file didn't help
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20120403 23:12:24< gabba> Maybe its TortoiseSVN/Git/Hg hogging the file locks
20120403 23:12:30 * anonymissimus wishes he could make a rebuilt with MSVC in only ~10 minutes like gabba
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20120403 23:13:39< anonymissimus> MSVC sometimes interferes with the VCS yes
20120403 23:16:17< gabba> Those Tortoise things sound awesome until your realize that having them all installed makes your context menu take up to 30 seconds to appear if any other program is using the HD :/
20120403 23:16:52< gabba> Too bad the Windows command line sucks so much
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20120403 23:19:10< gabba> Ok, so now it seems stuck in building mode but I have no idea of what it's doing. Go VS.
20120403 23:23:29< Crab_> gabba: reboot, clean, build ? :)
20120403 23:23:44< gabba> eh, seriously, reboot?
20120403 23:23:53< gabba> Should I also change my motherboard?
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20120403 23:25:00< Crab_> gabba: probably not :) but if some files are held open, it's possible to open a special program to see what's being held.. but rebooting would take less time. if the problem would repeat, that's another matter.
20120403 23:25:22< gabba> Yeah, I have Unlocker for that
20120403 23:25:32< gabba> But it sounds like I'm affected by this: https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/309462/c2471-error
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20120403 23:25:58< gabba> Supposedly fixed... maybe my VS2008 isn't up-to-date? I thought Windows Update took care of that.
20120403 23:26:02< anonymissimus> which version of OS/MSVC is it btw ?
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20120403 23:26:20< anonymissimus> I mean OS version
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20120403 23:26:47< gabba> Windows 7 x64
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20120403 23:27:51< anonymissimus> okay...well I don't think anybody is using such setup
20120403 23:28:08< anonymissimus> other than exasperation but he's only a patcher and MIA
20120403 23:28:21< gabba> Visual Studio is version 9.0.21022.8 RTM
20120403 23:28:23< anonymissimus> => you are f*cked with such setup
20120403 23:28:39< gabba> Yay
20120403 23:29:18< gabba> Meh, I guess I'll install VS2010 eventually, I've been meaning to get it from my university
20120403 23:29:32< anonymissimus> perhaps that helps
20120403 23:29:56< anonymissimus> the building should go in almost teh same way at least
20120403 23:33:11< anonymissimus> Version 9.0.30729.1 SP
20120403 23:33:22< anonymissimus> thats mine
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20120403 23:36:52< gabba> Aha, ok. Sounds like mine's not up-to-date, then - bad, bad Windows Update :P
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20120403 23:42:06< anonymissimus> but it's nice you that deal with a windows built environment :)
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20120403 23:53:43< Ayne> Crab_: I'm not sure I understand what you mean with your 3rd point. I am converting from string to boolean when writing ai_special to the state and from boolean to string when ai_special is read
20120403 23:56:13< Crab_> Ayne: previously, cfg["ai_special"] contained the value "guardian"
20120403 23:56:39< Crab_> Ayne: now (after patch), when a new unit is created from config, what would happen to ai_special="guardian" declaration?
20120403 23:57:58< Crab_> previously, it was set by ai_special_(cfg["ai_special"]), line in ctor init list. but what happens now?
20120403 23:59:19< Ayne> it would set the guardian state to true (or false, if cfg["ai_special"]=="")
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