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20120414 00:57:40< gabba> Hi all
20120414 00:58:22< dokem> is there a method called for SDL events?
20120414 00:58:27< dokem> if so where?
20120414 01:00:40< dokem> events.hpp/cpp looks promising
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20120414 01:18:01< dokem> who here knows GUI?
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20120414 01:19:14< shadowm> depends on the exact question.
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20120414 01:23:49< dokem> im trying to exec code on a window move/resize event
20120414 01:24:40< shadowm> I for one don't know about that aspect.
20120414 01:25:43< dokem> im working on a feature request to have the window remember its position after returning from fullscreen mode
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20120414 01:44:25< gabba> dokem: sounds like you're gonna have to deal with SDL. Maybe look at the code wesnoth executes to change resolution when it's resized in windowed mode.
20120414 01:45:18< shadowm> that would be in src/video.?pp IIRC
20120414 01:45:42< shadowm> but I don't think SDL provides a lot of possibilities for manipulating the window directly
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20120414 01:49:49-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: Wesnoth accepted in GSoC 2012 | http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas | 173 bugs, 329 feature requests, 15 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20120414 01:51:37< Ivanovic> hi everybody!
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20120414 01:52:38< shadowm> hello there, Ivanovic
20120414 01:52:53< Ivanovic> around now for a little more than an hour
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20120414 02:04:52< dokem> gabba: that is actually what ive been doing.
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20120414 03:11:21< CIA-69> ai0867 * r53924 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/wescamp.py: Make wescamp send all its logs to stdout, rather than some
20120414 03:11:24< CIA-69> ai0867 * r53925 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/wescamp.py: Remove some unneeded imports
20120414 03:11:28< CIA-69> ai0867 * r53926 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/libgithub.py: Have some logs make some more sense
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20120414 05:55:20< CIA-69> bloodycoin * r53928 /trunk/src/display.cpp: fix bug #19614, putting invalidations in right order
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20120414 06:06:26< Espreon> bloodycoin: If this truly works, you'll be my hero of the day.
20120414 06:07:51< bloodycoin> Works for me, if I accidentaly reintroduced something... Report, I will look again.
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20120414 06:10:28< bloodycoin> Off I go to sleep.
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20120414 07:49:49-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: Wesnoth accepted in GSoC 2012 | http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas | 173 bugs, 329 feature requests, 14 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20120414 07:58:56< boucman> morning all
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20120414 07:59:57< Espreon> Hello.
20120414 08:04:28< Akihara> morning :)
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20120414 08:10:22< shadowm> 3:10 in the morning indeed
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20120414 09:39:10< boucman> bloodycoin: fyi, when you fix a bug you should reassign it to yourself
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20120414 10:57:25< bloodycoin> boucman, ok, just didn't know if I should or shouldn't.
20120414 10:57:36< bloodycoin> and I updated application
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20120414 11:00:14< boucman> bloodycoin: so is it the application or the wiki I should read (I don't mind either way, but you don't need to update both)
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20120414 11:03:47< bloodycoin> boucman: I updated both, but wiki should look nicer ;)
20120414 11:03:54< boucman> ok
20120414 11:04:21< boucman> have you looked around the web for existing fomulas/effects ?
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20120414 11:10:04< bloodycoin> you mean effects for particles? Not really
20120414 11:10:23< boucman> could be interesting to look, though not a priority at this point
20120414 11:10:33< bloodycoin> But at least for ones I have written about I have an idea how to write formulas for them
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20120414 15:28:05< CIA-69> bloodycoin * r53929 /trunk/src/whiteboard/manager.cpp: Completing fix for #19486 - no more artifacts in planning mode when path end on other unit.
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20120414 16:31:09< fendrin> hi bloodycoin
20120414 16:31:20< bloodycoin> hey
20120414 16:31:26< fendrin> hi Akihara
20120414 16:31:40< fendrin> Akihara: I read your proposal, it's nice.
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20120414 16:33:02< fendrin> bloodycoin: Was your bug hunt successful?
20120414 16:33:54< bloodycoin> fendrin: looks like so, I commited changes. Doesn't look like I broke anything yet :)
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20120414 16:45:50< fendrin> wesbot: log revision 53928
20120414 16:45:50< wesbot> bloodycoin * r53928 : fix bug #19614, putting invalidations in right order
20120414 16:45:53< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=53928
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20120414 16:47:44< fendrin> bloodycoin: Looks good, thank you :-)
20120414 16:48:13< bloodycoin> No problem, I had :)
20120414 16:48:20< bloodycoin> *had fun
20120414 16:53:13< Akihara> fendrin: thanks! :) 
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20120414 18:24:52< neph> what are the average map sizes used in wesnoth?
20120414 18:25:56< Alarantalara> about 20-50 in each direction
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20120414 19:39:28< mordante> servus
20120414 19:41:10< Espreon> mordante: Ic grete þe.
20120414 19:41:16< mordante> hi Espreon 
20120414 19:46:02< mordante> trademark Crab_ regarding the std::map::count vs std::map::find IMO it would be best to pick the one really wanted
20120414 19:46:21< mordante> if the container type ever changes it won't become less efficient
20120414 19:46:33< mordante> also the case of using the least surprising interface
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20120414 20:08:43< mordante> Crab_ I use the pointer vector in several occasion, for an array of base classes
20120414 20:09:05< mordante> (and IIRC for some non-copyable items, which could be removed when making them movable)
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20120414 20:32:26< mordante> seen ayne
20120414 20:32:35< mordante> wesbot, seen ayne
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20120414 20:34:48< mordante> fendrin, have you seen this patch? https://gna.org/patch/?3252
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20120414 20:38:41< fendrin> mordante: No, not yet
20120414 20:39:12< mordante> just assigned it to you
20120414 20:39:16< fendrin> mordante: Seems clean, I can take care of it.
20120414 20:39:19< fendrin> okay
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20120414 20:40:01< fendrin> mordante: But it isn't complete. At least the tooltips need to be adjusted as well to hint the player about the feature.
20120414 20:40:38< mordante> fendrin, that's why I assigned it to you ;-)
20120414 20:40:51< mordante> it's a gsoc student so I like to look at their code
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20120414 20:49:07< alink> hi
20120414 20:49:09< mordante> hi alink, has been a while
20120414 20:49:30< alink> hello mordante, yes I know, sorry about that
20120414 20:49:39< mordante> no need to be sorry
20120414 20:49:45< mordante> but good to see you again
20120414 20:50:05< alink> idem
20120414 20:50:22< alink> everything going well?
20120414 20:51:10< alink> does GSoC already started ?
20120414 20:51:26< mordante> doing fine you too?
20120414 20:51:47< mordante> the application period has just finished, we now have to make our selection
20120414 20:52:04< alink> and good candidates?
20120414 20:52:20< mordante> of course ;-)
20120414 20:52:22< alink> (I am well a bit busy)
20120414 20:52:24< alink> hehe
20120414 20:52:34< mordante> better join #wesnoth-mentor
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20120414 20:54:04< neph> What would be the time limit that devs would allow me to have for AI moves?
20120414 20:54:32< neph> did some investigation, seems some  of my crazy ideas have quite some complexity going on
20120414 20:56:10< mordante> neph, what do you exactly mean with that question?
20120414 20:57:23< neph> mordante, well, I have an idea how to improve the AI, but the solution will have large complexity and run-time. I wonder how much time would the dev crew allow me to waste on AI thinking
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20120414 20:57:33< anonymissimus> fendrin: btw, have you seen http://gna.org/bugs/?19642
20120414 20:58:08< anonymissimus> supposedly caused by your map changes
20120414 20:58:10< mordante> neph, ok just wanted to be sure it's about run-time overhead
20120414 20:58:14-!- neph is now known as Nephro
20120414 20:58:26 * anonymissimus doesn't know even know what this map_generation=default relates to ;)
20120414 20:59:03< fendrin> anonymissimus: Yeah, please assign to me.
20120414 20:59:11< mordante> I guess a random map, like getting the SoF in HttT
20120414 20:59:31< mordante> Nephro, do you already have timing or is it a gut feeling
20120414 21:00:11< fendrin> mordante: SoF in HttT was tested by me at some point. Good chances that it still works.
20120414 21:00:25< anonymissimus> ah its the random map generator for surface maps it seems...in mainline and my addon it's only cave so we didnt notice that
20120414 21:00:38< Nephro> mordante, well, one of several stages will have no less than O(n^2logn) complexity, where n is the number of tiles on the map
20120414 21:00:51< Nephro> so, the gut feeling is quite strong yes
20120414 21:00:57< mordante> fendrin, ok, of course HttT uses a cavemap and this looks like the default generator
20120414 21:02:29< mordante> but are the calculations in that algorithm expensive? (humans are rather bad at guessing where slowness will arise)
20120414 21:02:40< anonymissimus> the cave generating still works, I tested my scenario shortly after the changes
20120414 21:02:52< Nephro> mordante, yes, it's quite heavy stuff
20120414 21:02:52< anonymissimus> fendrin: done
20120414 21:02:54< Ivanovic> hi everybody!
20120414 21:02:59< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20120414 21:03:05< alink> hello Ivanovic
20120414 21:03:10< Ivanovic> currently sitting outside in the hotel, close to the still closed pool
20120414 21:03:55< mordante> Nephro, then it sounds bad, but of course we'll only know after you implemented it
20120414 21:04:09< mordante> will it be a mandatory or optional step
20120414 21:04:12< Ivanovic> so, what have i missed over the last days?
20120414 21:04:32< Nephro> mordante, that isn't part of my project, that's something I want to do for myself, to have fun, you know :)
20120414 21:04:52< mordante> if you want to have fun I'd say do it 
20120414 21:05:09< mordante> if it's really too slow we can remove it, if not we can use it
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20120414 21:05:27< mordante> and if it gets too slow in the Pandora I've something to do again
20120414 21:05:57< Nephro> mordante, it will be a component, so it will not affect the current AI in any way
20120414 21:06:06< Nephro> unless we decide to wire it to mainline
20120414 21:06:06< mordante> Ivanovic, just found time to test and it seems my Pandora glitches were caused by the old qemu, now works properly for me
20120414 21:06:23< mordante> Nephro, well if it's fun then go for it
20120414 21:06:24< Ivanovic> mordante: okay, good to know
20120414 21:06:38< Ivanovic> mordante: so you can now use qemu for some (very basic!) testing, too?
20120414 21:06:43< mordante> Ivanovic, only still no idea why my memcopy doesn't work
20120414 21:06:58< alink> Nephro O(n^2logn) is not that bad when n~100. Really depends how often you call and heavy the inside step is
20120414 21:07:08< mordante> Ivanovic, yes I also had no working mouse, but that was the famous SDL but, patches locally
20120414 21:07:10< Ivanovic> mordante: have you chatted a little with notaz about how this is supposed to work?
20120414 21:07:27< mordante> Ivanovic, not yet, haven't been around the last few days
20120414 21:07:35< Ivanovic> mordante: ah, okay
20120414 21:07:36< alink> ah sorry n~100*100 :(
20120414 21:07:52< Ivanovic> i'll probably only be around for a little more than one hour now, too
20120414 21:08:05< mordante> ok
20120414 21:08:14< Ivanovic> then i'll bring a coworker to the airport so that he can get back to germany again
20120414 21:08:42< Ivanovic> i'll be leaving for germany on tuesday, though i won't have full access to my normal systems until late friday
20120414 21:09:10< mordante> ok
20120414 21:09:48< Ivanovic> but at least i'll be on more sane hours (plus addittional jetlag) from sometime around lunchtime on wednesday onwards
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20120414 21:28:48< mordante> seen dokem
20120414 21:28:55< mordante> wesbot, seen dokem
20120414 21:28:55< wesbot> mordante: The person with the nick dokem last spoke 19h 24m ago.  7h 34m ago they left with the message: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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20120414 21:38:10< matthiaskrgr> mordante: how do I access the patch?
20120414 21:38:33< matthiaskrgr> http://gna.org/bugs/?19626
20120414 21:43:11< mordante> matthiaskrgr, reload the bug report
20120414 21:44:00< matthiaskrgr> http://gna.org/patch/download.php?file_id=15553 ? 
20120414 21:44:32< mordante> yup
20120414 21:45:24< mordante> matthiaskrgr, the bug didn't contain much information regarding how to reproduce it, could you test whether it fixes the issue
20120414 21:45:53< mordante> the patch itself is an improvement regardless whether or not it fixes the bug
20120414 21:46:18< matthiaskrgr> well, it just crashed as I resized the window, I'm not sure what else is more to say about this, but testing it, yeah
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20120414 22:00:16< matthiaskrgr> still crashes
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20120414 22:03:08< mordante> matthiaskrgr, ok could you add that information to the patch/bug report?
20120414 22:03:30< matthiaskrgr> yeah
20120414 22:03:41< mordante> thanks
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20120414 22:10:59< mordante> I'm off night
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20120414 22:13:05< Nephro> alink, well, yeah, the algorithm is about splitting the map into regions. The only one I found that seems appropriate is O(n^2logn). After the map splitting there is still much work to do
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20120414 22:13:42< alink> is it for AI?
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20120414 22:15:28< Nephro> alink, yes
20120414 22:15:42< alink> if those regions only depends of terrain, doing it only once and cache it could be ok
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20120414 22:16:08< Nephro> alink, no, that needs to be done like at least at the beginning of every move
20120414 22:16:51< Nephro> turn that is
20120414 22:17:08< Nephro> but we can skip turns, meaning, the split will happen and hold for three turns
20120414 22:17:31< alink> and maybe you can cache some intermediate info
20120414 22:19:07< alink> I would suggest time an heavy case. Unless you go beyond several seconds, that seems ok to do once in every turns 
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20120414 22:20:36< Alarantalara> Especially test the last scenario of Northern Rebirth: 6 AI, a large map and it's already among the most time consuming for the AI
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20120414 22:20:53< teugon> does anybody know if Crab_: is gonna come online ? 
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20120414 22:21:22< alink> Alarantalara: I think he said the cost was about map size not unit numbers
20120414 22:21:53< Alarantalara> alink: I know, but there are 6 AI there and the map is large as well
20120414 22:22:14< Nephro> Alarantalara, all my ideas are for new components(stages, ca's), so, basically, for very large maps, we can choose not to have these heavy stages... I am not planning to modify the existing AI (yet)
20120414 22:22:15< alink> ah yes indeed the number of side is probably relevant
20120414 22:23:26< Nephro> actually, I've got an idea of how to solve the time consumption problem
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20120414 22:25:00< Nephro> boucman, gabba, Ivanovic, do you think adding a link to an idea/prototype page that isn't really part of my applied project to the my wiki would benefit my application or should I work more on something more specific to my project during the last couple of selection days?
20120414 22:25:28< Ivanovic> Nephro: sorry, no idea, really
20120414 22:25:57< Ivanovic> i am not this involved in gsoc this year due to me being busy with work (eg currently on a business trip to denver)
20120414 22:28:23< alink> I am also not mentor, but in general real code (even just a working prototype) is always better than vague idea
20120414 22:43:44< Ivanovic> off now, cu
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20120414 22:51:21< shadowm> alink: hi there
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20120414 22:57:13< teugon> can u help me with this type: "unit_map::const_iterator"
20120414 22:57:49< teugon> it's 1 hour I'm trying to understand where to find its methods..
20120414 22:58:34< shadowm> teugon: what would you need its methods for? are you familiarized with how the iterator concept is used in C++?
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20120414 23:00:57< teugon> I'm as familiar as someone who have never used them and just read a manual about them. however I need it cose I have done this 	unit_map::const_iterator isUnit = resources::units->find(to); which should give me the unit in the given location, however I would like to find which is the unit's class in the hope the exstract the side from it.
20120414 23:01:48< teugon> *errata, I get the units after this: 	const unit* isMyUnit = &*isUnit;
20120414 23:03:10< shadowm> okay, firstly, dereferencing a valid iterator (i.e. that points to a valid object instance) should get you a reference to the object it points to; this is just what should be expected given that iterators are a generalization of pointers
20120414 23:03:51< shadowm> now I don't remember how unit_map works, but all things to do with it are declared or defined in src/unit_map.?pp. If it's to honor its type name, I'd expect a unit_map iterator to point to a value pair of some sort.
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20120414 23:06:16< shadowm> but from existing usage it appears the iterators point to unit class instances directly
20120414 23:06:39< teugon> shadowm: I just found out my way, I had the side as formal param and I wasn't giving him a shit..
20120414 23:06:57< shadowm> okay
20120414 23:07:35< shadowm> also, that line you suggested above ('const unit* isMyUnit = &*isUnit) is terrible practice
20120414 23:08:36< shadowm> firstly, no matter whether isUnit is a valid or invalid iterator, odds are you won't be able to detect that by checking whether the address of the object it points to is NULL (it will most likely not be, even if it's invalid)
20120414 23:09:04< teugon> I supposed that too, anyhow I've just copied, I should take up the manual to really understand &*[variable]
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20120414 23:10:15< shadowm> there are very specific instances in which that seemingly redundant trick can be useful (IIRC to work around type restrictions in the iostream classes), but in most situations all it does is retrieve the original variable in a roundabout way.
20120414 23:10:28< teugon> shadowm: can you be more accurate about it is a terrible practice? 
20120414 23:11:04< shadowm> let me try to write a more generic example first
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20120414 23:15:06< shadowm> teugon: As I was saying, there are very specific instances where given T* foo,  &*foo  is useful at all, and they don't really concern us here.
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20120414 23:15:37< shadowm> Assuming the find() method you got there adheres to standard practices for writing container classes in C++, it will return a specific value when the requested item couldn't be found.
20120414 23:16:20< shadowm> That value will be the same return value of the end() method of the same class (also an iterator, but pointing to the "element" after the end of the container, i.e. not a valid iterator)
20120414 23:16:36< teugon> then I suppose I can just discard that ugliness.
20120414 23:17:13< shadowm> The thing is, you can't really do anything useful with the address of the element pointed to by the end iterator.
20120414 23:18:01< shadowm> &*foo, if foo is of type T* (a pointer to T), simply dereferences foo and then takes its address, which is to say, the original pointer. These are iterators, but the principle is more or less the same.
20120414 23:18:50< shadowm> In the best case, though, if you are sure you couldn't possibly have obtained the end iterator as isUnit above, then you are also certain you will never get a NULL pointer.
20120414 23:19:26< shadowm> When we are sure we won't be using NULL pointers for anything, we use references (a C++ idiom, if you are coming from C) instead.
20120414 23:19:46< shadowm> This is also mentioned in here: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CodingStandards#Use_references_when_a_value_may_not_be_NULL
20120414 23:19:59< teugon> shadowm: sure I read it
20120414 23:20:53< shadowm> Now if the find() method could have failed to access the item you wanted, then it will retrieve the end iterator and you will need to check for that to ensure nothing strange occurs at runtime as a result: https://pastebin.com/s23T6FaQ
20120414 23:21:44< shadowm> That's a generic example using a STL map instead of the custom unit_map class, but the mechanisms involved should be quite similar.
20120414 23:21:53< teugon> I suppose that it is a sure pointer to an object for the code I borrowed it from first to do that thing did a control of this kind"	if (isUnit==resources::units->end()){" on true it is an E_NOT_UNIT error
20120414 23:22:54< shadowm> Yeah, I suppose so if there are no possibilities resources::units could have changed in the meantime.
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20120414 23:25:15< shadowm> So the proper construct above would have been   const unit& isMyUnit = *isUnit
20120414 23:25:47< shadowm> That gets rid of the extra indirection layer by dereferencing the iterator (which for this purpose can be seen as a pointer).
20120414 23:27:23< shadowm> Of course, some people like -> over . for some reason, but it's always better to use the most accurate tool for the job; using references over pointers can help avoid mistakes regarding pointer validity.
20120414 23:28:45< shadowm> Then again, since iterators do behave like pointers for the most common tasks, the -> operator in them is supposed to behave accordingly too, so it becomes more of a matter of personal preference.
20120414 23:30:36< shadowm> alink: do you still receive emails from gna.org? :)
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20120414 23:35:09< teugon> shadowm: thanks, for the explanations. However it seems I can bother you more so here it is.  can you have a look at this? http://pastebin.com/zzbtdcdG
20120414 23:35:16< teugon> *errata http://pastebin.com/rLyX2E27
20120414 23:37:31< teugon> I have developed the ai goto_function using the move_result_ptr as retvalue, however in case of error I don't know how to return an appropriate error for I cannot just create a move_result and set it's error_code, neither I can return null...
20120414 23:38:09< teugon> I'm feared to have to subclass the move_result or the action_result...
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20120414 23:47:29< shadowm> teugon: unfortunately, I don't know the AI code at all, so no idea what diagnostic mechanisms are available there or what is current practice for handling unexpected situations
20120414 23:48:34< shadowm> although surely there's existing code on which you can base your design
20120414 23:49:27< shadowm> i.e. in other modules it isn't uncommon to find code that throws an exception rather than returning to its caller by normal means if something unexpected happens
20120414 23:52:25< shadowm> that of course varies from module to module; for example, all WML actions implemented in C++ are supposed to report the issue and quit the current operation gracefully except in very specific circumstances, but the rendering backend tends to take more extreme decisions, either aborting the game immediately or patching things up and emitting warnings
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20120414 23:54:48< shadowm> I suppose the AI code prefers graceful error handling since the state of the game can be altered very often during an AI turn by WML events
20120414 23:57:28< CIA-69> alarantalara * r53930 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/03_Stirring_in_the_Night.cfg: apply changes from Eftboren to scenario 3
20120414 23:57:46< teugon> I suppose I have to wait Crab_
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